The Brotherhood.

[René]

I want to know what happend to the Brotherhood. Whos in charge now? What happend to Juggernut? I hope that the new writer after Singer will bring them back. I mean now that Quicksilver and Scarelt Witch have joined the Ultimates how will the rest of the Brotherhood react to that?

[Ice]

1.) Most of the Brotherhood are under arrest. By who, don't know.

2.) Juggy's off somewhere. He hasn't been mentioned since the Return to Weapon X" arc (issues #7-12).

3.) If and when the other Brotherhood members get out from where ever they are, they'll most likely be pissed, and continue on with whatever plans they have.

4.) I doubt Singer'll bring them back. I still say that he's most likely will do something with the Phoenix.

[E]

Ultimate Juggernaut's costume was one of the better Ultimate versions.

[Goodwill]

I would agree with you, UltimateE.

The Brotherhood is under SHIELD/gov't property now. They said so in Ultimate Six.

[René]

Well wouldnt some other wannabes want to try to make a name for themselves and try to call themselves the new Brotherhood. I mean some of them had to escape when the Trisklion was shut down when Electro over charged it. I really want to see Toad back.

[Blacksword]

Like any terrorist group it'll reform, just like it did numerous times in 616 with different members.

Personally I found Juggernaut in Ultimate to be a bit of a disappointment. His link to Charles in 616 was one of the few things that kept him from being yet another generic super strong guy. Withou that he doesn't have much as a character. And I doubt this Juggernaut got his powers from a ruby. A poor character element but it was something that made him unique.

[Bludd_Rush]

Actually, Ice, Juggernaut was seen in Ultimate War #1 as one of the terrorists who blew up the Brooklyn Bridge. Well, I think he was, and I can't be arsed going to check.
I agree with Blacksword about him being wasted under Millar's pen in Ultimate, but he did this with many characters. I mean, would you have had any idea what to make of The Scarlet Witch in the first UXM arc if you weren't familiar with the characters from 616? The only think he showed Wanda doing was flying (which she isn't meant to be able to do), and firing "hex bolts". Sabretooth was introduced as a character with a past connected to Wolverine just for the sake of imitating 616.
At least he didn't call them "The Brotherhood of EVIL Mutants"..

[ProjectX2]

Yes, Juggernaut was part of the team in Ult. War #1 which also consisted of: Toad, ROGUE, mASTERMIND, hARDDRIVE AND vANISHER.

[Ice]

EIther way, it's been like 2 years since we seen Juggy.

[Goodwill]

Correct. The Brotherhood's recognizable characters are: Rogue, Toad, Sabertooth, Mastermind, Juggernaut, Forge, Multiple Man, Blob, Vanisher, Unus and Harddrive. Some of the characters were only seen in a few panels, others made multiple appearances, even then that's a broad thing to say.

[Ice]

You know wha I think would be cool? If the Brotherhood comes back with Exodus leading, like he did in the current arc of X-Men. That be a nice way to ultimize him, no?

[Goodwill]

Nope. I wouldn't like that for the reason you want him there. He's leading the Brotherhood in X-Men right now... It would get tired, really, especially because he's not a very strong character. He's a religious zealot, that's as far as he goes.

[Caduceus]

Exodus functions better as a solo character. He is just too powerful to be leading a team- there isn't any need for them when you have him. I

[Goodwill]

Absolutely. Exodus should be one of the Four Horsemen of Apocolypse, if included in any sort of team at all. That way he wouldn't have to be with a team, he'd just be affiliated, do you see what I mean?

[Caduceus]

Exactly. Its a perfect spot for him

[Goodwill]

:) I know. I was going to work him into that role in a fan fic that I was going to write, however, that fell through!

Other characters that could fit into the Horseman would be Juggernaut, Phoenix, or even Toad. That would give him an oppurtunity to grow more powerfully and gain a whole lot more respect. I wouldn't mind seeing that at all.

[E]

I would like to see them not bother with the Horsemen. In a line that is supposed to be getting back to more realistic storylines, the Horsemen is one that they can definitely leave behind. Apocolypse was dealt with masterfully by Vaughan; it would be nice to see him left alone.

But this is about the Brotherhood, so lets get back to that.

[Ice]

I see your point GW. Either way, I would still like to see Exodus make an appearance in UXM. But even though this line is supposed to be more "realistic", how realistic can you really get with characters and stories that wouldn't really happen? So what's wrong with having the horsemen?

[E]

I see your point GW. Either way, I would still like to see Exodus make an appearance in UXM. But even though this line is supposed to be more "realistic", how realistic can you really get with characters and stories that wouldn't really happen? So what's wrong with having the horsemen?

You're misapplying what I'm saying. Of course they wouldnt really happen - no 15 year old kid is going to get spider powers from a spider bite. No man is going to be able to make a formula that makes him 60 feet tall. But it's realistic in the sense that it's real people dealing with real problems. A 5,000 year old mutant giving weird powers to people? Doesn't fit.

Veering off topic for just a moment, this is the main problem I had with the first Ult. Fantastic 4 story. The monster coming up out of the street was out of place. It was written OK, but it just didn't fit with what had already happened in the book.

OK, back to the Brotherhood.

[Goodwill]

I'm not saying that Apocolypse has to give the Horseman their powers this time. They could be prophets and preach to the world that their master, Lord Apocolypse, is making his reappearance. It would be feasible in the Ultimate Universe after something like the Phoenix.

About the Brotherhood... I'd love to see them coming around again. I think they were terribly underlooked. I mean, for goodness sake they were just there to show that Magneto's influence was strong! I would like to see them act on their own and shake things up, that would be the most interesting thing to see out of a group like that. There should be a set number of characters in the group and that roster should stay around for a while, if only for continuity's sake.

[Ice]

Maybe they can do that by giving them their own story arc.

[Goodwill]

That's what I'm asking for, really. I would like to see the Brotherhood have more of an opinion than echoing whatever Magneto had to say. They have to, personally, have a voice about what their doing... Whether it's just or not, I'd like to hear it.

[E]

But the reason for their existance is to support Magneto. They are tools in the worst way.

[Goodwill]

Right... That's why I want to see a Brotherhood that isn't. Possibly led by Mystique, these mutants could do some serious damage thinking for themselves.

[Caduceus]

I wouldn't expect Mystique to pop up anytime soon- Bendis is loving the cat-thing to much. You know he sits in an office somewhere gloating about the an anguish- is it mystique, it is just a cat, is it mystique trapped as a cat etc.

[Goodwill]

It wasn't Bendis that said that, it was Millar, who doesn't have the right to hold out on us like that. Even if Bendis was in charge, he couldn't do that, either.

[Ice]

I say I like the idea of Mystique leading a new Brotherhood. We've seen this before and it would be hot to see it. I mean, everyone knows how psycho she can act. Not as much as Magneto, but enough to do crazy things with the Brotherhood.

(*Not saying you have to be crazy to lead the Brotherhood or whatever).

[Goodwill]

Absolutely. Mystique is really a character that can be put in a position like Magneto, where you're a leader as well as a villain all to yourself or just a simple merc. Either way, she proves to be a kick-ass character that is sure to shake things up.

[Caduceus]

I'd rather see Mystique in the same kind of role in her own series- i.e. working on her own with only a small number of characters to be interacting with. Not necessarily as an agent of Xavier's (although its a possibility) but as some kind of intelligence worker. She can be a leader but I don't think she functions as a terrorist-style leader. If she is a leader, she should be more of a co-ordinator of activities or a leader of a spy-cell or something rather than blowing up buildings

[Goodwill]

You know that'll never happen in the Ultimate Universe. The titles are being kept to a minimum, you see?

[Ice]

I [think] he meant that if/when she appears, her 'role' should be something like in her own series...right?

[Goodwill]

I was under the impression that Mystique should get her own title and serve that same purpose there... Sorry.

[Caduceus]

No its as Ice said, it should be similar. It would be good to discover that Xavier has a Mutant Underground where he uses Mystique to rescue mutants. That would explain why Mystique is in the mansion and a lot of other things.

[Goodwill]

That would fit into Xavier's mysterious character, too... He has another mutant following aside from the X-Men. That could be very interesting to see.

[mutantfreak]

I think it would be cool to see Mystique as a vilain, not as a agent for Xavier. It could work if she had psiquic defenses and could change her smell, like in X-men Evolution. That way she would be able to do some real damage in the X-men, impersonating someone like Angel (who she could copy the power as well).

[Caduceus]

Its not impossible that she would be made to be able to copy powers. She could be capable of manipulation of at a cellular level.

I think this would make her too powerful a character though. smell and physical mutations would be ok but getting all powers would be too much

[Goodwill]

Mystique is a person that doesn't need all that power to be powerful, you know what I mean? You don't have to have the ability to not only change into someone, but have their powers, to give her a more potent role in the series. Her character should already bring something large enough to chew for the X-Men, regardless of what her powers are.

[longshotjimlee]

wow, it would be so kewl if we had a character that could copy another person's power and appearance, a sort of mystique mimic taskmaster.

[Goodwill]

We could have a character like that... Mimic. I'd like to see that, too.

[Caduceus]

I'd be careful about Mimic. Just....be careful

[Goodwill]

Do you not want him to change or are you afraid that he's too difficult a character to have around in the Ultimate Universe?

[René]

Going back to Mystique. What if she was an agent for Xavier but then she felt that Magneto had a better view of the world.

[Goodwill]

That may or may not work. It really would just be a waste if that was expected, don't you think?

[Caduceus]

To be honest, He can be a very annoying character in Exiles. But what always annoys me is that, if you have a character like Mimic, they should either always switch powers or rarely ever and get good at using them. A character like Mimic is a very hard character to write (see Exiles for some buggerups) and he needs a large number of mutants to feed off.

Back to Mystique, I would prefer her to sell out to someone else rather than Magneto. Having magneto and mystique seems like villain overkill

[Goodwill]

What do you mean if you have a characater like Mimic they should either always switch their powers or rarely ever ang get goot at using them?

Mystique should be a character all by herself. Like I said, by herself or leading a team, she is a formidable opponent for the X-Men and that alone would be entertaining enough.

[Ice]

Mystique should be a character all by herself. Like I said, by herself or leading a team, she is a formidable opponent for the X-Men and that alone would be entertaining enough.

That is true. She can be a huge pain in the neck wether she's alone or with someone. With her skills, it just as it's said above, she is a formidable opponent. It's basically why she can lead the Brotherhood when Magneto isn't around.

[Goodwill]

She could lead the Brotherhood and stray them from their beliefs and faith in Magneto... That would be an interesting take on the team and Mystique. It would not only split the Brotherhood from Magneto, but that would mean we would have a triangle of power. Xavier, Magneto, and Mystique... Interesting, huh?

[TheManWithoutFear]

I'd rather not see Mystique split the brotherhood but I think she should control them while magneto is away.