Wasp Question

[jtg3885]

I was reading the Ultimate Guide to the Hulk, and it had a page dedicated to Ultimate Hulk, with mentions of each of the Ultimates. It says Janet retreats to a larval nest when angry (I believe it was angry, but at any rate, there's a nest involved) and she lays insectoid eggs ever six weeks. Is there any mention of this in the comics, or is it one of those weird tidbits that the Marvel staff knows but never made it into print?

[Fredrik Martinsson]

The Ultimates v1 #6:
Hank to Janet (about Captain America):
"I wonder if he'd still have the hots for you if he saw you eating caterpillars and beetles or hiding in your little larval nest when all the mutant hysteria was going on a while back?"

"Do you think they'd all find you so special and pretty if they were waking up every six weeks to find eggs in their beds?
Because that's what I've got to live with, Jan! And your personal hygiene makes me sick to my stomach sometimes."

So, yes. It's in the story. Just not being showed (yet anyway).

[jtg3885]

Ah. This is why I need that hardcover to get here. It's being shipped at the speed of smell. It's cheapest that way, but damn does it take forever.

[Goodwill]

I think this is something Millar could've done without... I don't think that's what a mutant would really do with those types of powers.

[jtg3885]

I wanted confirmation because I want to use it in my fic. I personally wondered why nobody ever thought of that with Peter. He's got all kinds of beneficial stuff from spiders, why not come up with some kind of negative (or at least negative from our perspective) reaction to the spider bite?

[Goodwill]

Are we talking larval nest or something like Man-Spider, a biproduct of the bite in 616? Also, the spider that actually bit him turned into the Thousand, when a janitor (I think) actually ate it.

[jtg3885]

I was thinking odd eating or sleeping habits. Something everyday like Janet now has. Nest and eggs. *ponders* I wonder what I could do with that...

[Goodwill]

Well, I think that the spider bite has contributed enough, really. It's minor but Peter does have a certain instinct and strength. Yes, those are his powers, but that's what was of the spider bite.

You also have to consider that he's not a mutant like Jan is. This is apples and oranges, J.

[E]

I personally wondered why nobody ever thought of that with Peter.

Because to the average person, it would make him less identify-withable.

Cool, I just invented a word.

[Goodwill]

Eh, it's not fun anymore... You know, ever since Bush came along and suck the fun right OUT. ;)

[jtg3885]

*is busy picturing his Angel-esque female character laying eggs*

[Dr.Strangefate]

I think this is something Millar could've done without... I don't think that's what a mutant would really do with those types of powers.

In Morrison's New X-Men, a character named Angel has the exact same powers(except the Sting) and does go into Larval nests and everything.

[Caduceus]

She didn´t shrink though, she spat acid. She was half fly. Then she laid larval eggs and they hatched into useless Baby Beaks. Creepy it was.

[ourchair]

Because to the average person, it would make him less identify-withable.

Cool, I just invented a word.

Truth. No sense in trying to make Spider-Man weirder than necessary, especially if he's a flagship character reincarnated in a line marketed to casual readers. (Whether that effort has succeeded, is a different matter altogether.)

[jtg3885]

As long as we're all digging up long dead topics, I've been wondering. Does Wasp possess the natural ability to talk to bugs in the UU, which would have then spawned the Ant-Man project? Or is the idea of talking to bugs unique to Pym and his helmet in the UU?

[MaxwellSmart]

Because to the average person, it would make him less identify-withable.

Cool, I just invented a word.

Does it mean anything other than identifyable?

[jtg3885]

*blinks* Wow, way to miss the point...

Anyone? I've read the Ultimates HC cover to cover, and it would appear that the ants and other insects are Hank's thing. However, I don't read as many of the creator interviews as most of the people here do (mostly because I'm of the opinion that it's non canon until one of them gets up off their *** and writes it into a comic) so I may have missed something along the line.

[E]

Does it mean anything other than identifyable?

Totally different.

[Patriot Mk2]

Totally different.

How?

[E]

How?

You're asking the difference between identifying something and identifying with something?

[Patriot Mk2]

You're asking the difference between identifying something and identifying with something?

Identifiable-being able to relate to or discern the identity of any noun.

-The Dictionary. :D

[Seldes Katne]

As long as we're all digging up long dead topics, I've been wondering. Does Wasp possess the natural ability to talk to bugs in the UU, which would have then spawned the Ant-Man project? Or is the idea of talking to bugs unique to Pym and his helmet in the UU? I haven't seen any interviews, articles, or canon evidence that suggests Janet can talk to or otherwise communicate with insects or spiders or anything else of that kind. However, it seems plausible that her husband could have picked up his pheremonal communication idea from her -- if Jan has the insect-like characteristics of laying eggs and eating bugs (which must be just an occasional thing, or someone would have noticed long before now), she might have the (possibly latent) ability to communicate through pheremones. Perhaps this was an off-shoot of his experimenting with her DNA for his Giant Man project.

[E]

Identifiable-being able to relate to or discern the identity of any noun.

-The Dictionary. :D

I doubt I will find a definition for a phrase like "identify with", so let's put it this way: "recognizing" and "relating" - two different things.

[ourchair]

However, it seems plausible that her husband could have picked up his pheremonal communication idea from her -- if Jan has the insect-like characteristics of laying eggs and eating bugs (which must be just an occasional thing, or someone would have noticed long before now), she might have the (possibly latent) ability to communicate through pheremones. Perhaps this was an off-shoot of his experimenting with her DNA for his Giant Man project.
Janet certainly seems to imply in their fight that both the pheromonal communication technology and the heightbased powers are derived from her. But that's IMPLICIT merely because of the way she says, "Let's see how many powers you can make that don't involve shrinking and growing and talking to insects through a helmet, you jackass!" (I'm paraphrasing.)

I think an interesting way to explain the pheromonal technology but her apparent lack of "insect talking" powers is to hypothesize that maybe Janet's body is also designed with pheromonal communication, but only so she can communicate with her potential young.

Meaning her body has the ability to talk to mutant bug-men and women that she would eventually give birth to. So even though she doesn't talk to insects, its possible that Hank took that aspect of her biochemistry and reengineered it to work on plain bugs.

[Patriot Mk2]

I doubt I will find a definition for a phrase like "identify with", so let's put it this way: "recognizing" and "relating" - two different things.

Ah....now that I can identify with.

[Ultimate Houde]

That's good, I'd hate to see what you would do if you didn't

[E]

Ah....now that I can identify with.

I'm glad you finally recognize what I'm trying to relate to you.

[Pietro]

Who farted?

[Patriot Mk2]

I'm glad you finally recognize what I'm trying to relate to you.

Touche :wink:

[jtg3885]

Janet certainly seems to imply in their fight that both the pheromonal communication technology and the heightbased powers are derived from her. But that's IMPLICIT merely because of the way she says, "Let's see how many powers you can make that don't involve shrinking and growing and talking to insects through a helmet, you jackass!" (I'm paraphrasing.)

I think an interesting way to explain the pheromonal technology but her apparent lack of "insect talking" powers is to hypothesize that maybe Janet's body is also designed with pheromonal communication, but only so she can communicate with her potential young.

Meaning her body has the ability to talk to mutant bug-men and women that she would eventually give birth to. So even though she doesn't talk to insects, its possible that Hank took that aspect of her biochemistry and reengineered it to work on plain bugs.
Hmmm. Interesting take. That would actually be a cool thing, but I doubt Ult. Jan would ever get knocked up. Pity.

[Patriot Mk2]

Meaning her body has the ability to talk to mutant bug-men and women that she would eventually give birth to. So even though she doesn't talk to insects, its possible that Hank took that aspect of her biochemistry and reengineered it to work on plain bugs.

And they sent her to fix up Spider-Man.

[jtg3885]

And they sent her to fix up Spider-Man.
I hadn't even thought of that potential pairing. Might be an interesting avenue for someone to explore... Janet might be unconsciously drawn to him for reasons she doesn't quite understand. Even with the age and maturity difference. Might be fun, especially when you factor in the Cap and Black Cat...

[Patriot Mk2]

I hadn't even thought of that potential pairing. Might be an interesting avenue for someone to explore... Janet might be unconsciously drawn to him for reasons she doesn't quite understand. Even with the age and maturity difference. Might be fun, especially when you factor in the Cap and Black Cat...

Cap kickin' the crap through Spidey while Black Cat has the Ultimate ***** Fight Version Two. It'l never happen,but there should be a book(think a more liberal What If?) where fun stories like that could be done.....

[jtg3885]

I was hoping to inspire a fanfic author.

Might get Skotti on a faux cover for that issue of Ultimate What If? though... ;)