Hobgoblin Primer

[Friday]

Well, since we've got the Ultimate HobGoblin just over the horizion I though we should take a look back, so I found an article series by J.R. Fettinger on just what happened with the 616 incarnation of Hobby, where it got screwed up, and why he coulda been a contender.

http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/SquanderedLegacy/SquanderedLegacyTitle.html

Now let's hope that the best bits are pulled and that the rest is just dropped. A proper Ultimitzation.

[Goodwill]

I think that's some pretty interesting stuff... Good going!

[The Captain]

you will hear from me once the first issue comes out...i doubt it will show hobby in action...but who he is will be shown from the jump!!!

[Goodwill]

I wouldn't be so sure about that, either. Bendis tends to like to build things up first; that's why we consistantly have five-six issue arcs all of the time.

[The Captain]

I wouldn't be so sure about that, either. Bendis tends to like to build things up first; that's why we consistantly have five-six issue arcs all of the time.

what you are saying is true...but i really dont expect to see the story progress without the antagonist at least making a cameo during the issue.

[Friday]

I really want there to be a mystery here. The only real problem I've had with Ultimate Spider-man so far is that villian wise we've been coddled a bit. Pretty much everything laid out and with some extremly final endings, not allowing for retuns. I mean face it, we're not seeing Ultimate Doc Ock, The Lizard, or even Norman Osborn again soon. Short of Venom, The Kingpin, and Black Cat most of them were run though. I'd like to see a little more long term action out of someone, and with The Hobgoblins 616 past he'd be a perfect choice.

[Goodwill]

I think you're partially right, Baxter. I do want to see some long term villainy here; I don't want Hob thrown away by arc's end... That's writing the title and the characters that are most interesting to read about (The villains) into a corner. There needs to be more to them than just an attempt at revenge gone awry.

Also, about the mystery, I don't think the time's right for one of those... The story, as I am concerned, is already pretty straightforward through thet solicitations. We shall see, though, it's not like I haven't been surprised before.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I think you're partially right, Baxter. I do want to see some long term villainy here; I don't want Hob thrown away by arc's end... That's writing the title and the characters that are most interesting to read about (The villains) into a corner. There needs to be more to them than just an attempt at revenge gone awry.

We already have the Green Goblin for long term villainy... I think it'd mean so much more if Harry was the Hobgoblin and died by arcs end...


Also, about the mystery, I don't think the time's right for one of those... The story, as I am concerned, is already pretty straightforward through thet solicitations. We shall see, though, it's not like I haven't been surprised before.

Agreed

[Friday]

But the Green Goblin is frozen, in a SHEILD facility, that I'm sure has even tighter security than the Triskelion does anymore. They don't want him getting out and it'll be near impossible for a breakout to occur. The only character taht would be more than likely able to get him out would be Venom or Carnage, and they've got no connection to osborn to want him out. Anything doen in that respect would be just bad writting.

[Caduceus]

But the Green Goblin is frozen, in a SHEILD facility, that I'm sure has even tighter security than the Triskelion does anymore. They don't want him getting out and it'll be near impossible for a breakout to occur.

Except for stuff like Ultimate Six. He wasn't too securely confined, even if he wasn't free. So...I wouldn't write him off entirely just yet but I agree that SHIELD should keep control of him. I just wouldn't be so certain it will happen.

The solicits seem to me that Hobgoblin is going to die. But I just hope this story deserves to be told. Bring back the good Ultimate Spidey!

[Friday]

Except for stuff like Ultimate Six. He wasn't too securely confined, even if he wasn't free. So...I wouldn't write him off entirely just yet but I agree that SHIELD should keep control of him. I just wouldn't be so certain it will happen.

The events of Ultimate Six are exactly why I think that he's under such an increased level of security now, even in a frozen state. The man's more dangerous politicaly than Magneto for gods sake.

[Bludd_Rush]

It wouldn't be too hard to bring The Green Goblin back (eventually, not soon). We don't know everything that Osborn was working on, or everything that he knew. It could come the time when SHIELD is forced with the decision to de-freeze Osborn to get information. Some kind of serious threat could arise, and they could discover or realise that Osborn's the only one with information who could help them. I'm not going to try and write the story here, but that's not too implausible. That would get him out of the cryogenic suspension thing, and that makes it easier to write him escaping.

[Friday]

<Norman> I can smell you Fury.....

[TheManWithoutFear]

It wouldn't be too hard to bring The Green Goblin back (eventually, not soon). We don't know everything that Osborn was working on, or everything that he knew. It could come the time when SHIELD is forced with the decision to de-freeze Osborn to get information. Some kind of serious threat could arise, and they could discover or realise that Osborn's the only one with information who could help them. I'm not going to try and write the story here, but that's not too implausible. That would get him out of the cryogenic suspension thing, and that makes it easier to write him escaping.

Some kind of serious threat? You mean like his son going all goblin on everyone?

[Caduceus]

Nah something big time. The Ultimates didn't step in for the Original Goblin, only normal SHIELD agents. So why on earth would they send them in for Hobgoblin, especially when they are in the middle of their Thor-Related crisis.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Nah something big time. The Ultimates didn't step in for the Original Goblin, only normal SHIELD agents. So why on earth would they send them in for Hobgoblin, especially when they are in the middle of their Thor-Related crisis.

I'm not a chronology expert are they in the middle of their Thor crisis? and after the damage one Goblin has done, two would be kinda scary.

[Caduceus]

Hmmm...I still don't think SHIELD would need to be or would be involved.

[Goodwill]

I think they really should be involved, though... Afterall, Harry SHOULD be holding grudges against the Ultimates, too. To blame only Spider-Man would be a stunt...

[TheManWithoutFear]

I think they really should be involved, though... Afterall, Harry SHOULD be holding grudges against the Ultimates, too. To blame only Spider-Man would be a stunt...

Didn't he say he was going to kill every single one of them...

[Goodwill]

Yep... And, really, if he's out for revenge he should go for Iron Man. Spider-Man really had little to do with that.

[fantomex]

so are they saying that harry's going only after peter. because of what happened to his dad. I was re-reading ultimate six and at the end harry says
"all of you"-"i'll kill of you for this" he was talking everyone that was at the scene the ultimates and peter where there.

[Friday]

Nah something big time. The Ultimates didn't step in for the Original Goblin, only normal SHIELD agents. So why on earth would they send them in for Hobgoblin, especially when they are in the middle of their Thor-Related crisis.

Nick Fury, all time head honcho of the Ultimates was handeling that one perosnaly, and given the slower build of Spider-Man compaired to that of X-Men or The Ultiamtes there's no real way to tell if The Ultimates had been formed just then, or if Fury had only just ascended to head of SHIELD. If I remember correctly he wasn't a General in that arc.

[Bludd_Rush]

But wasn't the Triskellion established in that arc? Even referring to it as headquarters of The Ultimates? Yep, issue 26. Or 25. One of them, anyway. I think the whole Colonel/General thing was just some of the confusion when two writers are using the same character at the same time.

As for the threat that they would need The Green Goblin, I wasn't thinking about Hobby or a single villain. MWOF, are you expecting Norman to show up in the upcoming arc (outside of possible flashbacks)? I'm expecting it to be all Hobby.

Norman has strong ties to the Government, from having been hired to work on the Super Soldier program, and also that he knows someone within the White House and was able to get a telephone call straight through without problems. A threat could arise within the government itself, that only Osborn would be able to provide information for. I dunno, like I said I'm not gonna try and write it. It's about the only way I can see Osborn realistically escaping when he's cryogenically frozen.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I would definitely like to see Norman Osborne appear and play a huge part in this arc.

[René]

I would love to see the Goblin be brought back. But how would he brought back? He was frozen in Ultimate 6. The only way I see Norman being used in this arc is as flash backs. Unless Harry finds a way to bring Norman back.

[Goodwill]

SHIELD could use Norman like they did Harry, you know...? I think what they were trying to do is bring them together, anyway, so it could be an option, right?

[René]

SHIELD could use Norman like they did Harry, you know...? I think what they were trying to do is bring them together, anyway, so it could be an option, right?

I hope you are right.

[Goodwill]

Me too... It would be the easiest and most legitimate way to bring Norman back... That is, if Harry really is convinced that his father is dead.

[The Captain]

so the issue is scheduled for wed (#72) and the solicits for april have 2 issues slated for release, we have the cover for 75...but where is 76????

[Goodwill]

There hasn't been a cover released for 76, which is probably why you're tripping up. I'm pretty sure that it is going to be released the same month as 75.

[Ice]

The best place to check is on midtowncomics.com. They'll put it up the Saturday before it's scheduled release date. That is, if they recieve it, which they always do.

[Goodwill]

What are you talking about, the covers? That's pretty damn sexy the way that works...

[Ice]

What are you talking about, the covers? That's pretty damn sexy the way that works...
Yes, the covers. Since a lot of comic shops get one copy of the comics that'll come out the following week a head of time, I guess they scan it in.

[Goodwill]

Yeah, that's probably the way to do it. ;) Hopefully, though, the cover doesn't give anything away!

[cmdrjanjalani]

I really want there to be a mystery here. The only real problem I've had with Ultimate Spider-man so far is that villian wise we've been coddled a bit. Pretty much everything laid out and with some extremly final endings, not allowing for retuns. I mean face it, we're not seeing Ultimate Doc Ock, The Lizard, or even Norman Osborn again soon. Short of Venom, The Kingpin, and Black Cat most of them were run though. I'd like to see a little more long term action out of someone, and with The Hobgoblins 616 past he'd be a perfect choice.

When there's a will, there's a way. If Bendis or any other writer would want a villain to return, they can always find a way to get them back no matter how impossible the circumstances are. I was surprised in Ultimate Six that they decided to give Doc Ock a psychic link with his tentacles, there are many other ways to get around.

Also, being in the Ultimate Universe, it had to make sense that any super-powered villains captured have to be placed in highly secure prisons considering the level of destruction and mayhem they could cause. It's a great thing that SHIELD is really competent in the Ultimate Universe and has the ability to defeat virtually every super-human threat they encounter. It really makes sense that a billion-dollar, well-trained and well-armed organization can do better in taking down super villains then a scrappy hero like they often do in other comic books and TV shows.

BTW, I'm curious in how they're going to bring back Doc Ock and Green Goblin considering their current circumstances. Kraven, Sandman, and Electro are also just dumb-assed thugs, so it's doubtful that they can get out of SHIELD unless it's from outside forces. Lizard is permanently part of Dr. Conners' DNA (and that's why Curt has nightmares about him in Ultimate Carnage)so he could easily come back if the writer wants to. Considering he's now in prison and jobless, the crap he's in could no doubt act as a catalyst for the Lizard's return.

[Goodwill]

That's one of the smartest posts I've ever read... Good thoughts on all of the characters.

[The Captain]

seeing the name "goodwill" and the evil face of apocalypse get really cumbersome after a while...goodwill should have something....i dont know.....good beside it..... :D :D :roll:

[The Captain]

The best place to check is on midtowncomics.com. They'll put it up the Saturday before it's scheduled release date. That is, if they recieve it, which they always do.

yeah, i wonder if the name of the issue will be "hobgoblin : part 1" or something like that...

[The Captain]

so other than harry or miles warren..who else do you think hobgoblin could be???
(begins to cry at the thought of harry being the hobgoblin as something so predictable) :(

[Guijllons]

Hold on. Is harry coming back as the hobgoblin? I thought in the 616 harry was the second green goblin and some other guy was hobgoblin?

[The Captain]

Hold on. Is harry coming back as the hobgoblin? I thought in the 616 harry was the second green goblin and some other guy was hobgoblin?

its not certain that harry is going to be the ult hobgoblin, but its pretty blatant that he is the leading candidate so far, based on rumors, ult six, and solicits for the arc thus far, it would be no surprise if it was the son of norman osborn.

[Ultimate Gambit]

Flash Thompson?

[TheManWithoutFear]

BTW, I'm curious in how they're going to bring back Doc Ock and Green Goblin considering their current circumstances. Kraven, Sandman, and Electro are also just dumb-assed thugs, so it's doubtful that they can get out of SHIELD unless it's from outside forces. Lizard is permanently part of Dr. Conners' DNA (and that's why Curt has nightmares about him in Ultimate Carnage)so he could easily come back if the writer wants to. Considering he's now in prison and jobless, the crap he's in could no doubt act as a catalyst for the Lizard's return.

Honestly I'm really looking forward to the Lizards return... I can't believe they haven't used him yet besides the Teamup which I think they know a lot of people haven't read... possibly, maybe, anyway.... I think they're actually saving the Lizard because he's a popular contender for the SpiderMan 3 movie and they're gonna want to coincide sorta, kinda... :twisted:

And I want it to be Harry I don't care how predictable it is there are two goblins (hopefully no DemoGoblin) but just the two and I don't want to see anyone else filling in the legacy besides the Osbornes I think it makes for a very good story a lot better than having some pyschiatrist or anyone else for that matter be the hob.

[The Captain]

Honestly I'm really looking forward to the Lizards return... I can't believe they haven't used him yet besides the Teamup which I think they know a lot of people haven't read... possibly, maybe, anyway.... I think they're actually saving the Lizard because he's a popular contender for the SpiderMan 3 movie and they're gonna want to coincide sorta, kinda... :twisted:

And I want it to be Harry I don't care how predictable it is there are two goblins (hopefully no DemoGoblin) but just the two and I don't want to see anyone else filling in the legacy besides the Osbornes I think it makes for a very good story a lot better than having some pyschiatrist or anyone else for that matter be the hob.

and then what.....what more is there to do with harry once he loses to spidey how much more story can you propell then??? well.... we will just have to see how good this pans out....if the hobgoblin arc isnt good, im no longer reading ult spidey, and sad to say, ill be gone from this board....(cross your fingers) those who hate me get your party hats out!!

[TheManWithoutFear]

and then what.....what more is there to do with harry once he loses to spidey how much more story can you propell then??? well.... we will just have to see how good this pans out....if the hobgoblin arc isnt good, im no longer reading ult spidey, and sad to say, ill be gone from this board....(cross your fingers) those who hate me get your party hats out!!

I'm still up for a big Goblin V Goblin fight where Harry dies at the end.

[ProjectX2]

And that's another character that Bendis can cross off his list...

[Dr.Strangefate]

Honestly I'm really looking forward to the Lizards return... I can't believe they haven't used him yet besides the Teamup which I think they know a lot of people haven't read... possibly, maybe, anyway.... I think they're actually saving the Lizard because he's a popular contender for the SpiderMan 3 movie and they're gonna want to coincide sorta, kinda... :twisted:


Does anyone else think SHIELD would have picked up the guy who a) is an illegal genetic mutation, and b) created sentient life out of Spiderman's DNA and the Venom suit? They probably wouldnt even imprison him, they'd put him in a room with the other Top SHIELD scientists to try to think up new Supersoldiers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them when Ultimates 2 ends, and the Ultimates become more of a force in the other comics (especially when Peter turns 18, remember that Bendis had 616 spidey join the New Avengers). They'll be down at the very least two top scientists, Hank Pym (who quit), and Banner (who they think is dead), and Fury's going to be pulling some strings.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Does anyone else think SHIELD would have picked up the guy who a) is an illegal genetic mutation, and b) created sentient life out of Spiderman's DNA and the Venom suit? They probably wouldnt even imprison him, they'd put him in a room with the other Top SHIELD scientists to try to think up new Supersoldiers.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them when Ultimates 2 ends, and the Ultimates become more of a force in the other comics (especially when Peter turns 18, remember that Bendis had 616 spidey join the New Avengers). They'll be down at the very least two top scientists, Hank Pym (who quit), and Banner (who they think is dead), and Fury's going to be pulling some strings.


Do you mean use Connors?

[Dr.Strangefate]

Do you mean use Connors?

Yes, sorry i didnt make that clear.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Connors as S.H.I.E.L.D.

interesting...

[Goodwill]

I don't think that SHIELD has a file on Conners because he hasn't turned into the Lizard in a while and they couldn't get him the first time for whatever reason. I wouldn't want to see him working for SHIELD anyway.

[TheManWithoutFear]

And that's another character that Bendis can cross off his list...

whose the others...

[Caduceus]

I wouldn't want to see him working for SHIELD anyway.

Why not?

He's clearly a fairly respected scientsit (I&AGM aside) and he works for Stark, somewhere you would think would serve as a prime recruiting ground for SHIELD so why wouldn't you like him there

Connors clearly doesn't want to be the Lizard so SHIELD could barter his services for their help in developing a suppressant or as part of a "you work for us and we don't arrest you" deal. Its clearly feasible plot wise so its got to be a personal reason really? I'm just wondering what it is

[TheManWithoutFear]

Why not?

He's clearly a fairly respected scientsit (I&AGM aside) and he works for Stark, somewhere you would think would serve as a prime recruiting ground for SHIELD so why wouldn't you like him there

Connors clearly doesn't want to be the Lizard so SHIELD could barter his services for their help in developing a suppressant or as part of a "you work for us and we don't arrest you" deal. Its clearly feasible plot wise so its got to be a personal reason really? I'm just wondering what it is

well seeing how well working with a transforming beast schizo worked for SHIELD the first time ... hell why not... :roll:

[Caduceus]

well seeing how well working with a transforming beast schizo worked for SHIELD the first time ... hell why not... :roll:

:D

Hehehe. Lizards not quite Hulk level but hey, who knows..

[The Captain]

wait, am i in the wrong thread? i could have sworn i clicked the hobgoblin primer one.....

[TheManWithoutFear]

wait, am i in the wrong thread? i could have sworn i clicked the hobgoblin primer one.....

Good point... ah whatelse is there to say? I can't wait for Weds :D

[ProjectX2]

Well, MWOF, he's killed many people that people are complaining of. Beast, Gwen... And he's also lcokde away many people which makes it hard to use them again... Unless the Triskelion is attacked...

[TheManWithoutFear]

Well, MWOF, he's killed many people that people are complaining of. Beast, Gwen... And he's also lcokde away many people which makes it hard to use them again... Unless the Triskelion is attacked...

The Triskelions prisoners will probably make their escape at the end of Millars run with them... Goblins and Magneto included... (thought I'd like to see Mystique bust Mags out)

[Goodwill]

I'm not so sure about that... I think, if anyone is to release these guys, it's going to be Bendis.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I'm not so sure about that... I think, if anyone is to release these guys, it's going to be Bendis.

well whoever it is I can see all of the escaping...

[The Captain]

I'm not so sure about that... I think, if anyone is to release these guys, it's going to be Bendis.

maybe harry will free his dad in this arc coming up

[TheManWithoutFear]

maybe harry will free his dad in this arc coming up

Here's hopeing...

[Goodwill]

I don't think that will be on his list of priorities... Revenge is what is driving him (Funny, huh?) and I don't think his father's going to have anything to do with it, especially since he's convinced his father's dead.

[The Captain]

I don't think that will be on his list of priorities... Revenge is what is driving him (Funny, huh?) and I don't think his father's going to have anything to do with it, especially since he's convinced his father's dead.

you say that like you know the father and son wont meet up, come on now, this is comics, its obvious at some point norman and harry will cross paths.

[Goodwill]

Right, but as far as Harry knows right now, his father is dead and I'm sure he'll be less than willing to listen to Peter to find out otherwise. o_O

[TheManWithoutFear]

I get the feeling most of us feel that Harry is going to come off as completely insane in this arc... I thought the solicts suggested he was even coming back to midtown high.

[Goodwill]

I think it said that he was, too...

[Ultimate Gambit]

Look all of you think its gonna be Harry... which is the most logical guess.
But they way Marvel has been throwing the UU at us I bet it's gonna be Flash Thompso. Of course its just one man's suspicion

[TheManWithoutFear]

Again, if it's anyone other than Harry the whole arc will be lacking...

[Goodwill]

I totally agree... If Harry were to become a villain, there would be a serious impact in Peter's life.

[ProjectX2]

But if Hobgoblin dies at the end of this arc I'd rather see someone else as the goblin instead of Harry... Unless they're doing their resurection thingy again...

[TheManWithoutFear]

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Courtesy of The Captain...

[Guijllons]

I think this could be an arc of some serious impact for peter. With the recent strange episode, he's left with thoughts of mary-lane dying on account of his actions. And the bridge incident hit peter pretty hard with the first encounter with the goblin. So does it look like a break up of peter and mj for a while?

[E]

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Courtesy of The Captain...

Whew - it's not purple. :D

[Goodwill]

Does it look like Peter's getting a little buffer now?

[The Captain]

Whew - it's not purple. :D

thanks mwof and ultiamte e.....im glad its not purple as well...

[Goodwill]

Is there a joke about it being purple or something?

[E]

In the solit the sides were purple and it looked stupid.

[Goodwill]

Gotcha... So, can anyone spoil me on this issue? I didn't get my issue in the mail and I'm eager to find out what happened!

[E]

There is a discussion thread with spoilers already...

Let's not get into the events of the actual Hobgoblin arc, that's not really what this thread is for...

[Goodwill]

Since we can't speculate in the actual issue thread, why not here, guys? Bring it on... Speculate away!

[The Captain]

Since we can't speculate in the actual issue thread, why not here, guys? Bring it on... Speculate away!

I dont know what to put here, assuming whatever i type is unimportant and wont be looked at much anyway. I was away in Tenn, not that anyone cares (maybe goodwill or mwof) anyway...... Since the issue is already out and pretty much spoiled, i speculate that you will find what you seek in that thread.....Im more or less 98% sure now that harry is the hobgoblin now too ( 2% hoping that im wrong)

[Goodwill]

Well, Bendis said that in two issues time we'll be shocked out of our pants, if you can believe that... I'm wondering what that means for the title and the arc.

I'm actually thinking that MJ and Harry were seeing eachother or still pursuing a relationship even in his absense that Peter didn't know about. It makes the most sense, especially since the first time Harry returned we saw nothing about a relationship between her and Harrison, as she called him. ;)

[TheManWithoutFear]

I'm actually thinking that MJ and Harry were seeing eachother or still pursuing a relationship even in his absense that Peter didn't know about. It makes the most sense, especially since the first time Harry returned we saw nothing about a relationship between her and Harrison, as she called him. ;)

That sounds like a good idea.... To add to that I wouldn't mind if Fury was the guy who broke the news to Pete.

[Goodwill]

Fury has no business with MJ at all, other then whenever she's in trouble... I think his role will be when Hob needs to be taken out...

[TheManWithoutFear]

Fury has no business with MJ at all, other then whenever she's in trouble... I think his role will be when Hob needs to be taken out...

Or the fact that he's been keeping an eye on Harry, whereever he was. This includes any phone calls, letters, visits or whatever from MJ. That kinda makes sense.

[Goodwill]

Agreed, but that isn't something he would tell Peter, you know? "Not his jurisdiction".

[TheManWithoutFear]

Agreed, but that isn't something he would tell Peter, you know? "Not his jurisdiction".

I'm not saying he do it in a "gossipy" kind of way. But If Fury shows up (which he should) and goes over what Harry's been doing while he's away and says that he's been in contact with MJ just as part of the story and Pete's kinda sittin' there trying to listen but just blocks everything out cos' he can't believe what he just heard kinda thing would be a good idea...

[Goodwill]

Hmm... I see what you're saying, but I'm not sure he would even do that.

[Nurhachi]

Neither, I think Pete would find out the old fashioned way. Walking in on them with the "its not wat it looks like". If anything like this happened at all. I dont think Fury would tell Peter anything about Harry, he would see it as SHIELD business, not peters

[TheManWithoutFear]

I'm baffled by you guys? Fury isn't like the Ultimates, I think he has respect for Peter. I know he didn't show up in the first issue of this arc but I think he's gonna step in eventually, I mean what happened in Ultimate Six was huge. Now Harry's back just out of nowhere and Pete's supposed to just deal with it? Cmon, Fury is gonna confront Peter and they'll have a nice long talk about what has to be done, what's being done, and what has happened.... So why do you uys assume that Fury's just gonna let Harry walk on his own like he's a normal kid... we know Harry is not a normal kid...

[Nurhachi]

well...maybe if fury came and warned peter that harry might not be too mentally stable and ask pete to keep an eye on him...that would be cool

[Dr.Strangefate]

I'm baffled by you guys? Fury isn't like the Ultimates, I think he has respect for Peter. I know he didn't show up in the first issue of this arc but I think he's gonna step in eventually, I mean what happened in Ultimate Six was huge. Now Harry's back just out of nowhere and Pete's supposed to just deal with it? Cmon, Fury is gonna confront Peter and they'll have a nice long talk about what has to be done, what's being done, and what has happened.... So why do you uys assume that Fury's just gonna let Harry walk on his own like he's a normal kid... we know Harry is not a normal kid...

I agree. I see Fury as some sort of Father Figure to Peter, in the sense that he's looking out for him, despite Peter's objections to it.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I agree. I see Fury as some sort of Father Figure to Peter, in the sense that he's looking out for him, despite Peter's objections to it.

Thank you...

[Goodwill]

I don't... I'm seeing him as someone who is doing his job against these people who are out to get him... Since he needs allies, he comes to Peter because he's in the thick of things, too.

[HulkSmash]

I don't... I'm seeing him as someone who is doing his job against these people who are out to get him... Since he needs allies, he comes to Peter because he's in the thick of things, too.

Well, if they're allies, I think we would give Pete a heads up and fill him in on a few things. Although, Ultimate Nick Fury seems like he's doing things for himself. I'm on the fence about this guy.

[The Captain]

i agree with what you all are saying for the most part...but the real key is that fury is trying to keep pete on the right track, he is like a father figure, but he is more like a mentor. The last thing the guy needs is spider-man being a villain....

[TheManWithoutFear]

The last thing the guy needs is spider-man being a villain....

Good point, Captain. I never looked at it that way. Fury open to the possibility that Peter Parker could turn to the dark side someday. Interesting...

[Goodwill]

Or, it could be that the last thing Spider-Man needs is Fury betraying him, which I think is more likely... It could be that Fury wants something out of Spider-Man in a less direct way and he can't just come out and say it and uses someone else to get to Peter hard... I don't know, as you've said, guys, Fury is a guy that shouldn't be trusted as far as you can throw him.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Or, it could be that the last thing Spider-Man needs is Fury betraying him, which I think is more likely... It could be that Fury wants something out of Spider-Man in a less direct way and he can't just come out and say it and uses someone else to get to Peter hard... I don't know, as you've said, guys, Fury is a guy that shouldn't be trusted as far as you can throw him.

True, I don't think he can be.

[Goodwill]

He's a crooked man and he's being protrayed as such in all of the titles in which he appears in.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I'm taking my statement about Fury being shady back... well wait no he's still shady but he's a good shady... This is because I think he's behind Banner's being alive.

[The Captain]

He's a crooked man and he's being protrayed as such in all of the titles in which he appears in.

which is basically what i said...i finally got the ultimate six tpb...and i stand by my statement....since fury feels responsible for captain america and everyone else being treated like a science project over the super soldier serum, he is trying to atone for his sins by looking out for pete as well.

[Goodwill]

I'm not so sure he's looking at it like that. In Ultimate Six, that's what he was doing by locking them up and he merely looked after Peter because he was part of it, too. Had Peter not have been bitten by that spider, Fury wouldn't know who he was.

[The Captain]

I'm taking my statement about Fury being shady back... well wait no he's still shady but he's a good shady... This is because I think he's behind Banner's being alive.

Explain what you mean by good shady?? like slim shady?? or just down right sneaky??

[Goodwill]

I think what he's trying to say is that he wouldn't backstab Peter or do anything to harm Peter because, after all, he's trying to help the world, not take it apart. For instance, Bush is bad shady, and Fury isn't... I may not agree with that, but whatever.

[The Captain]

I think what he's trying to say is that he wouldn't backstab Peter or do anything to harm Peter because, after all, he's trying to help the world, not take it apart. For instance, Bush is bad shady, and Fury isn't... I may not agree with that, but whatever.

Ill wait for him to explain, GW you have confused me even further...lol

[Caduceus]

Basically, Fury might not be a Nice Person but he isn't a Bad Person. He will do whatever is necessary but as we've seen, he's giving Peter a fair bit of leeway

[The Captain]

Basically, Fury might not be a Nice Person but he isn't a Bad Person. He will do whatever is necessary but as we've seen, he's giving Peter a fair bit of leeway

understandable more or less, i agree with that point.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Explain what you mean by good shady?? like slim shady?? or just down right sneaky??

his motives are unclear n' i originally thought that he was leaning towards being selfish but now i think he's a good guy.

[Nurhachi]

I think he just does his job, but sort of feels a responsibility to Spidey, I remember him telling other shield agents that Spider-Man is off limits, aside from that, he's always trying to give spidey good advice. We should know more about Furys plans at the end of the Hobgoblin arc as in the solits it says he tells Peter about his future plans for him

[The Captain]

I think he just does his job, but sort of feels a responsibility to Spidey, I remember him telling other shield agents that Spider-Man is off limits, aside from that, he's always trying to give spidey good advice. We should know more about Furys plans at the end of the Hobgoblin arc as in the solits it says he tells Peter about his future plans for him

Once again, you hit the nail with the hammer....maybe we are related???
but yeah....he knows pete is just a kid trying to do what he can to help...you cant be a complete jerk to a kid like that...he could turn rogue you know....and that would be a problem in itself...With spider-man around, it makes fury's job easier...less superpowered people to handle....

[Goodwill]

I think, sometimes, being a complete jerk is necessary. Fury has stepped out of his way to accomidate Spider-Man many times, yet, still he is immature and selfish about a lot of things... Fury has no choise but to say something.