Ultimate Alicia Masters (speculation)

[Dark_Images]

I feel bad for Ben. None of them asked for the transformation, but he seems to be the one having the hardest time coping. I hope Alicia Masters is enough to soothe him.

[TheApostle]

I feel bad for Ben. None of them asked for the transformation, but he seems to be the one having the hardest time coping. I hope Alicia Masters is enough to soothe him.

hehe.. i think him having the hardest time coping might be because he is ugly now..

[Goodwill]

Was Alicia Masters a romantic object for Ben?

[Ice]

Was Alicia Masters a romantic object for Ben?
Oh yeah. Most definetly. Alicia loved Ben, even with the way Ben looked. (Or 'touched'...ah, you know what I mean.)

[Dark_Images]

I may have heard wrong, but did someone say Alicia Masters was blind as well?

[Ice]

Yes, she is blind.

[E]

I may have heard wrong, but did someone say Alicia Masters was blind as well?

She's blind, and she's also the step-daughter of one of the FF's oldest nemises - Puppet Master.

[ProjectX2]

And the Puppet Master used her to get close to the FF, didn't he?

[Ice]

Yes, he did.

[Tomar]

Just as a side bit on Alicia masters, this is a quote from the trivia, for the old ****ty fantastic four movie that never got released ,on imdb.com

Quote:
The movie contains one of the all-time great "bad movie" moments. Doctor Doom's henchmen come to kidnap Alicia Masters. They sneak up behind her and do the standard "chloroform rag over the mouth" bit to render her unconscious. And we get the standard point-of-view shot from her, seeing the bottom half of the screen covered by the rag and then the rest of the image going from clear to fuzzy to black, as to show us what she is seeing as it happens. Pretty standard for numerous low-budget action movies. One problem though. The character of Alicia Masters is completely, totally, and in all ways, blind.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Just as a side bit on Alicia masters, this is a quote from the trivia, for the old ****ty fantastic four movie that never got released ,on imdb.com

Quote:
The movie contains one of the all-time great "bad movie" moments. Doctor Doom's henchmen come to kidnap Alicia Masters. They sneak up behind her and do the standard "chloroform rag over the mouth" bit to render her unconscious. And we get the standard point-of-view shot from her, seeing the bottom half of the screen covered by the rag and then the rest of the image going from clear to fuzzy to black, as to show us what she is seeing as it happens. Pretty standard for numerous low-budget action movies. One problem though. The character of Alicia Masters is completely, totally, and in all ways, blind.

I wonder why it was never released... :roll:

[Tomar]

the funny thing was they only made it so whatever company that held the rights could keep them, cause they had to do something with the rights after a certain amount of time or they`d lose them, the movie was made with the intention of never being released, though the actors and crew had no idea.

[HulkSmash]

When is Ultimate Alicia Masters supposed to show up?

[E]

One problem though. The character of Alicia Masters is completely, totally, and in all ways, blind.

HA! :lol:

[Dark_Images]

I wonder if they'll make the Puppet Master a villain in UFF, or they can just stick her in anyways.

[The Captain]

I wonder if they'll make the Puppet Master a villain in UFF, or they can just stick her in anyways.

he will be there one way or another, maybe not at the forefront at first, but he will be near his daugther, her without him is like michael jackson without.....nevermind, wrong message board. LOL

[Ice]

When is Ultimate Alicia Masters supposed to show up?
Sometime during Millars run. Somewhere between issues #19-30.

[Goodwill]

Where'd you hear that he was only on until 30?

[Ice]

He's only doing 12 issues. 19-30 is 12 issues.

[Goodwill]

I don't think I ever heard he was only doing 12, but I'll take your word for it. I don't think he should leave after just 12 if he's going to have so much fun with the title, but I'm not Millar...

[ProjectX2]

Why'd I think he was only doing 9 issues? 3 arcs?

[Goodwill]

Now that I think of it, that's what I thought, too, because he was doing three, three issue arcs, right?

[Ice]

No, he was doing 4 three issue arcs, as the news said when E posted it. Hence the 12 issues, where it wasn't specified where Alicia was to appear in.

[Goodwill]

I hope she's in there more than just three issues... Also, didn't Millar say that the three issue arcs would encompass a larger picture for a six issue arc.

[Ice]

Well, taking this from the news thread, maybe this helps you out a bit:



"PS UFF will be great. All three-parters. Crossover will be the most talked about Ultimate story since the line began. You'll understand why soon. The next one is Ultimate Namor and the undersea pyramids of Atlantis, Alicia Masters, Word War 2 and more madness than you can shake a stick at. I never come back to a series, but my involvement in UFF was so minimal and so different from this that it all feels like the first time. I'm writing their dialogue for the first time too so it feels very new and fresh to me...I'm doing a big 12 issue run...All three parters. All cool."

[Goodwill]

Yeah, so how did Alicia ever cross paths with Ben in the 616 universe? It's going to be difficult for them to meet if Ben's confined to the building...

[Ice]

The way they met, I can't remember exactly. I do know that before they met, Alicia had done a sculpture of Thing's head, and it was exactly like Thing's. I [think] that the way they met was Ben was taking a walk, and he passed by this store which had sculptures by Alicia. Again, I'm not sure...So this is the best I can tell ya. Sorry.

[Goodwill]

Was there a television show where that happened and Thing fought the Hulk in that same episode?

[TheManWithoutFear]

Since they cast Kerry Washington as Alicia Masters in the movie, do you think that Ultimate Alicia Masters will be African American?

[Ice]

That we won't know until Millar introduces her. But it won't matter to me.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I hope she is.

[Goodwill]

Since they cast Kerry Washington as Alicia Masters in the movie, do you think that Ultimate Alicia Masters will be African American?

Hey, they were going to make Thing African American in the Ultimate Universe... Hitch had originally intended for him to be African American when he was actually a man but they changed that for some reason. I wouldn't have minded that, though.

Alicia Masters being African American would be good... You know, fill the quota a bit. That title and Spider-Man are lacking racial differences.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Alicia Masters being African American would be good... You know, fill the quota a bit. That title and Spider-Man are lacking racial differences.

The UU is lacking racial differences... what do we really have so far?

[Goodwill]

We really only have a black Fury and an Asian Storm and Wasp...

[TheManWithoutFear]

I rest my case...

[Goodwill]

There should've been a race change for Longshot... I would've loved to see him as an Aboreganese person or something

[TheApostle]

We really only have a black Fury and an Asian Storm and Wasp...
Storm is asian? Are you sure?

[Ultimate Gambit]

same thing I thought what issue does it say storm is asian?

[TheManWithoutFear]

Me too I thought she was directly imported from Africa

[E]

Storm isn't Asian.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Ok, well she still falls under the minorty category we're talking about here

[Ice]

Ok....getting back to the topic at hand....(Alicia Masters, remember?)


I don't think it will matter what race she will be. It didn't hurt Fury's character, and I think it will certaintly not hurt her. But the question I pose here is thus: "Will she be used more than just in Millar's run?" I hope so. I do wish that they keep her around as a "cast member". Not that she has to be in EVERY ISSUE or whatever, just not mention here, then like, 15 issues later or something.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Oh, totally she's going to be an essential part of Thing's character... she'll be around for a while.

[Goodwill]

Storm isn't Asian.

Storm is so Asian. She's from the Philipines, as it pointed out in the World Tour arc, meaning she's Asian.

[TheManWithoutFear]

Storm is so Asian. She's from the Philipines, as it pointed out in the World Tour arc, meaning she's Asian.

Hmmm, that is pretty Asian.

[Ice]

Guys, lets keep this on topic.

[Goodwill]

Yes, Mr. Mod. ;)

So, how do you think Masters will be played in the UU? Thing isn't aloud to leave the building yet... Do you think she could be a high school sweetheart? It would be a good way to reintroduce Thing's past, which was swept under the rug a bit... I mean, there's not really much that needs to be seen, but he came to the transferring of the apple all wrong and I'd like to see some of his backstory a bit.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I'm thinking they'll meet during Thing's first outing....

[Goodwill]

You think that will be soon? I'm thinking not...

[TheManWithoutFear]

You think that will be soon? I'm thinking not...

I wish they'd start making the FF publicly known they're suppsed to be celebrities..

[Goodwill]

I like the fact that they are taking it slow... I'm enjoying the science stuf... Back on to the topic, though.

[E]

I don't remember that about Storm, so I'll take your word for it. Thanks.

Now - no more about anything except Alicia Masters. Stay on topic.

[Goodwill]

So, Masters has no super powers?

[E]

Super sculpting powers....

[Goodwill]

That's pretty lame. ;)

[Nurhachi]

MAybe she'll be someone that the FF rescue. And Thing and Johnny are instantly attracted, but she "suprisingly" goes for thing

[TheManWithoutFear]

MAybe she'll be someone that the FF rescue. And Thing and Johnny are instantly attracted, but she "suprisingly" goes for thing

Sounds good to me.

[Ice]

That's pretty lame. ;)
Well, she's just a human who has a SUPER talent in sculpting. What did you expect?

[Goodwill]

I know, I was only have some fun... If this was a joke, Ice, you really need to work on them. ;)

Anyway, did she help out at the Baxter Building in the 616 universe or live there? What's her deal with that?

Also, is she still around in 616?

[Ice]

Also, is she still around in 616?
I have said earlier that she is still around in 616.

[Goodwill]

But is she making frequent appearances? Well, I guess the better question is when was the last time she showed up?

[Ice]

But is she making frequent appearances? Well, I guess the better question is when was the last time she showed up?
Last month, where the last story arc in MK: 4 was about her.

[Goodwill]

Cool... What happened?

[E]

Thanks to Ice for taking that to a new thread.

Back on topic...

[Goodwill]

I hope she isn't going to be as boring as this thread for her is putting on... o_O ;)

[Ice]

I hope she isn't going to be as boring as this thread for her is putting on... o_O ;)
With Millar writing her? Yeah, right! :roll:

[Goodwill]

I only hope you're right... :)

[Ice]

I only hope you're right... :)
Well, look at what he's done with Jarvis in the Ultimates. From the issues I read from my friend that had Jarvis, he wasn't as interesting to read as now. In 616, he's just this, "yes sir", "Oh, no sir", and a good manner man overall, which by no means doesn't mean I don't like that. I'm just comparing him to the UU Jarvis, who has more attitude in him, and is quite interesting to read.


So MM can make Jarvis a more interesting character, he can too for Alicia.

[Goodwill]

Jarvis is annoying, though... What's good about him being annoying?

[TheManWithoutFear]

Jarvis isn't annoying, he's two things.

He's Loki and he's off topic :D

[TheManWithoutFear]

Alicia will probably be appearing in the President Thor arc then.

[ourchair]

Hey, they were going to make Thing African American in the Ultimate Universe... Hitch had originally intended for him to be African American when he was actually a man but they changed that for some reason. I wouldn't have minded that, though.I'm not fundamentally opposed to re-casting the ethnicities of comic book characters, but I think an African American Ben Grimm would've been a bad idea.

An African American Ben Grimm could've easily fall into the trap of being any number of black archetypes (sagely Morgan Freeman types, military bad-asses like Green Lantern, benevolent bear-like paternal figures like Dennis Haysbert) and end up being defined more by his race than by anything else.

It works for Ultimate Nick Fury because he's playing a pop cultural race role that melds with his position in the team well, which is that of a bad-*** from a long tradition of African American bad-asses (whether its the blaxploitation heroes, or the unapologetically ham-fisted Mr. T-types). Oh and neither Bendis nor Millar have really written African-American characters that aren't anything more than pop cultural archetypes.

The 616 Ben, being ostensibly Jewish and of a lower-class background worked because he served as the 'blue-collar contrast' to the stodgy professorial nature of Reed and the high society gal of Susan Storm and aw shucks enthusiasm of Johnny Storm. Amidst a team of Manhattan urbanites, Ben Grimm served as the grounding force for them all, and proved that you don't need skin color or sexuality to provide a strong contrast.


Alicia Masters being African American would be good... You know, fill the quota a bit. That title and Spider-Man are lacking racial differences.Again, I'm not against the principle of making any character African-American, but to do so for reasons of 'filling the quota' is not representation or racial diversity, it's just shameless tokenism.

I think an African-American Alicia Masters would be interesting if only because you can get away with making her father (assuming they are biologically related, as opposed to adoptive like in 616) black. That frees up the Ultimate Puppet Master to be something more like a vodoun bokor who uses gris gris to control people, rather than something stupid like atomic clay.

[Goodwill]

You talk too much. :)

[ourchair]

You talk too much. :)
I am also right too often. :D

[TheManWithoutFear]

You talk too much. :)


:neutral: .... Ha! :twisted:

[Goodwill]

Damn, no post of the day outta that one? Tough crowd...

You can't really argue with an opinion, I guess. Ourchair, you believe that race could potentially make or a break a character... Even define a character. I'm afraid I don't agree with you. Let's take Ben, for example. If he were to be the jock archetype as the white version of Ben was in the actual issue of UFF, I don't think there would be any obvious change. Honestly, race does not necessarily have to function as it does in the real world, granted this is supposed to be a projection of political and pop culture. Who knows.

Anyway, either way, I'd like to see Alicia Masters be African American. Like the movie. It would be a change in pace from the white UU.

[ourchair]

You can't really argue with an opinion, I guess. Ourchair, you believe that race could potentially make or a break a character... Even define a character.I know it sounds like I do, but I don't. My problem really isn't that there's anything fundamentally wrong with a black Ben or Alicia, it just doesn't sound like it'd add anything interesting. It's just different for different's sake.

As you put it, "I'd like to see Alicia Masters be African American. Like the movie. It would be a change in pace from the white UU." A character going from white to black being 'different' isn't a good enough reason to do it. It's not the same as 'it adds something to the character' or 'it further deepens your understanding of him'.

'Different' is what you use to justify giving characters diseases and making them wear protective armor with cybernetic arms without any consideration for theme and subtext. 'Different' is what you use to justify killing characters off without realizing its a mistake, and forcing yourself to resort to painfully convoluted resurrection schemes.

And to justify that by declaring that it'd "fill the quota a bit" because the comics are "lacking racial differences." is just a shameless call for racial tokenism. A black Nick Fury at least made sense with the increasing presence of high-ranking black people in the military and state affairs, as embodied by Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice.

[TheManWithoutFear]

I know it sounds like I do, but I don't. My problem really isn't that there's anything fundamentally wrong with a black Ben or Alicia, it just doesn't sound like it'd add anything interesting. It's just different for different's sake.
As far as race goes, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact that's the only reason to make the change. For the sake of it.