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Ok, going on from another thread, Iceman is not gay. I have nothing agaisnt gays, but Iceman will never be one. He has been known to be a "ladies man", or at least have tried to be one. Yes, Northstar had a crush on him, but that's as far as Northstar took it. Iceman's last girlfriend was Opal Tenaka, a Japanese girl who before dating Bobby, was dating Sunfire.
The reason why said that it's rumored why Bobby might be returning with Lorna, is because in an X-Men letters page, some months ago, someone complained to Marvel (No, not me) about Bobby being permantly stuck in his ice state. The editor had replied that it was ok, and hinted at Bobby returning with Lorna, since he said that somone with a magnetic personality would sooth him, or something like that. Bobby tried going out with Nurse Annie, but that basically just became a "one-night stand" kinda deal.
ProjectX2
02-01-2005, 05:00 PM
The Iceman thread... What next?
TheManWithoutFear
02-01-2005, 05:02 PM
I like the thread...
How's he gonna get any lovin' if he's in perma-ice state?
How's he gonna get any lovin' if he's in perma-ice state?
My thoughts exactly. But what I was thinking, which I doubt will happen, but it's just a thought, is that wheter he hooks back up with Lorna again or not, maybe she can use her powers to help him revert or something... :?
I hope your right Ice. I hope your right.
Goodwill
02-01-2005, 07:42 PM
Why is Iceman permanently in his ice state?
Ultimate Gambit
02-01-2005, 07:43 PM
secondary mutation I suppose
secondary mutation I suppose
Yes, it is because of that.
One thing that I didn't like from Austen...
Goodwill
02-01-2005, 07:44 PM
Why can't he have something better than that as a secondary mutation... What's turning completely into ice going to do?
Ah, who knows...It was Austen who wrote that...
Goodwill
02-01-2005, 07:52 PM
:lol: He took a Morrison idea that was good and spoiled the character in a way?
Yeah, and well, he gave Archangel blood that can heal others, and his younger brother, Jay, the EXACT same powers. Flight, and blood that can heal others.
That's..ok. But what he did to Iceman, that I don't like at all. But the funny thing is, is that For the Marvel Holiday Special 2004, Iceman was in one story where in two scenes, he was in his human state. I believe it was written by Aguiree-Sacasa (MK:4, Nightcrawler).
ProjectX2
02-01-2005, 08:13 PM
Why is Iceman permanently in his ice state?
Secondary mutation. There is a good side to this though... it will be hard to harm him. Just as long as someone doesn't have a flamethrower.
Secondary mutation. There is a good side to this though... it will be hard to harm him.
Although that may be a good thing, I still don't like that he's permantly like that.
Just as long as someone doesn't have a flamethrower.
That happened once. In his Iceman:Icons 4 issue mini.
ProjectX2
02-01-2005, 08:18 PM
Who attacked him with it? What happened?
I shall answer in invisotext:
What happened was he was in China, going to see Opal, since she had called him for something important, and while in the airport, some anti-mutant group figured out who he was by a mutant scanner they had, and used their flametrowers on him.
Dr.Strangefate
02-01-2005, 08:26 PM
I think he meant how did Iceman survive the Flamethrower assault... if not, i would like to know...
Well, just checked to be sure, and it was only one guy who had a flamthrower. They he survived it was that he tricked the guy with the flamethrower, by making an ice copy of himself, and the attacker melting the fake Iceman. The real Iceman came from behind and knocked him out with an ice blast.
TheManWithoutFear
02-01-2005, 09:20 PM
Why can't he have something better than that as a secondary mutation... What's turning completely into ice going to do?
Hmmm wouldn't it be so cool if all the characters had useful mutations? Cmon guys mutations can't always be a good thing? The perma-ice I'm not to crazy about either but I understand why they did it.
Guijllons
02-02-2005, 12:10 AM
In the Draco arc he got reduced to just a head, and to rebuild himself he took the water from someone's body, because there wasn't enough in the air in that dimension. So i guess it works in a similar way to wolverine's healing factor. you blast one of iceman's arms off now, and if there is enough water about, he can grow it straight back.
Caduceus
02-02-2005, 09:58 AM
That scene was one of the more......low class moments of the Draco. Not necessarily bad, just...low class. Whats scarier than hero pee?
P.S. The answer is villain pee
Guijllons
02-02-2005, 10:31 AM
I was gonna suggest one of ultimate things farts.
I was gonna suggest one of ultimate things farts.
Um....ooook... :?
Synch
02-03-2005, 03:14 PM
I don't know who attacked him but iceman is basically invincible whether he gets melted or not. when emma frost took his powers she turned into water, she got chunks shot out of her and healed back traveled through miles of river water in seconds and something else that i can't remember but still until then i never knew how powerful iceman could be.
Hey, not EVEN Iceman himself knew that. And that's all because he joked around more than trying to see where his limits can be pushed up to. He remembered all that stuff that happened to him while Emma was in his mind. And he tried many times to have her tell him how to do it.Of course, these where the times when Emma really got like, all morally and stuff, and told him these where things he had to learn to do himself. Then there was that one time, where he had a whole in his chest (in his ice form of course, and how he got it, I can explain if someone wants), he was scared to go back into his human form because he might die with the whole there. And after freezing the blood flow to Emma's head for a few seconds, and after mind games from Emma, Emma finnally got Bobby to revert back, and the whole just ended up as a big tear in his suit.
There's just so many things that Iceman can do. If the writers can touch on some of these, rather than just have him piss of Havok and others, it would be better.
Synch
02-03-2005, 03:27 PM
word
Caduceus
02-04-2005, 05:45 AM
If the writers can touch on some of these, rather than just have him piss of Havok and others, it would be better.
That being the operative word.
But seriously. Iceman isn't classed as an Omega level mutant for nothing.
Irish_4204
02-11-2005, 11:08 PM
When Emma took over Bobby's body wasn't she able to fly? I really would like to see Bobby fly (ice slide him and launch him to into the air. a scene like that would be amazing).
When Emma took over Bobby's body wasn't she able to fly?
No, she wasn't flying. It just looked like that, since she had shot herself up that high.
TheManWithoutFear
02-12-2005, 12:14 AM
I don't get how how Iceman's power would enable him to fly. I wouldn't buy it.
I don't get how how Iceman's power would enable him to fly. I wouldn't buy it.
I think people are thinking that because in the issue (#314), Iceman (with Emma's mind) is high in the sky, with the moon looking as if it was right in front of him.
Irish_4204
02-12-2005, 12:31 AM
Reason I was interested in Iceman flying is because in the solicitations for issue #168 it has him and Logan jumping from a plane. Logan has a parachute on, but Bobby doesn't....
I guess he could cool down the molecules around him and make them more dense which could possibly slow down his assent....
Reason I was interested in Iceman flying is because in the solicitations for issue #168 it has him and Logan jumping from a plane. Logan has a parachute on, but Bobby doesn't....
I guess he could cool down the molecules around him and make them more dense which could possibly slow down his assent....
Yes, it woud be interesting.
Now, on another note, let me just ask a little question, see who knows the answer.
Who are Bobby's siblings?
Irish_4204
02-12-2005, 12:45 AM
Now, on another note, let me just ask a little question, see who knows the answer.
Who are Bobby's siblings?
Is this a trick question?
I thought Bobby only had cousins. I think one was Joel...
Is this a trick question?
I thought Bobby only had cousins. I think one was Joel...
Why yes, it is a trick question! :wink:
In the comics, Bobby is an only child. In the movie X2, he has a younger brother named Ronny (who was a non-mutant). And in the "Spider-Man & his Amazing Friends" show, he had a half-sister who was a mutant, named Lightwave.
And yes, one of his cousins was Joel, and dont forget Mary!
Irish_4204
02-12-2005, 12:49 AM
What did I win for getting the question right? :)
What did I win for getting the question right? :)
Question right? Ya didn't answer it! :wink:
Well, how about a "No-Prize", just for the hell of it?
ProjectX2
02-12-2005, 12:53 AM
I know this is off-topic but I'll ask it here...
Or not...
Check the Talkback thread... :D
You know, I would like to see one of Iceman's abilities that I have only seen used one. And that's converting ice back into water, after he creates the ice. I know this ain't like a SUPER thing or whatever, but it would be cool to see. That's just IMO.
Nurhachi
02-15-2005, 01:35 AM
That might make iceman a bit TOO powerful for now. I mean, Icemans got so much potential and if its all realised he'd be impossible to beat. Wat was that comic where he went into the future or something with Juggernaut and a few others? And Juggernaut was good. And Icemans powers were WAY ahead of wat they are now?
That might make iceman a bit TOO powerful for now. I mean, Icemans got so much potential and if its all realised he'd be impossible to beat. Wat was that comic where he went into the future or something with Juggernaut and a few others? And Juggernaut was good. And Icemans powers were WAY ahead of wat they are now?
"A bit TOO powerful"? Please, it would be better to see him with using that kinda power more than just seeing him how he is now, which is just talking too much trash. And so what if it would make him almost impossible to beat? There are a lot of characters like that, so I don't see why that can't happen. I mean, if you're an Omega mutant, its best to act like one. QQ sure did, even though he was a villain...but that's beside the point.
Caduceus
02-15-2005, 12:07 PM
I still laugh when I remember a discussion somehwere else about Omega Mutants and someone asked if QQ was one. The response
"He Pimp-smacked Xavier. What do you think?"
Iceman should have been called "Snowman" in X-Men #1. The Ice thing was actually the first documented secondary mutation, we just didn't know it. :D
Caduceus
02-15-2005, 12:30 PM
Lol. I always thought it had just been put down ot his control getting better, that he could actually make Ice rather than just snow.
Guijllons
02-15-2005, 12:54 PM
Well, originally he just covered his skin in snow(iddy biddy bits of ice), then he was able to turn his entire body to ice, right? And this most latest mutation is just permanent ice right? plus some healing factor of sorts
Well, originally he just covered his skin in snow(iddy biddy bits of ice), then he was able to turn his entire body to ice, right? And this most latest mutation is just permanent ice right? plus some healing factor of sorts
Yes, yes, aaaaaand yes. :wink:
ProjectX2
02-15-2005, 10:46 PM
Snowman... :lol:
Caduceus
02-16-2005, 06:57 AM
You know what that means...........
Snowmastertron.............
You know what that means...........
Snowmastertron.............
Caddy please don't tempt me. :D
Caduceus
02-16-2005, 09:16 AM
My favourite pasttime
Hey, for those who know about both Opal Tenaka and Lorna Dane, a.k.a. Polaris, who do you think is a better girlfriend for Iceman? And also, who do you think WAS a better girlfriend to Iceman?
Caduceus
03-02-2005, 04:53 PM
Hey, for those who know about both Opal Tenaka and Lorna Dane, a.k.a. Polaris, who do you think is a better girlfriend for Iceman? And also, who do you think WAS a better girlfriend to Iceman?
Opal is better but neither of them was particularly nice so I'm going with Opal. There's a guy on the XMB who consistently refers to her as Opal and Her Giant Pants. Lorna was a cow to Bobby though. Seriously.
Opal is better but neither of them was particularly nice so I'm going with Opal. There's a guy on the XMB who consistently refers to her as Opal and Her Giant Pants. Lorna was a cow to Bobby though. Seriously.
That is true. Opal lied to Bobby about being a father, just so she could get what she wants. And Lorna made horrible comments about Bobby at her bachelorette party. But hey, Iceman made mistakes too. I remember one issue, where something might happen to Opal or something, and Bobby just basically used her as bait to draw the danger out, really. Boy was Opal pissed. The neighbor's, instead of making comments such as "GO AWAY MUTIE FREAK" or anything, they just bashed him for being a bad boyfriend.
But as of late, Iceman and Polaris have been getting a bit closer. It's been hinted that they might be put back with each other.
Overall really, I think Iceman tried to be the best he could with them. In one story arc in X-FACTOR, Iceman went to Japan to get a kidnapped Opal. I believe he went with Jean and someone else, that wasn't an X-Man. Iceman, being impatient and all, wanted to just go straight in. But of course, he wasn't allowed to. So he tried Jean's plans first, but that backfired. He then went straight to the location where Opal was, after getting they info they needed. In the end, Bobby had his girlfriend back. Incase anyone wondered, it was her biological grandfather who had kidnapped her.
Caduceus
03-02-2005, 05:02 PM
Just remember that Polaris was a cow to Bobby before Austen decided she needed to be completely insane. How much worse is she going to be now....
Just remember that Polaris was a cow to Bobby before Austen decided she needed to be completely insane. How much worse is she going to be now....
Well, with the two issues Milligan has written with her, she hasn't gone crazy or done anything..."cow-ish". Iceman has been nice to her, as if they were always friends and nothing happened, and Lorna hasn't done any rejections of any sort.
Hey, I bet no one thought up a connection between Iceman and Wolverine, from the people they knew, in a few steps. Wondering? Well, here is the connection:
Iceman used to date Opal Tenaka, who used to date Sunfire, who's the cousin of Silver Samurai, who's in the same family as Mariko Yashida (by blood), who was once with Wolverine.
Caduceus
03-05-2005, 11:16 AM
You know that this means if Opal Tanaka and her Giant Pants had, in fact, been a mormon man, and Iceman and Sunfire had been women, and they had all gotten married at a love-in, and Mariko Yashida hadn't been poisoned or had actually married Wolvie, then Iceman would be the wife of the cousin to Wolverine's wife, making him practically related!!!
You're a sick man, you know that?
:lol:
iceman
03-22-2005, 11:03 PM
yeah... speaking of Iceman and Wolverine. I want to see an issue where Iceman kills Wolverine. Or at least proves he can. Maybe if Wolverine goes nuts, Iceman will have an excuse to freeze his adamantium to absolute zero, then Ice-hulk punch him and shatter him.
i can only dream...
Though, in the Wolverine issue where he killed Northstar, (That death was so dumb I was expecting Northstar to say "D'oh!") Wolverine seemed slightly worried about Iceman closing in. As he says the heroes closing in on him, he states "Iron Man. Iceman." Then goes on about how he has to jump. I think there were other heroes there he didn't say.
Haha I really just want Iceman to get some respect. He wins 90% of his arena matches, 10 % of his comic book fights.
yeah... speaking of Iceman and Wolverine. I want to see an issue where Iceman kills Wolverine. Or at least proves he can. Maybe if Wolverine goes nuts, Iceman will have an excuse to freeze his adamantium to absolute zero, then Ice-hulk punch him and shatter him.
i can only dream...
Though, in the Wolverine issue where he killed Northstar, (That death was so dumb I was expecting Northstar to say "D'oh!") Wolverine seemed slightly worried about Iceman closing in. As he says the heroes closing in on him, he states "Iron Man. Iceman." Then goes on about how he has to jump. I think there were other heroes there he didn't say.
Haha I really just want Iceman to get some respect. He wins 90% of his arena matches, 10 % of his comic book fights.
I...I :heart: you.
iceman
03-22-2005, 11:10 PM
I...I :heart: you.
Because I think that Iceman is underpowered in the comic? Or because I want Wolverine to die?
Hopefully, a mix of both
Because I think that Iceman is underpowered in the comic? Or because I want Wolverine to die?
Hopefully, a mix of both
Because we both know that Iceman IS underused in the comics.
Irish_4204
03-22-2005, 11:33 PM
Yeah, not alot of writers give Bobby some credit. I hope Milligan can earn him some respect.
I just hope maybe from the House of M, Bobby will regain his flesh and be able to be the funny one again.
I just hope maybe from the House of M, Bobby will regain his flesh and be able to be the funny one again.
You've given me hope. :D
Irish_4204
03-22-2005, 11:44 PM
You've given me hope. :D
Well it's a rumor that HoM will get rid of secondary mutations. NO MORE PERMANENT ICE! YES!
Does anyone know if Bobby is able to feel pain? For that matter, pleasure (probably why he is so pissed all the time).
If he is made of just ice, how the hell is he able to see and talk? Ugh, this permanent ice!
Well it's a rumor that HoM will get rid of secondary mutations. NO MORE PERMANENT ICE! YES!
I hope he's able to go back and forth again.
Does anyone know if Bobby is able to feel pain? For that matter, pleasure (probably why he is so pissed all the time).
While Iceman is in his ice state, he is somewhat bullet-proof. ALTHOUGH, when he reverts back, it is possible for him to have a scar, and/or feel pain then.
If he is made of just ice, how the hell is he able to see and talk? Ugh, this permanent ice!
It's just his body covered in ice. Doesn't mean his vocal box won't work. It's the same thing for Magma. While in her volcanic form, she can still talk.
iceman
03-22-2005, 11:51 PM
i thought he was back in the mode where his body is actually made of ice, not just covered with it. i mean, he's see-through.
and about HoM, i hope not all secondary mutations go away. i kinda like angel's. it actually gives warren a real power. (i'm amazed that he hasn't just been shot by some thug with good aim)
Irish_4204
03-22-2005, 11:56 PM
i thought he was back in the mode where his body is actually made of ice, not just covered with it. i mean, he's see-through.
and about HoM, i hope not all secondary mutations go away. i kinda like angel's. it actually gives warren a real power. (i'm amazed that he hasn't just been shot by some thug with good aim)
I'm trying to think of all the secondary mutations. Not alot. Bobby was the first though.
-Bobby
-Jean (when she got her TK back)
-Warren
-Beast (kinda, not really I think he was just further mutating, I hope HoM still reverts him back to his semian form)
-Emma
Can't think of any more.......
TheManWithoutFear
03-22-2005, 11:57 PM
I'm trying to think of all the secondary mutations. Not alot. Bobby was the first though.
-Bobby
-Jean (when she got her TK back)
-Warren
-Beast (kinda, not really I think he was just further mutating, I hope HoM still reverts him back to his semian form)
-Emma
Can't think of any more.......
Didn't Rogue get the power to call up any of the powers she's ever absorbed? I thought Scott got some kind of vision too?
Didn't Rogue get the power to call up any of the powers she's ever absorbed? I thought Scott got some kind of vision too?
Rogue's is confusing to explain (for me, at least) and Cykes doesn't has any.
Irish_4204
03-23-2005, 12:01 AM
Didn't Rogue get the power to call up any of the powers she's ever absorbed? I thought Scott got some kind of vision too?
Rogue was able to access all of the powers she had ever absorbed due to Sage jumpstarting her. This gave Rogue complete control over her powers (her genetic potential). This consequently burnt out her powers. Later on (off panel) Sage had to jumpstart her powers again. Now, she is limited to absorbing again, no ms. marvel powers either :( ( a little more controll with absorbing though).
and about HoM, i hope not all secondary mutations go away.
I agree with this. I like Emma's and Hank's mutations.
Irish_4204
03-23-2005, 12:06 AM
I agree with this. I like Emma's and Hank's mutations.
Emma's is alright. I don't think Hank's qualifies as a secondary mutation, but I hate it. I hope HoM rids Beast of his current form. I can't take a giant cat seriously. It's really hard for artists to draw too.
iceman
03-23-2005, 12:33 AM
Yeah, Beast's isn't really that big of a change. They could have made his animal instincts go up in his ape form, leading to the same good characterization. His powers don't seem to be all that different, just enhanced.
(*type type type* enhance.)
You know what I miss...Iceman and Beast hanging out. Remember when they were always hanging with each other? I liked the scene at Scott/Jean's wedding party, when they just said "We have no life" or something like that. That was funny.
Irish_4204
03-23-2005, 12:39 AM
You know what I miss...Iceman and Beast hanging out. Remember when they were always hanging with each other? I liked the scene at Scott/Jean's wedding party, when they just said "We have no life" or something like that. That was funny.
I miss that too. We probably won't see them together for awhile though. Seems like the different X-squads are banned from talking to each other except on Holidays. I don't get it. They all live in the same freaking house....
iceman
03-23-2005, 12:48 AM
yeah seriously. the same happened in ultimate x-men. bobby and hank were supposed to be really tight, thats the way millar wrote it. after bobby was injured, hank just sat in bobbys room listening to his cds, and they were shown hanging out.
then, when hank died, bobby didn't even have a reaction.
DAMN YOU BENDIS!
also, I think 616 Bobby and Kurt should be tight. They're just crazy alike.
also, I think 616 Bobby and Kurt should be tight. They're just crazy alike.
I KNOW!
Two of the teams' biggest joksters (or when Iceman used to be, idiot Austen), and they dont even hang out and make crazy schemes!
iceman
03-23-2005, 01:05 AM
ha, another comic i planned (the other is the one i mentioned in the Xmen Unlimited Solicitation thread below this one) is one where Bobby and Kurt just go around the mansion, hatching capers! Like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle, but less money oriented. So I guess more like Strongbad and the Cheat.
compound
03-23-2005, 02:12 PM
then, when hank died, bobby didn't even have a reaction.
DAMN YOU BENDIS!Not strictly true... Brian Vaughn did kind of acknowledge Bobby's weird response to Hank's death, with the whole ice-skating-in-the-frozen-pool scene with Rogue, during the Sinister arc. Their conversation seemed to indicate that Bobby accepted the fact that certain brilliant people just happen to die young.
Of course, he cites mostly dead rock stars, but I guess that's to be expected of somebody his age, maturity level, and whatnot...
In any case, Bobby has definitely alluded to Beast's death, even if he did so in a more aloof, emotionally-detached kind of way.
iceman
03-23-2005, 08:57 PM
Not strictly true... Brian Vaughn did kind of acknowledge Bobby's weird response to Hank's death, with the whole ice-skating-in-the-frozen-pool scene with Rogue, during the Sinister arc. Their conversation seemed to indicate that Bobby accepted the fact that certain brilliant people just happen to die young.
Of course, he cites mostly dead rock stars, but I guess that's to be expected of somebody his age, maturity level, and whatnot...
In any case, Bobby has definitely alluded to Beast's death, even if he did so in a more aloof, emotionally-detached kind of way.
Hank was Bobby's best friend in the mansion. And I don't think Bobby was ever the emotionally-detached type.
Iceman gets a gf soon in X-Men. And Carey will show Iceman actually doing something with his powers.
Can't wait for July.
ProjectX2
03-16-2006, 01:53 PM
Iceman gets a gf soon in X-Men. And Carey will show Iceman actually doing something with his powers.
Can't wait for July.
Iceman has powers?!
Iceman has powers?!
Mind blogging, I know. :shock:
ProjectX2
03-16-2006, 02:01 PM
Mind blogging, I know. :shock:
Interesting. I wish I could blog the mind.
Doc Comic
03-16-2006, 02:10 PM
So is Cyclops finally going to be Bobby's girlfriend?
So is Cyclops finally going to be Bobby's girlfriend?
Right after Superman kisses Carnage's ***.
Doc Comic
03-16-2006, 02:59 PM
Right after Superman kisses Carnage's ***.
Since that will never happen, that means Cyclops and Iceman aren't becoming a couple. Dang. =(
Also, did Nurhachi steal Ice's account?
Oh, and Superman already did kick Carnage's ***. In the form of the Sentry. Woo.
It was stupid to take Bobby's powers away from him. Stupider to give them back, but they never should've taken them in the first place. After all the character's suffered, the death of his father and all the romantic woes... Realistically, Bobby would've probably slit his own wrists than lose his powers.
Didn't want to take where this is originally from to off-topicness, but when did Iceman's father die? I have the issue from were he was beatne nearly to death, but re-couperated (sp?) afterwards in [adjectiveless] X-Men.
And technically, his powers weren't taken away. He just went back to his human state.
thee great one
05-03-2006, 09:31 PM
It was stupid to take Bobby's powers away from him. Stupider to give them back, but they never should've taken them in the first place.
This is the first time that I agree with you.
This is the first time that I agree with you.
Again, they weren't "taken away". All that was done was revert him back into his human state for a brief time. It only appeared that they were taken away as part of the story.
thee great one
05-03-2006, 09:40 PM
Again, they weren't "taken away". All that was done was revert him back into his human state for a brief time. It only appeared that they were taken away as part of the story.
It's bad excuse and it was poor excution. They could of done it a different way.
It's bad excuse and it was poor excution. They could of done it a different way.
That, I will agree with you.
But...at the same time I don't care because he's no longer in his ice state 24/7.
Planet-man
05-28-2006, 03:42 PM
On IGN's list of the Top 25 X-Men of all time (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p1.html), it mentions that Bobby is one of the rare Omega Mutants, potentially more powerful than both Xavier and Magneto.
?
I'd never heard of this before. How could he possibly be THAT powerful? It also says that chances are he'll never fully tap into that power because he lacks faith in himself.
Can anyone who knows about this please shed light on how the ability to freeze water is better than being able to control Earth's magnetic field?
Merged with an existing Iceman thread.
And yes, Iceman is an Omega level mutant. He's been bumped up exponentially due to Xavier and Magnero no loner being mutants and Jean again dead.
Dr_Draco
05-28-2006, 03:56 PM
Well, I dunno about Iceman's entry, but I do know that Quicksilver's entry is incorrect. His first appearance was in Uncanny X-Men #4 not #1
Planet-man
05-28-2006, 05:24 PM
And yes, Iceman is an Omega level mutant. He's been bumped up exponentially due to Xavier and Magnero no loner being mutants and Jean again dead.
So his powers aren't actually that great, they're just more favourable now that the main people more powerful than him are now powerless?
I didn't know Omega statuses were all relative.
So his powers aren't actually that great, they're just more favourable now that the main people more powerful than him are now powerless?
I didn't know Omega statuses were all relative.
Oh no, no, no. His powers are EXTREMLY powerful...when used the right way. He was already one of THE most powerful mutants on earth, but now instead of say being #7, he now could be #3, for example.
His power is really great, but with his choice of how to use them, he hasn't discovered his full potential. In AoA, we found out that he's able to even bend himself like a snake with his powers in his ice form. We sall a small potential of what he can do in Uncanny X-Men #315, when Emma Frost's conciousness was in his. He's able to travel at...I think it was like light speed in water. Something like that. I don't remember the exact explanation.
Planet-man
05-28-2006, 06:44 PM
Oh no, no, no. His powers are EXTREMLY powerful...when used the right way. He was already one of THE most powerful mutants on earth, but now instead of say being #7, he now could be #3, for example.
His power is really great, but with his choice of how to use them, he hasn't discovered his full potential. In AoA, we found out that he's able to even bend himself like a snake with his powers in his ice form. We sall a small potential of what he can do in Uncanny X-Men #315, when Emma Frost's conciousness was in his. He's able to travel at...I think it was like light speed in water. Something like that. I don't remember the exact explanation.
Well that's what I was asking in the first place.
So lightspeed, huh? How the heck could he do that? And what about his size and strength when he adds ice to himself, like is there a limit to that?
So lightspeed, huh? How the heck could he do that?
Like I said, I can't remember the exact explanation, but it has to do with somthing with his molecules and combining it with the waters...I can't really remember.
And what about his size and strength when he adds ice to himself, like is there a limit to that?
He can keep adding on as much as he wants as long as there is enough moisture in the air, or water around. Like in one of Austen's arc, Iceman became about 20 feet tall or so with the water of a nearby lake.
TheManWithoutFear
05-29-2006, 01:02 AM
Iceman kicked *** in X3
There's my contribution to this thread
Iceman kicked *** in X3
There's my contribution to this thread
:lol:
Good one at that.
Victor Von Doom
05-29-2006, 07:42 AM
The "Ice-Up" in X3 was just too much for me. When I saw it and it didn't look stupid----the movie couldn't end quick enough so I could get outta there and change my pants.
The "Ice-Up" in X3 was just too much for me. When I saw it and it didn't look stupid----the movie couldn't end quick enough so I could get outta there and change my pants.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.... :scared:
Victor Von Doom
05-29-2006, 10:30 AM
I plead the fifth..... :oops:
Iceshadow
05-30-2006, 10:54 PM
On IGN's list of the Top 25 X-Men of all time (http://comics.ign.com/articles/708/708826p1.html), it mentions that Bobby is one of the rare Omega Mutants, potentially more powerful than both Xavier and Magneto.
?
I'd never heard of this before. How could he possibly be THAT powerful? It also says that chances are he'll never fully tap into that power because he lacks faith in himself.
Can anyone who knows about this please shed light on how the ability to freeze water is better than being able to control Earth's magnetic field?
There was another thread on the site where I posted an article about Bobby's Omega potential...
**Edit: Ha! It was in the thread called Iceman...
For those who don't wanna track it down (http://www.thekeep.org/~tls/omega-bob.htm)
The "Ice-Up" in X3 was just too much for me. When I saw it and it didn't look stupid----the movie couldn't end quick enough so I could get outta there and change my pants.
Biggest fangasim of the movie.8)
Planet-man
05-31-2006, 12:38 AM
Agreed, although the Sentinel was right up there.:drooling:
Planet-man
05-31-2006, 12:44 AM
There was another thread on the site where I posted an article about Bobby's Omega potential...
**Edit: Ha! It was in the thread called Iceman...
For those who don't wanna track it down (http://www.thekeep.org/~tls/omega-bob.htm)
Wow, that's awesome! I love reading that kind of article about the science of superpowers and how they actually work. Did that guy ever write another one about Juggernaut?
Random
05-31-2006, 12:55 AM
Wow, that's awesome! I love reading that kind of article about the science of superpowers and how they actually work. Did that guy ever write another one about Juggernaut?
I'm pretty good at explaining super powers scientifically. But Juggernaunt is prettyt much magic alowa him to forego Newton's law (forget which one) where every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction by producing a magical force field when he is in motion
Planet-man
06-17-2006, 01:47 AM
You know that commercial where the guy in the taxi eats all those Dentyne FrostBites and then freezes solid and his held falls off into the girl's lap?
That came on today and I started laughing my *** off even though I've seen it a hundred times before, because I randomly thought how funny it would be if that were Iceman and he likes to play that prank on people he's just met.
Iceshadow
06-17-2006, 03:15 AM
You know that commercial where the guy in the taxi eats all those Dentyne FrostBites and then freezes solid and his held falls off into the girl's lap?
That came on today and I started laughing my *** off even though I've seen it a hundred times before, because I randomly thought how funny it would be if that were Iceman and he likes to play that prank on people he's just met.
That would be pretty funny, but when was the last time Iceman was shown pranking someone? I miss that, there was too much angst with Lorna around, though she is gone now...
You know that commercial where the guy in the taxi eats all those Dentyne FrostBites and then freezes solid and his held falls off into the girl's lap?
That came on today and I started laughing my *** off even though I've seen it a hundred times before, because I randomly thought how funny it would be if that were Iceman and he likes to play that prank on people he's just met.
Yeah, I love that commercial. It would be awesome for Iceman to do that. And to bring back his prankness, too.
iceman
06-19-2006, 12:22 AM
That would be pretty funny, but when was the last time Iceman was shown pranking someone? I miss that, there was too much angst with Lorna around, though she is gone now...
fo real. and who knows what he will be in the new book, with all the serious villains around.
seriously, adjectiveless x-men should just be the X-PR squad, consisting of Iceman, Nightcrawler, Cannonball, and Juggernaut. and the entire concept of the book is them just being the PR squad. it makes sense, with astonishing's goal of making them heroes. in the meantime, when they are scheduling Wolverine radio appearances and White Queen burlesque shows, they can have fun hitting on women in bars and pranking each other. X-sitcom!
Iceshadow
06-19-2006, 02:08 AM
fo real. and who knows what he will be in the new book, with all the serious villains around.
seriously, adjectiveless x-men should just be the X-PR squad, consisting of Iceman, Nightcrawler, Cannonball, and Juggernaut. and the entire concept of the book is them just being the PR squad. it makes sense, with astonishing's goal of making them heroes. in the meantime, when they are scheduling Wolverine radio appearances and White Queen burlesque shows, they can have fun hitting on women in bars and pranking each other. X-sitcom!
Who wouldn't want to see this?
Best idea ever.
So Iceman and Mystique.
I'd much prefer Iceman and Lady Mastermind. They seem like a better match than Iceman and Mystique, though them two will be interesting to see.
Who wouldn't want to see this?
Best idea ever.
Still is.
Iceshadow
02-22-2007, 05:03 PM
So Iceman and Mystique.
I'd much prefer Iceman and Lady Mastermind. They seem like a better match than Iceman and Mystique, though them two will be interesting to see.
Wait, they are getting together, I thought I was just CPR that one time? Thats sucks he's got both Wolverine's and Sabertooth's sloppy seconds, God she's like four times his age.
I agree though, I would rather see the Bobster with Lady Mastermind.
Joe Kalicki
02-22-2007, 05:05 PM
How does Nightcrawler feel about Iceman dating his mom?
Wait, they are getting together, I thought I was just CPR that one time? Thats sucks he's got both Wolverine's and Sabertooth's sloppy seconds, God she's like four times his age.
I agree though, I would rather see the Bobster with Lady Mastermind.
Yeah, Mike Carey said he's hooking them up together and we'll see more of that in #199 and #200.
marvelman
02-22-2007, 05:16 PM
How does Nightcrawler feel about Iceman dating his mom?
:sick:
ProjectX2
02-22-2007, 05:19 PM
Iceman and Mystique are a horrible match.
How does Nightcrawler feel about Iceman dating his mom?
He doesn't even know! I'd like to see what he thinks about it.
Victor Von Doom
02-22-2007, 05:33 PM
How does Nightcrawler feel about Iceman dating his mom?
MILF HUNTER!
Seriously....this all goes back to Baxter's 616 Inbreeding comment. How does the people not have 6 toes and the IQ of a tree stump?
TwilightEL
02-22-2007, 05:42 PM
MILF HUNTER!
Seriously....this all goes back to Baxter's 616 Inbreeding comment. How does the people not have 6 toes and the IQ of a tree stump?
Where did Baxter talk about inbreeding?
Victor Von Doom
02-22-2007, 05:45 PM
Where did Baxter talk about inbreeding?
This was a while back. I think during the Magical arc of UXM. Kirkman was previewing Cable and was talking about how he wasn't gonna be related to anyone.
Baxter made a comment to that effect. But it's true. The people of the X-verse are so inbred. I mean who isn't a "duncle"?
thee great one
02-22-2007, 07:13 PM
The Real Iceman (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1709914808)
The Real Iceman (http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1709914808)
Your brother sent me that on myspace.
Bastards. :shifty:
thee great one
02-22-2007, 07:24 PM
Your brother sent me that on myspace.
Bastards. :shifty:
I know.
Iceshadow
02-22-2007, 08:28 PM
MILF HUNTER!
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Iceman is now stronger. Smarter. Faster. More durable.
No seriously, see (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/icycleman/IcemanPowerGrid.jpg
As you can see, the blue are the official ratings, so those count. This now means that:
Iceman is smarter. He's at the gifted level, but he's not actually gifted intellengence like Professor X.
Iceman is has grown stronger and is within the 25-75 ton range.
He can now go up to a or around supersonic: Mach-2 speed (Probably when he could travel within the waters. Or maybe on his iceslide, not sure. I believe he traveled faster in the water, actually).
I'm actually not sure on the durability. He may have always been at the Superhuman level (6), but I can't remember right now.
His energy projection has gone up I think just one level. I don't see how fans think he can project every kind of energy which is what level 7 is.
Now Iceman seems to be a master of a single form of combat. Before he was at level 3, where he only had some training. Seems he got a lot more.
He also used an ice clone in the last issue of X-Men, something that he hasn't done in a long, long time. I'm glad Carey is doing all this awesome stuff with his powers, something previous writers neglected a lot.
Fuzzy Birds
10-15-2007, 12:16 PM
Iceman is now stronger. Smarter. Faster. More durable.
No seriously, see (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Iceman):
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v647/icycleman/IcemanPowerGrid.jpg
As you can see, the blue are the official ratings, so those count. This now means that:
Iceman is smarter. He's at the gifted level, but he's not actually gifted intellengence like Professor X.
Iceman is has grown stronger and is within the 25-75 ton range.
He can now go up to a or around supersonic: Mach-2 speed (Probably when he could travel within the waters. Or maybe on his iceslide, not sure. I believe he traveled faster in the water, actually).
I'm actually not sure on the durability. He may have always been at the Superhuman level (6), but I can't remember right now.
His energy projection has gone up I think just one level. I don't see how fans think he can project every kind of energy which is what level 7 is.
Now Iceman seems to be a master of a single form of combat. Before he was at level 3, where he only had some training. Seems he got a lot more.
He also used an ice clone in the last issue of X-Men, something that he hasn't done in a long, long time. I'm glad Carey is doing all this awesome stuff with his powers, something previous writers neglected a lot.
I really do like Iceman as a character, he's always been one of my favourite X-Men, but those stats seem a bit ridiculous. Durability, Energy Projection, Speed and Strength are fine, but the Intelligence and Fighting Skills seem way overboard.
I really do like Iceman as a character, he's always been one of my favourite X-Men, but those stats seem a bit ridiculous. Durability, Energy Projection, Speed and Strength are fine, but the Intelligence and Fighting Skills seem way overboard.
I'm actually curious about those two myself, as well. Although I wouldn't say they're overboard...well, for fighting anyways.
But I guess the way the writers have explained the power grid before is that even though they're in that range where you go "WTF?! HOW?!" it doesn't mean they are. Which would be like I said for intelligence. He's gotten smarter, so he's above learned, but he's not gifted like Professor X. That would mean he's in the middle, and they don't have a middlge ground, so they "round up".
I know you like him and I don't mean to insult you, but those numbers are effin' ridiculous.
I know you like him and I don't mean to insult you, but those numbers are effin' ridiculous.
How so? :?
I already explained the intelligence. The others match because he is stronger with his ice powers.
The fighting, that's just my guess in where I explained.
thee great one
10-15-2007, 02:53 PM
Who's Iceman?
Iceshadow
10-15-2007, 03:27 PM
Sweet.
How so? :?
All he does is freeze water...
Victor Von Doom
10-15-2007, 04:32 PM
All he does is freeze water...
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Perfect repsonse. In a nutshell.
All he does is freeze water...
You're not serious...are you? :?
Iceshadow
10-15-2007, 04:46 PM
All he does is freeze water...
Which is a common substance in pretty much everything, if he was a killer he could kill every hero by freezing the blood in their bodies.
Which is a common substance in pretty much everything, if he was a killer he could kill every hero by freezing the blood in their bodies.
He did that to Emma Frost once. Almost killed her then. He can also bring upon the next ice age.
There's a lot more things he can do than just "freeze water." :?
Fuzzy Birds
10-15-2007, 04:49 PM
Which is a common substance in pretty much everything, if he was a killer he could kill every hero by freezing the blood in their bodies.
Not only that, but he freezes the moisture in the air itself by absorbing the ambient heat. I always found it a bit strange that he couldn't work his powers the other way, and 'create' fire.
There's a lot more things he can do than just "freeze water."
Isn't he an Omega level mutant?
Isn't he an Omega level mutant?
Yes, he is. One of the most powerful mutants alive.
Iceshadow
10-15-2007, 04:52 PM
Not only that, but he freezes the moisture in the air itself by absorbing the ambient heat.
True.
I always found it a bit strange that he couldn't work his powers the other way, and 'create' fire.
Comic nerds would have strokes, plus he'd be too powerful and someone would have to kill him.
Isn't he an Omega level mutant?
Yep!
Fuzzy Birds
10-15-2007, 04:59 PM
Comic nerds would have strokes, plus he'd be too powerful and someone would have to kill him.
By that rationale, the Sentry should have been terminated long ago. Fingers crossed anyway.
Iceshadow
10-15-2007, 05:03 PM
By that rationale, the Sentry should have been terminated long ago. Fingers crossed anyway.
Isn't he crazy? That kind of balances out.
But really that is more of an X-Men thing, what with Phoenix and all.
bluebeast
10-15-2007, 07:45 PM
Ok I don't believe the credibility of these little 'statistics' for the heroes because Bobby's listed as a better fighter and smarter than Cyclops. No way that's right.
SSJmole
10-15-2007, 07:48 PM
Where's the "The Venom thread" ? :P
Ok I don't believe the credibility of these little 'statistics' for the heroes because Bobby's listed as a better fighter and smarter than Cyclops. No way that's right.
That's odd. I wouldn't take credit away (and not because it's Iceman) but there's the chance Cyclops might not have been updated?
These guys (X-Men) are due for an update in the Handbook anyways. I bet that'll happen after Messiah Complex. Things could be corrected there.
And then again, Cyclops is listed as a level projection of 6, when he really can't do much with energy projection. He's really a 3 or 4 (possibly 3). Yeah, these guys need an update.
Where's the "The Venom thread" ? :P
It's over there by the garbage can. No wait, IN it. Sorry.
bluebeast
10-15-2007, 08:06 PM
Where's the "The Venom thread" ? :P
That just redirects you to crappy 90's thread.
oooo burn.
SSJmole
10-15-2007, 08:11 PM
That just redirects you to crappy 90's thread.
oooo burn.
but he was out in the 80's HA (1988 ) N00B!!!!!!!:lol:
You're not serious...are you? :?
Totally.
And the "there's water in everything" idea is crap. Characters need limitations to struggle against to make them interesting. Read this article (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041001092832.htm). Now after reading that, why shouldn't Magneto be able to rip Hawaii up out of the ocean and drop it on Washington DC and take over the world? I'll answer for you - because it's ridiculous.
This kind of thing is exactly why I cannot read any X-books. I don't see how anyone can.
bluebeast
10-15-2007, 10:53 PM
but he was out in the 80's HA (1988 ) N00B!!!!!!!:lol:
And he was ok for two years. But let's get back on topic of how Iceman is way to overpowered.
thee great one
10-15-2007, 11:13 PM
Totally.
And the "there's water in everything" idea is crap. Characters need limitations to struggle against to make them interesting. Read this article (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041001092832.htm). Now after reading that, why shouldn't Magneto be able to rip Hawaii up out of the ocean and drop it on Washington DC and take over the world? I'll answer for you - because it's ridiculous.
This kind of thing is exactly why I cannot read any X-books. I don't see how anyone can.
Because that would be straining for his powers? There are limits to his powers.
You don't read X-men so you don't know.
Iceshadow
10-15-2007, 11:44 PM
Totally.
And the "there's water in everything" idea is crap. Characters need limitations to struggle against to make them interesting.
There was an article I linked to earlier in this thread that gave a cool explanation for his powers that didn't involve massive amounts of moisture. However, most living beings do contain water so he could kill anybody, but he is a hero and has no desire to do that, so it's up to him to restrain himself.
Because that would be straining for his powers? There are limits to his powers.
You don't read X-men so you don't know.
There was an article I linked to earlier in this thread that gave a cool explanation for his powers that didn't involve massive amounts of moisture. However, most living beings do contain water so he could kill anybody, but he is a hero and has no desire to do that, so it's up to him to restrain himself.
Weak.
thee great one
10-16-2007, 02:05 AM
And this applies to X-men only?
....
I don't know what your beef is. You are over-simplifying.
You are so cynical.
And this applies to X-men only?
Not at all. But this is the Iceman thread, and it was in direct response to an image that was posted. It's not like I just came out of left field with something off-topic.
thee great one
10-16-2007, 02:12 AM
I know. But it makes sense for him to being able to freeze moisture in the air of human bodies. But the writers have never defined his powers consistently and that power chart is all sorts of ridiculous.
I don't even like Iceman and I'm defending him.
ProjectX2
10-16-2007, 02:18 AM
I can accept the freezing the moisture in the air, but I don't like him reforming from a single drop of water or whatever. That's about as stupid as Wolverine healing himself from a drop of blood.
I know. But it makes sense for him to being able to freeze moisture in the air of human bodies. But the writers have never defined his powers consistently and that power chart is all sorts of ridiculous.
I don't even like Iceman and I'm defending him.
That's what I mean though; it makes sense on the surface but if you think about it, giving him the ability to do that makes him impossibly powerful. That's what I meant when I made up the Magneto thing...wouldn't you agree that in the same context it would make sense for Magneto to control a HUGE collection of iron under Hawaii? And it doesn't require physical strength for him to lift Hawaii, so why can't he?
I guess more simply put - what is it about Iceman that lets him concentrate and focus his power to be able to separate individual molecules in a human body and freeze them? Because it's not like humans have a bunch of water puddles in their bodies; it's part of each individual cell and in blood and whatnot.
thee great one
10-16-2007, 02:21 AM
That's what I mean though; it makes sense on the surface but if you think about it, giving him the ability to do that makes him impossibly powerful. That's what I meant when I made up the Magneto thing...wouldn't you agree that in the same context it would make sense for Magneto to control a HUGE collection of iron under Hawaii? And it doesn't require physical strength for him to lift Hawaii, so why can't he?
I guess more simply put - what is it about Iceman that lets him concentrate and focus his power to be able to separate individual molecules in a human body and freeze them? Because it's not like humans have a bunch of water puddles in their bodies; it's part of each individual cell and in blood and whatnot.
Yeah I see what your going for.
But the Hawaii thing is extreme. Why doesn't he just crush the entire city of New York at once.
Because he's not THAT powerful.
But the Hawaii thing is extreme. Why doesn't he just crush the entire city of New York at once.
Because he's not THAT powerful.
EXACTLY.
The Hawaii thing IS extreme - but so is the Iceman thing. Both are ridiculous scenarios.
Planet-man
10-16-2007, 02:53 AM
Finally a thread dedicated to the greatest rap star of the greatest decade.
http://www.burningman.com/environment/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/vanilla_ice.jpg
Joe Kalicki
10-16-2007, 02:58 AM
Finally a thread dedicated to the greatest rap star of the greatest decade.
http://www.burningman.com/environment/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/vanilla_ice.jpg
He and Iceman even have the same first name.
Also, Vanilla Ice can lift Hawaii without even trying, in between lighting up the stage and waxing a chump like a candle.
Finally a thread dedicated to the greatest rap star of the greatest decade.
http://www.burningman.com/environment/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/vanilla_ice.jpg
Wonder what that erection is over. Probably MC Hammer.
E, when I have time later, I will explain everything. But Tog is right. You really don't know much about the character and because you don't actually read this, you wouldn't know as much as someone who does.
I'm honest-to-God baffled that you actually think all he can do is freeze water, when that's not even the primary thing his powers are. :roll:
I can accept the freezing the moisture in the air, but I don't like him reforming from a single drop of water or whatever. That's about as stupid as Wolverine healing himself from a drop of blood.
Ugh. Wolverine only healed himself from a drop of blood because of a MAGIC CRYSTAL, not his healing power.
Finally a thread dedicated to the greatest rap star of the greatest decade.
http://www.burningman.com/environment/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/vanilla_ice.jpg
I don't know whether to infract you or ban you.
You don't read X-men so you don't know.
E, when I have time later, I will explain everything. But Tog is right. You really don't know much about the character and because you don't actually read this, you wouldn't know as much as someone who does.
I think the fact that it is so convoluted (like most X-Men plots, characters, and story lines) that I would have to be a lifelong reader of, apparently, several books just to understand his powers says it all.
I think the fact that it is so convoluted (like most X-Men plots, characters, and story lines) that I would have to be a lifelong reader of, apparently, several books just to understand his powers says it all.
Actually, that's not true. When I started reading comics back in 2002, it didn't take me long to understand what I know about Iceman. The X-Men's convoluted history has nothing to do with his powers. They're quite easy to understand. You don't have to have been a long time reader to get his powers because they've ever barely been touched upon as I have said many times before.
I mean, there's a difference between knowing the X-Men's history and knowing about one mutants' power. It's also different if you wanted to read WHERE he has used his powers if you were curious about an aspect of it. There's no convuleted anything about his powers.
Iceman has the ability to freeze things and create things from freezing them. By freezing moisture, he can create almost anything he wants out of ice. That's the basic, layman term way of explaning it of how he can use his powers. There are a couple more things, but as I've said, nothing much has really been done with his powers that would confuse anyone. It seems like, and I'm not trying to offend you, that all your thoughts just seem biased because of your dislike of this part of Marvel.
Actually, that's not true. When I started reading comics back in 2002, it didn't take me long to understand what I know about Iceman. The X-Men's convoluted history has nothing to do with his powers. They're quite easy to understand. You don't have to have been a long time reader to get his powers because they've ever barely been touched upon as I have said many times before.
I mean, there's a difference between knowing the X-Men's history and knowing about one mutants' power. It's also different if you wanted to read WHERE he has used his powers if you were curious about an aspect of it. There's no convuleted anything about his powers.
Iceman has the ability to freeze things and create things from freezing them. By freezing moisture, he can create almost anything he wants out of ice. That's the basic, layman term way of explaning it of how he can use his powers. There are a couple more things, but as I've said, nothing much has really been done with his powers that would confuse anyone. It seems like, and I'm not trying to offend you, that all your thoughts just seem biased because of your dislike of this part of Marvel.
I'm not offended at all. And at the same time, I think you're more apt to accept something good someone says about a character you like even though it sounds...let's say "not right". I mean no offense by that, really.
As far as his power as you explained it:
Iceman has the ability to freeze things and create things from freezing them. By freezing moisture, he can create almost anything he wants out of ice.
That's fine - but explain to me why he is more intelligent than the average Joe X-Man because of it, or why that gives him better fighting abilities. I understand that he can create things out of ice, but that's just it - it's just ice in the shape of an object (it's also ridiculous that he could "shape" something with any amount of detail, but whatever). What is special about that? How on earth does that make him an omega level mutant - on par with Phoenix or Charles Xavier?
Freezing water and controlling water are two very, very different things.
Ultimate Houde
10-16-2007, 10:11 AM
Also, how does this attribute to the fact he can teleport across bodies of water?
I'm not offended at all. And at the same time, I think you're more apt to accept something good someone says about a character you like even though it sounds...let's say "not right". I mean no offense by that, really.
Hey, I think everyone is more apt to accept good comments. :P
That's fine - but explain to me why he is more intelligent than the average Joe X-Man because of it, or why that gives him better fighting abilities.
Hey, I don't know myself. I was actually surprised by it. But being smarter doesn't make him a better fighter or give him better abilities to fight. No one said that.
As I've tried to explain as my best guest, it would be like Stuart has explained the power grid before. He may be smarter now, and for whatever reason they have put him in the gifted area (I think really he should be in the LEARNED category, a 3) but it doesn't mean he's as smart as an actual gifted person.
I understand that he can create things out of ice, but that's just it - it's just ice in the shape of an object (it's also ridiculous that he could "shape" something with any amount of detail, but whatever).
When he does things, they may be "just ice in the shape of an object" but ice can be very hard and hurt. Especially when it's very thick. As for the detail, eh. Nothing to really go on about.
What is special about that? How on earth does that make him an omega level mutant - on par with Phoenix or Charles Xavier?
If all he could do was just create things out of ice, he wouldn't be an omega level mutant. He is one because Iceman (like Storm) can also start a snow storm that could turn into a raveging blizzard. He has enough power and "material" to work with that he could bring upon the next ice age. Phoenix isn't a mutant. Unless you're referring to Jean Grey. He can be on par because he can be a very dangerous mutant.
Freezing water and controlling water are two very, very different things.
Who says he can control water? I mean, not in the sense as he could make it rise up with a thought or anything.
Also, how does this attribute to the fact he can teleport across bodies of water?
He doesn't (and can't) teleport across bodies of water. He can travel very, very fast in them, but not telteport. I don't really remember much, but I do remember it was shown in Uncanny X-Men #...315 or so. When Emma Frost was trapped in his mind, she somehow was able to tap into his power and do what Bobby thinks he lacks at.
Fuzzy Birds
10-16-2007, 11:22 AM
E, I think the best way to get across just how powerful Iceman is/could be, is to break it down to the fundamentals. He essentially has control over ambient energy. So he can 'create' ice, but what does that mean? That means that in a fraction of a second, he can absorb enough ambient heat from an area to make the molecules themselves freeze. I don't think even Bishop can do anything that quick, and his sole mutant power is energy absorption.
This is a much more apt way of putting it:
According to the laws of thermodynamics, cold is defined as the absence of heat. Therefore, Iceman does not actually emanate cold, but rather absorbs and dispels heat. Since heat is a form of energy, Iceman's power can be defined as a psionic ability to manipulate thermal energy.
On top of that, when in ice form he's pretty much invulnerable in the same way Wolverine is, as he can regenerate any part of his body. He's essentially a shape shifter in this form as well.
But the most important point is that he still isn't YET one of the most powerful mutants. A recurring theme with Bobby is his insecurity, holding him back from reaching his potential.
Who says he can control water?
Well, you kind of did. He can start a snow storm but that doesn't mean he has any control over it, like where it moves to or anything.
As far as creating the next ice age, that's kind of silly. I mean there are a lot of characters that can do things on a large scale if they don't face any opposition. Wolverine is the best at what he does - killing. He could theoretically kill everyone on the planet. See where I'm going with this?
Well, you kind of did. He can start a snow storm but that doesn't mean he has any control over it, like where it moves to or anything.
Yes, I said he could start one, I never said he could control it.
As far as creating the next ice age, that's kind of silly. I mean there are a lot of characters that can do things on a large scale if they don't face any opposition. Wolverine is the best at what he does - killing. He could theoretically kill everyone on the planet. See where I'm going with this?
Actually, no. I don't see the what's the same. I mean, it's possible for him to actually do it. Not right now though, in his current state of power, but it is a possibilty.
I mean, it's possible for him to actually do it. Not right now though, in his current state of power, but it is a possibilty.
So...he can't actually do it...:?
So...he can't actually do it...:?
He can't create one now, no. But it's been stated that he can do it in the future when he has more power. If I didn't say that before, sorry, that's what I meant. He could start a snow storm, but not an ice age in this point and time.
Hibiki
10-16-2007, 12:39 PM
Wolverine killing the planet would be awesome. And the last two people on earth are him and Punisher. Punisher FTW
Here is why Iceman is stronger:
In normal human form, he has the strength, agility, and durability of a typical athletic male of his size. In his ice-form, his strength and durability were enhanced. When Frost gave up her mind control, Iceman was not able to duplicate what she had done with his own powers, although he now realized that he could push his powers to even greater ends.
ourchair
10-16-2007, 12:48 PM
So...he can't actually do it...:?Actually he can, but only under certain conditions as outlined by the Marvel Super-Heroes Advanced RPG Judge's Manual. See, while every superpower has limitations bound by the ruleset, every character --- player-controlled or otherwise --- can theoretically extend their powers according to the Power Stunt system. By accumulating Karma from performing superheroic deeds, (i.e. saving lives, acting in character) the player can expend those to create new skills that somehow derive themselves from the base ideas laid down by the superpower in question. For example, Reed Richards expanded the limits of his powers from mere stretching to Shape-Shifting. Or when Henry Pym used his powers to perform cunnilingus on his wife. Another good example is when Spider-Man accumulates enough skill so as to be able to use his web-shooters to create simple objects. One can assume that if he spends enough karma he could create an Ultimate Nullifier out of webbing.
So one could hypothetically assume that if Iceman accumulates enough karma to spend on power stunts he could become Bergelmir the Frost Giant.
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