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TheManWithoutFear
04-27-2005, 01:26 PM
That's more like it!
Kick *** action scene continuing Cap. Mar-vell's fight with the Killform. Then badass Fury interrogation scene and to the UFF where Reed is already solving the problem as to why the Drake Equation calls for more alien species but none of them seem to be showing up.
Still don't seem to be any powers from Carol Danvers and she doesn't know about Captain Mar-vell, neither did Fury. Mar-vell's mission was to watch Earth die because they know Galactus is coming.
I'm also glad he put a stop to the humans saying "Cree" instead of "Kree". It was really bothering me and I can't wait till they start saying "Galactus".
All in all awesome issue and the last panel was priceless. Still my only complaint is that it all takes place inbetween Vol. 1 and 2 of The Ultimates... oh well. Good read anyway.
I say this was an okay issue. I dont know where the Drake equation is from, but it's funny how Sue related to what is happening right now. I wanna see how Mahr Vehl is gonna escape. But the funny thing was Johnny and Ben in the Baxter Building. Cant wait to read the next one.
TheManWithoutFear
04-27-2005, 04:30 PM
Wasn't Mar-vell trying to help the human race?
Does anyone else think that Danvers might be more than meets the eye. I know it's wild but the interrogation looks kind of... playful... I just don't know. Maybe she's secretly working with Mar-vell. Can someone tell me issue 1 said their relationship was like prior to this event?
All in all awesome issue and the last panel was priceless. Still my only complaint is that it all takes place inbetween Vol. 1 and 2 of The Ultimates... oh well. Good read anyway.
I actually understand it taking place between Vol 1 and Vol 2 for a few reasons. First of all. . .I think ALL of the other books aren't quite up to Ultimates Vol 2 yet. Hell, maybe Secret is right where Spider-man and X-men are right now. And FF is lagging behind a bit. The OTHER thing that makes it fit is in the first or second issue of Ultimates 2, when Quicksilver gets a call to meet up with the rest of the Ultimates he says something to the effect of "What is it now? ANOTHER alien invasion?" suggesting there has been more then one. Chitauri, Kree and Gah Lak Tus himself.
Dr.Strangefate
04-27-2005, 06:43 PM
Ultimate Mahr Vehl is soooo freaking cool....
Yeah...
So SHIELD didnt know about the Kree.... hmmm... there goes my "Kree responsible for supersoldier program" theory. Unless they've had operatives on the same line as Mahr Vehl working in secret.
AWESOME.
AWESOME.
AWESOME.
What a great issue. Why can't Ellis write UFF like this? In half of one issue he's written them better than 3 arcs of their own book.
Everything was great about this - from the continued fight to Mahr Vehl's "confession" to the dialogue between Sue & Reed to the appearance by Thor & Iron Man. What a great book! The pacing couldn't be more perfect and McNiven is brilliant - he draws the best Sue Storm/Richards ever.
I absolutely can't wait for #3 - 2 issues in and this is one of my favorite books.
TheManWithoutFear
04-27-2005, 06:58 PM
I actually understand it taking place between Vol 1 and Vol 2 for a few reasons. First of all. . .I think ALL of the other books aren't quite up to Ultimates Vol 2 yet. Hell, maybe Secret is right where Spider-man and X-men are right now. And FF is lagging behind a bit. The OTHER thing that makes it fit is in the first or second issue of Ultimates 2, when Quicksilver gets a call to meet up with the rest of the Ultimates he says something to the effect of "What is it now? ANOTHER alien invasion?" suggesting there has been more then one. Chitauri, Kree and Gah Lak Tus himself.
Yeah, I understand it happening but still Ultimates 2 just seems to pick up right right after Ultimates 1... yeah, I know it's a year later, but there's no changes in the team or anything to suggest a huge worldwide disaster has struck Earth.
So SHIELD didnt know about the Kree.... hmmm... there goes my "Kree responsible for supersoldier program" theory. Unless they've had operatives on the same line as Mahr Vehl working in secret.
I thought in secret is what you meant the whole time. So you're theory is still working for me.
Jesus, E. Do you need sometime to yourself on this one? :twisted:
Jesus, E. Do you need sometime to yourself on this one? :twisted:
Sorry, I'm just not real used to having a single issue of a larger arc have that perfect balance of action/plot advancement/suspense. The ONLY book that does that on a consistant basis is Ultimates 2.
TheManWithoutFear
04-27-2005, 07:16 PM
Sorry, I'm just not real used to having a single issue of a larger arc have that perfect balance of action/plot advancement/suspense. The ONLY book that does that on a consistant basis is Ultimates 2.
Truth. but actually Ultimates 2 is mostly known for it's story development with nearly no action. I mean the Thor Vs. Ultimates is the only issue we've gotten so far with action.
Truth. but actually Ultimates 2 is mostly known for it's story development with nearly no action. I mean the Thor Vs. Ultimates is the only issue we've gotten so far with action.
"Action" doesn't have to mean fight scenes.
TheManWithoutFear
04-27-2005, 07:24 PM
"Action" doesn't have to mean fight scenes.
That's very deep of you but if that's the case then everything else has action too doesn't it? I'm gonna back out of this convo and get back on topic because my head hurts and thinkin about it confuses me. :crazy:
That's very deep of you
:lol:
but if that's the case then everything else has action too doesn't it?
I should have prefaced that by saying quality action - everything that is happening in Secret logically fits into the grand scheme of things in a clear and easy-to-understand manner. It really could be the same thing as plot advancement, which clearly ain't happening in UFF or USM. Secret already feels like an honest to goodness story, just like Ultimates 2. UFF and USM don't, to me.
I'm gonna back out of this convo
Good idea - me too.
Parthuman
04-27-2005, 08:09 PM
This issue hit on all cylinders for me, too. It was fast, logical, and loaded with playful asides and plenty of smartly played-out action. What I liked best was that it was able to economically sketch a quirky, quite funny personality for ol' Cap Marvel. His alibis -- I'm Spider-Man (thwip) as he was passing out (hilarious), then the convoluted Iron Man wannabe explanation, and finally the Kree defector story. A great and really entertaining take on an old character, which has been the trademark of the whole UU.
But I also share the gripe that this is taking place before Ultimates II, which I found out only a couple weeks ago. It kind of dilutes the impact of what's to come. Maybe Thor will teleport Galactus to Asgard, wiping out the place and further hurting his argument that he's really Thor.
One question: Who is Carol Danvers (wasn't that Supergirl's secret ID?) and why do some people believe she has powers? What powers?
DigiEmissary
04-27-2005, 08:14 PM
This was an amazing issue. Reed/Sue flirting (and some nice shots of Sue :drooling: ), Mahr Vell, Iron Man's dialogue at the end...
Carol Danvers, in the 616, is Ms. Marvel/Binary/Warbird. Her powers were related to the Kree.
Linda Danvers was Supergirl.
moonmaster
04-27-2005, 08:17 PM
I'm picking it up on Saturday (maybe Sunday).
One question: Who is Carol Danvers (wasn't that Supergirl's secret ID?) and why do some people believe she has powers? What powers?
I think Carol Danvers is Ms. Marvel in the 616 universe. Maybe now that she has been promoted to Fury's assistant. She'll be given super powers.
Back to having Danver's knowing that Mahr Vehl was an alien all along... I dont know, but the dialouge between them was hilarious. I cant wait to see the next issue and see the FF interact with Tony and Thor.
One question: Who is Carol Danvers (wasn't that Supergirl's secret ID?) and why do some people believe she has powers? What powers?
In 616, she was Ms. Marvel (She got her powers from a Kree device). She had flight and super strength until Rogue stole them (Which is why Rogue has those powers, incedently). Then, she bacame Binary which was a weaker version of her former alias, and she traveled with the intergalactic hero team The Starjammers. Finally, she bacame Warbird and sh's pretty much back to full strength but can also shoot and absorb energy. Hope that helps!
Oh, and I kind of get the feeling that Danvers might also be a Kree. . .but who knows?
TheManWithoutFear
04-27-2005, 08:23 PM
I'm glad that I'm not the only guy who gets these feelings there's more to Danvers.
Dr.Strangefate
04-27-2005, 08:41 PM
Oh, and I kind of get the feeling that Danvers might also be a Kree. . .but who knows?
The Only panel I got that from was when they zoomed in to both their faces and her eyes were stark turquoise/blue.... the exact color of Mahr Vehl's.
And there is the fact that she didnt really admit to knowing what he was. She said he was an Indian, when it seemed pretty damn clear that he wasn't an Indian, but something a bit more Galactic....
And Captain Marvel is Hot. Just so you guys know. (any girls out there who can back me up on this?)
TheManWithoutFear
04-27-2005, 08:46 PM
The Only panel I got that from was when they zoomed in to both their faces and her eyes were stark turquoise/blue.... the exact color of Mahr Vehl's.
And there is the fact that she didnt really admit to knowing what he was. She said he was an Indian, when it seemed pretty damn clear that he wasn't an Indian, but something a bit more Galactic....The whole conversation just seemed, I dunno, like staged.
And Captain Marvel is Hot. Just so you guys know. (any girls out there who can back me up on this?)
DUDE! :lol:
The Only panel I got that from was when they zoomed in to both their faces and her eyes were stark turquoise/blue.... the exact color of Mahr Vehl's.
And there is the fact that she didnt really admit to knowing what he was. She said he was an Indian, when it seemed pretty damn clear that he wasn't an Indian, but something a bit more Galactic....
The eyes are a dead giveaway. And her "strange" relationship with Mahr Vehl. And of course her connection with the Kree in 616. Hell, her APPEARANCE in this arc alone says something's up with her. . .
wow. I am really enjoying this series so far. questions answered, more questions raised. good writing.
Mar Vehl is great. since he was able to reference The Day the Earth Stood Still , I guess the Kree have been monitering our transmissions for a while huh?
wonder what a regular Kree looks like? and there are 10 alien species on the planet! the ultimate verse continues to expand.
Mar Vehl really has to upgrade that suit. I mean come on, there must be a way to have some spandex on under that thing.
TheManWithoutFear
04-28-2005, 01:30 AM
wonder what a regular Kree looks like? and there are 10 alien species on the planet! the ultimate verse continues to expand.
I'd rather see the Ultimate Universe expand with some heroes and villains and not alien species. It's all appropriate for this trilogy but I don't dig the Alien thing in the Ultimate Universe all together.
big danny d
04-28-2005, 01:36 AM
i thought this issue was really well done, the whole scene between marh vehl and fury had me totally freakin out as i read it on the subway.
and so you guys know, the drake equation is a real equation used in astronomy and it is basically an equation that defines how many planets exist within the universe that would be able to house intelligent life (meaning human being level and anything smarter) its a real equation, 10,000 was a real number, and the only reason i know this is because i just learned this in my astronomy class (talk about timing for my final exam next week... thanks marvel for helping me out)
Nurhachi
04-28-2005, 02:16 AM
In the 616 universe, Captain Marvel was a huge inspiration for Carol
Friday
04-28-2005, 04:28 AM
Hey guys, just because Secret happens before Ultimates 2 doesn't mean that Extinction will.
Honestly, I'm not sure where this is going. We've only got 2 more isses, and other than introducing U Captain Marvel (Who's pretty damn cool) the series doesn't seem to have a whole lot of direction. For this to be its own mini it needs to have some kind of end, and we don't really have a begining. More like a bridge between Nightmare and Extinction. That's going to make me mighty POed when I get the secret TPB and nothing advances the plotlines. Just makes more.
TheManWithoutFear
04-28-2005, 08:22 AM
Hey guys, just because Secret happens before Ultimates 2 doesn't mean that Extinction will.
I thought I heard someone confirm the whole mini was before Ultimates 2. Can someone clarify. If Extinction isn't that would just make this trilogy so much better.
I thought I heard someone confirm the whole mini was before Ultimates 2. Can someone clarify. If Extinction isn't that would just make this trilogy so much better.
I'm pretty sure you're right, but I have nothing to back it up.
My next burning question would be why do the Kree now NOT want the humans to leave Earth? Why do they WANT Galactus to destroy them?
Parthuman
04-28-2005, 12:59 PM
Re the Kree wanting to observe the obliteration of Earth, that seems to be one of the hooks to keep readers on the line. Perhaps they've been observing Galactus through the ages in an effort to figure out how to destroy him, or to keep him sated on planets so he doesn't turn to scarfing down Kreeville.
I also think it would be awesome if "Extinction" came after Ultimates 2 and became the season's Big Event (ala House of Moolah and Infinite Crapfest) of the Ultimate Universe.
I thought I heard someone confirm the whole mini was before Ultimates 2. Can someone clarify. If Extinction isn't that would just make this trilogy so much better.
If you look at the first page of the book. At the bottom of the picture with the space shuttle blowing up there's this *disclaimer* that says the events in this story take place before those in our companion title Ultimates 2... or something like that.
Re the Kree wanting to observe the obliteration of Earth, that seems to be one of the hooks to keep readers on the line.
Yeah, but why go to observe the space program, then prevent it from going anywhere? Humans leaving wouldn't prevent the planet from still being destroyed...
If you look at the first page of the book. At the bottom of the picture with the space shuttle blowing up there's this *disclaimer* that says the events in this story take place before those in our companion title Ultimates 2... or something like that.
I think he meant the ENTIRE trilogy, including Arrival, and in response to an earlier post asking if Arrival was coming post-Ultimates 2.
I remember Millar saying that everything that has to do with the trilogy is before Ultimates 2.
MaxwellSmart
04-28-2005, 01:56 PM
This was a great isssue! :D I couldn't have asked for more in the issue. From what I’ve seen I think that the last two issues will give more background to the Kree and Galactus and show them formulating a plan. Only two things bugged me about this issue. First, how did Captain Mahr Vehl take off the explosive collar when he took off his suit? Second, why are the kree so interested in observing the human race get obliterated by galactus? I'm sure that compared to some of the other races that galactus must have destroyed that humans don't stand much of a chance at all. The only ideas I could come up with were that either the Kree think this encounter will be different than the countless others or that they think that by observing galactus destroy a planet they can learn more about him in hopes of being better armed if they have to fight galactus. As for this encounter with galactus being different it would have to be that he's especially weak now or that they think there is a chance that humans will miraculously defeat galactus. My beat is that they’re here to learn more about galactus and they’re going to see humans pull off some miracle. I just hope they don’t ruin it by having Reed pull some ridiculous laser out of his *** that injures galactus sufficiently for him to leave earth alone.
Parthuman
04-28-2005, 04:30 PM
Yeah, but why go to observe the space program, then prevent it from going anywhere? Humans leaving wouldn't prevent the planet from still being destroyed...
Well, Marvel is a defector, and he saved the propulsion device INSIDE the rocket before it could be blown up. Remember, he gave it to a jeepload of troops and told them to guard it. Thereby saving the space program, if not the actual rocket that was supposed to test the propulsion device.
Well, Marvel is a defector, and he saved the propulsion device INSIDE the rocket before it could be blown up. Remember, he gave it to a jeepload of troops and told them to guard it. Thereby saving the space program, if not the actual rocket that was supposed to test the propulsion device.
Right, but like you pointed out he was a defector - why did the Kree race want to sabotage it?
jtg3885
04-28-2005, 05:17 PM
All I want to know, seeing as how I haven't picked up UFF yet. Is Sue always that... erm... horny?
Dr.Strangefate
04-28-2005, 05:26 PM
Anyone think that perhaps Carol is a higher ranked Kree covert agent?
Like, she's there to make sure Humans can't leave, and now Capt Marvel has basically told her he's defecting to help the humans...
TheManWithoutFear
04-28-2005, 05:29 PM
All I want to know, seeing as how I haven't picked up UFF yet. Is Sue always that... erm... horny?
No and I noticed that too. And if Sue Storm was all on me like that I definitely wouldn't be all about the Drake Equation.
Anyone think that perhaps Carol is a higher ranked Kree covert agent?
Like, she's there to make sure Humans can't leave, and now Capt Marvel has basically told her he's defecting to help the humans...
Interesting theory but why would the program have gotten that far to begin with. I'd like to see it played out where they fell in love and worked together. She's putting up this charade for obvious reasons.
Parthuman
04-28-2005, 05:36 PM
Right, but like you pointed out he was a defector - why did the Kree race want to sabotage it?
As I mentioned earlier--and these are just blue-sky guesses--they could be following Galactus' path to a) figure out how to destroy him or b) make sure the big fella doesn't focus on Kree hangouts. Maybe they're keeping him sated on a steady diet of OTHER planets to protect themselves.
Parthuman
04-28-2005, 05:38 PM
Anyone think that perhaps Carol is a higher ranked Kree covert agent?
Like, she's there to make sure Humans can't leave, and now Capt Marvel has basically told her he's defecting to help the humans...
Yeah! I like that idea, now that I've been schooled in Carol Danvers' background.
TheManWithoutFear
04-28-2005, 05:50 PM
As I mentioned earlier--and these are just blue-sky guesses--they could be following Galactus' path to a) figure out how to destroy him or b) make sure the big fella doesn't focus on Kree hangouts. Maybe they're keeping him sated on a steady diet of OTHER planets to protect themselves.
Both possible. What if Galactus isn't really an intelligent being but just hungry and The Kree are just diverting him. good theory again, parthuman.
ultimatedjf
04-28-2005, 06:18 PM
The artwork in this issue was freakin beautiful.
nigma
04-28-2005, 06:32 PM
I ended up picking it up after all your guys rave reviews 8)
I don't have my UMTU with me, (the messed up FF issue, that doesn't do with any continuity) trying to do this all from memory.
something to do with peter letting loose hideous green things and Reed sending them back with a big gun "thingy" at the end. This could be a try and fix the continuity. By showing how he built the gun……… and maybe even a visit from the green things. :shifty:
Friday
04-28-2005, 07:00 PM
I ended up picking it up after all your guys rave reviews 8)
I don't have my UMTU with me, (the messed up FF issue, that doesn't do with any continuity) trying to do this all from memory.
something to do with peter letting loose hideous green things and Reed sending them back with a big gun "thingy" at the end. This could be a try and fix the continuity. By showing how he built the gun……… and maybe even a visit from the green things. :shifty:
That was the unofficial apperance of Ultimate Skrulls. Doesn't fit, none of it works. And it had H.E.R.B.I.E. so you know its crap. Nothing to do with Ultimate G. Nothing to see here. Move along folks.
nigma
04-28-2005, 07:08 PM
That was the unofficial apperance of Ultimate Skrulls. Doesn't fit, none of it works. And it had H.E.R.B.I.E. so you know its crap. Nothing to do with Ultimate G. Nothing to see here. Move along folks.
can you blame a guy for trying?
All I want to know, seeing as how I haven't picked up UFF yet. Is Sue always that... erm... horny?
She's said things here and there during Ellis's run - she's never been shown to be THAT overt, though.
As I mentioned earlier--and these are just blue-sky guesses--they could be following Galactus' path to a) figure out how to destroy him or b) make sure the big fella doesn't focus on Kree hangouts. Maybe they're keeping him sated on a steady diet of OTHER planets to protect themselves.
I could see that - nice theory.
marvelman
04-28-2005, 07:46 PM
Didn't even think about Danvers. Good theory.
I have a question though (dont get me wrong I LOVED the issue)- why was the killform attacking the shuttle again?
Didn't even think about Danvers. Good theory.
I have a question though (dont get me wrong I LOVED the issue)- why was the killform attacking the shuttle again?
For some unrevealed reason, the Kree determined that humans should not be allowed any opportunity to leave the planet.
Ultimate Venom
04-28-2005, 08:36 PM
One thing that I just cannot accept is that the entire trilogy happens before Ultimates 2. It seems to be that it would just be a very bad judgement call, and would seem to mess up continuity. Then again, I'm not Miller or Ellis, so I guess I'll wait and see. I just hope I haven't seen the last of Vision or Wilson.
Oh, and Hello. I have been lurking about for a while and decided to get involved. Might be posting my original fan fiction corning the Ultimate Masters of Evil.
One thing that I just cannot accept is that the entire trilogy happens before Ultimates 2. It seems to be that it would just be a very bad judgement call, and would seem to mess up continuity. Then again, I'm not Miller or Ellis, so I guess I'll wait and see. I just hope I haven't seen the last of Vision or Wilson.
Oh, and Hello. I have been lurking about for a while and decided to get involved. Might be posting my original fan fiction corning the Ultimate Masters of Evil.
Good to have you posting! Welcome.
I don't think it has screwed up anything continuity wise. Notice they waited to put in the notice in the issue where Thor shows up.
Ultimate Venom
04-28-2005, 08:48 PM
True, but if it was such a world changing event, why hasn't it been mentioned, even in passing? Then again, Fury could have mind-wiped everyone...hm.
TheManWithoutFear
04-28-2005, 09:08 PM
One thing that I just cannot accept is that the entire trilogy happens before Ultimates 2. It seems to be that it would just be a very bad judgement call, and would seem to mess up continuity. Then again, I'm not Miller or Ellis, so I guess I'll wait and see. I just hope I haven't seen the last of Vision or Wilson.
Oh, and Hello. I have been lurking about for a while and decided to get involved. Might be posting my original fan fiction corning the Ultimate Masters of Evil.
Agreed, as I've expressed earlier.
And it's about damn time you started posting I've seen your name sitting idle in that members box for too long without so much as a peep.
Welcome.
Dr.Strangefate
04-28-2005, 09:14 PM
One thing that I just cannot accept is that the entire trilogy happens before Ultimates 2. It seems to be that it would just be a very bad judgement call, and would seem to mess up continuity. Then again, I'm not Miller or Ellis, so I guess I'll wait and see. I just hope I haven't seen the last of Vision or Wilson.
Just keep in mind that Ellis probably wrote these in a clump, and that Ultimate Secret#2 was originally scheduled for January, meaning that we'd be starting Extinction if it were how it was supposed to be... this was planned waaay in advance, and yeah, we just need to keep in mind that this is a delayed series, that would have flowed better with the other comics if it had been released on time....
I blame Hairsine
Ultimate Venom
04-28-2005, 09:24 PM
You know, you could blame Harisine for everything.The death of the pope. The war in iraq. The hair pulling out as I waited for the next issue of Ultimate Nightmare. He bites. And I was NOT idle. For your information I told a random member that I was lurking. Come to think of it..thats kinda creepy.
It makes more sense that it was deylad now that I think of it. Still, not so much as a "Hey did you see that purple thing in a dress? Yeah..that was odd" from anyone makes me wonder a little. If its true that all of it did happen before Ultimates 2, then must I assume that Vision and Sam died fighting Galactus? Hrumph I say. Hrumph
Friday
04-28-2005, 09:26 PM
You know, you could blame Harisine for everything.The death of the pope. The war in iraq. The hair pulling out as I waited for the next issue of Ultimate Nightmare. He bites. And I was NOT idle. For your information I told a random member that I was lurking. Come to think of it..thats kinda creepy.
It makes more sense that it was deylad now that I think of it. Still, not so much as a "Hey did you see that purple thing in a dress? Yeah..that was odd" from anyone makes me wonder a little. If its true that all of it did happen before Ultimates 2, then must I assume that Vision and Sam died fighting Galactus? Hrumph I say. Hrumph
They went rogue, kicking *** and chewing bubblegum acrossed russia. Dead my bum.
TheManWithoutFear
04-28-2005, 09:32 PM
Ultimate Venom good thought. But that would piss a lot of people off.
Ultimate Venom
04-28-2005, 09:35 PM
Oh, me included. But pissing people off seems to sell more issues. Need I say the word Bendis?
TheManWithoutFear
04-28-2005, 09:40 PM
Oh, me included. But pissing people off seems to sell more issues. Need I say the word Bendis?
I can't hate Bendis yet. He's doing to good of a job on Daredevil.
I'll tell you what I do want to see though. Ultron kicking the crap out of the Ultimates and then SHIELD brings in their new weapon on him and it's Vision Vs. Ultron.
Ultimate Venom
04-28-2005, 09:58 PM
Vision Vs. Ultron. No question who would win that one.
Nick Fury. He wins everything.
Vision Vs. Ultron. No question who would win that one.
Nick Fury. He wins everything.
You're going to fit in just fine here. :D
Ultimate Venom
04-28-2005, 10:13 PM
And that, is what scares me more than anything else. 8)
TheManWithoutFear
04-29-2005, 04:01 AM
Vision Vs. Ultron. No question who would win that one.
Nick Fury. He wins everything.
Don't listen to Ultimate E.... You're one of those anti-Nick Fury people aren't you... I suggest you find the poll/thread and vote...
But really Nick Fury's a good guy and not the big "american conspirator" you're hoping for.
Parthuman
04-29-2005, 04:34 PM
Given that the Ultimate Vision has been tied into Galactus now, is it possible that Sam will rebuild the Vision into a certain surfboarding, silver-coated weapon to help protect the Earth?
Parthuman
04-29-2005, 04:36 PM
Then again, Carol Danvers could wind up as the Ultimate Silver Surfer.
ultimatedjf
04-29-2005, 04:39 PM
Sorry I haven't been reading this thread much but: Is Mar Vehl truly a baddie? Is Marvel 616 bad? Cuz until this issue, I basically just assumed anyone with the same name as the company that makes the comics is good. :D
TheManWithoutFear
04-29-2005, 04:50 PM
Sorry I haven't been reading this thread much but: Is Mar Vehl truly a baddie? Is Marvel 616 bad? Cuz until this issue, I basically just assumed anyone with the same name as the company that makes the comics is good. :D
No way is he bad. He's trying to save the human race. Fury just got upset with him because Fury doesn't take ****.
Pietro
04-29-2005, 06:58 PM
Howdy. New here as well.
First, just have to praise this title. Personally, I love almost all things Ellis. Can't help it. But McNiven's art just blows me away. I was recommending Ultimates to my friends, but this series is probably gonna become the one I push now. (Of course, if they're not familiar with Ultimates anyways it'll be hard to follow).
Anyhoo, I missed out on Ultimate Nightmare. I've done as much research as I care to do and know about the Vision and all that, but what I'm wondering, is Vision Kree? Marvel called him a Herald... and I guess that means of Galactus. I'm just confused as to why Galactus would send someone to warn them that he was going to eat them. So is he up there with Firelord and Silver Surfer? In Nightmare, was there anything that could hint at him being a Kree device? That idea kind of intrigues me.
Oh, and if S.H.I.E.L.D. rebuilds him, is he still going to be twice the size of normal humans?
About Carol Danvers: Although the conversation did seem a bit forced, I'm wondering if that had more to do with advancing the story than her being a double-agent. She forced Marvel to reveal himself. If they had known each other, I would imagine she would accept one of his excuses so as not to expose herself.
But I'm new here. So I'm probably wrong :wink:
Howdy. New here as well.
First, just have to praise this title. Personally, I love almost all things Ellis. Can't help it. But McNiven's art just blows me away. I was recommending Ultimates to my friends, but this series is probably gonna become the one I push now. (Of course, if they're not familiar with Ultimates anyways it'll be hard to follow).
Anyhoo, I missed out on Ultimate Nightmare. I've done as much research as I care to do and know about the vision and all that, but what I'm wondering, is Vision Kree? Marvel called him a Herald... and I guess that means of Galactus. So is he up there with Firelord and Silver Surfer?
Oh, and S.H.I.E.L.D. rebuilds him, is he still going to be twice the size of normal humans?
About Carol Danvers: Although the conversation did seem a bit forced, I'm wondering if that had more to do with advancing the story than her being a double-agent. She forced Marvel to reveal himself. If they had known each other, I would imagine she would accept one of his excuses so as not to expose herself.
But I'm new here. So I'm probably wrong :wink:
WELCOME! :D
Goodwill
04-29-2005, 07:22 PM
I got the issue at long last and it was certainly worth it... Please, someone please make me an avatar of either Reed Richards from this issue or the Thor at the end...
The art was phenominal! I really like how McNiven ticks... He's got the most detail in one miniscule panel I've ever seen and fills the larger ones with plenty of all that good stuff, too. He's got a very good thing going on and I only hope he can keep up with it.
Now, for the story. Very interesting tie-in, however, I thought the tie in kind of fell flat. Where can this go after all of this? What does Fury have in mind for the Fantastic Four, Thor, and Iron Man? Some questions we need to consider... Where's Captain when we need a speculation thread made? ;) Knowing him, he would've made it three months early.
Anyway, what's the deal with the Native American deal... Did Warren Ellis just call that race of people aliens in the UU? What's going on?
Dr.Strangefate
04-29-2005, 07:28 PM
Anyway, what's the deal with the Native American deal... Did Warren Ellis just call that race of people aliens in the UU? What's going on?
Cree is a tribe of Native Americans
Kree (the Aliens), and Cree (the Humans) are Homonyms
Goodwill
04-29-2005, 07:29 PM
Right, words that sound the same...
So, there is no connection? Just Fury showing off his ignorance, right?
Pietro
04-29-2005, 07:31 PM
<beat me to it, strangefate>
First, Cree is actually a tribe of native americans. When Marvel said "Kree", Danvers heard "Cree". Nice little joke. Made me giggle.
Deuce, the way I saw it, Thor and Iron Man are just the FF's escorts. I'm certain the rest of the Ultimates will be there next issue. Fury called in the FF because (assuming this takes place after the N-Zone thing, maybe) the FF have knowledge of extra-terrestrials. They have a super genius in Reed. If there were a gigantic alien invasion coming, I would probably get a bunch of the smart dudes together. And hey, if they had super-powers, they'd be the first I'd call, right?
TheManWithoutFear
04-29-2005, 07:44 PM
Deuce, the way I saw it, Thor and Iron Man are just the FF's escorts. I'm certain the rest of the Ultimates will be there next issue. Fury called in the FF because (assuming this takes place after the N-Zone thing, maybe) the FF have knowledge of extra-terrestrials. They have a super genius in Reed. If there were a gigantic alien invasion coming, I would probably get a bunch of the smart dudes together. And hey, if they had super-powers, they'd be the first I'd call, right?
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Pietro
04-29-2005, 07:51 PM
I am new, and thanks to both you and Ice. This place seems great. I've been lurking for a few days. Alot of other message boards totally attack new members for some reason, so I was a bit hesitant to register, but whatever. I want to talk about comics. And this place seems like a good place to do it.
And I have a question. We mainly talk about Ultimate comics here, of course. Is there a sister message board where the mainline Marvel comics are discussed? Or is this kind of a separate entity type thing?
You can discuss both Ultimate comics and non-ultimate comics all in this board. Just look at the Discussion forum to see where to discuss the comic you want to talk about.
moonmaster
04-29-2005, 07:58 PM
I am new, and thanks to both you and Ice. This place seems great. I've been lurking for a few days. Alot of other message boards totally attack new members for some reason, so I was a bit hesitant to register, but whatever. I want to talk about comics. And this place seems like a good place to do it.
And I have a question. We mainly talk about Ultimate comics here, of course. Is there a sister message board where the mainline Marvel comics are discussed? Or is this kind of a separate entity type thing?
GET THE HELL OFF OF THIS SITE RIGHT NOW, OR I'LL COME TO YOUR HOUSE AND KICK YOUR ***!....just kidding. WELCOME!!! Everybody is pretty nice here. Except for Bass. Try to avoid him at all costs.
Dr.Strangefate
04-29-2005, 08:03 PM
And TheManWithoutFear is pretty scary... but he only bites if you provoke him...
Howdy. New here as well.
Welcome! :D
is Vision Kree? Marvel called him a Herald... and I guess that means of Galactus.
Yeah, but not like the heralds in 616. In 616 they work for Galactus to scout out new planets - Vision was running ahead of Galactus to warn the planet so they could prepare to defend themselves.
Fredrik Martinsson
04-29-2005, 08:49 PM
Anybody thought about that the Kree wants us (the humans) on this planet as bait for the big G? Ultimate G maybe just don't feed upon planets but all lifeforms that exist on them too (and maybe is even drawn to planets with intelligent life) and that's why they are trying to stop us from leaving the planet.
Goodwill
04-29-2005, 09:29 PM
<beat me to it, strangefate>
First, Cree is actually a tribe of native americans. When Marvel said "Kree", Danvers heard "Cree". Nice little joke. Made me giggle.
Deuce, the way I saw it, Thor and Iron Man are just the FF's escorts. I'm certain the rest of the Ultimates will be there next issue. Fury called in the FF because (assuming this takes place after the N-Zone thing, maybe) the FF have knowledge of extra-terrestrials. They have a super genius in Reed. If there were a gigantic alien invasion coming, I would probably get a bunch of the smart dudes together. And hey, if they had super-powers, they'd be the first I'd call, right?
I guess you're right... Are we expecting fighting and stuff in the next two issues?
Friday
04-29-2005, 09:43 PM
I am new, and thanks to both you and Ice. This place seems great. I've been lurking for a few days. Alot of other message boards totally attack new members for some reason, so I was a bit hesitant to register, but whatever. I want to talk about comics. And this place seems like a good place to do it.
And I have a question. We mainly talk about Ultimate comics here, of course. Is there a sister message board where the mainline Marvel comics are discussed? Or is this kind of a separate entity type thing?
As has been said, we've got boards for both Ultimate and Mainline Marvel.
I've been trying to get boards for non-marvel series, or atleast a Vertigo board since alot of the people here have been turned onto them, but no luck so far. :(
TheManWithoutFear
04-30-2005, 02:16 AM
I guess you're right... Are we expecting fighting and stuff in the next two issues?
I don't see any reason for a fight... maybe if more Kree show up. How many more issues till this arc is up?
I don't see any reason for a fight... maybe if more Kree show up. How many more issues till this arc is up?
Just 2, which is why it's so baffling that it's taking 3 months for the next one.
Goodwill
04-30-2005, 09:30 AM
Well is the Kree Killform the only kind of Kree? From reading this issue and the last, I didn't think so.
But it's entirely possible that there will be more fighting because the Kree will probably get upset with Marvel for screwing with their plans. We'll have to "stay tuned", though.
Well is the Kree Killform the only kind of Kree?
From my understanding it is a Kree weapon, not a Kree at all. Mahr Vell is a Kree.
nigma
04-30-2005, 02:58 PM
did anyone pick up on Marh Vell's words right before he destroyed the kill form. (not exact) "my trial-father built you"
TheManWithoutFear
04-30-2005, 03:25 PM
did anyone pick up on Marh Vell's words right before he destroyed the kill form. (not exact) "my trial-father built you"
I don't think anything will come of that. But might just show some of Mar-vell's lineage. Maybe show us how respected he is in Kree society.
Parthuman
04-30-2005, 08:19 PM
I said this earlier half in jest, but the whole Carol Danvers info flood gave me an idea. MwoF said the conversation -- the infamous Cree Indian conversation -- she had with Fury sounded staged. And others believe Danvers has some Kree connections (not to mention those Kreel-like eyes).
There's obviously some underlying tension between Cap Marvel and Danvers. What if SHE is the herald sent to scout planets for Galactus, or the head of a scout patrol from which Cap Marvel had defected? Is it out of the realm of possibility that she's the Silver Surfer?
I just can't get past the idea that SS will make an appearance, and it'll be a shocker.
TheManWithoutFear
04-30-2005, 08:22 PM
I said this earlier half in jest, but the whole Carol Danvers info flood gave me an idea. MwoF said the conversation -- the infamous Cree Indian conversation -- she had with Fury sounded staged. And others believe Danvers has some Kree connections (not to mention those Kreel-like eyes).
There's obviously some underlying tension between Cap Marvel and Danvers. What if SHE is the herald sent to scout planets for Galactus, or the head of a scout patrol from which Cap Marvel had defected? Is it out of the realm of possibility that she's the Silver Surfer?
I just can't get past the idea that SS will make an appearance, and it'll be a shocker.
Well I had my own theory on Surfer and I really hate the idea of mixing ultimizations like that. I mean really hate the idea of mixer ultimizations. But it's an interesting theory as always. If she was Kree there'd be no way that rocket would be going up though she had all the access to stopping it before the launch.
moonmaster
04-30-2005, 08:38 PM
Got this issue today. I really liked it. Captain Mahr Vell kicked ***. Not only is he a badass alien, but he has a great sense of humor. And the scene with the FF was brilliant too. I'm really interested with what all that Drake equation stuff might have to do with the story. Oh and Johnny and Ben making a still: :lol:
I'm really interested with what all that Drake equation stuff might have to do with the story.
I thought that was pretty well explained. Basically Reed is looking at an equation which should give some clue as to how many alien species there are out there, and wonders why we haven't seen more than just the Chitauri. Right then and ther, he gets the call to deal with a couple new ones.
TheManWithoutFear
05-01-2005, 04:55 AM
I thought that was pretty well explained. Basically Reed is looking at an equation which should give some clue as to how many alien species there are out there, and wonders why we haven't seen more than just the Chitauri. Right then and ther, he gets the call to deal with a couple new ones.
I don't mean to be picky but you know what's out of continuity... Reed doesn't even care about what's goin on in outer space because he's too busy with inner space... ya know what I'm on about?
I don't mean to be picky but you know what's out of continuity... Reed doesn't even care about what's goin on in outer space because he's too busy with inner space... ya know what I'm on about?
No...explain...
TheManWithoutFear
05-01-2005, 01:29 PM
No...explain...
I know that it's normal for Reed to dabble in other projects but right now isn't he working on the whole N-Zone thing? It would've made more sense if he talked about that Drake Equation after Fury had spoken to him. Not make it seem like he was already working on the project that wasn't yet assigned to him. It's just a little nit pick and really doesn't matter though.
I know that it's normal for Reed to dabble in other projects but right now isn't he working on the whole N-Zone thing? It would've made more sense if he talked about that Drake Equation after Fury had spoken to him. Not make it seem like he was already working on the project that wasn't yet assigned to him. It's just a little nit pick and really doesn't matter though.
It really doesn't, especially since we know that this story is in the distant past and what is going on in UFF is current.
TheManWithoutFear
05-01-2005, 03:30 PM
It really doesn't, especially since we know that this story is in the distant past and what is going on in UFF is current.
all right. Just dabbling in the idea a bit.
E, Can we speculate on #3 here?
all right. Just dabbling in the idea a bit.
E, Can we speculate on #3 here?
As it relates to #2, yes.
Goodwill
05-01-2005, 08:16 PM
I'm just wondering what they are going to change to accomodate the Millar stories in UFF.
First of all, Mooney is wrong. I'm a terrific person.
Secondly, Ultimate E is right - action doesn't mean fighting. For example, dialogue is supposed to be verbal actions, not exposition and pointless jibber-jabber.
Thirdly, Captain Mahr Vehl is the greatest superhero who ever lived. You know it's true. Accept it. He is perfect. And he's got a watch that turns him into a superhero.
That is all.
Goodwill
05-06-2005, 09:24 PM
Marvel is certainly one of the more interesting and cooler characters off the bat. He reminds me a lot of Reed Richards, however, I'm sure there are differences there... He seems to have a little Ben in him in terms of what kind of humor he has, which is certainly appreciated from such a heavily written science story.
TheManWithoutFear
05-07-2005, 01:37 AM
Mar-vell is the most unique character in the UU... straight edge wise-***... nothing like anyone else.
Goodwill
05-07-2005, 05:48 PM
Well, yes, you're right, but the way Ellis writes his characters, there are some simularities in their humor, etc.
Gavin Bennett
05-08-2005, 05:55 AM
Hmm. Got my issue on Friday (Ireland is more than a week behind the US). Its kinda odd to think that I will be reading issue #3 in Canada - and around my 31st birthday...gaaaaaaah.
I still can't figure out Carol Danvers. Those eyes are obviously some sort of clue. Those eyes aren't green, they are GREEN!!! She may be a sleeper agent for the Kree. Or maybe its a red herring. Maybe its just a visual thematic link between Captain Marvel and the future Captain Marvel. But the current guy is just too cool and memorable to be killed off and replaced by a female version.
As for mix and match ultimisations...well, if the character is in any way iconic (ie, someone who is identifiable beyond comic book geekdom) then that should not be undertaken lightly. But the "main" Marvel Universe is awash with one trick pony characters who have maybe a cool backstory, or a cool power, or an interesting costume, or hell just a cool name but haven't been developed further. Those guys are prime candidates to be bent, folded, spindled and mutilated into Ultimate characters. In the main Marvel Universe which has produced hundreds, if not thousands, of comic book series, and may well do so into the future, that's ok. Someone might want one of those one trick pony characters. However, the Ultimate line probably will not represent more than twenty or thirty titles in all, meaning a far smaller cast of characters. Most of the "one trick ponies" will never be needed nor referenced. The best they can hope for is someone to melt a few of them down into one character and let him rip for a story arc.
The other thought that is buzzing at the back of my head is that the UU has a terminal point. Eventually, the UU will get roughly to where the 616 universe is now. At that point, Marvel will have to make a choice between continuing the secondary universe, or zapping it. Maybe Ultimate Extinction represents that terminal point. I hope not, I want to see Ultimates Volume 3 at some point :D But its a thought.
Gavin
Patriot Mk2
05-08-2005, 07:54 AM
Hmm. Got my issue on Friday (Ireland is more than a week behind the US).
Dude the stuff is a DAY behind the US,what store are you lookin in?!?!?
The other thought that is buzzing at the back of my head is that the UU has a terminal point. Eventually, the UU will get roughly to where the 616 universe is now. At that point, Marvel will have to make a choice between continuing the secondary universe, or zapping it. Maybe Ultimate Extinction represents that terminal point.
a la 2099 with Manifest Destiny?I severely doubt it,the line makes them too much money.As far as I know 2099 was becoming a liability when it was canned
Goodwill
05-08-2005, 09:41 AM
WHAT IF Carol Danvers is a Kree and Captain Marvel doesn't know it? Interesting...
TheManWithoutFear
05-08-2005, 12:56 PM
WHAT IF Carol Danvers is a Kree and Captain Marvel doesn't know it? Interesting...
Look around the thread someone tossed that idea around a bit back.
Goodwill
05-08-2005, 09:09 PM
Well, as interesting as the idea goes, I'm sure Ellis has a more important agenda to address with this mini and, althought it may include the fact that Captain Marvel now opposes his race and Carol Danvers will fight him because his race goes by the "only the strong survive" deal, but I see no more than that. I don't know... Something has to dethrown Danvers from being Fury's personal assistant before the end of Galactus...
thee great one
05-15-2005, 05:00 AM
I just read it and what can I say that hasn't already been said. This issue was the ****. Did anybody notice that Sue looked a lot like Jessica Alba.
TheManWithoutFear
05-15-2005, 01:12 PM
Did anybody notice that Sue looked a lot like Jessica Alba.
I don't know why people think that.
I just read it and what can I say that hasn't already been said. This issue was the ****. Did anybody notice that Sue looked a lot like Jessica Alba.
Not really. Where did you get that Sue looks like Jessica Alba. If anything Jessica Alba looks like Sue.
Goodwill
05-15-2005, 02:37 PM
I actually didn't notice any likeness between either of them... I'm sure you're just seeing things because the movie and everything. The fact that Nick Fury's look has been based off of Samuel L. isn't helping, either, but that's besides the point.
thee great one
05-15-2005, 06:48 PM
Look on the second to last page where Reed tells her to get in the car and she says make me.
moonmaster
05-15-2005, 08:00 PM
Look on the second to last page where Reed tells her to get in the car and she says make me.
She does look a little like Jessica Alba in that panel, but it's not an exact match.
Nurhachi
05-15-2005, 11:41 PM
Dont see it dawg
Irish_4204
05-15-2005, 11:47 PM
They are just both blondes and with blue eyes. Maybe that's the resemblance? Hmmm?
Goodwill
05-16-2005, 01:24 PM
Yeah, I think you were planning on Sue looking like Alba... You're thinking too much, there, pal. ;)
thee great one
05-16-2005, 03:39 PM
Fine I'm on my own then.
*Goes in bathroom with copy of issue*
Curses that the 3rd one I've ruined this week. Time to go buy a new one. 8)
Patriot Mk2
05-16-2005, 03:41 PM
Fine I'm on my own then.
*Goes in bathroom with copy of issue*
Curses that the 3rd one I've ruined this week. Time to go buy a new one. 8)
Just get Sin City!And keep it to yourself man.....not cool!
Caduceus
05-16-2005, 04:25 PM
Just get Sin City!And keep it to yourself man.....not cool!
Sharing is caring but oversharing is really caring.
Sharing is caring but oversharing is really caring.
Sharing is caring but oversharing is really not caring. :? :?
Nurhachi
05-16-2005, 09:54 PM
Sharing is caring but oversharing is really caring.
Wouldnt oversharing be overcaring? :P
Just a quick thought - what if Gah Lak Tus blowing up Earth is like a realtiy tv show for The Kree? Entertainment?
Goodwill
05-24-2005, 03:47 PM
Neh, I'm not too big into that idea only because it's been done before and it sort of makes light of something being made into an extremely serious title.
I didn't necessarily mean it would be light hearted - I just mean that its possible the Kree enjoy telling people that Gah Lak Tus is coming, and then watching them die horribly as they try to protect themselves. Think of the voyeurism, but without the corporate advertising. That's what I mean. Far more sadistic, less "in with the now". :)
nigma
05-24-2005, 07:33 PM
I didn't necessarily mean it would be light hearted - I just mean that its possible the Kree enjoy telling people that Gah Lak Tus is coming, and then watching them die horribly as they try to protect themselves. Think of the voyeurism, but without the corporate advertising. That's what I mean. Far more sadistic, less "in with the now". :)
sounds like a ULTIMATE: the end
Goodwill
05-24-2005, 08:18 PM
Or the Kree just see Earth as the biggest threat next to the Chitauri. ;)
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