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Victor Von Doom
05-08-2006, 11:35 AM
So lately my cable company has bombarded me with a lot of kung fu/wu xia films. So it got me thinking....what is the best fight scene? But in asking that---you have to ask what is the criteria? Is it kung fu? Is it military hand to hand? Is it just the feral beating in the back alley? Of course all apply....but only one can truly be the best.

So here's my opinion on what the best martial arts fight scene has been....

The rooftop battle in Jackie Chan's "Who Am I?"

While certain fight scenes in such Wu Xia films like Hero, House of Flying Daggers, and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon are all beautiful...because of the fantasy in which they are based on--they lack a certain realism. It looks more like a dance than an actual fight (a problem that plauged the Matrix sequels bad). And while I think the bathroom stall fight with Jet Li in "Unleashed" was topnotch...his work tends to rely on CGI and and wires. It might look cool...but the gravity defying detracts from the fight. "Unleashed" was a visceral film...but that stall fight lasted only like 30 seconds.

But while Jackie Chan's films are more comical...they still retain the most realism in the kung fu realm. He uses no wires (well...at least he didn't in the past). So when you see him do an aerial move....its really all him and not a group of guys pulling on wires. I respect his work the most for realistic approach he takes and the whimsical after effects.

Another key aspect of my pick is the cinemetography that goes into shooting the action scene. The apartment fight in Bourne Identity (where he stabs the guy in the hand with a pen) is great....but the shakey camera takes away from the fight. It doesn't make it more real...it makes me dizzy. When you see the rooftop fight in "Who Am I?" you see all the action

Anyways...I'm done rambling. For those who haven't scene it--take a peak at what I'm talking about:

WHO AM I? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUw1qYtBfWU&search=jackie%20chan%20who%20am%20i%20)



For the record---my next picks:


any fight in Jackie Chan's "Legend of Drunken Master"
final fight in Jet Li's "Fist of Legend"
any fight scene in "Five Deadly Venoms"

Ultimate Houde
05-08-2006, 11:48 AM
For the most realistic fight, I would have to say the fight between Rowdy ROddy Piper and the black guy from They Live. That's how a fight happens in real life in my opinion

For the best martial art sceen, it would be the 99 hacksaw gang versus Jackie Chan in Legend of the Drunken Master.

Random
05-08-2006, 11:52 AM
I love classic Jackie Chan stuff, I would add the Rumble in the Bronx scene, probably the one where he challenges the gang in thier hangout.

I can never choose the best one but I'll list some

Matrix (FIRST ONE!) Neo vs Smith and Neo vs Morpheus
The Transporter when he busts into the place aftewr the car explodes
Bourne Supremecy, with the magazine

I'm not sure these would qualify with martial arts but I'll mention them anyway, Spider-man the final fight with GG Loved how that was done. And Fellowship of the Rind Aragorn vs the Orc leader.

I would say more Jackie Chan sruff but I cant remeber all of them

SSJmole
05-08-2006, 12:26 PM
my fave is Neo vs Agent Smith from Matrix Revolutions right at the end.

That was just amazing.

E.Vi.L.
05-08-2006, 12:29 PM
Ong Bak (spelling?) had some pretty good fight scenes with no tricks or wires.

For a rough and tumble fight between two actors who are not martial artists, I like the fight sequence between Sean Bean and Pierce Brosnan at the end of Golden eyes.

In Hidden Dragon, Crouching Tigers, The fight between Zang Ziyi and Michelle Yeoh in the dojo was pretty good.

Early Lee work had some top notch fight scenes, especially in the Once upon a time in china serie.

But the BEST scene? I'm especially fond of the fight between Mad Martigan and the evil general at the end of Willow. :)

Entropy
05-08-2006, 01:12 PM
In the live action realm, Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris's throwdown in 'Way of the Dragon' still holds a soft-spot with me. If we get to include animation, my favorite has to be Spike vs Vincent at the end of 'Knockin' on Heaven's Door'. That was just excellent.

J. Agamemnon
05-08-2006, 01:24 PM
i would have to go with Ong bak when he fights those three guys in a row. Then the cocky black guy yells, "MUSIC!!!" and starts dancing right when the police come in.

I also enjoyed Bruce lee in Chinese Connection when he grabs two guys and starts spinning them around in the air like a horizontal ferris wheel.

Also when he fights Chuck Norris and grabs all that chest hair...awesomness

Planet-man
05-08-2006, 04:12 PM
The 99 Hacksaw fight from Druken Master is great, but my favourite Jackie Chan fight scene is the one in Shanghi Knights in the market place(the one where he does the singin' in the rain dance at one point). It was just so creative.

J. Agamemnon
05-08-2006, 04:44 PM
You know, I've never seen that movie...

Ice
05-08-2006, 04:57 PM
VVD...

HELLS YEAH MUTHA#@$%#$!!!


More and more I see we share a lot in common.


If you weren't married....:heybaby:

J. Agamemnon
05-08-2006, 05:31 PM
I thought Fist of legend was a rip-off of Chinese Connection...

DIrishB
05-08-2006, 05:48 PM
For the most realistic fight, I would have to say the fight between Rowdy ROddy Piper and the black guy from They Live. That's how a fight happens in real life in my opinion

That was going to be my pick as well...I'd love to see a new take on such a fight, just two burly dudes beating the crap out of each other in an alley. No holds-barred, biting, kicking in the nuts, eye-gouging, throat punches...now thats a real down and dirty fight.

Victor Von Doom
05-08-2006, 09:18 PM
For the most realistic fight, I would have to say the fight between Rowdy ROddy Piper and the black guy from They Live. That's how a fight happens in real life in my opinion

For the best martial art sceen, it would be the 99 hacksaw gang versus Jackie Chan in Legend of the Drunken Master.

Ok...any movie starring Roddy Piper instantly goes into the cool category. He could make a sequel to Hogan's Suburban Comando and it would still be awesome. Here's why:

When I was about 12...my dad took me to a wrestling show. After the show he stopped off at the local bar (he knew the owner and I was always allowed in). Piper came in and bought a few round of drinks for all. Some guy got all liquored up and started badmouthing Piper and the wrestling business in general. What happened in the next 15 seconds changed my life.

The guy approaches Piper, still talking mess. Piper tells him to piss off. The guy keeps coming. Piper says take your best shot.....so the guy does. Piper takes the punch and then punches the guy back. Piper broke his jaw. Just like that. One punch.

From then on I begged my dad for a solid month to take some kinda martial arts class. He finally caved....and thus I began my decent into violence.



VVD...

HELLS YEAH MUTHA#@$%#$!!!


More and more I see we share a lot in common.


If you weren't married....:heybaby:

If I wasn't married I'd still turn you down because I just don't dig eyebrows hairer than Peter Gallagher. :lol:

But I'd say the thought was sweet. :P



That was going to be my pick as well...I'd love to see a new take on such a fight, just two burly dudes beating the crap out of each other in an alley. No holds-barred, biting, kicking in the nuts, eye-gouging, throat punches...now thats a real down and dirty fight.

For realest fight....yeah. That's my top pick. But I was thinking more stylized action. What I'd love to do is have a guy start talking mess to me and for me to be quick enough to put a finger in his mouth mid-sentence and fish-hook drag him to the ground.

J. Agamemnon
05-09-2006, 12:23 AM
....or you could just beat him down with a baseball bat.

Victor Von Doom
05-09-2006, 08:32 AM
....or you could just beat him down with a baseball bat.

HA! :lol:

You don't know me very well. I don't need a baseball bat. :wink:

Ultimate Houde
05-09-2006, 08:47 AM
I wonder why you punch random people in the jaw

It makes so much more sense now

J. Agamemnon
05-09-2006, 09:14 AM
Man, i don't know anyone here....at all...

Iceshadow
05-09-2006, 10:51 AM
For the most realistic fight, I would have to say the fight between Rowdy ROddy Piper and the black guy from They Live. That's how a fight happens in real life in my opinion.

Definantly, "Put the glasses ON!":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_bAdkk3Xs0&search=They%20Live%20fight%20scene

Also, Onk Bak had some awesome fight scenes.:D

Victor Von Doom
05-09-2006, 11:05 AM
I wonder why you punch random people in the jaw

It makes so much more sense now

I punch in the throat man. Get it right. :P




Man, i don't know anyone here....at all...

To enlighten you on the violent tendencies of Doom here's an example...

Example #1 - Punching Kids in the Mall (http://www.ultimatecentral.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6255&highlight=grill)

Example #2 - Me Shooting Gun (http://www.ultimatecentral.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152459&postcount=483)

Example #3 - Punching a Co-worker for messing with me on a Monday (the reason there is no link is because I can't remember what thread its in and I can't find it under my last 500 posts). If anyone else can find the link....please enlighten Aggie here.

J. Agamemnon
05-09-2006, 11:40 AM
HOHOHO...That was funny,"the 1st one". "That's when you gotta punch 'em in the throat!" - Err.

Dude, you seem like you'd be one of my friends. All we listen to is old school rap, Mos Def and other **** and an assload of SOAD. You seem like B.I.P. material. but, you're probably alot older than us so it would just seem wierd. Oh, and we right our own comics...

Ultimate Houde
05-09-2006, 11:50 AM
So sorry, throat punch.


In the fanfic you punch someone in the jaw.

Ice
05-09-2006, 12:20 PM
If I wasn't married I'd still turn you down because I just don't dig eyebrows hairer than Peter Gallagher. :lol:
Good, than I'm in. :D

nigma
05-09-2006, 12:27 PM
i know there are a few good ones, but i cant see to think of any right now...i need to go and have a movie watching night

J. Agamemnon
05-09-2006, 12:34 PM
We should all go see a movie at our respective locations, but at the same time. And then make a thread about it afterwards....

Ultimate Quicksilver
05-09-2006, 12:40 PM
First fight scene in Hero, the guy with the spear, that was absolutely fantastic, I almost cried looking at that

J. Agamemnon
05-09-2006, 12:49 PM
Jeez, I saw that movie twice and I don't remember that?:roll:

nigma
05-09-2006, 01:11 PM
there was one with jet lee

Legend of the Red Dragon (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110054/)

near the end of the moive,there a sweet one with lee and the kid fighting together.

E.Vi.L.
05-09-2006, 04:32 PM
HA! :lol:

You don't know me very well. I don't need a baseball bat. :wink:

You don't use a baseball bat because you need to. You use one because it's fun.

J. Agamemnon
05-09-2006, 04:43 PM
Thank you sir. That's why I carry a mizuno. We should all get together and make the greatest live-action fight scene......ever!!!!:twisted:

Victor Von Doom
05-09-2006, 05:16 PM
Thank you sir. That's why I carry a mizuno. We should all get together and make the greatest live-action fight scene......ever!!!!:twisted:

Impossible. Jack Bauer already farted.

J. Agamemnon
05-09-2006, 05:55 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

nigma
05-10-2006, 12:56 PM
it wasn't a martial arts fight scence, but there was a good little brawl in "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit"

edit: this was last nights esp.

the gist of the story was, after a husband feels up his son......a few years later the son makes his own website and exposes himself for the whole world to see him. and pedos pay money to see him. well the cops come in when the kid takes advantage of his little brother. a little while afterwords the kid gets kidnapped by one of his 'friends' and the cops go on a manhunt to find him. and when they track him down. the main cop goes into a full fist-fight with the pedo when he tries to run.

J. Agamemnon
05-10-2006, 01:11 PM
Sounds like fun...

Victor Von Doom
05-27-2006, 07:47 AM
So I just watched "Kiss of the Dragon" again last night and I gotts say the fight scene with Jet Li vs The Entire Cop Dojo was so money that it hurts.

And the one where he was fighting the little blond guy? So good.



This is probably one of his best movies...........from a realistic POV.

Hibiki
05-27-2006, 02:33 PM
My favorite would haveto be when peter fights the big chicken. That was awesome. Also when he punches that man/woman.

Iceshadow
05-27-2006, 03:02 PM
Recently I saw this movie "Oldboy" in it the main character is kidnapped and imprisoned for an unknown reason. After several years of confinment he is mysteriously released, and so he begins to take his revenge. This hallway fight scene is really cool, and he uses a hammer as his weapon of choice.:D

HAMMER TIME! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OVRlHEE5LKU&search=oldboy)

Victor Von Doom
07-12-2007, 02:34 PM
I still stand by my first post....

Langsta
07-12-2007, 05:16 PM
Haha, this is easy. Anybody seen The Protector?

Every single scene in that freaking movie.

The cliche answer would be Enter the Dragon, but The Protector is waaaay better.

I think if I had to pick one, the best fight scene of that movie is when Tony Jaa slices those big bald mofos with the elephant tendons.

Ong Bak has the second best scene. I think the best scene is the one where Tony Jaa takes down all of the fighters, one after the other, kicks the last guy through some glass, and everyone there just starts throwing gold coins.

Tony Jaa is probably the most physical actor ever. Another great scene in Ong Bak is when he's being chased by that mob of bad guys with his master's son. It's so awesome. The scene itself manages to incorporate comedy with martial arts, way better than any Jackie Chan stunt, and not necessarily in the same fashion as the Stephen Chow movies.

Random
07-12-2007, 05:46 PM
I still stand by my first post....

I agree, I wish we would see more fighting movies like that, no cgi, no special effects, no "extreme" style or anything too stylistic. Just a couple of guys about evenly matched going at it in a realistic setting

Hibiki
07-12-2007, 06:33 PM
Tony Jaa Highlight Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epJuNCOGjio)

Badass scene done in one take, no cut scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE7WijeShQM)

Jaa taking on three guys one at a time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9u-UtBMn68)

This one is a fan mix of various scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qExXruQ99pY)

Bruce Lee in Chinese Connection fight scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q9kYKtvYU0)

The only fight scene recorded where Norris lost. 8) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLO1YIWQuXE)

Hot Fuzz gun FIGHT scene (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06la94s2uoA)

That is all I can think of at the moment

Ultimate Quicksilver
07-12-2007, 06:46 PM
Nameless vs Sky (Hero) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azObdhUGyqw)

It will be hard to change my opinion in the best fight ever. I stand to my first post too. This is just ****ing awesome.

Victor Von Doom
07-12-2007, 06:52 PM
Donnie Yen is the ****ing man. Hand to the Big Man Himself!

Seriously...I'm actually quite upset he is so underrated in America. You say Jackie Chan, Jet Li or Ong Baak (I know his name is Tony Ja...but most Americans only know him as Ong Baak) and most people can go on and on about him. But you say Donnie Yen and they draw a blank.

Hibiki
07-12-2007, 06:57 PM
Donnie Yen is the ****ing man. Hand to the Big Man Himself!

Seriously...I'm actually quite upset he is so underrated in America. You say Jackie Chan, Jet Li or Ong Baak (I know his name is Tony Ja...but most Americans only know him as Ong Baak) and most people can go on and on about him. But you say Donnie Yen and they draw a blank.

I know who he is, but he doesn't impress me like Tony Jaa does.

Victor Von Doom
07-12-2007, 07:28 PM
I know who he is, but he doesn't impress me like Tony Jaa does.

Then you are obviously crazy.

What am I talking about....of course you're crazy. Columbian Samurai? Psssssh! Everyone knows the only thing in Columbia is coffee beans and druglords.

You obviously have been drinking too much cocaine and snorting way too much columbian roast. Ease off the sauce mami.

Hibiki
07-12-2007, 07:47 PM
Then you are obviously crazy.

What am I talking about....of course you're crazy. Columbian Samurai? Psssssh! Everyone knows the only thing in Columbia is coffee beans and druglords.

You obviously have been drinking too much cocaine and snorting way too much columbian roast. Ease off the sauce mami.

i kept thinking miami in my head. "why6 would he call me miami?" yeah, i see. FYI, we shoot cocaine through needles, and the colombian roast is brewed and snorted through a straw. Get it right bub. 8)

Ultimate Quicksilver
07-12-2007, 07:54 PM
Donnie Yen is the ****ing man. Hand to the Big Man Himself!

Seriously...I'm actually quite upset he is so underrated in America. You say Jackie Chan, Jet Li or Ong Baak (I know his name is Tony Ja...but most Americans only know him as Ong Baak) and most people can go on and on about him. But you say Donnie Yen and they draw a blank.

FINALLY SOMEONE THAT UNDERSTANDS ME!!! I've been saying that Yen is the man, but it's all Jet Li and Jackie Chan, it's kinda irritating that people don't know him that much.

Yen + Spear = ****ING AWESOME!

Hibiki
07-12-2007, 07:58 PM
FINALLY SOMEONE THAT UNDERSTANDS ME!!! I've been saying that Yen is the man, but it's all Jet Li and Jackie Chan, it's kinda irritating that people don't know him that much.

Yen + Spear = ****ING AWESOME!

personally, from a stunt man perspective, I think Jaa will eventually surpass Chan. I will look into Yen some more. Nay reccommeded movies besides blade 2?

Victor Von Doom
07-12-2007, 08:04 PM
personally, from a stunt man perspective, I think Jaa will eventually surpass Chan. I will look into Yen some more. Nay reccommeded movies besides blade 2?

Iron Monkey. Hero. Shanghai Knights. He even makes Highlander: Endgame awesome.


He's really big in China.

Grocer Man
07-12-2007, 10:18 PM
I feel kinda jipped.

Langsta
07-13-2007, 02:25 AM
Lol, I know Donnie Yen from Blade II. What other movies has he been in?

Victor Von Doom
07-13-2007, 07:29 AM
Lol, I know Donnie Yen from Blade II. What other movies has he been in?

:?


Did you not see my post...........2 posts above yours?

Langsta
07-13-2007, 09:46 AM
Oh, sorry....I've never seen any of those movies.