Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (continued)

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Lebnyx

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Maybe move iron fist back instead?
I think I would rather do that, to be honest. The only problem is the Spring Fair commitee from episode 9. Maybe we could say they're planning it months in advance. The 1/2/2018 date from a computer also, but I'm willing to ignore those if it becomes absolutely necessary.

Does a non-specific late 2017 placement for both of them sound okay?
 
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Pro Bot

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I think I would rather do that, to be honest. The only problem is the Spring Fair commitee from episode 9. Maybe we could say they're planning it months in advance. The 1/2/2018 date from a computer also, but I'm willing to ignore those if it becomes absolutely necessary.

Does a non-specific late 2017 placement for both of them sound okay?
It's either that or we give them the benefit of the doubt and say Matt never told anyone of his recovery. Maybe he's not running around in a Devil costume so everyone assumes he's a different vigilante. If we have to, Iron Fist should be moved back.

If anyone has any evidence of The Punishers day/month, but in the year 2018, that could narrow it down.
 

Lebnyx

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If anyone has any evidence of The Punishers day/month, but in the year 2018, that could narrow it down.
The calendar in one of the episodes (7?) is on a 31-day month that starts on Tuesday and ends on Thursday. This matches with May 2018. There seem to be holidays marked on the 13th and the 28th, which in May 2018 would be Mother's Day and Memorial Day respectively.

With this information, I'm willing to place Punisher S2 in May 2018, but I'm waiting for Endgame to come out before deciding on it, since Punisher S2 is pre-Snap.
 

Dallas Kinard

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It's either that or we give them the benefit of the doubt and say Matt never told anyone of his recovery. Maybe he's not running around in a Devil costume so everyone assumes he's a different vigilante. If we have to, Iron Fist should be moved back.

If anyone has any evidence of The Punishers day/month, but in the year 2018, that could narrow it down.
This. I feel like DD S3 is very stand-alone and Matt seems to not be in the public eye, so it's feasible that Danny wouldn't know about him being back. Aren't they in different areas of the city any ways?
 

Lebnyx

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I think that, like I said, I'll wait for Jessica Jones S3 to come out and see if it has any clues as to when the other Netflix seasons take place, before making changements to their placements.
 

Lebnyx

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Something I just realized from the Endgame prelude:

We know from the beginning of IW that the Statesman is 22 jump points from Asgard when Thanos attacks. In the comic, in the scene where Peter and Tony save Strange from Ebony Maw, the narration says the Q-Ship is a few jump points from Earth.

Let's say "a few" is anywhere between 2 and 6, and that the scene takes place somewhere between 2 and 20 hours after the events in New York.

This means that, by the time they are attacked by Thanos, the Asgardians have traveled for somewhere between 7 hours and 9 days.

It's possible that the Q-Ship travels faster than the Statesman, and that the Asgardians took a few detours for food and fuel. It's also possible that they, for whatever reason, did not use every jump point, or that the jump points do not necessarily cover the same distance. But this, to me, seems to imply no more than a few weeks pass between Ragnarok and IW.

I'm not going to change the placement of either movie on the timeline for now, but I'm saying this could be a possible justification in case anything official points to a shorter passage of time between the movies.
 
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marioxb

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Something I just realized from the Endgame prelude:

We know from the beginning of IW that the Statesman is 22 jump points from Asgard when Thanos attacks. In the comic, in the scene where Peter and Tony save Strange from Ebony Maw, the narration says the Q-Ship is a few jump points from Earth.

Let's say "a few" is anywhere between 2 and 6, and that the scene takes place somewhere between 2 and 20 hours after the events in New York.

This means that, by the time they are attacked by Thanos, the Asgardians have traveled for somewhere between 7 hours and 9 days.

It's possible that the Q-Ship travels faster than the Statesman, and that the Asgardians took a few detours for food and fuel. It's also possible that they, for whatever reason, did not use every jump point, or that the jump points do not necessarily cover the same distance. But this, to me, seems to imply no more than a few weeks pass between Ragnarok and IW.

I'm not going to change the placement of either movie on the timeline for now, but I'm saying this could be a possible justification in case anything official points to a shorter passage of time between the movies.
Ok, so first of all, I remember jump points (wormhole thingies, right?) in Guardians 2, but I don't remember them being mentioned in Ragnarok (I haven't read any of the comics). But if you're saying to move the main events of Ragnarok closer to Infinity War just because of the word few, that may not be necessary.

A year or so ago at work, I said something I Iike, "a few months ago, I just such and such" to a coworker. He said "3 months ago? That can't be right." I said that no, I didn't say 3, I said a few. If I had meant 3, I would have just said 3. Anyway, he, and 99% of the weirdos at that job apparently (after a lot of questioning) were taught that the word few meant EXACTLY THREE. I know this makes no sense, as why would we just not say three if this was the case? I looked at dictionary.com, referenced "The few, the proud, the marines" (obviously there are more than 3 marines) and had a "few" other examples, but they wouldn't have it. I even made a Facebook post asking about it, and everyone who didn't drink the water at that job agreed with me. Anyway, they were obviously wrong, and so are you. Yes, "a few" normally means a small number, but could also mean a small portion of a larger number. So if there are, for example, 700 jump points (the amount the Guardians go through to get to Ego), 22 IS a few.

"https://www.powerscore.com/lsat/help/lsat-quantity-terminology.cfm" said:
On the other hand, if you were talking about "a few" of 20,000 concertgoers being unruly, then you might mean dozens, or maybe a hundred, but you probably wouldn't mean just two (two unruly concertgoers would translate into "rare"). So, the meaning of some terms on the LSAT can be sensitive to the contextual use of that term in relation to the overall size of the group. This can make the term difficult to interpret because its meaning is not constant, and it changes depending on group size.
 
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Lebnyx

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Like I said, I won't move it for now, if something official comes out and says Ragnarok takes place a day or a week before IW, then I'll move it.

Also, if 22 could be considered a few in this case, then that means even more jump points could be traveled within a certain amount of time. So if the Q-Ship, for example, is 22 jump points from Earth, then since since Strange is rescued somewhere between 2 and 20 hours after the invasion in New York, that means anywhere between 1 and 11 jump points can be traveled in an hour.
 

marioxb

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Like I said, I won't move it for now, if something official comes out and says Ragnarok takes place a day or a week before IW, then I'll move it.

Also, if 22 could be considered a few in this case, then that means even more jump points could be traveled within a certain amount of time. So if the Q-Ship, for example, is 22 jump points from Earth, then since since Strange is rescued somewhere between 2 and 20 hours after the invasion in New York, that means anywhere between 1 and 11 jump points can be traveled in an hour.
Didn't the Guardians jump 700 pretty quickly? I was under the impression it only took a few hours.
 

Lebnyx

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Didn't the Guardians jump 700 pretty quickly? I was under the impression it only took a few hours.
Yes, but Yondu said it's not healthy to jump more than 50 at a time, they only did the 700 jumps because it was an emergency situation. So it seems like going no further than 50 jump points is recommended.

The Asgardians don't seem to be in much of a hurry to get to Earth, so there's no reason for them to do 700 jumps.
 

marioxb

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Yes, but Yondu said it's not healthy to jump more than 50 at a time, they only did the 700 jumps because it was an emergency situation. So it seems like going no further than 50 jump points is recommended.

The Asgardians don't seem to be in much of a hurry to get to Earth, so there's no reason for them to do 700 jumps.
I'm not saying the Asgardians did or should do 700, or about the safety, I'm just saying that if 700 can be done pretty quickly, 22 jumps is both safe (under 50) and sounds like an evening stroll, compared to 700.
 

Lebnyx

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So we're both in agreement then.

Also, I just remembered that since The Cosmic Quest Volume One fills in the gap between Ragnarok and IW, there has to be some time, probably a week, between both movies.
 
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marioxb

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Hey so ok, why can't we move the "Fine, I'll do it myself" scene to right after the main events of Ragnarok? Unless we get something like "The Consultant" that fixed the Incredible Hulk post credits scene that fixes the Ultron one, or a flashback in Endgame that explains it, we can assume this happens off screen during the events of Ragnarok:

At this point, Thanos knows Odin is dead and Hela will be taken care of soon enough. She doesn't seem too interested in the stones anyway. So sometime while Thor's on Sakar and Heimdal is preoccupied, Thanos attacked Nidavellir, who forced the Dwarves to construct the Infinity Gauntlet so that he could better utilize the power of the Infinity Stones. Once they did so, Eitri locked the gauntlet in a vault. During that time, Thanos was recalling the location of each stone.
Thanos then proceeded to wipe out the Dwarves, leaving Eitri alive. Elitri tells Thanos where he put the newly created gauntlet while Thanos talks to himself, "I gave Loki the scepter to retrieve the Tessaract. He failed me. I myself failed to realize that the scepter itself contained the mind stone. I sent Ronan to grab the Power Stone. I was betrayed." He opens the door to the vault, "Fine. I'll do it myself". Not sure what the Heroes'Journey Book 2 comic is about since I can't find it online, but below is how the scenes might go. Again, all of the above happens off screen until Thanos gets the glove.

Thor - Ragnarok Chapter 17: "Ragnarok" (1:56:03 - 2:00:37)
Avengers - Age of Ultron Chapter 14: "End Credits" (2:13:08 - 2:13:31)
Avengers - Infinity War: The Heroes' Journey (Book Two - Thor: Chapters 15-16)
Thor - Ragnarok Chapter 18: "End Credits" (2:09:36 - 2:10:15)

Could something like that work?
 

Craig

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I proposed something similar last year but was told that was stupid lol.

I agree it should be after Ragnarok. I’m pretty sure Markus/McFeely confirmed that scene takes place in a special room on Nidavellir. So I guess it’s possible that Thanos sacked the dwarves shortly after AOU as Thor was on his quest, and Loki was limply ruling Agard. But I feel like Heimdall would have noticed, and he didn’t leave his post until shortly before Ragnarok.

Also if Thanos was still using pawns like Ronan to collect the stones in 2014, why would he pull something so bold like attacking the dwarves and commissioning something specifically to harness the stones? Even going so far as to leave Eitri alive. Definitely doesn’t make any sense if Thanos thinks Odin and the Ancient One are still alive.
 

Lebnyx

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The Russos said in the IW commentary that, after Nebula tried to kill Thanos and he caught her, he looked through her brain and found out that Gamora knew the Soul Stone's location, and that's when he started to look for the Stones himself.

Source: https://www.thewrap.com/avengers-infinity-war-thanos-waited-infinity-stones/

The Russos and Markus and McFeely imply the AoU mid-credits scene takes place when Loki is posing as Odin.

Source: https://comicbook.com/marvel/2018/05/24/avengers-infinity-war-infinity-gauntlet-origin-timeline-age-ultron/

"I think that it would be connected to Eitri," Joe Russo said. "I think that clearly he is the one who forged the gauntlet and Thanos had the gauntlet at that point in time. It's been a while since any of the Asgardians have interacted with Eitri and his people."
“I think the Gauntlet was made when Loki was pretending to be Odin,” Markus explained.“Presumably, Eitri was running a relatively regular business and people would have gone there and said something. So, it hasn’t been that long.”
So it's at least before Ragnarok.
 

Pro Bot

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6777827/Marvel-set-cast-openly-gay-superhero-fans-beg-Captain-America-come-out.html erm... What "fans"? Oh, the horrible fan fiction kind? Nah. Let Marvel cast someone else to play an actual gay character because one thing is very clear:
CAPTAIN AMERICA IS NOT GAY
Let's just forget about the Carters because Bucky exists... you know, Caps best friend! You may have took Ice-Man, but you will never take the Captain!
Sigh... Dailymail...

Oh man this article sucks. I bet these guys don't even know Deadpool is Pansexual or that John Constantine is Bisexual.
 
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Dallas Kinard

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6777827/Marvel-set-cast-openly-gay-superhero-fans-beg-Captain-America-come-out.html erm... What "fans"? Oh, the horrible fan fiction kind? Nah. Let Marvel cast someone else to play an actual gay character because one thing is very clear:
CAPTAIN AMERICA IS NOT GAY
Let's just forget about the Carters because Bucky exists... you know, Caps best friend! You may have took Ice-Man, but you will never take the Captain!
Sigh... Dailymail...

Oh man this article sucks. I bet these guys don't even know Deadpool is Pansexual or that John Constantine is Bisexual.
I agree that identity politics absolutely suck and need to go the way of the Dinosaur, but let's please keep this thread on the topic of chronology.
 

Pro Bot

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I agree that identity politics absolutely suck and need to go the way of the Dinosaur, but let's please keep this thread on the topic of chronology.
Fair enough. Don't really want to ster up a controversy, that's no fun.

I won't go into detail, but Captain Marvels end credits scene is after IW, according to a spoiler comment. We assumed that from the start, really.
 

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