Are the Batman 89 comics both set on Earth 89 and Earth 789 or only set on Earth 789?
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Depends on the era of the multiverse you are talking about. The Batman '89 comics are Canon only in the post-crisis multiverse. And earth-89 (post-crisis) and Earth-789 are the same.
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Who knows? Consistency suggests Earth-789 only, unless Earth-789 is Earth-89 through a megaverse with the comic multiverse, but then, why does the Flashpoint Universe exist separately from Earth-Donnerverse? I bet Batman '89 will crossover with Superman '78 at some point too, further complicating matters.
So, including fan made numbers for consistency, this is my interpretation:
Earth-78
Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
Superman II
Superman III
Supergirl: Director's Cut
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
The Flash
Earth-80
Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
Earth-89
Batman
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Catwoman
Earth-1/Earth-89 (Flashpoint)
The Flash
Earth-96
Superman Returns
Earth-789 (Comic Multiverse)
Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
Superman II
Superman III
Supergirl: Director's Cut
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
Batman
Batman Returns
Earth-97, as mentioned previously, is heavily disputed canon. The Arrowverse wiki even notes its Earth-97 page as non-canon, mentioning that Crisis Aftermath confirmed the Burton/Schumacher films were all set on Earth-89 by virtue of Marc Guggenheim and Kevin Smith's conversation. Earth-97 was an actor/release date joke that we take as canon due to the existence of the branching Burtonverse timelines. If anything, Earth-97 would only include Batman & Robin if it were canon based on the joke, with Batman Forever being Earth-95. Of course, that's absurd so people generally count Batman Forever as Earth-97. Even the writer of Batman '89 stating that Earth-97 was "too crowded" was because of a misinterpretation from a fan, vague, and arguably retconed by Dark Crisis and The Flash suggesting that Batman '89 isn't Earth-89/789 and that Earth-789 is a separate entity, thus the comic is unlinked from Earth-89 along with the Donnerverse.
Of course, there's so much personal interpretation that there's no objective truth. I'm sure you can make arguments for Batman '89 being Earth-89, thus Earth-97 is Schumacher and the Donnerverse is Earth-89. Just, personally, Dark Crisis and The Flash combined makes me come to the conclusion Schumacher is Earth-89 rather than Batman '89, reverting back to the Crisis Aftermath confirmations. Ironic, since The Flash ignores Schumacher in its alternate Flashpoint timeline.
So, including fan made numbers for consistency, this is my interpretation:
Earth-78
Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
Superman II
Superman III
Supergirl: Director's Cut
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
The Flash
Earth-80
Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
Earth-89
Batman
Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Catwoman
Earth-1/Earth-89 (Flashpoint)
The Flash
Earth-96
Superman Returns
Earth-789 (Comic Multiverse)
Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
Superman II
Superman III
Supergirl: Director's Cut
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
Batman
Batman Returns
Earth-97, as mentioned previously, is heavily disputed canon. The Arrowverse wiki even notes its Earth-97 page as non-canon, mentioning that Crisis Aftermath confirmed the Burton/Schumacher films were all set on Earth-89 by virtue of Marc Guggenheim and Kevin Smith's conversation. Earth-97 was an actor/release date joke that we take as canon due to the existence of the branching Burtonverse timelines. If anything, Earth-97 would only include Batman & Robin if it were canon based on the joke, with Batman Forever being Earth-95. Of course, that's absurd so people generally count Batman Forever as Earth-97. Even the writer of Batman '89 stating that Earth-97 was "too crowded" was because of a misinterpretation from a fan, vague, and arguably retconed by Dark Crisis and The Flash suggesting that Batman '89 isn't Earth-89/789 and that Earth-789 is a separate entity, thus the comic is unlinked from Earth-89 along with the Donnerverse.
Of course, there's so much personal interpretation that there's no objective truth. I'm sure you can make arguments for Batman '89 being Earth-89, thus Earth-97 is Schumacher and the Donnerverse is Earth-89. Just, personally, Dark Crisis and The Flash combined makes me come to the conclusion Schumacher is Earth-89 rather than Batman '89, reverting back to the Crisis Aftermath confirmations. Ironic, since The Flash ignores Schumacher in its alternate Flashpoint timeline.
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Because the joke was based on release dates. It was part of a pop quiz on the show.
"If Michael Keaton's Batman from Batman (1989) is from Earth-89, and John Wesley Shipp's Flash from The Flash (1990) is from Earth-90, then what Earth would you find a Mr. Freeze who looks and sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger?"
Earth-97, because Batman & Robin came out in 1997... but Batman Forever exists. If they asked about Val Kilmer, Jim Carrey, or Chris O'Donnell, the answer would be Earth-95. So, the answer is entirely related to Arnold Schwarzenegger's Mr. Freeze being related to Batman & Robin. It was a joke intended to see if they could remember the year it released. It was not supposed to be taken as confirmation that Batman & Robin was separate from Batman, Batman Returns and Batman Forever, which you'd have to think if you consider this joke number canon. We only took it as canon because we didn't have a better number to use.
Earlier on, the question was asked if these cameos meant that the films and shows were canon to the Arrowverse, and the answer was yes. Marc Guggenheim can be specifically quoted as saying "Batnipples are canon" referring to the cameos, referring to Earth-89.
"If Michael Keaton's Batman from Batman (1989) is from Earth-89, and John Wesley Shipp's Flash from The Flash (1990) is from Earth-90, then what Earth would you find a Mr. Freeze who looks and sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger?"
Earth-97, because Batman & Robin came out in 1997... but Batman Forever exists. If they asked about Val Kilmer, Jim Carrey, or Chris O'Donnell, the answer would be Earth-95. So, the answer is entirely related to Arnold Schwarzenegger's Mr. Freeze being related to Batman & Robin. It was a joke intended to see if they could remember the year it released. It was not supposed to be taken as confirmation that Batman & Robin was separate from Batman, Batman Returns and Batman Forever, which you'd have to think if you consider this joke number canon. We only took it as canon because we didn't have a better number to use.
Earlier on, the question was asked if these cameos meant that the films and shows were canon to the Arrowverse, and the answer was yes. Marc Guggenheim can be specifically quoted as saying "Batnipples are canon" referring to the cameos, referring to Earth-89.
