Batman Anthology - Timeline

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This is the timeline for the Batman movies of 1989-1997, Catwoman 2004, and any associated tie-in material. This reality is designated Earth-89 in the DC Live-Action Multiverse.

Timeline Reasoning

The title sequence of Catwoman showcases a collection of Catwomen throughout history.

Oswald Cobblepot was born 33 years before Batman Returns.

The death of Thomas Wayne and Martha Wayne is an estimation. The newspaper about the Wayne's murder in Batman is dated Thursday October 19. 1961's October 19 is on a Thursday, so that year is taken as accurate.

The wake of Thomas Wayne and Martha Wayne as shown in Batman Forever is between 1-2 weeks after their death.

Bruce Wayne and Alfred look the same age between flashbacks in Batman & Robin and the other films.

Batman has several contradictory dates, but in my opinion November 25 is the most prominent and clear date. It's placed in 1989 based on Jack Napier's criminal record.

The last scene in Batman Returns is implied to be Christmas. It's placed in 1992 based on release year.

Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me" is placed before Batman '89 due to Selina getting a new suit in that story. A criminal resembling the Penguin appears, confusingly.


Batman '89 can be determined as 1993 based on Batman Forever stating that Harvey was arrested two years prior. The Sonar suit from Batman Forever is set to make an appearance, it being a reference to Michael Keaton's planned suit for his third Batman film. An original character named Drake Winston will become Robin. It is possible that this will contradict the events of the films following Batman Returns, as it has been suggested by the artist that it's a divergent timeline. If this presents itself narratively, I will create a separate timeline.

Batman Forever is set in October, and the dates are worked back from Halloween. It's placed in 1995 based on release year.

Batman & Robin is set a indeterminate amount of time after Batman Forever. It's placed in 1997 based on release year.


Batman: OnStar is sometime after Batman Forever based on the appearance of Riddler. A new version of Joker and Penguin appear. It's placed between 2000-2002 based on release date. It could be considered non-canonical, but it strangely fits, with a Joker being active in 2019 and a character resembling the Penguin existing in a tie-in comic.

Catwoman is set an indeterminate amount of time after Batman Returns based on Selina Kyle being an existing Catwoman. It's placed in it's year of release.

The Earth-89 scene of Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part 1" is set on 10 December 2019. Alexander Knox appears, reading a newspaper that suggests Batman and the Joker are active. According to Marc Guggenheim, the Joker is Jack Napier seemingly resurrected, however it makes more sense if it's the version from the OnStar commercials. This particular scene never happened in the new multiverse.

The Flash features Michael Keaton as Bruce Wayne, reprising his role from Batman and Batman Returns. Batman & Robin emblems will appear in the movie, with picturevehiclesltd suggesting it's going to appear in Earth-89.


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Timeline
3000 B.C.
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Catwoman
Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:01:07)

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Catwoman
Chapter 1 (0:01:08 - 0:01:37)

1348
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Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:01:50 - 0:01:56)

15??
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Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:02:30 - 0:02:47)

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Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:01:38 - 0:01:49)

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Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:01:57 - 0:02:04)

1902
June 20

Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:02:05 - 0:02:13)

1932
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Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:02:25 - 0:02:29)

1939
March 2

Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:02:14 - 0:02:18)

1940
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Catwoman
Chapter 1 (0:02:54 - 0:03:23)

1943
February

Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:02:48 - 0:02:53)

December 7
Catwoman Chapter 1 (0:02:19 - 0:02:24)

19??
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Batman '89 #1, "Shadows: Chapter One" (pg. 14)

1959
December
Batman Returns Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:00:57)

December 25
Batman Returns Chapter 1 (0:00:58 - 0:02:22)
Batman Returns Chapter 2 (0:02:23 - 0:05:30)

1961
October 18

Batman
Chapter 29 (1:30:15 - 1:31:06)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:44:40 - 0:45:47)
Batman Chapter 29 (1:31:07 - 1:31:26)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:44:50 - 0:44:53)
Batman Chapter 29 (1:31:27 - 1:31:36)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:44:56 - 0:45:00)
Batman Chapter 29 (1:31:37 - 1:32:10)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:45:03 - 0:45:09)

October
Batman Forever
Chapter 12 (0:45:13 - 0:46:00)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:29:11 - 1:30:53)

1962
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Batman & Robin
Chapter 7 (0:23:43 - 0:23:55)
Batman & Robin Chapter 17 (0:53:11 - 0:53:21)
Batman & Robin Chapter 29 (1:30:14 - 1:30:22)

1989
November 24
Batman Chapter 2 (0:02:33 - 0:07:03)
Batman Chapter 3 (0:07:04 - 0:09:26)
Batman Chapter 4 (0:09:27 - 0:12:21)

November 25
Batman Chapter 5 (0:12:22 - 0:14:41)
Batman Chapter 6 (0:14:42 - 0:17:03)
Batman Chapter 7 (0:17:04 - 0:20:05)
Batman Chapter 8 (0:20:06 - 0:23:57)
Batman Chapter 9 (0:23:58 - 0:27:05)
Batman Chapter 10 (0:27:06 - 0:30:25)

November 26
Batman Chapter 11 (0:30:26 - 0:34:12)
Batman Chapter 12 (0:34:13 - 0:36:13)
Batman Chapter 13 (0:36:14 - 0:38:24)
Batman Chapter 14 (0:38:25 - 0:39:56)

November 27
Batman Chapter 14 (0:39:57 - 0:41:05)
Batman Chapter 15 (0:41:06 - 0:45:06)
Batman Chapter 16 (0:45:07 - 0:48:06)
Batman Chapter 17 (0:48:07 - 0:50:51)
Batman Chapter 18 (0:51:52 - 0:54:18)

November 28
Batman Chapter 19 (0:54:19 - 0:57:53)

November 29
Batman
Chapter 20 (0:57:54 - 0:59:33)
Batman Chapter 21 (0:59:34 - 1:06:37)
Batman Chapter 22 (1:06:38 - 1:12:23)
Batman Chapter 23 (1:12:24 - 1:16:16)

November 30
Batman Chapter 23 (1:16:17 - 1:16:28)
Batman Chapter 24 (1:16:29 - 1:18:18)
Batman Chapter 25 (1:18:19 - 1:21:10)
Batman Chapter 26 (1:21:11 - 1:25:29)
Batman Chapter 27 (1:25:30 - 1:27:24)
Batman Chapter 28 (1:27:25 - 1:29:32)
Batman Chapter 29 (1:29:33 - 1:30:14)
Batman Chapter 29 (1:32:11 - 1:33:57)
Batman Chapter 30 (1:33:58 - 1:35:49)

December 1
Batman
Chapter 31 (1:35:50 - 1:38:15)
Batman Chapter 32 (1:38:16 - 1:42:43)
Batman Chapter 33 (1:42:44 - 1:46:33)
Batman Chapter 34 (1:46:34 - 1:50:10)
Batman Chapter 35 (1:50:11 - 1:53:19)
Batman Chapter 36 (1:53:20 - 1:59:42)
Batman Chapter 37 (1:59:43 - 2:01:29)

1992
December 19

Batman Returns Chapter 3 (0:05:31 - 0:07:09)
Batman Returns Chapter 4 (0:07:10 - 0:09:22)
Batman Returns Chapter 5 (0:09:23 - 0:12:47)
Batman Returns Chapter 6 (0:12:48 - 0:17:12)
Batman Returns Chapter 7 (0:17:13 - 0:23:11)
Batman Returns Chapter 8 (0:23:12 - 0:25:18)
Batman Returns Chapter 9 (0:25:19 - 0:28:29)
Batman Returns Chapter 10 (0:28:30 - 0:33:50)

December 20
Batman Returns Chapter 11 (0:33:51 - 0:40:26)
Batman Returns Chapter 12 (0:40:27 - 0:43:03)
Batman Returns Chapter 13 (0:43:04 - 0:44:11)

December 21
Batman Returns
Chapter 14 (0:44:12 - 0:48:30)
Batman Returns Chapter 15 (0:48:31 - 0:54:08)
Batman Returns Chapter 16 (0:54:09 - 0:55:47)
Batman Returns Chapter 17 (0:55:48 - 0:57:59)
Batman Returns Chapter 18 (0:58:00 - 0:59:43)
Batman Returns Chapter 19 (0:59:44 - 1:02:15)

December 22
Batman Returns Chapter 20 (1:02:16 - 1:07:47)

December 23
Batman Returns
Chapter 21 (1:07:48 - 1:10:01)
Batman Returns Chapter 22 (1:10:02 - 1:13:08)
Batman Returns Chapter 23 (1:13:09 - 1:17:58)
Batman Returns Chapter 24 (1:17:59 - 1:20:42)
Batman Returns Chapter 25 (1:20:43 - 1:22:29)
Batman Returns Chapter 26 (1:22:30 - 1:26:43)

December 24
Batman Returns
Chapter 27 (1:26:44 - 1:31:44)
Batman Returns Chapter 28 (1:31:45 - 1:33:47)
Batman Returns Chapter 29 (1:33:48 - 1:38:13)
Batman Returns Chapter 30 (1:38:14 - 1:40:38)
Batman Returns Chapter 31 (1:40:39 - 1:42:43)
Batman Returns Chapter 32 (1:42:44 - 1:44:08)
Batman Returns Chapter 33 (1:44:09 - 1:48:42)
Batman Returns Chapter 34 (1:48:43 - 1:50:45)
Batman Returns Chapter 35 (1:50:46 - 1:53:55)
Batman Returns Chapter 36 (1:54:56 - 1:55:46)
Batman Returns Chapter 37 (1:55:47 - 1:58:21)

December 25
Batman Returns Chapter 38 (1:58:22 - 2:00:50)

1993
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Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me"


October 31
Batman '89 #1, "Shadows: Chapter One" (pg. 1-10)

November 1

Batman '89 #1, "Shadows: Chapter One" (pg. 10-20)
Batman '89 #2, "Shadows: Chapter Two" (pg. 1-3)

November 2
Batman '89 #2, "Shadows: Chapter Two" (pg. 4-20)
Batman '89 #3, "Shadows: Chapter Three" (pg. 1-10)

November 3
Batman '89 #3, "Shadows: Chapter Three" (pg. 11-20)

November
Batman '89 #4, "Shadows: Chapter Four"
Batman '89 #5, "Shadows: Chapter Five"
Batman '89 #6, "Shadows: Chapter Six"


1995
October 23
Batman Forever Chapter 1 (0:01:10 - 0:02:17)
Batman Forever Chapter 2 (0:02:18 - 0:05:30)
Batman Forever Chapter 3 (0:05:31 - 0:10:10)
Batman Forever Chapter 4 (0:10:11 - 0:12:40)

October 24
Batman Forever Chapter 5 (0:12:41 - 0:16:36)
Batman Forever Chapter 6 (0:16:37 - 0:19:55)
Batman Forever Chapter 7 (0:19:56 - 0:24:51)

October 25
Batman Forever Chapter 8 (0:24:52 - 0:29:09)

October 26
Batman Forever Chapter 9 (0:29:10 - 0:32:56)
Batman Forever Chapter 10 (0:32:57 - 0:41:02)

October 27
Batman Forever Chapter 11 (0:41:03 - 0:44:09)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:44:10 - 0:40:39)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:44:48 - 0:44:49)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:44:54 - 0:44:55)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:45:01 - 0:45:02)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:45:10 - 0:45:12)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:46:01 - 0:46:51)
Batman Forever Chapter 13 (0:46:52 - 0:48:08)
Batman Forever Chapter 14 (0:48:09 - 0:50:49)
Batman Forever Chapter 15 (0:50:50 - 0:56:48)
Batman Forever Chapter 16 (0:56:49 - 0:56:52)

October 28
Batman Forever
Chapter 16 (0:56:53 - 0:58:16)

October 29
Batman Forever Chapter 17 (0:58:17 - 1:00:41)

October 30
Batman Forever Chapter 17 (1:00:42 - 1:01:50)
Batman Forever Chapter 18 (1:01:51 - 1:04:44)
Batman Forever Chapter 19 (1:04:45 - 1:08:37)
Batman Forever Chapter 20 (1:08:38 - 1:10:24)
Batman Forever Chapter 21 (1:10:25 - 1:15:13)
Batman Forever Chapter 22 (1:15:14 - 1:19:55)
Batman Forever Chapter 23 (1:19:56 - 1:21:59)

October 31
Batman Forever Chapter 24 (1:22:00 - 1:24:06)
Batman Forever Chapter 25 (1:24:07 - 1:24:58)
Batman Forever Chapter 26 (1:24:59 - 1:26:17)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:26:18 - 1:29:10)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:29:11 - 1:30:53) (Sound Only)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:30:54 - 1:31:35)
Batman Forever Chapter 28 (1:31:36 - 1:35:50)

November 1
Batman Forever
Chapter 29 (1:36:31 - 1:37:24)
Batman Forever Chapter 30 (1:37:25 - 1:39:55)
Batman Forever Chapter 31 (1:39:56 - 1:41:11)
Batman Forever Chapter 32 (1:41:12 - 1:42:53)
Batman Forever Chapter 33 (1:42:54 - 1:44:58)
Batman Forever Chapter 34 (1:44:59 - 1:52:35)
Batman Forever Chapter 35 (1:52:36 - 1:53:44)
Batman Forever Chapter 36 (1:53:45 - 1:54:41)

November
Batman Forever
Chapter 37 (1:54:42 - 1:56:03)
Batman Forever Chapter 38 (1:56:04 - 1:57:32)

December
Batman & Robin: Robin: Facing the Enemy

1997
????
Batman & Robin
Chapter 1 (0:01:13 - 0:03:50)
Batman & Robin Chapter 2 (0:03:51 - 0:09:12)
Batman & Robin Chapter 3 (0:09:13 - 0:13:25)
Batman & Robin Chapter 4 (0:13:26 - 0:15:11)
Batman & Robin Chapter 5 (0:15:12 - 0:19:09)
Batman & Robin Chapter 6 (0:19:10 - 0:21:00)
Batman & Robin Chapter 7 (0:21:01 - 0:23:42)
Batman & Robin Chapter 7 (0:23:56 - 0:24:03)
Batman & Robin Chapter 8 (0:24:04 - 0:26:35)
Batman & Robin Chapter 9 (0:26:36 - 0:29:12)
Batman & Robin Chapter 10 (0:29:13 - 0:31:41)
Batman & Robin Chapter 11 (0:31:42 - 0:33:58)
Batman & Robin Chapter 12 (0:33:59 - 0:38:41)
Batman & Robin Chapter 13 (0:38:42 - 0:39:54)
Batman & Robin Chapter 14 (0:39:55 - 0:45:31)
Batman & Robin Chapter 15 (0:45:32 - 0:48:47)
Batman & Robin Chapter 16 (0:48:48 - 0:50:53)
Batman & Robin Chapter 17 (0:50:54 - 0:53:10)
Batman & Robin Chapter 17 (0:53:22 - 0:54:27)
Batman & Robin Chapter 18 (0:54:28 - 0:56:23)
Batman & Robin Chapter 19 (0:56:24 - 0:59:29)
Batman & Robin Chapter 20 (0:59:30 - 1:01:04)
Batman & Robin Chapter 21 (1:01:05 - 1:06:00)
Batman & Robin Chapter 22 (1:06:01 - 1:07:47)
Batman & Robin Chapter 23 (1:07:48 - 1:12:16)
Batman & Robin Chapter 24 (1:12:17 - 1:16:00)
Batman & Robin Chapter 25 (1:16:01 - 1:20:16)
Batman & Robin Chapter 26 (1:20:17 - 1:22:59)
Batman & Robin Chapter 27 (1:23:00 - 1:25:40)
Batman & Robin Chapter 28 (1:25:41 - 1:28:47)
Batman & Robin Chapter 29 (1:28:48 - 1:30:13)
Batman & Robin Chapter 29 (1:30:23 - 1:32:01)
Batman & Robin Chapter 30 (1:32:02 - 1:33:24)
Batman & Robin Chapter 31 (1:33:25 - 1:35:15)
Batman & Robin Chapter 32 (1:35:16 - 1:36:24)
Batman & Robin Chapter 33 (1:36:25 - 1:41:20)
Batman & Robin Chapter 34 (1:41:21 - 1:44:21)
Batman & Robin Chapter 35 (1:44:22 - 1:48:31)
Batman & Robin Chapter 36 (1:48:32 - 1:49:53)
Batman & Robin Chapter 37 (1:49:54 - 1:51:43)
Batman & Robin Chapter 38 (1:51:44 - 1:53:33)
Batman & Robin Chapter 39 (1:53:34 - 1:56:28)
Batman & Robin Chapter 40 (1:56:29 - 1:57:25)
Batman & Robin Chapter 41 (1:57:26 - 1:50:40)
Batman & Robin: Batgirl: To Dare the Darkness

2004
????

Catwoman Chapter 2 (0:03:51 - 0:07:35)
Catwoman Chapter 3 (0:07:36 - 0:11:43)
Catwoman Chapter 4 (0:11:44 - 0:15:37)
Catwoman Chapter 5 (0:15:38 - 0:20:32)
Catwoman Chapter 2 (0:03:24 - 0:03:50)
Catwoman Chapter 6 (0:20:33 - 0:24:05)
Catwoman Chapter 7 (0:24:06 - 0:26:28)
Catwoman Chapter 8 (0:26:29 - 0:28:47)
Catwoman Chapter 9 (0:28:48 - 0:31:59)
Catwoman Chapter 10 (0:32:00 - 0:34:49)
Catwoman Chapter 11 (0:34:50 - 0:37:26)
Catwoman Chapter 12 (0:37:27 - 0:40:24)
Catwoman Chapter 13 (0:40:25 - 0:44:40)
Catwoman Chapter 14 (0:44:41 - 0:49:01)
Catwoman Chapter 15 (0:49:02 - 0:52:56)
Catwoman Chapter 16 (0:52:57 - 0:55:34)
Catwoman Chapter 17 (0:55:35 - 0:57:59)
Catwoman Chapter 18 (0:58:00 - 1:01:15)
Catwoman Chapter 19 (1:01:16 - 1:03:27)
Catwoman Chapter 20 (1:03:28 - 1:07:29)
Catwoman Chapter 21 (1:07:30 - 1:11:14)
Catwoman Chapter 22 (1:11:15 - 1:14:38)
Catwoman Chapter 23 (1:14:39 - 1:17:27)
Catwoman Chapter 24 (1:17:28 - 1:20:41)
Catwoman Chapter 25 (1:20:42 - 1:22:58)
Catwoman Chapter 26 (1:22:59 - 1:25:00)
Catwoman Chapter 27 (1:25:01 - 1:28:00)
Catwoman Chapter 28 (1:28:01 - 1:33:01)
Catwoman Chapter 29 (1:33:02 - 1:34:29)


2019
December 10

Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 1" (0:01:28 - 0:01:42) [Pre-Crisis]

2022
????

The Flash** (June 3, 2022)

Viewing Order
Batman
Batman Returns

Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me"

Batman '89 #1, "Shadows: Chapter One"
Batman '89 #2, "Shadows: Chapter Two"
Batman '89 #3, "Shadows: Chapter Three"
Batman '89 #4, "Shadows: Chapter Four"
Batman '89 #5, "Shadows: Chapter Five"
Batman '89 #6, "Shadows: Chapter Six"

Batman Forever
Batman & Robin: Robin: Facing the Enemy
Batman & Robin
Batman & Robin: Batgirl: To Dare the Darkness

Catwoman
Supergirl
5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 1"
The Flash** (June 3, 2022)
 
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For the purpose of this timeline, if Michael Keaton signs on as Batman, I'll include that as apart of this universe regardless of whether they ignore Batman Forever and Batman & Robin unless they contradict those events beyond saving. I'll have to separate them if that happens, which means Batman and Batman Returns would be considered happening twice on two different universes.

An example of how this would work:
Not a contradiction
  • Showing the Batmobile from the Burton films but not the Schumacher films.
  • Showing the Batsuits from the Burton films but not the Schumacher films.
  • Having the Batcave look like the Burton films and not the Schumacher films. (Different parts of the cave/renovation/X-Men does it too)
  • Having Barbara Gordon instead of Barbara Williams.
  • Using a different actor to portray a character from the Schumacher films.
  • Batman still kills. (Pushing it)

Contradiction
  • Showing Val Kilmer or George Clooney as a separate Batman in the multiverse.
  • Batman mentions never having a sidekick/partner.
Essentially, they really have to commit to separate them. If enough "iffy" stuff happens that's not a contradiction alone, that may be enough.

I'll also include any appearance by that Batman on the viewing order too.

Edit:
Batman '89 has provided a single contradiction so far, in that Harvey Dent is scarred is a different manner. Will likely split the timeline if this occurs more.
 
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I'm watching '89, and a Newspaper at the start has the date November 25, then another November 14, then November 7 in that order.

Based on this, I'm going with:
November 25 is correct
November 14 is incorrect
November 6 is incorrect, but is taken as December 6 because of a short time jump since Joker unleashed his "product"

Is this fair?

Also, did some math to work out when Thomas and Martha were murdered using Michael Keaton's age, since he's the original and most prominent Batman actor, and I'm surprised how close the flashbacks are.

Theres a newspaper reporting on the event dated what looks like October 19th. Since it happened at night, I'd assume it would have been released the following day, pacing in on October 18th.
 
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I'm watching '89, and a Newspaper at the start has the date November 25, then another November 14, then November 7 in that order.

Based on this, I'm going with:
November 25 is correct
November 14 is incorrect
November 6 is incorrect, but is taken as December 6 because of a short time jump since Joker unleashed his laughing "product"

Is this fair?

Which one is this one? Was this in the movie?
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Which one is this one? Was this in the movie?
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Chapter 6: November 25
Chapter 20: November 14
Chapter 24: November 7

I haven't seen that one.

I have noticed how much the film wants to be 1947, however.

This film is all kinds of contradictory. It does seem to be mostly consistently set in November, at least.

Edit:
Chapter 11: Batman foils Robbery

No close up on the newspaper, so I think that one can be discarded.

Chapter 14: WFTGG

This one is more clear, but it's just not as concrete as the other more clear dates.

So:
Chapter 6: November 25
Chapter 11: October 18
Chapter 14: November 11
Chapter 20: November 14
Chapter 24: November 7

Definitely November.
 
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So it will basically be like superman returns where superman 3 and 4 were not mentioned.
Possibly. For the purpose of this timeline, I'm gonna include it all until that is fully 100% clear and The Flash is incompatible with those films.

It's confirmed the Schumacher films are in Earth-89, per Crisis aftermath and a review about Catwoman on the official DC YouTube channel, and it's confirmed they're disregarding them according to TheWrap. I'm assuming that The Flash will have Keaton come from Earth-89.

I can think of a couple explanations.
1. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are retroactively a different Earth, say Earth-95, where Batman and Batman Returns happened but The Flash didn't.

2. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin still happened but are ignored for the sake of them being unpopular. (My hope)

3. Keaton comes from a different universe (imagine Earth-96, would be awesome) where the Schumacher films didn't happen.

4. In the new multiverse after Crisis, Earth-89 diverged after 1992 into the reality that is shown in The Flash, even though they hinted that the universes are restored to their original history (I assume Oliver felt sorry for Clark in Earth-96).

I'm holding out till 2022. It's a long time, anything could happen. I've seen possibly completely false reports that it's just a cameo, and if that's the case, it's basically the same Batman. If he has a substantial role, it depends. I guess the only thing that could really separate them is if he says that Two-Face is still around dispite his death in Batman Forever, though I suppose if Joker is alive anyone could be.

On a smaller note, if Superman Returns didn't contradict Superman III, I'd include them as the same continuity, especially because of the Superman III reference in Crisis, but they can't be because Martha Kent died in Superman III.
 
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The second story is clearly the Burtonverse. Catwoman wears the same suit. The wiki seems to agree, too.

However, Penguin appears on a computer screen alive. Should it be assumed the story is somehow during Batman Returns, dispite the fact that Penguin looks majorly different to Danny Devito, or that Penguin was resurrected/had a successor, like Joker? I'm more leaning to the successor idea. Seems more likely. I mean... just look at him.
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Hell, maybe this is canon now, haha.
I always thought of it more as a Birds of Prey prequel, the actor and suit matching that continuity, but let's take a look at it with the new information.

Pros
Batsuit
Batmobile
'89 theme
Alfred Pennyworth

Cons
Joker (retroactively alive/replaced)
Penguin (retroactively alive/replaced)
Riddler without brain injury

The only error that now exists is Riddler, but I suppose he could have recovered eventually. He gave me very Jim Carrey vibes in that scene.

Vicki Vale and James Gordon also appear. Recasts aren't a problem and we only heard James Gordon's voice. I guess Bruce and Vicki got back together.
 
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The second story is clearly the Burtonverse. Catwoman wears the same suit. The wiki seems to agree, too.

However, Penguin appears on a computer screen alive. Should it be assumed the story is somehow during Batman Returns, dispite the fact that Penguin looks majorly different to Danny Devito, or that Penguin was resurrected/had a successor, like Joker? I'm more leaning to the successor idea. Seems more likely. I mean... just look at him.
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Hell, maybe this is canon now, haha.
I always thought of it more as a Birds of Prey prequel, the actor and suit matching that continuity, but let's take a look at it with the new information.

Pros
Batsuit
Batmobile
'89 theme
Alfred Pennyworth

Cons
Joker (retroactively alive/replaced)
Penguin (retroactively alive/replaced)
Riddler without brain injury

The only error that now exists is Riddler, but I suppose he could have recovered eventually. He gave me very Jim Carrey vibes in that scene.

Vicki Vale and James Gordon also appear. Recast aren't a problem and we only heard James Gordon's voice. I guess Bruce and Vicki got back together.

Birds of Prey resembles the Burtonverse, but more or less the same way Titans looks like the DCEU - but they're not connected.

Side note: but Lois & Clark (the 90s TV series) did have the Burtonverse Batmobile in one episode. If anything, Birds of Prey and Lois & Clark are their own little shared universe. Probably not, but the Burtonverse still doesn't fit with those two shows. :p
 

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Birds of Prey resembles the Burtonverse, but more or less the same way Titans looks like the DCEU - but they're not connected.

Side note: but Lois & Clark (the 90s TV series) did have the Burtonverse Batmobile in one episode. If anything, Birds of Prey and Lois & Clark are their own little shared universe. Probably not, but the Burtonverse still doesn't fit with those two shows. :p
I was suggesting that OnStar could be in the Burtonverse now that we know canonically a new version of Penguin exists, but I used to pretend that it was in the Birds of Prey continuity, since the actor and suit match.

Essentially, I always took OnStar as a silly non-canon advertisement, but seeing how both Joker and penguin exist (see above image) after their deaths, and the various connections to the Burtonverse, I guess OnStar is canon now.

How does Lois & Clark contradict the Burtonverse? I'm pretty sure the only thing we know about that version of Batman is that he had the same Batmobile from the first two Batman films, and it was stolen.

I suppose you could argue that the original Burtonverse Batmobile was destroyed, though if you take OnStar as canon, which seems to be supported by Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me", which features the Michelle Pfeiffer Catwoman and a tv screen with not Danny DeVito's Penguin, then Batman recreated that version of the Batmobile. Perhaps he got sick of the disco ball and felt he needed a retro touch.
 
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Earth-89 Batman's Batsuit and Batmobile concept art.

Not the only multiverse crossover.
 
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I watched the clip from Lois & Clark with the Batmobile. A very similar theme to the '89 theme plays, or a least I think it did. They state that they're "batty" about having it, it being a one of a kind car.
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I don't particularly want to add it, but it makes sense. Batman has his car stolen, and ends up with a new one in Batman Forever. Batman Forever references Metropolis, and Batman & Robin references Superman, with Metropolis being referenced in a deleted scene.

Having the '89 Batmobile doesn't technically mean it's in this universe, though. Earth-99's Batman, played by Kevin Conroy in Crisis on Infinite Earths, had the '89 Batmobile too.

If I did, it would be too inconsequential to matter, unless '89 Superman appears in The Flash or something. The only point would be to be complete.

Edit: Now that I think about it, it could explain how he has the '89 Batmobile in OnStar and The Flash. It was stolen, he replaced it, and then acquired it again.

I guess I could include it, leave a note explaining that it's canonicity is debatable, and if it ends up another earth, move it. No big deal. Though, if it is connected, Wonder Woman exists in this universe.

Now that I think about it, surely Batman would mention whether his world has a Flash in The Flash. Someone did have a Jay Garrick helmet in Batman Returns...
 
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I'd guess Batman '89 takes place in 1993, maybe but not definitely retconing the Schumacher films into pre-crisis ready for The Flash, and Superman '78 takes place between 2015-2019, or perhaps even post-crisis.

Maybe they'll even confirm that the Superman film series takes place in the 1970s and 1980s as originally intended.

Or maybe Christopher Reeve is post-crisis and Superman Returns is Pre-Crisis.
 

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