Batman Anthology - Timeline

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I would just divide it into two timelines:
Earth-89 and Earth 97.
Should Catwoman (2004 Movie) be set in Earth-89 or Earth-97, though? Based on release dates, it should be Earth-97.

Though, there's the interpretation that Earth-97 shares a very similar history with Earth-89 but the actual films Batman/Batman Returns didn't happen exactly in Earth-97. Thus, Harvey Dent's skin colour and the Thomas/Martha death scene being slightly different looking. In that case, Catwoman should be set in Earth-89 as it shares stronger connections with Batman Returns. We could also put Catwoman 80th Anniversary on Earth-97, as maybe Penguin survived in that universe. Joker is totally dead in both, though (maybe not anymore in Earth-89).

In that case:
Earth-89
1989 - Batman
1992 - Batman Returns
1993 - Batman '89
2004 - Catwoman
2019 - Crisis on Infinite Earths
2022 - The Flash

Earth-97

1995 - Batman Forever
1997 - Batman & Robin
200? - Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me"


However, in Earth-66 (and Earth-76), Catwoman changes appearances and skin colour serveral times. That's not an issue.
 
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Should Catwoman (2004 Movie) be set in Earth-89 or Earth-97, though? Based on release dates, it should be Earth-97.

Though, there's the interpretation that Earth-97 shares a very similar history with Earth-89 but the actual films Batman/Batman Returns didn't happen exactly in Earth-97. Thus, Harvey Dent's skin colour and the Thomas/Martha death scene being slightly different looking. In that case, Catwoman should be set in Earth-89 as it shares stronger connections with Batman Returns. We could also put Catwoman 80th Anniversary on Earth-97, as maybe Penguin survived in that universe. Joker is totally dead in both, though (maybe not anymore in Earth-89).

In that case:
Earth-89
1989 - Batman
1992 - Batman Returns
1993 - Batman '89
2004 - Catwoman
2019 - Crisis on Infinite Earths
2022 - The Flash

Earth-97

1995 - Batman Forever
1997 - Batman & Robin
200? - Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me"


However, in Earth-66 (and Earth-76), Catwoman changes appearances and skin colour serveral times. That's not an issue.
https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Batman_'89_Issue_4#Notes we have hint of the timeline
 

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Rumours are Val Kilmers Batman could be in The Flash using CGI and body doubles with his blessing.

If so, I'm pleased that the canon between these movies is clearer. Hopefully people don't start saying that Batman & Robin is seperate from Batman Forever because they didn't use George Clooney, though. :p

Gain of salt.
 
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Nope. Let's assume that Keaton merges with the DCEU (because otherwise there is nothing to discuss):

1. Kwing is using his bias because he doesn't like those comics. He has absolutely no grounds to stand on when he says it isn't canon. In fact, it's an officially licensed continuation clearly meant to coincide with The Flash. General canon rules, as always, is canon until contradicted by higher piece of media.

2. There's more than one Robin. Drake Winston could be the first Robin, and Dick Grayson could be the second. Even if Drake Winston doesn't exist in the DCEU, Batman '89 will still be canon to the original Keaton Batman universe seen in Batman, Batman Returns and The Flash, which Batgirl is not set in.

3. That would be in a post-Flash universe, which, ASSUMING that's Keaton, has a different history already. JK Simmons is Gordon in The Flash. He's much younger than the Burtonverse Gordon... which means that Gordon would be the same age as Batman and not comfort him after his parents died. Joker died in Earth-89 while in the new hypothetical DCEU earth Harley Quinn would still exist. Unless they want to do multiple Jokers, which... has precedence.

4. It doesn't even have to be Keaton. It depends on how he got to the DC Extended Universe.

To better explain:
Earth-1 - DC Extended Universe (Man of Steel to The Flash)
Earth-89 - Burtonverse (Batman to The Flash)

New Earth - DC Extended Universe (The Flash onwards)

New Earth would have elements of both.

Now, this is again very hypothetical, but that's the
 
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Nope. Let's assume that Keaton merges with the DCEU (because otherwise there is nothing to discuss):

1. Kwing is using his bias because he doesn't like those comics. He has absolutely no grounds to stand on when he says it isn't canon. In fact, it's an officially licensed continuation clearly meant to coincide with The Flash. General canon rules, as always, is canon until contradicted by higher piece of media. we all bias

2. There's more than one Robin. Drake Winston could be the first Robin, and Dick Grayson could be the second. Even if Drake Winston doesn't exist in the DCEU, Batman '89 will still be canon to the original Keaton Batman universe seen in Batman, Batman Returns and The Flash, which Batgirl is not set in. Maybe.

3. That would be in a post-Flash universe, which, ASSUMING that's Keaton, has a different history already. JK Simmons is Gordon in The Flash. He's much younger than the Burtonverse Gordon... which means that Gordon would be the same age as Batman and not comfort him after his parents died. Joker died in Earth-89 while in the new hypothetical DCEU earth Harley Quinn would still exist. Unless they want to do multiple Jokers, which... has precedence. which it is not new to batman

4. It doesn't even have to be Keaton. It depends on how he got to the DC Extended Universe.

To better explain:
Earth-1 - DC Extended Universe (Man of Steel to The Flash)
Earth-89 - Burtonverse (Batman to The Flash) maybe

New Earth - DC Extended Universe (The Flash onwards) probably

New Earth would have elements of both. I think in my opinion....it will.

Now, this is again very hypothetical, Agreed, we don't know what will happen in the future .
 
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I hope Catwoman (the movie) ain't gonna become DCEU canon. Earth-97 maybe?
It could be either, honestly. The film just has a bigger connection to the Burtonverse than the Schumacherverse (even though the same events happened, basically).

That Catwoman review video from DC did specifically mention it being connected to Crisis' Earth-89... but also listed it as being linked to the Burton AND Schumacher movies.

I really doubt DC will make it relevant either way. It can be in Earth-89, but then not have any elements make it over. (Though, it's an easy excuse to keep Batman Returns' Catwoman and have a completely new one for Gotham City Sirens)

If they really end up merging with the DCEU, it would only be elements of the Burtonverse. We already know that Gordon is much younger in Batgirl than in the Batman films.
 
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