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iammattie

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What about Chris O'Donnell as Dick Grayson/Nightwing?
My thoughts are that the Kingdom Come World is a merging of Burtonverse/Donnerverse (Superman 1,2, Returns) following up on that "Superman Works Alone" line in Batman and Robin. Since they've recast that Batman multiple times before, Conroy can be him no problem. Burt Ward may be a reprisal of that worlds Robin (hence why they haven't announced his character yet. Doesnt make sense to me to bring in 66verse without west.) Ted, from WDb, thinks that the newspaper might be a Birds of Prey reference since in that universe Helena was Batman/Catwoman's daughter, but she was Helena Kyle and didnt know about her dad so idk.
 

Pro Bot

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My thoughts are that the Kingdom Come World is a merging of Burtonverse/Donnerverse (Superman 1,2, Returns) following up on that "Superman Works Alone" line in Batman and Robin. Since they've recast that Batman multiple times before, Conroy can be him no problem. Burt Ward may be a reprisal of that worlds Robin (hence why they haven't announced his character yet. Doesnt make sense to me to bring in 66verse without west.) Ted, from WDb, thinks that the newspaper might be a Birds of Prey reference since in that universe Helena was Batman/Catwoman's daughter, but she was Helena Kyle and didnt know about her dad so idk.
Can't be Birds of Prey in my opinion, since Joker dies in '89 and Barbara is related to Alfred Pennyworth in the Burtonverse while shes related to James Gordon in the Birds of Prey universe. Why would they show Michael Keaton too?

I like the idea that this is the Kingdom Come universe. How about getting a Ryan Reynolds Hal Jordan reference too, or even the 2011 Wonder Woman pilot for the sake of it?

I think it is the Dozierverse Robin since the bright colours match the '66 atmosphere and the sweater is in Robin colours, which, to me, implies a connection. I think we can all agree that's Bat Hound, right?

The Arrowverse has actually used something from the Burtonverse before already, and it's not Mr. Freeze's Freeze Gun.
 
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TalonCard

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Given that this is supposed to be Crisis on Infinite Earths, I can't imagine they'd combine many, if any, of the previously unrelated movie/film universes. More movies/shows=more Earths.
 

Pro Bot

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Given that this is supposed to be Crisis on Infinite Earths, I can't imagine they'd combine many, if any, of the previously unrelated movie/film universes. More movies/shows=more Earths.
No kidding.
Diggle when he finds out he's next to the bloody Devil would be so damn awesome. Clark Kent looks like Cain, so that's an interesting interaction idea. Not sure on reliability here, though.

Now, I'd like a tie in to Swamp Thing...
 
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iammattie

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Given that this is supposed to be Crisis on Infinite Earths, I can't imagine they'd combine many, if any, of the previously unrelated movie/film universes. More movies/shows=more Earths.
I can understand this take, but simultaneously, Infinite Earths doesn't mean infinite screen time.
 

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selfishmisery

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I gotta be honest with you guys. I've been totally exhausted and physically sick this whole month...haven't had the motivation to do anything other than sleep in bed tbh.

I'm trying to get out of this funk as soon as I can so I can get back to this. :(
 

iammattie

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I gotta be honest with you guys. I've been totally exhausted and physically sick this whole month...haven't had the motivation to do anything other than sleep in bed tbh.

I'm trying to get out of this funk as soon as I can so I can get back to this. :(
Hope you get to feeling better! Rest assured that we probably all agree that your personal health is of more importance than message board posts about fictional timelines. Don't feel bad about it, rest up!
 

Pro Bot

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Don't you just love a recast?
Oh well, it's not like they're retconing the Constantine series. They confirmed it's canon, referenced the events in Arrow's episode, used a version of his theme, used stock footage and cast an actress who's black to play Astra, which would be a strange coincidence if they weren't connected, especially since Astra is traditionally white.
The Arrowverse's producers have previously said that NBC's Constantine series isn't set in the traditional Arrowverse, even though Matt Ryan has continued to reprise his role as John Constantine in DC's Legends of Tomorrow.
Lying about what your own website reported? Maybe they have a short memory, or are talking about another source.
In terms of whether we should assume that this is firmly considered the same version of Constantine from his own series (and thus retroactively linking the Constantine series to the Arrow-verse), Mericle said, “Absolutely. He is coming in fully as who he was on the show. We’re getting wardrobe. We’re very excited to have him. He’s a tremendous actor. It’s so cool to have that cross-pollination. We are very lucky and DC was very generous letting us have him.”
Get well soon.
 
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TalonCard

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I mean, there's no reason why this Jim Corrigan can't be from some other Earth in the multiverse. Still, a recast or retconning NBC Constantine to another Earth wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
 

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Still, a recast or retconning NBC Constantine to another Earth wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.
Recast - yes
Retcon - no

While it's not the worst thing in the world, nothing except the worst thing in the world is. I'd definitely prefer they keep Constantine canon over a retcon, since that show was quite good and expanded on the understanding of the Arrowverse's history, particularly that involving magic. I guess Lucifer takes up that space now, though.
 
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TalonCard

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Wouldn't Lucifer be on another Earth, though? I'd much rather see the Constantine rising darkness plot and characters return on Legends, but I could live with Constantine being relagated officially to another Earth if the continuity is weighing them down.

Also, the actor who played Corrigan on Constantine also played Lobo on Krypton?! So they replaced Lobo with Lobo? So confusing... ;)
 

Rman

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Just finished Arrow 6x20 "Shifting Allegiances" as part of my rewatch and there is a 04/27/18 date signature on the executive order that Diaz wants Quentin Lance to sign. The episode seems to take place over 3 days (04/26/18-04/28/18) and Diaz mentions moving Oliver's trial up to next week which is confirmed as May 3rd (where it's currently placed on the timeline) so it does fit. The only issue I see is the mention of Rene being in the hospital for over a month when at this point, it would have been around 2 months.
 

selfishmisery

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I'm feeling a better today, after two weeks of sickness. I'll try to get back into this today for sure.

Just finished Arrow 6x20 "Shifting Allegiances" as part of my rewatch and there is a 04/27/18 date signature on the executive order that Diaz wants Quentin Lance to sign. The episode seems to take place over 3 days (04/26/18-04/28/18) and Diaz mentions moving Oliver's trial up to next week which is confirmed as May 3rd (where it's currently placed on the timeline) so it does fit. The only issue I see is the mention of Rene being in the hospital for over a month when at this point, it would have been around 2 months.
Noted. And I remember your other suggestions too.
 

Pro Bot

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In the new multiverse map, Earth-22, the Kingdom Come universe in the comics, has the text Antimatter signature detected. Bye bye Singerverse.
 

Dok95

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At least to the 3rd episode, at most the 8th episode.
Soo, now we have synopsis for 4th and 5th episodes:

Episode 4: "Who Are You?"
"A new villain with an eye for all things that sparkle drops in on the city. Kate attempts to find a balance between her personal life and her new role as Gotham's guardian. Catherine has an uncomfortable encounter with Alice who always seems to be one step ahead of the Kane family. Batwoman pays fangirl Mary a visit to ask for a favor. Meanwhile, Jacob and Sophie try to piece together who was after their prisoner. Luke continues to finetune Batwoman's arsenal of weapons as the pair track their unwelcome visitor and discover she has more sinister plans than snatching shiny objects."

==> http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20191011cw01/

Episode 5: "Mine Is a Long and Sad Tale"
"Alice takes Kate down the sad, winding road of her life in the days after the accident as Jacob and Sophie attempt to track them. Mary has an argument with Catherine which sends her looking for Kate at Wayne Tower, but instead she becomes unwelcome company for Luke."

==> http://thefutoncritic.com/listings/20191017cw01/

Sooo, do we have any clues if one of these episodes (3 to 5) will take place AFTER Elseworlds?
It looks like Kate will have the red wig in Episode 3 ("Down Down Down"), the one that she had in Elseworlds: http://batwomantv.com/batwoman-down-down-down-photos-gabriel-mann-is-tommy-elliot/

Also, photos for Episode 4 ("Who Are You?"): http://batwomantv.com/batwoman-episode-4-photos-who-are-you/
 

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