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Pro Bot

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I heard it does have some feminist garbage in it, but that it isn't so woke that it'll collapse hard like Ghostbusters did. I'm totally going to wait for the blu ray though.
From what I've heard, that's just rumblings from Ewan McGregor. Quite a hypocrite for him talking about every day discrimination, if you know the guy.
He gave us the best Obi-Wan Kenobi, though, I'll give him that.
So it's apparently really respectable, thankfully. No mansplaining that Ewan suggested would be present. Sounds like a pretty good film about women coming together when in need.

I always like to keep a nice blu-ray collection, too.
 
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selfishmisery

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I heard it does have some feminist garbage in it, but that it isn't so woke that it'll collapse hard like Ghostbusters did. I'm totally going to wait for the blu ray though.
>feminist garbage
>woke

Ooof. Not a fan of that vocabulary.
Honestly I don't care if some of the messages are on the nose, I'm a huge DC fan and I don't look for things to be...no offense, offended by.
 

Pro Bot

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>feminist garbage
>woke

Ooof. Not a fan of that vocabulary.
Honestly I don't care if some of the messages are on the nose, I'm a huge DC fan and I don't look for things to be...no offense, offended by.
I'm imagining your shocked Wolverine profile picture while reading that.

I don't like those terms either. Seems hateful and extreme to my point of view.

I wish we weren't all so political in our movies, in terms of both sides of the spectrum, unless it makes sense for the content of that movie. I'd rather watch films for the quality in them, but sometimes some messages can detract from my experience because it feels really unnatural in terms of how a film flows, like cutting in a sentence about how the women are always saving the men in a sequel to a film where a man saved almost everyone in an explosion. It's not like they're a team that save each other regardless of gender and have done so in the past, right?

Usually, it's just a small piece of dialogue that I'd roll my eyes at and continue watching without much trouble. It doesn't hurt me, it hurts or helps the film ever so gently depending on the subject matter and execution, it's generally fine in terms of the message. Maybe someone will appreciate it somewhere.

Anyway, Birds of Prey seems fine, again, looking forward to it more because of the decent reviews. Always good to see DC's film universe moving forward. Hopefully it keeps this momentum up and the leaks about Wonder Woman 1984 are either exaggerated or better on film.
 

Dok95

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So I think I'll going to watch the movie in theater, since the only thing I enjoyed in Suicide Squad was Harley Quinn's character (and other few things)! :p
It can be considered as the Part Two of Harley Quinn's arc in DCEU, and her Part Three will be in The Suicide Squad next year in 2021?

Also, maybe in Birds of Prey there are some nice DCEU cameos and perhaps a teasing for The Suicide Suqad?
 
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TalonCard

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I just saw Birds of Prey; the characters and action sequences are all pretty great. My girlfriend was really, really into it, and we both appreciated the little moments that made the characters more human amongst all the wackiness. It's smaller in scale than Aquaman and Wonder Woman and doesn't have the charm of Shazam, but it's more coherent than Suicide Squad and works as a standalone movie better than BvS and Justice League. The soundtrack is great too.

There's some fourth-wall breaking humor that didn't really land for me; it felt a little forced and unoriginal compared to Deadpool or the LEGO Batman movie.

I'm really only familiar with the CW versions of Huntress and Black Canary, so I can't really tell if they are/are not faithful to the comics. They are pretty different from the TV shows, but I appreciated these interpretations of the characters.

Apart from the use of flashback footage for Harley's origin, there's a quick reference to the events of Suicide Squad, which I appreciated. I seemed to remember reading that the films wouldn't acknowledge each other. (Maybe I'm thinking of Suicide Squad 2.)
 

Dallas Kinard

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>feminist garbage
>woke

Ooof. Not a fan of that vocabulary.
Honestly I don't care if some of the messages are on the nose, I'm a huge DC fan and I don't look for things to be...no offense, offended by.
By "feminist garbage" I mean if the message is "Men bad, women good!" then I stand by my comment. If the film promotes actual equality of the sexes, then I'm all for it.

By "woke" I mean liberal/leftist agenda in film. Hollywood is notorious for being left-leaning and I think most people are sick of it.

I assume this is a tolerant forum though, and we can all feel comfortable sharing our differing views without fear of being silenced.
 

TalonCard

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I mean, I would say that dismissing something as garbage based on something someone said about something you haven't seen is its own brand of garbage, if we're using that word, but to each their own.
 

Dallas Kinard

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I mean, I would say that dismissing something as garbage based on something someone said about something you haven't seen is its own brand of garbage, if we're using that word, but to each their own.
From reviews I've watched, it seems that the marketing was more "garbage" than the actual movie. Which is a relief. I don't go to movies (especially comic book movies about a bunch of criminals) to be preached to or patronized and I'm sure everyone shares that sentiment here.
 

Pro Bot

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From reviews I've watched, it seems that the marketing was more "garbage" than the actual movie. Which is a relief. I don't go to movies (especially comic book movies about a bunch of criminals) to be preached to or patronized and I'm sure everyone shares that sentiment here.
Unfortunately, that marketing has lead many to the conclusion you came to, contributing to it failing at the box office. Ironic, the more they try, the less people want to see it.

Oh well, I'd rather have a good box office failure than a bad box office success.
 

Dallas Kinard

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Unfortunately, that marketing has lead many to the conclusion you came to, contributing to it failing at the box office. Ironic, the more they try, the less people want to see it.

Oh well, I'd rather have a good box office failure than a bad box office success.
People are tired of forced agendas. We just want good stories and entertaining spectacle. It's why we go to the movies. If I want to be preached at, I'll get on social media or watch the mainstream news.
 

Pro Bot

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People are tired of forced agendas. We just want good stories and entertaining spectacle. It's why we go to the movies. If I want to be preached at, I'll get on social media or watch the mainstream news.
If they do have an agenda in a film, I'd rather it be a meaningful contribution to society and something for people to talk about, like Joker is often thought of in this community in terms of mental health, rather than noise in an otherwise fine film. That type of film is very different to Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn). What Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn) could do is highlight issues of abusive relationships, how one could cope with a breakup or independence (in a non-gender specific way). I haven't seen the film, not sure if they do that or not, but I think we should have gotten a couple more films with Joker and Harley in them if the former is tackled since we only saw them in a... healthy... relationship in Suicide Squad, if you know what I mean.

It's not going to stop me personally from watching something, it's not that annoying, but I just think it might hinder the movies potential, at least a small bit, everytime they do it.
 

TalonCard

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From reviews I've watched, it seems that the marketing was more "garbage" than the actual movie. Which is a relief. I don't go to movies (especially comic book movies about a bunch of criminals) to be preached to or patronized and I'm sure everyone shares that sentiment here.
What exactly is the "garbage" in the the marketing that your reviewers are taking offense to? Is it a phrase or a scene from a trailer, a cast member interview that can be quoted?
 

Pro Bot

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What exactly is the "garbage" in the the marketing that your reviewers are taking offense to? Is it a phrase or a scene from a trailer, a cast member interview that can be quoted?
Eh, this is really all I got right now.
To be honest, that's all that threw me off the film and I'm glad that Ewan McGregor was wrong. I can't tell if he thinks mansplaining about mansplaining will help his film or if he's trying to sabotage it.

Oh, the 2019 coronavirus also contributed to it's box office failure, probably much more significantly.
 
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TalonCard

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I genuinely appreciate you providing a link; it's really calling elements of a film that someone hasn't seen "garbage" that I'm trying to understand, and I don't think you used that word.

That said, I'm still unsure of what it was that threw you off. It's because Ewan McGregor, who played a supporting character in the film, used the phrase "mansplaining" in an article that's citing another article that's citing an interview in another language? It's certainly silly that he would try to take it upon himself to explain the term, but it's pretty far removed from actually seeing the film, and honestly says more about the state of online movie news sites than the film itself.
 

Pro Bot

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I genuinely appreciate you providing a link; it's really calling elements of a film that someone hasn't seen "garbage" that I'm trying to understand, and I don't think you used that word.

That said, I'm still unsure of what it was that threw you off. It's because Ewan McGregor, who played a supporting character in the film, used the phrase "mansplaining" in an article that's citing another article that's citing an interview in another language? It's certainly silly that he would try to take it upon himself to explain the term, but it's pretty far removed from actually seeing the film, and honestly says more about the state of online movie news sites than the film itself.
Ewan McGregor plays the antagonist in the film, Black Mask. Not sure if that counts as a supporting character, though.

Yeah, I think that, as a "feminist" film, he should describe how it portrays potential issues that the protagonists may realistically face rather then how when men explain things it somehow equates to discrimination. That feels like grasping at straws to me.

It wouldn't have stopped me seeing the film, but it did put me off at the time. Still though, Ewan sure chose a strange way to describe the film. Maybe he was ticking boxes for potential viewers to watch the film. It's a big business.
 

Pro Bot

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Are you intepreting "mansplaining" simply as "when a man explains things to a woman"?
Well, obviously it's more patronising, but still, playing off a man as a sexist in a film because they talk to a woman rudely is kinda odd, especially when they wouldn't necessarily be explaining in that manner because they're sexist, they could simply be annoyed or talk that way to everyone.

In terms of the film and how I'd thought they'd deal with it, I'm going to assume Black Mask is interrogating Harley Quinn or explaining something to one of his female henchmen, and is called out for mansplaining by a protagonist, even though he typically talks like this to everyone. It'd just break the flow of the film before it carries on like normal. It's also how he explains it as a feminist film prior and how it attacks every day sexism. It felt like he was implying the whole film would be filled with small scenes that nudge and wink to the audience about this topic, though I admit he did mention it was subtle.

Maybe he just interpreted the film a little differently. No harm done.
 

Dallas Kinard

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Are you intepreting "mansplaining" simply as "when a man explains things to a woman"?
Isn't that essentially what it boils down to in today's culture? My question then becomes, is "womansplaining", "trans-splaining", "(insert race here)splaining" a thing too? I haven't heard those mentioned yet.
 

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