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selfishmisery

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Speaking of retcons, if Pennyworth and Gotham were somehow set on Earth-38, that headcanon would create an logical (plus historical and geographical) issue after Crisis - that being Berlin.

Pennyworth had an off-handed line in episode four about the German Reich (a fourth Reich?) allowing autonomy to the Netherlands in a committee in Berlin.
Meanwhile on Earth-1, in the Legends of Tomorrow episode "No Country for Old Dads", East and West Berlin are a thing as well as East and West Germany.

If Earth-38 included Gotham and Pennyworth and that Earth merges with Earth-1 in Crisis...that would extremely alter the events of the aforementioned Legends of Tomorrow episode.
But that episode is integral to the storyline so...the cold fusion scientist would be stuck in Germany regardless.

Just a thought. Felt like sharing.

EDIT: It's probably inevitable; Batwoman's Gotham City is (almost) EXACTLY like the one from the show Gotham.

As seen here:
2019 - 15 years = 2004 (i.e. the supposed year when Gotham's series finale took place?)
 
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Dok95

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Timeline for Titans and Doom Patrol and other DC Universe streaming service (exclusive) live-action shows.
These timecodes exclude the intros and recaps.
But they said that the Doom Patrol seen in Titans 1×04 isn't the same Doom Patrol in the Doom Patrol TV series, and that Titans and Doom Patrol aren't in the same universe?


And how do we know that Swamp Thing and Stargirl are in the same universe?
 

iammattie

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But they said that the Doom Patrol seen in Titans 1×04 isn't the same Doom Patrol in the Doom Patrol TV series, and that Titans and Doom Patrol aren't in the same universe?


And how do we know that Swamp Thing and Stargirl are in the same universe?
Official press release from DC/WB states Doom Patrol takes place following their episode in Titans.


Show runner has also said:

"They're in the same world. We're asking fans to come to this version of the show knowing that it is the same world, but it's a different continuity. While there are elements of Titans and the show’s introduction of our team, not all characterizations are the same and it's best just to come into it with a fresh look."


Not to mention that episode 2 has references to the Krypto/Superboy ending for Titans season 1 and the death of Melissa Roth from that shows first episode.

Swamp Thing and Stargirl are more in the air. Swamp Thing team has said it COULD coexist, but that they werent concerned with that. My guess is it may be brought back in later like how Constantine was to the Arrowverse. Stargirl set reportedly had a Rita Farr poster, and the DCU Easter eggs blogs suggests there may have been a Stargirl reference in Doom Patrol so there's potential, but no confirmation.


On a seperate note, I've been working on a timeline video for Watchtower Database on both shows, and one of the last things I've gotta pin down is the flashback from Danny the Street. I see here that its marked 2009, but after watching the episode multiple times I've seen nothing that pins it there. Is there a reason for this date?
 

selfishmisery

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On a seperate note, I've been working on a timeline video for Watchtower Database on both shows, and one of the last things I've gotta pin down is the flashback from Danny the Street. I see here that its marked 2009, but after watching the episode multiple times I've seen nothing that pins it there. Is there a reason for this date?
I believe I read that on the Titans wiki. It's not there now so I'll change it.
 

iammattie

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I believe I read that on the Titans wiki. It's not there now so I'll change it.
Gotcha. Their wiki has some stuff in the timeline that isnt even mentioned in the shows, like birthdates for Bruce and such. It's not very reliable IMO. From what I'm seeing Maura says it occurred "a couple years back" so really no telling, but 2017 at latest
 

selfishmisery

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BTW Mattie, if you're making a timeline video for both shows, please take into account that Chief in Titans mentioned that Rita Farr was in a hospital for "decades" (20 years at the very least.)

If I were to guess, this would likely be sometime after her traumatic encounter with Mento in the 1958, but before 1976 when she's in Doom Manor. 18 years total, which is close to two decades.

IIRC Rita even brings up her time in the hospital in the Doom Patrol episode "Frances Patrol"; so again they're taking what was said in Titans into account. Regardless of Chief looking and sounding a bit different and the "Danny Street" mention by the hunter Dick Grayson beat up.
 
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iammattie

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BTW Mattie, if you're making a timeline video for both shows, please take into account that Chief in Titans mentioned that Rita Farr was in a hospital for "decades" (20 years at the very least.)

If I were to guess, this would likely be sometime after her traumatic encounter with Mento in the 1958, but before 1976 when she's in Doom Manor. 18 years total, which is close to two decades.

IIRC Rita even brings up her time in the hospital in the Doom Patrol episode "Danny Patrol"; so again they're taking what was said in Titans into account. Regardless of Chief looking and sounding a bit different and the "Danny Street" mention by the hunter Dick Grayson beat up.
I put it in there, but I didnt catch that line so I may revisit the ep again and add it. We're at a 20 page script right now and it's been all I've been doing for like the past two weeks
 

selfishmisery

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I put it in there, but I didnt catch that line so I may revisit the ep again and add it. We're at a 20 page script right now and it's been all I've been doing for like the past two weeks
Sorry, not Danny Patrol. The line was actually in the episode "Frances Patrol". Almost 7 minutes into the episode, Rita walks up to Jane and says:
"I once took a respite at Rockhaven Sanitarium in Glendale."

A Sanitarium is a hospital for physical and mental illnesses.
 
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Dok95

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Official press release from DC/WB states Doom Patrol takes place following their episode in Titans.


Show runner has also said:

"They're in the same world. We're asking fans to come to this version of the show knowing that it is the same world, but it's a different continuity. While there are elements of Titans and the show’s introduction of our team, not all characterizations are the same and it's best just to come into it with a fresh look."


Not to mention that episode 2 has references to the Krypto/Superboy ending for Titans season 1 and the death of Melissa Roth from that shows first episode.

Swamp Thing and Stargirl are more in the air. Swamp Thing team has said it COULD coexist, but that they werent concerned with that. My guess is it may be brought back in later like how Constantine was to the Arrowverse. Stargirl set reportedly had a Rita Farr poster, and the DCU Easter eggs blogs suggests there may have been a Stargirl reference in Doom Patrol so there's potential, but no confirmation.


On a seperate note, I've been working on a timeline video for Watchtower Database on both shows, and one of the last things I've gotta pin down is the flashback from Danny the Street. I see here that its marked 2009, but after watching the episode multiple times I've seen nothing that pins it there. Is there a reason for this date?
Oh I see, thanks!
They are both great shows, so if they're in the same timeline, it's perfect! :p
 

iammattie

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Oh I see, thanks!
They are both great shows, so if they're in the same timeline, it's perfect! :p
Yeah, it's certainly a confusing situation, but I think the staff talk about it being different had to do with DP's characterization and overall feel being different from that of Titans as well as the logistics of crossover opportunity (from the outside looking in one could assume that both shows would want to use Cyborg and Beast Boy at points)
 

Dok95

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Will do you do a timeline for TV Series Watchmen? I heard that the original comics is canon, and the TV series begins 34 years after?
 

selfishmisery

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I think you could move Black Lightning to the Arrowverse timeline because:
6 shows:
Arrow
The Flash
Supergirl
DC's Legends of Tomorrow
Black Lightning
Batwoman

FandomWire also said his role is similar to Batwomans in Elseworlds. It's up to you, of cause.
Black Lightning being involved in Crisis doesn't mean he's on Earth-1. He could be on like Earth-16 or Earth-23 or Earth-whatever, and characters have to hop over to recruit him against the Anti-Monitor.

I'll just wait and see dude.
 

Pro Bot

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Black Lightning being involved in Crisis doesn't mean he's on Earth-1. He could be on like Earth-16 or Earth-23 or Earth-whatever, and characters have to hop over to recruit him against the Anti-Monitor.

I'll just wait and see dude.
The point is not that he's on Earth-1/Earth-38, the point is they're trying to make him apart of the Arrowverse formally. 6 shows, not 5, treated like Batwoman in Elseworlds. That's what I'm getting at here.
 

selfishmisery

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Side-note, but my feelings about the Sandman show...

I feel like they need to acknowledge Matt Cable's death from the Swamp Thing series finale. He's the only live-action version of the character, and one that viewers have grown to care about. Although the logistics of it being on a different streaming service than Netflix would make it difficult to present it to viewers who probably haven't seen Swamp Thing, but not impossible. More importantly, he needs that final apology to Abby Arcane before finally expiring. That's extremely integral to his character arc in the Sandman comics. In Swamp Thing, yes he was responsible for killing Alec Holland which is different from the comics but wouldn't effect much in an adaptation. Again that might be a challenge to write for new viewers. But carrying it over to Sandman, not only gives more depth the character within that show but retroactively brings closure to Matt Cable's story in Swamp Thing. It goes beyond just his death, it's his apology and what he saw in his dreams. Matt did fall asleep during his near death experience towards the end of Swamp Thing.

As for Lucifer...I'm kind of expecting a big time jump for the final season. 5 years at the very least. The showrunners stated that he'll be on a much, much darker path in season five - his appearance in Sandman could be in between season 4 and 5 of Lucifer. In Sandman, Lucifer is still in Hell when Dream comes looking for his artifact, but clearly as a more serious individual. There, the aftermath of the events from Season 4 would justify his personality change. But please keep the actor - Tom Ellis.

Remember...Only one Hell and Lucifer Morningstar exist in the Multiverse. There may be two devils, Lucifer and The First of the Fallen, but they're not the same individual; even if they've borrowed names from each other or both ruled their slice of Hell within their own Provinces.
 
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Pro Bot

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Side-note, but my feelings about the Sandman show...

I feel like they need to acknowledge Matt Cable's death from the Swamp Thing series finale. He's the only live-action version of the character, and one that viewers have grown to care about. Although the logistics of it being on a different streaming service than Netflix would make it difficult to present it to viewers who probably haven't seen Swamp Thing, but not impossible. More importantly, he needs that final apology to Abby Arcane before finally expiring. That's extremely integral to his character arc in the Sandman comics. In Swamp Thing, yes he was responsible for killing Alec Holland which is different from the comics but wouldn't effect much in an adaptation. Again that might be a challenge to write for new viewers. But carrying it over to Sandman, not only gives more depth the character within that show but retroactively brings closure to Matt Cable's story in Swamp Thing. It goes beyond just his death, it's his apology and what he saw in his dreams. Matt did fall asleep during his near death experience towards the end of Swamp Thing.

As for Lucifer...I'm kind of expecting a big time jump for the final season. 5 years at the very least. The showrunners stated that he'll be on a much, much darker path in season five - his appearance in Sandman could be in between season 4 and 5 of Lucifer. In Sandman, Lucifer is still in Hell when Dream comes looking for his artifact, but clearly as a more serious individual. There, the aftermath of the events from Season 4 would justify his personality change. But please keep the actor - Tom Ellis.

Remember...Only one Hell and Lucifer Morningstar exist in the Multiverse. There may be two devils, Lucifer and The First of the Fallen, but they're not the same individual; even if they've borrowed names from each other or both ruled their slice of Hell within their own Provinces.
Live-Action Vertigo Universe? Throw in Matt Ryan John Constantine (his show can be canon to both universes like Vertigo comics were in DC and Vertigo universes, although it would be great if they could get his name right for once) in a cameo in Lucifer for a little fan service and you've got The Sandman, Swamp Thing, Hellblazer and Lucifer comics represented.

As long as it makes sense (Lucifer has to appear in The Sandman at some point, surely, even if it's not Tom Ellis), it would be a way to get some closure on Swamp Thing and draw in viewers to both Lucifer and The Sandman.
 

Dok95

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There will be a Watchmen Universe timeline at some point.
Just in case, in the Watchmen TV Series universe, there is:
- Before Watchmen (2012): 1940-1985
- Watchmen comics (the original from 1986-1987): 1985
- Watchmen (TV Series; 2019): 2019

?

And there is no:

- Watchmen (Movie; 2009)
- DC Rebirth (2016 -)
- Doomsday Clock (2017 -)

?
 

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