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HBO's Watchmen used the comic as a history book, but it's not necessarily set in that comic universe; from what I take from the showrunner's words.

Doomsday Clock happened already and why have another sequel that doesn't fit with it?

I look at it as Watchmen (2009) being pre-Crisis and HBO's Watchmen being post-Crisis. Post-Crisis changed it to the Squid instead of Dr. Manhatten I guess. But HBO's version is pretty much standalone.
If they wanted to, they could Angela could be the new Doctor Manhatten in a live-action Doomsday Clock adaptation
I interpreted it as HBO is simply sharing the universe of the original comic, while every other piece of media is in a different reality towards it.

Essentially:
Comic
Before Watchmen > Watchmen: The End is Nigh > Watchmen > Doomsday Clock > Rorschach

Film
Watchmen: The End is Nigh > Under the Hood > Watchmen: The Ultimate Cut

Television
Watchmen > Watchmen (2019)

Instead of complicating it, I would have had the comics as the main, then denoted the film and television series as [Film Reality] and [Television Reality].
 

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Nothing's officially been said other than the fact it's happening, but I predict that Justice League Dark will be in Earth-19. Swamp Thing didn't need to end on a cliffhanger, and it was originally supposed to set up a Justice League Dark, and it would seem illogical to introduce a new interpretation when you have a great show already. You don't even need to touch on the events, just do what the Arrowverse did with Constantine.

Seeing as Matt Ryan is the Earth-1/Earth-Prime John Constantine, how trippy and awesome would it be if we saw Keanu Reeves? I don't think it'll happen, not sure if he'd do a HBO show, but he wants a sequel. Of course, if they wanted Matt Ryan they could get him without any trouble since he could just be playing a doubleganger, but that's no fun!

Just some hopes and thoughts I'd share for fun.
 

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Nothing's officially been said other than the fact it's happening, but I predict that Justice League Dark will be in Earth-19. Swamp Thing didn't need to end on a cliffhanger, and it was originally supposed to set up a Justice League Dark, and it would seem illogical to introduce a new interpretation when you have a great show already.

Would be a sure way to bring in Floronic Man as the main baddy, or Anton Arcane who was only briefly seen in Abby's nightmare.

You don't even need to touch on the events, just do what the Arrowverse did with Constantine.

There's still the loose ends of Eclipso, Manny the angel and Zed's father....

Seeing as Matt Ryan is the Earth-1/Earth-Prime John Constantine, how trippy and awesome would it be if we saw Keanu Reeves? I don't think it'll happen, not sure if he'd do a HBO show, but he wants a sequel. Of course, if they wanted Matt Ryan they could get him without any trouble since he could just be playing a doubleganger, but that's no fun!

Just some hopes and thoughts I'd share for fun.

I'm also hearing whispers about Keanu being Constantine for JLD. Since Matt Ryan universe hopping to Earth-19 would be too messy storytelling wise.
Yeah, Matt Ryan was accurate, but TOO accurate. He is native to Earth-1/Prime and I think he'll remain there.

Speaking of Swamp Thing tying into something, there's still also the issue of Matthew Cable being gravely injured by Floronic Man at the very very end.

Why not make Netflix's Sandman also on Earth-19 and adapt Matt Cable's final moments + apology to Abby? He fell asleep already beforehand in that car accident, he might have dreamed of being a raven.

If Lucifer played by Tom Ellis shows up too in Sandman, which I've been hearing about as well, I guess that would make Earth-19 the post-Crisis "Earth-666".

We'll see... That could be a live action Vertigo Universe.
 

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Would be a sure way to bring in Floronic Man as the main baddy, or Anton Arcane who was only briefly seen in Abby's nightmare.



There's still the loose ends of Eclipso, Manny the angel and Zed's father....



I'm also hearing whispers about Keanu being Constantine for JLD. Since Matt Ryan universe hopping to Earth-19 would be too messy storytelling wise.
Yeah, Matt Ryan was accurate, but TOO accurate. He is native to Earth-1/Prime and I think he'll remain there.

Speaking of Swamp Thing tying into something, there's still also the issue of Matthew Cable being gravely injured by Floronic Man at the very very end.

Why not make Netflix's Sandman also on Earth-19 and adapt Matt Cable's final moments + apology to Abby? He fell asleep already beforehand in that car accident, he might have dreamed of being a raven.

If Lucifer played by Tom Ellis shows up too in Sandman, which I've been hearing about as well, I guess that would make Earth-19 the post-Crisis "Earth-666".

We'll see...
The idea of a live-action DC Vertigo shared universe between Constantine, Lucifer, Swamp Thing, Sandman and Justice League Dark sounds too good to be true, honestly.

Keanu Reeves and Tom Ellis sound like a perfect match for their characters to co-exist, since they're almost a remix of the comics versions, sharing a few traits but feel almost like different characters.

Sandman and Lucifer are on the same service, so it seems logical that they'd be in the same creative universe, but we'll see. Sandman sounds like it will be more faithful to the comics than Lucifer, so they might want to go in another direction. I suppose if they're extending Lucifer for a 6th season, they'd end up with two different Lucifer Morningstars at the same time if they went that direction.

If they wanted Sandman to be in the new established multiverse, they'd have no choice but to use Tom Ellis.

It'll probably never happen, but I can definitely see the possibility.

Will you add the Crisis on Infinite Earths sequences to the timeline? (Lucifer [Pre-Crisis], Titans [Pre-Crisis] (the post-crisis scene is footage from the show while the pre-crisis scene is new material compiled with deleted footage), Doom Patrol dancing, Swamp Thing scene sometime in 2020 as a flash forward, etc.)
 
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I'm also hearing whispers about Keanu being Constantine for JLD.
“I think we all wanted to do it. It was successful enough. We wanted to make a responsible, more R-rated movie. By responsible, I mean we’d make a movie that wouldn’t cost quite as much as the original, which we thought was going to be PG-13. We worked on the sequel for a while. It was tricky to come up with where to take it. What I really liked about the first one was it was a really personal story, so I thought it’d be a mistake to get caught up in the supernatural gobblygook. The idea of a personal story was really interesting, and that was the hard thing to come across. We have been talking about it recently. It’s always stuck with all of us because we all love the movie, and especially realizing there’s a real cult following for this movie, it’d be fun to make. Keanu, Akiva, and I have actually talked about it. Unfortunately, I don’t even remember who has it, but with all these shared universes that exist now, with Constantine being a part of Vertigo, which is a part of DC, people have plans for these shared universes. You know, possibly different Constantines and things like that. Right now, we don’t have that character available to us for TV or movies, which is a bummer. We all investigated it, but I think it’s kind of crazy when you have Keanu, who would love to do another Constantine, and us wanting to do another Constantine, and people are like, “Uh, no, we got other plans.” We’ll see what happens.”

I gather that they talked about it, but there is some rights issue or DC are still doing that "only one version of a character at a time" thing that killed the Arrowverse's Suicide Squad.
 

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I don't think they will, but it's entirely possible that Doom Patrol and Titans could crossover without the multiverse. Either particular universe, Earth-9 or Earth-21, could simply have the same doubleganger, and either one could be the true universe, while the other might just be similar.

Personally, I believe that, pre-crisis, Titans and Doom Patrol were in the same universe, but post-crisis, the universes split into two, with one history going with what we see post 10 December 2019 in Titans, which hasn't happened yet, while the other is post December 10 in Doom Patrol, everything after Doom Patrol 1x15. This way they can play it off as separate realities while also making sense of the references between them. I wouldn't treat it that way officially, but it makes sense to me.

I feel it's more likely that Stargirl would crossover with the Arrowverse, although I don't think it should become apart of that "franchise" so to speak, seeing as it's a different universe and the whole point of Earth-Prime was to stop that sort of thing

I'm the opposite. I see Titans and Doom Patrol as having always been on their own Earths. I even head-cannoned this before Crisis showed them as two separate Earths. I always thought it was a good way to explain the inconsistencies and contradictions found between both shows. I was glad that Crisis confirmed it.

I'm probably in the minority, but I prefer Stargirl remains its own thing. I feel like one of the reasons Crisis put all the Arrowverse shows on one Earth as well as made it to where they could no longer get in touch with the Multiverse, was so they could focus on their own world/shows.
 

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I'm hearing mixed things about Pennyworth's specific year(s) in the 60s...1962, 1967, or 1969 when the series starts.

But I'm told late 60s is correct. I'll leave it as is for now.
 

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Lucifer S5 picks up in April 2018 according to the approximate date in this timeline.

"It Never Ends Well for the Chicken" is set in the 1940s. I personally think it's going to be a full flashback episode.
 
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Season 5 Episode 7 of Lucifer....

Charlotte's gravestone says she died in 2018

There's no way around that. I'm going to have to spread out some events of the show's first couple seasons...
 

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Finally getting around to Doom Patrol S2 and noticed something with Episode 3. This could be contradicted later on, but when Vic goes to the group meeting he mentions that it's Tuesday Morning at 9:00. This scene is currently set on April 29th which would have been Wednesday. Vic mentioning the meetings being on Tuesday morning (I assume they're weekly meetings) means that Episode 2 should have been the previous Monday and Tuesday. The rest of the evidence makes sense for Episode 2 being just the day before, but the Vic and Roni stuff make it seem like at least a week has passed (at least more than a day).

There's also contradictory evidence with Larry's
son's obituary, showing his funeral
as being on Saturday which is the same day Vic would have first went to the group meeting.

My fix would be that the Larry evidence should be ignored and we could assume that he was away from the manor a week.
With his son's funeral falling on April 21st and the team rescuing him April 28th
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Finally getting around to Doom Patrol S2 and noticed something with Episode 3. This could be contradicted later on, but when Vic goes to the group meeting he mentions that it's Tuesday Morning at 9:00. This scene is currently set on April 29th which would have been Wednesday. Vic mentioning the meetings being on Tuesday morning (I assume they're weekly meetings) means that Episode 2 should have been the previous Monday and Tuesday. The rest of the evidence makes sense for Episode 2 being just the day before, but the Vic and Roni stuff make it seem like at least a week has passed (at least more than a day).

There's also contradictory evidence with Larry's
son's obituary, showing his funeral
as being on Saturday which is the same day Vic would have first went to the group meeting.

My fix would be that the Larry evidence should be ignored and we could assume that he was away from the manor a week.
With his son's funeral falling on April 21st and the team rescuing him April 28th
.

Oh that's what I had before.

Here's what threw me off: the May(?) 3rd date on the newspaper Rita shows Vic in 2x08. (Referring to her last night stint as "The Beekeeper").

It's so weird, because if the Saturday and Tuesday lines were ignored, then that kinda shows the writers were paying attention to how many days pass between episodes...while disregarding 2 lines which imply small time jumps.
 
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Okay, the newspaper scene I'm referring to is below the headline that Rita tapes her finger on. Fourth row of the paragraph (19 minutes and 30 seconds into the episode).

"On the night of the 3rd..."
 

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I haven't got that far yet but is there any possible small time jumps where a day could had passed? I'd personally take Victor's line about it being Tuesday over a later newspaper prop. Right now I just have Episode 1 as April 18th-19th, it's a little stretchy with mention of them being small for "weeks" (although technically it would be right), Episode 2 as April 20th-21st, ending Tuesday and Episode 3 as April 28th, the following Tuesday.
 

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Did you see the amount of tally marks that Robotman marked on the wall after punching the rat in 2x01?

Or was that for how many rats he killed?
 

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Did you see the amount of tally marks that Robotman marked on the wall after punching the rat in 2x01?
Yeah. I hadn't even considered though that it could be a reference to how many days they've been small and how he's done it every day since.
 

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Yeah. I hadn't even considered though that it could be a reference to how many days they've been small and how he's done it every day since.

Is it more likely that it was just the amount of rats he killed?

That's throwing me off too. But it would be weird I guess if he went through the trouble to keep track of how many days he was small all the way on the other side of the manor.
 

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Also in Episode 3, Driller Bill mentions that May is their busiest month. Although we can assume she's bringing it up with May only being a few days away.
 

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Currently on Episode 7, and I think the day time skip would work better between Episode 4 & 5 rather than 6 & 7. The events of Episode 7 fit much better a day after Episode 6. With Episode 5, I feel a full day could have easily passed since Episode 4. Given how the Manor is back to normal, we can assume they used the unseen day to clean up after the Danny party.

2x05- May 1st 2020
2x06- May 1st-2nd 2020
2x07- May 3rd 2020.

EDIT: We see the Beekeeper's daughter wearing a backpack with her mother telling her to take her Biology teacher some honey. This scene is set on a Sunday given the newspaper date. So, I'm not sure how to make this fit. I guess we could go with her teacher tutors on the weekend.

EDIT 2: The newspaper that shows the 3rd in Episode 8 is shown to be a Saturday edition. While this contradicts May 3rd, (works perfect for April 3rd) it does fit with the beekeeper's daughter going to school the day before.
 
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