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"GCPD 1987"

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"GCPD 1987"

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So we're getting closer to a Gotham/Arrowverse retcon if Gotham Knights ends up being, I dunno, set a few years after Batwoman in the timeline.

Danny Cannon is working on GK for Pete's sake!

 

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While the DC, Gotham and Pennyworth wikis are slow to catch on (and I'm fighting for the DC wiki to accept it), the actual wikipedia treats Pennyworth as a prequel to Gotham. I don't know how long they have, but I'm happy they do.

Pennyworth (TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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GothamVerse GCPD logo


Gotham Knights GCPD logo

They aren't perfectly the same, but they're much different than most GCPD logos I've looked at. It's just a similar logo currently. Maybe they just took inspiration from Gotham or created a logo that happens to be similar. Either way, cool detail.

 

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While the DC, Gotham and Pennyworth wikis are slow to catch on (and I'm fighting for the DC wiki to accept it), the actual wikipedia treats Pennyworth as a prequel to Gotham. I don't know how long they have, but I'm happy they do.

Pennyworth (TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes, if the Lucius Fox in Pennyworth is Lucius Fox Sr.

The Lucius Fox Jr. is the Gotham's Lucius, father of Batwoman's Luke Fox.

 

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A 'different' Wayne Tower seen in various skyline shots in Batwoman


The Wayne Tower in the Gotham finale


Similar shape, but obviously updated company logo between 2002 and 2018(?)

Guess when Bruce left and Wayne's company went bankrupt in 2015 (said in show) they had to move to a cheaper building and the old tower was abandoned.

 

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I know these are reaching headcanons, but I like it better than there being an Earth-Gotham/Pennyworth.
It's good world building for the Arrowverse if they were to make them part of Earth-Prime's history.

 

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Yes, if the Lucius Fox in Pennyworth is Lucius Fox Sr.

I think when they meet in Gotham, they already knew each other. Alfred says "don't I know you?", for example. Rewatching the scene, I think it's an acceptable retcon given the context. They hadn't seen each other in many many years. They're just a little unfamiliar.
Though, having "Lucius Fox Sr." in Pennyworth is a cool idea.

I know these are reaching headcanons, but I like it better than there being an Earth-Gotham/Pennyworth.
It's good world building for the Arrowverse if they were to make them part of Earth-Prime's history.

I think there's always room for speculation and head-canon. It's part of the fun, trying to put the pieces together. Everything hinted to in Batwoman has a backstory in Gotham. Victor Zsasz has a very similar characterization and I could easily see them as the same. Renee Montoya, of course. I would love to see Gotham actors reprise their roles elsewhere someday.

I kinda like the GothamVerse as it's own thing too (say Earth-39 as a reference to Batman's first appearance). I do appreciate that both GothamVerse shows set themselves in an alternate history/timeless setting. Gotham City and London both feel like they belong in the same universe.

 

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I think when they meet in Gotham, they already knew each other. Alfred says "don't I know you?", for example. Rewatching the scene, I think it's an acceptable retcon given the context. They hadn't seen each other in many many years. They're just a little unfamiliar.
Though, having "Lucius Fox Sr." in Pennyworth is a cool idea.


I think there's always room for speculation and head-canon. It's part of the fun, trying to put the pieces together. Everything hinted to in Batwoman has a backstory in Gotham. Victor Zsasz has a very similar characterization and I could easily see them as the same. Renee Montoya, of course. I would love to see Gotham actors reprise their roles elsewhere someday.

I kinda like the GothamVerse as it's own thing too (say Earth-39 as a reference to Batman's first appearance). I do appreciate that both GothamVerse shows set themselves in an alternate history/timeless setting. Gotham City and London both feel like they belong in the same universe.

Another reason why it has to be Lucius Jr, especially if Pennyworth is canon - Lucius Fox (Jr?) was born in 1965 according to his grave stone in Batwoman.

Also, the dude in Pennyworth looks nothing like Chris Chalk.

 

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Small correction.

1952
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Pennyworth #1, "Professional Liar" (pg. 14, 17)
Pennyworth #2, "Warehouse of Dead Monstrosities" (pg. 2-3)
Pennyworth #5, "In the Age of the Ageless" (pg. 6)
Pennyworth #3, "At the Hands of Monsters in a Frozen Prison" (pg. 8, 11)
Pennyworth #4, "No Escape in the Cold" (pg. 1, 17)
Pennyworth #5, "In the Age of the Ageless" (pg. 11)

It's Pennyworth #2 (pg. 2-3), not (pg. 3-4). Additionally, that is a direct continuation of the #1 flashbacks. The #5 flashback probably came not too long afterwards.

 

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Pennyworth 2x05 has a newspaper 41 minutes in with the date March 1962. I see you've put the episode in March, but is there any reason why the year isn't taken?

Also, S1 had a male president and S2 had a female president. I guess the Pennyworths could have just used the wrong terminology and the female president was in power during S1 as well, or election years are different in the Gothamverse.

 

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While the DC, Gotham and Pennyworth wikis are slow to catch on (and I'm fighting for the DC wiki to accept it), the actual wikipedia treats Pennyworth as a prequel to Gotham. I don't know how long they have, but I'm happy they do.

Pennyworth (TV series) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Alfred Pennyworth (Gotham)

Alfred Pennyworth is the short-tempered, sarcastic, and loyal butler and guardian of Bruce Wayne. A former soldier and spy turned caretaker, he headed Pennyworth Security for a few years before aiding the G.C.P.D. on several occasions, all while training Bruce for his crusade against crime in...

dc.fandom.com

They've merged the pages.

Anyway:
Pennyworth #6 iterates that the present day takes place 40 years after the flashbacks. Based on the current timeline, that works out to about 2016.

 

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Pennyworth 2x05 has a newspaper 41 minutes in with the date March 1962. I see you've put the episode in March, but is there any reason why the year isn't taken?

Also, S1 had a male president and S2 had a female president. I guess the Pennyworths could have just used the wrong terminology and the female president was in power during S1 as well, or election years are different in the Gothamverse.

1962 is when Bruno Heller said Season 1 (mostly) took place in a Epix featurette. Season 3 will end jumping into 1970 according to Jack Bannon's instagram post.

The 1962 in S2 was an error likely based on vague time period info.

 

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Alfred Pennyworth (Gotham)

Alfred Pennyworth is the short-tempered, sarcastic, and loyal butler and guardian of Bruce Wayne. A former soldier and spy turned caretaker, he headed Pennyworth Security for a few years before aiding the G.C.P.D. on several occasions, all while training Bruce for his crusade against crime in...

dc.fandom.com

They've merged the pages.

Anyway:
Pennyworth #6 iterates that the present day takes place 40 years after the flashbacks. Based on the current timeline, that works out to about 2016.

Here is the thing that confuses me though...its primarly set at least before 1977 due to Alfred's backstory given in Gotham's 1st tie-in novel said he became the Wayne butler when Bruce had just turned 2 years old. (So Alfie became a butler AFTER 40; instead of before like his dad thought he would lmao). Other than that no year is given in the comics.

BUT taking into account how long he was in the MI3 or MI6 before then, and depending on is Shirley is Gabrielle Brument or Brument is who he hopped over to after Shirley betrayed him, that has to have spanned at least a short few months prior to February 1977.

 

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I like the idea that Alfred might be overly attached to women he fell in love with since 1.) Esme was "the love of life" and now dead. 2.) Shirley was "really close since childhood" now a traitor. 3.) Gabrielle Brument was ALSO "the love of his life" and shot dead by a Soviet gang in 1977.

Well, I guess whoever he ended up with in the 90s and had Julia meant he found someone who stuck around lol.

 

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In Gotham 1x01, The newspaper that states that the Waynes will be buried on Sunday also has small text stating that they were killed on Tuesday in small but visible text, meaning June 9th. There's that (inaccurate) newspaper from S5 of course that said Monday June 27th for the Wayne murder, if that's of note. If we accept that as accurate in terms of the Monday date, they probably died the day prior right? So June 7th?

 

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In Gotham 1x01, The newspaper that states that the Waynes will be buried on Sunday also has small text stating that they were killed on Tuesday in small but visible text, meaning June 9th. There's that (inaccurate) newspaper from S5 of course that said Monday June 27th for the Wayne murder, if that's of note. If we accept that as accurate in terms of the Monday date, they probably died the day prior right? So June 7th?

That newspaper date in s5 didn't say they died on that day. News reports, especially of infamous or famous people like the Waynes, can stay in the news for weeks.

 

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In Gotham 1x01, The newspaper that states that the Waynes will be buried on Sunday also has small text stating that they were killed on Tuesday in small but visible text, meaning June 9th. There's that (inaccurate) newspaper from S5 of course that said Monday June 27th for the Wayne murder, if that's of note. If we accept that as accurate in terms of the Monday date, they probably died the day prior right? So June 7th?

Gotham s2 episode "Pinewood" showed that the week of his murder (albeit on an inaccurate calendar) was the second week of June. BUT the 9TH was when he was going to meet Karen Jennings; so the Waynes died on the 8th.


The Tuesday on the newspaper was an error or they accidentally added a leap year (Feb. 29th) to the 1987 calendar lol.

 

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Alfred Pennyworth (Gotham)

Alfred Pennyworth is the short-tempered, sarcastic, and loyal butler and guardian of Bruce Wayne. A former soldier and spy turned caretaker, he headed Pennyworth Security for a few years before aiding the G.C.P.D. on several occasions, all while training Bruce for his crusade against crime in...

dc.fandom.com

They've merged the pages.

Thought this was a nice touch.

 

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Missed some flashbacks.

1988?
???? ("Three or four months ago")
Gotham 1x19, "Beasts of Prey" (0:13:21 - 0:15:40)
Gotham 1x19, "Beasts of Prey" (0:18:55 - 0:20:16)
Gotham 1x19, "Beasts of Prey" (0:26:16 - 0:28:28)

August 23
Gotham 1x19, "Beasts of Prey" (0:00:00 - 0:13:20)
Gotham 1x19, "Beasts of Prey" (0:15:41 - 0:18:54)
Gotham 1x19, "Beasts of Prey" (0:20:17 - 0:26:15)
Gotham 1x19, "Beasts of Prey" (0:28:29 - 0:40:56)