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Kinda hard to tell, but in the upper righthand corner that is definitely by-month 1969 year calendar due to the way they're structured.
www.timeanddate.com
Year 1969 Calendar – United States
United States 1969 – Calendar with American holidays. Yearly calendar showing months for the year 1969. Calendars – online and print friendly – for any year and month
www.timeanddate.com
I need to get caught up on the last few episodes. Those breaks made it hard to keep up with.
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Morningstar. Grrr.
EDIT: Well, Tom Ellis' "Lucifer"'s real name was Samael. I guess he liked borrowing names from other Hell Lords. Or "Lucifer Morningstar" is a title given to the current absolute ruler of Hell.
EDIT: Well, Tom Ellis' "Lucifer"'s real name was Samael. I guess he liked borrowing names from other Hell Lords. Or "Lucifer Morningstar" is a title given to the current absolute ruler of Hell.
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Also, I'm starting to think John Constantine might have helped split Mazikeen in two-halves - one that remained in Hell (Sandman) and one that can enter the Earthly plane without possession (Lucifer).
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Do we think the Void (Goddess' universe) is beyond the source wall or something? It was seemingly out of God's reach. Perhaps the ungodly power of Azrael's Blade was able to cut into the void outside of the DC multiverse.
https://lucifer.fandom.com/wiki/Void
Also, I imagine we're still working under the assumption that Lucifer is set in the post-crisis Earth-666. Doesn't that technically make his pre-crisis character a seperate entity or did he survive the anti-matter destruction? I mean, if Earth-167 Clark can survive the bleed then surely Lucifer, being one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse, could. I feel like that would screw with the timeline though.
https://lucifer.fandom.com/wiki/Void
Also, I imagine we're still working under the assumption that Lucifer is set in the post-crisis Earth-666. Doesn't that technically make his pre-crisis character a seperate entity or did he survive the anti-matter destruction? I mean, if Earth-167 Clark can survive the bleed then surely Lucifer, being one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse, could. I feel like that would screw with the timeline though.
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It's a realm full of Centaurs. I'm sure it's tangentially connected to The Dreaming and other godly realms.
The Void itself before that was empty space in creation. Maybe the outskirts of The Bleed or between dimensions, I dunno. That goes crazy deep into me mentally mapping that out.
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Someone in a Sandman Facebook group doxxed me over these headcanons I mentioned. For some reason my headcanon about the two Lucifers annoyed them so much they made a call out post...even going as far as to say the wont let me spread that headcanon anywhere else.
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Sandman premieres in just over an hour from now.
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SANDMAN IS ON NOW
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The credits for episode reveal that
I just finished episode 1 so stay tuned.
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Alex's actor for the first part of it was age 6 and it ends with him at age 70. So 64 years after 1916 is 1980.
I just finished episode 1 so stay tuned.
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Dream apparently just mopes for 40 years. Or since his realm is outside of time and space, I guess it doesn't really matter.
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Someone please bring this up to Neil Gaiman because in the scene after
we get a time jump....to 1926 again. BUT that's an ERROR. That was likely meant to be 1938 since Dream says "The World is about to be at war again". WW2 started a year after that. @Pro Bot
after Jessimay the Raven is shot and killed by Alex
we get a time jump....to 1926 again. BUT that's an ERROR. That was likely meant to be 1938 since Dream says "The World is about to be at war again". WW2 started a year after that. @Pro Bot
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Updated with Sandman timestamps.
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My personal head canon at this point with Lucifer is that when Samael fell to the abyss that came to be Hell, the angel divided it's power into multiple beings to serve different functions. One being more 'human' and rebellious (Tom Ellis's Lucifer), another being more malicious and calculated (Gwendoline Christie's Lucifer) and other entities that served to govern Hell's demon population (Beelzebub, Belial, etc - all names a certain version of Lucifer had claimed for himself.)
Satan ("The First of the Fallen") might just even be another separate aspect of Samael in this multiverse, unlike the comics where he was his own entity apart from Lucifer entirely. Especially considering Tom Ellis' never even brings up the existence of another Devil separate from himself in 93 episodes of his series.
DC tends to have one Hell (albeit multiple realms) per multiverse, so in my opinion we're mainly seeing different aspects of Lucifer in different realms of Hell.. But I guess it's up to the fans to decide; either removing other versions from association or thought (I don't blame you) or trying to connect the conflicting mythos with a complicated but more-convenient theory. Lord knows DC has done that many-a-time with their continuity/lore...
Satan ("The First of the Fallen") might just even be another separate aspect of Samael in this multiverse, unlike the comics where he was his own entity apart from Lucifer entirely. Especially considering Tom Ellis' never even brings up the existence of another Devil separate from himself in 93 episodes of his series.
DC tends to have one Hell (albeit multiple realms) per multiverse, so in my opinion we're mainly seeing different aspects of Lucifer in different realms of Hell.. But I guess it's up to the fans to decide; either removing other versions from association or thought (I don't blame you) or trying to connect the conflicting mythos with a complicated but more-convenient theory. Lord knows DC has done that many-a-time with their continuity/lore...
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Hell is definitely multiversal. In Crisis, Lucifer gives John the card to purgatory which brings him to Oliver, who died on Earth-38 (or Earth-1, I don't remember if he lived that long). The fact John goes to Earth-666 to find that specific Lucifer is way too coincidental.
Tom Ellis is certainly the canon Lucifer. What part The Sandman plays in that, if any, is unclear.
Tom Ellis is certainly the canon Lucifer. What part The Sandman plays in that, if any, is unclear.
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If John Constantine exists in The Sandman Universe, then why does Johanna have his origin story with Astra Logue? 
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Because JJ Abram's Constantine supposedly will not have the same origin according to rumor.If John Constantine exists in The Sandman Universe, then why does Johanna have his origin story with Astra Logue?
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Nothing really contradicts with Matt Cable's story in Swamp Thing because 1.) "I think I died in my sleep" was vague enough and could have easily meant he bled out after Floronic Man attacked him. 2.) A couple hours = at least several months in The Dreaming since that was brought up by Rose Walker after noticing
in-show.
Lyta's pregnancy in the Dreaming
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Having thought about it, Lucifer having avatars makes sense. When one is literally a rival to God himself in terms of power, of course they can create manifestations of themselves. I mean, Darkseid does it in the comics.
The Sandman as Earth-19 is my new head-canon, lol. Here's hoping that the Abramsverse ties into the already established Swamp Thing so that black John Constantine can be Johanna's cousin or something.
