Non-Arrowverse DC TV Show Timelines

I'm a bit confused. Which Earths are canon? I list what I think and you can add what I am missing:
Pre-Crisis:
  • Earth-1: Arrowverse (Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Vixen…)
  • Earth-9: Titans
  • Earth-38: Supergirl
  • Earth-66: Batman (1966 Series)
  • Earth-76: Wonder Woman (1976 Series)
  • Earth-85: 1985 Crisis on Infinite Earths (?)
  • Earth-89: Batman (1989)
  • Earth-90: The Flash (1990 Series)
  • Earth-96: Superman Returns
  • Earth-167: Smallville
  • Earth-203: Birds of Prey (2003 Series)
  • Earth-666: Lucifer
  • Earth-D: DC Comics Earth-D (?)
  • Earth-F: Superman (1941 Animated Series)
  • Earth-N52: DC Comics New 52 (?)
  • Earth-P: Powerless (?)
  • Earth-X: Freedom Fighters: The Ray
  • Earth-???: Black Lightning
  • Earth-???: DCEU
Post-Crisis:
  • Earth-Prime: Arrowverse
  • Earth-1: DCEU
  • Earth-2: Stargirl, The Batman (?)
  • Earth-9: Titans
  • Earth-12: Green Lantern
  • Earth-19: Swamp Thing
  • Earth-21: Doom Patrol
  • Earth-96: Superman Returns
  • Earth-???: Superman & Lois
  • Earth-???: Joker (?)
 
Zeitschiene said:
I'm a bit confused. Which Earths are canon? I list what I think and you can add what I am missing:
Pre-Crisis:
  • Earth-1: Arrowverse (Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Vixen…)
  • Earth-9: Titans
  • Earth-38: Supergirl
  • Earth-66: Batman (1966 Series)
  • Earth-76: Wonder Woman (1976 Series)
  • Earth-85: 1985 Crisis on Infinite Earths (?)
  • Earth-89: Batman (1989)
  • Earth-90: The Flash (1990 Series)
  • Earth-96: Superman Returns
  • Earth-167: Smallville
  • Earth-203: Birds of Prey (2003 Series)
  • Earth-666: Lucifer
  • Earth-D: DC Comics Earth-D (?)
  • Earth-F: Superman (1941 Animated Series)
  • Earth-N52: DC Comics New 52 (?)
  • Earth-P: Powerless (?)
  • Earth-X: Freedom Fighters: The Ray
  • Earth-???: Black Lightning
  • Earth-???: DCEU
Post-Crisis:
  • Earth-Prime: Arrowverse
  • Earth-1: DCEU
  • Earth-2: Stargirl, The Batman (?)
  • Earth-9: Titans
  • Earth-12: Green Lantern
  • Earth-19: Swamp Thing
  • Earth-21: Doom Patrol
  • Earth-96: Superman Returns
  • Earth-???: Superman & Lois
  • Earth-???: Joker (?)
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Pre-Crisis
Earth-1: Arrowverse
Earth-9: Titans
Earth-38: Supergirl
Earth-66: Batman/The Green Hornet
Earth-76: Wonder Woman (1976 Series)
Earth-89: Batman (1989)
Earth-90: The Flash (1990 Series)
Earth-96: Superman Returns
Earth-167: Smallville
Earth-203: Birds of Prey
Earth-666: Lucifer
Earth-F: Superman (1941 Animated Series)
Earth-P: Powerless
Earth-??: Black Lightning
Earth-??: DC Extended Universe

Post-Crisis
Earth-1: DC Extended Universe
Earth-2: Stargirl, The Batman
Earth-9: Titans
Earth-12: Green Lantern
Earth-19: Swamp Thing
Earth-21: Doom Patrol
Earth-66: Batman/The Green Hornet
Earth-76: Wonder Woman (1976 Series)
Earth-90: The Flash (1990 Series)
Earth-96: Superman Returns
Earth-97: Batman (1995)
Earth-167: Smallville
Earth-203: Birds of Prey
Earth-666: Lucifer
Earth-F: Superman (1941 Animated Series)
Earth-P: Powerless
Earth-Prime: Arrowverse
Earth-??: Superman (1978)
Earth-??: Joker
Earth-??: Harley Quinn (2019 Animated Series)
Earth-??: Superman & Lois
Earth-??: The Sandman/Dead Boy Detectives

They confirmed all the pre-crisis Earths based on established movies/shows were restored. All comic-based Earths are variants because it's set in a separate multiverse. TTG isn't canon because obviously that was a TV screen. That would occur in an Animated Multiverse with the DCAMU and Teen Titans I take it.
 
Pro Bot said:
Earth-1: DC Extended Universe
Earth-2: Stargirl, The Batman
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Is the Earth-1 DCEU and Earth-2 The Batman just someone from DC trying to explain that the Batman is not canon to the DCEU saying something like "The Batman is like Earth-2 to our DCEU Earth-1"? Because as much as I would like to have more cohesion in the Live-Action Multiverse and more shared universes between multiple mediums like TV and movies, that just sounds like just an example and not actually implying that The Batman is THE Earth-2 from Stargirl.
Pro Bot said:
Earth-??: Joker
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Has something actually implied that the Joker is part of all of this multiverse or is just guessing that it will eventually crossover with something?
 
Joker was implied alongside The Batman. I agree that it was absolutely unintentional, but they still said The Batman was Earth-2. I don't think it is, but it's kinda just something you gotta list in these things to be consistent even though it doesn't make sense...
 
Pro Bot said:
Joker was implied alongside The Batman. I agree that it was absolutely unintentional, but they still said The Batman was Earth-2. I don't think it is, but it's kinda just something you gotta list in these things to be consistent even though it doesn't make sense...
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Given I doubt it was intentional and there's nothing else confirming it, I just go with them using Earth-2 as a way of explaining they're separate from the DCEU. I think it's more consistent if they aren't treated as the same world.
 
Pro Bot said:
Pre-Crisis
Earth-1: Arrowverse
Earth-9: Titans
Earth-38: Supergirl
Earth-66: Batman/The Green Hornet
Earth-76: Wonder Woman (1976 Series)
Earth-89: Batman (1989)
Earth-90: The Flash (1990 Series)
Earth-96: Superman Returns
Earth-167: Smallville
Earth-203: Birds of Prey
Earth-666: Lucifer
Earth-F: Superman (1941 Animated Series)
Earth-P: Powerless
Earth-??: Black Lightning
Earth-??: DC Extended Universe

Post-Crisis
Earth-1: DC Extended Universe
Earth-2: Stargirl, The Batman
Earth-9: Titans
Earth-12: Green Lantern
Earth-19: Swamp Thing
Earth-21: Doom Patrol
Earth-66: Batman/The Green Hornet
Earth-76: Wonder Woman (1976 Series)
Earth-90: The Flash (1990 Series)
Earth-96: Superman Returns
Earth-97: Batman (1995)
Earth-167: Smallville
Earth-203: Birds of Prey
Earth-666: Lucifer
Earth-F: Superman (1941 Animated Series)
Earth-P: Powerless
Earth-Prime: Arrowverse
Earth-??: Superman (1978)
Earth-??: Joker
Earth-??: Harley Quinn (2019 Animated Series)
Earth-??: Superman & Lois
Earth-??: The Sandman/Dead Boy Detectives

They confirmed all the pre-crisis Earths based on established movies/shows were restored. All comic-based Earths are variants because it's set in a separate multiverse. TTG isn't canon because obviously that was a TV screen. That would occur in an Animated Multiverse with the DCAMU and Teen Titans I take it.
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Harley Quinn was only offscreen voices in that Titans episode. I would treat it the same way as TTG. On a TV screen, not existing in this multiverse.
 
selfishmisery said:
Harley Quinn was only offscreen voices in that Titans episode. I would treat it the same way as TTG. On a TV screen, not existing in this multiverse.
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I mean, the Injustice videogame has appeared multiple times in the Arrowverse on screen and nobody thinks it is part of the Arrowverse.
 
Are Earth-9 and the other Earths from the Smallville Comics the same as in the Pre-Crisis Arrowverse Multiverse? Haven't read those, so no idea if they would fit, but I heard they had the same designations as established universes.
 
Pro Bot said:
Joker was implied alongside The Batman. I agree that it was absolutely unintentional, but they still said The Batman was Earth-2. I don't think it is, but it's kinda just something you gotta list in these things to be consistent even though it doesn't make sense...
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Doesn't Stargirl even mention that there is a Batman in her Universe? Sure, it was not meant to be Battinson, but it's a fun connection
 
Rojinn said:
Are Earth-9 and the other Earths from the Smallville Comics the same as in the Pre-Crisis Arrowverse Multiverse? Haven't read those, so no idea if they would fit, but I heard they had the same designations as established universes.
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Probably no, since the own Smallville series calls the Smallville main universe Earth-1 and its parallel universe Earth-2, when they are not the same as Arrowverse Earth-1 and 2. They could be part of the Pre-Crisis Arrowverse Multiverse but its just that whoever put their numbers has a different criteria than whoever puts them in the Arrowverse.
 
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According to Smallville wiki:

Earth-1
The main universe of Smallville, where Superman's adventures take place. Its designation is unknown but it was indicated that it is not the Prime Earth. It remains unclear if this comment will turn out to be true or not. This Earth have commonly been referred to as Earth-1.

Earth-2
This Earth was a parallel universe that co-existed as one with the Earth of the main Smallville universe. When shown, it was always in gray and dull colors. Operating as a metaphorical mirror, all of its residents appeared to be similar and yet different from those of their Earth-1 counterparts. The main difference of this Earth from the other universes is that Kal-El of Krypton was raised by Lionel Luthor instead of the Kents, like on the main Smallville Earth, and as a result he became his world's most powerful super villain, Ultraman. Travel between Earth-2 and the main Earth of Smallville was achieved through the Kryptonian mirror box, or through Jor-El's Fortress of Solitude. It was revealed that Earth-2 was destroyed by the Monitors. Its last survivor was Chloe Sullivan, who succeeded to travel to the main Earth of Smallville but was later killed there by the Monitors.

Earth-9
This Earth was destroyed when it was torn asunder by collision with Earth-37, toppling into one another, because of a Bleed quake caused by a Monitor who did not follow the protocol.

Earth-13
This Earth was a parallel universe that co-existed as one with the Earth of the main Smallville universe. Not much is known about this universe as it was never shown, only merely mentioned. Its main feature was that its version of Clark Kent was a normal human and a wannabe hero, rather than a Kryptonian with super powers, and Bruce Wayne instead of being a superhero is actually a psychopathic killer. Like many other universes, this Earth was also decimated. Earth-13 was destroyed when Earth-9 and 37 were torn asunder by collision, toppling into one another and shattering reality on Earth-13, because of a Bleed quake caused by a Monitor who did not follow the protocol. Its version of Clark managed to travel to the main Earth of Smallville. Unfortunately, he was followed by Bruce and he was killed by him there. Bruce Wayne remains the last survivor of his Earth, as he is held prisoner on Mars.

Earth-37
This Earth was destroyed when it was torn asunder by collision with Earth-9, toppling into one another, because of a Bleed quake caused by a Monitor who did not follow the protocol.

Earth-Majestic
This Earth is a parallel universe that co-exists as one with the Earth of the main Smallville universe. It is referred to as Earth-Majestic and its designation is unknown. It derives this name from its greatest superhero Mister Majestic, the alternate version of Superman. This Earth is the latest target of the Monitors, as they have already started the process to decimate it. It was later destroyed like the other Earths before it with the consciousness of Jor-El being the last survivor of this universe.

Earth-Omega
This Earth is a parallel universe that co-exists as one with the Earth of the main Smallville universe. It is referred to as Earth "Omega" and its designation is unknown. It derives this name from the Omega symbol, which is used by Darkseid. This Earth was attacked and seized by Apokolips and the two planets have collided with each other. Among the ruins are several fallen ships that belonged to the Monitors, wrecked Manhunters and skeletons of dead people. This Earth hasn't been destroyed entirely yet because when the Monitors arrived there, Darkseid had already conquered that world. A catastrophic battle followed between the two parts, destroying almost everything around them. However the Monitors, who even though suffered many casualties, succeeded to break Darkseid. After Superman made a deal with Darkseid, he gave him the crystal shard that contains the presence of Jor-El from Earth-Majestic. Darkseid threw the shard into the distance and a fortress of solitude formed, with Darkseid saying it could be a new beginning, a "New Genesis."

Unidentified Earth (Apocalypse)
This unidentified Earth is a parallel universe that co-exists as one with the Earth of the main Smallville universe. In this universe, Kal-El's ship never made it to Earth. There is a human Clark Kent, who is the son of Jonathan and Martha Kent. Kara Zor-El was found and raised by Lionel Luthor, who named her "Linda Danvers". After Lex Luthor became President, Lex unleashed a nuclear holocaust upon the world.
 
Jozaca said:
Probably no, since the own Smallville series calls the Smallville main universe Earth-1 and its parallel universe Earth-2, when they are not the same as Arrowverse Earth-1 and 2. They could be part of the Pre-Crisis Arrowverse Multiverse but its just that whoever put their numbers has a different criteria than whoever puts them in the Arrowverse.
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As for Smallville's Earth-9, assuming it's the same Earth-9 as Titans' Earth, they established in Crisis that the Monitor (Mar Novu) can restore worlds but he just couldn't during CoIE because the Anti-Monitor (his cosmic opposite) was draining his power.

Since the "Monitors" in Smallville season 11 were essentially Weaponers of Qward under a new name, that's not gonna affect Mar Novu directly so he easily could have restored the worlds destroyed by Smallville's Crisis unbeknownst to the characters and the readers. (I do recall Superman said when sending the female "Monitor"/Weaponer to the Phantom Zone that the death caused by Crisis wouldn't be undone, but that was as far as he knew and likely not the case.)
 
RoscoIsANinja said:
Here's a few more episodes of Human Target added.
I'm gonna try to finish up the last 4 this weekend.

December
Human Target 2x04, "The Return of Baptiste" (0:00:00 - 0:04:25)
Human Target 2x04, "The Return of Baptiste" (0:04:46 - 0:05:11)
Human Target 2x04, "The Return of Baptiste" (0:05:28 - 0:05:30)
Human Target 2x04, "The Return of Baptiste" (0:04:25 - 0:04:46)
Human Target 2x04, "The Return of Baptiste" (0:05:11 - 0:05:28)
Human Target 2x04, "The Return of Baptiste" (0:05:30 - 0:44:01)
Human Target 2x05, "Dead Head"

December 15
Human Target 2x06, "The Other Side of the Mall" (0:00:00 - 0:01:39)

December 16
Human Target 2x06, "The Other Side of the Mall" (0:01:39 - 0:05:09)

December 17
Human Target 2x06, "The Other Side of the Mall" (0:05:09 - 0:25:31)

December 18
Human Target 2x06, "The Other Side of the Mall" (0:25:31 - 0:42:34)

2011
January
Human Target 2x07, "A Problem Like Maria (Part 1)" (0:00:00 - 0:42:54)
Human Target 2x08, "Communication Breakdown (Part 2)" (0:00:00 - 0:00:57)
Human Target 2x07, "A Problem Like Maria (Part 1)" (0:42:54 - 0:44:01)
Human Target 2x08, "Communication Breakdown (Part 2)" (0:00:57 - 0:39:40)
Human Target 2x09, "Imbroglio" (0:00:14 - 0:00:20)
Human Target 2x08, "Communication Breakdown (Part 2)" (0:39:40 - 0:41:48)
Human Target 2x09, "Imbroglio" (0:00:24 - 0:00:41)

March
Human Target 2x09, "Imbroglio" (0:07:37 - 0:07:54)
Human Target 2x09, "Imbroglio" (0:00:00 - 0:00:14)
Human Target 2x09, "Imbroglio" (0:00:20 - 0:00:24)
Human Target 2x09, "Imbroglio" (0:00:41 - 0:07:37)
Human Target 2x09, "Imbroglio" (0:07:54 - 0:43:18)

2x10 & 2x11 take place in March.
2x12 takes place from April 4th to April 6th.
2x13 takes place later in April.

Taking into account I already have that info, I'll just have to go through and add the timestamps this weekend.

EDIT: An inconsistency for those watching. Ilsa states she was attacked a couple days ago yet her sister states the last time she saw her was at her husband's funeral a year ago which we know was in March. So it had to have been more than a month ago she was attacked. Not a couple days ago.
I don't know how you guys do these timelines lol
There's actually a lot to take into consideration.
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Adding this now.
 
selfishmisery said:
Adding this now.
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@RoscoIsANinja

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Human Target Vol 3

Human Target (Volume 3) was a limited series, published by DC Comics. It ran from 2010 until 2010. It starred Human Target. Human Target (Volume 3) #1 Human Target (Volume 3) #2 Human Target (Volume 3) #3 Human Target (Volume 3) #4 Human Target (Volume 3) #5 Human Target (Volume 3) #6 Comics...
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There's a 6-issue tie-in comic too which I'll read through. :)
 
I gotta wonder if Gotham Knights is presenting itself as alternate timeline to the show Gotham (maybe the same alternate timeline as Superman & Lois where only the OG Earth-Prime heroes existed but Green Arrow and all subsequent heroes never did).

Thought about the differences: 1.) Bruce's parents die when he's 8 instead of 12 or 14. 2.) Joe Chill ("Cole Clemons"?) is caught immediately but isn't the one who pulled the trigger this early on in his criminal career. 3.) Bruce didn't know about the Court of Owls until his assassination nor does he go through the same training that he had in Gotham (the TV series).

In order for a divergence to occur...at some point around 1981 - Ra's (Al-Fatih?) and his circle of League of Shadows members are out of the picture, somehow, for unknown reasons. No one is keeping check on the Court and so they go ahead with ordering a hit on Thomas and Martha Wayne 4-6 years early. Long before Jim Gordon begins his GCPD career, thus none of Gotham's events transpired in a way where Bruce learns about the Court or who killed his parents. This sequence of events following that not only completely change Bruce's origin, but the fate of the Court. Hugo Strange is allowed to continue his experiments uninterrupted; including Bruce Clone's full transformation into Lincoln March.

Also B.D. Wong has expressed interest in returning as Hugo Strange in live-action a lot recently, and liked my idea via Instagram of him reprising the role in Gotham Knights. Not much to go off of, but we'll see if they can afford him if that were the case.

I've been wrong before and I'm prepared for any more contradictions that could come up at some point that challenge this theory/headcanon...

@Pro Bot
 
Pro Bot said:
I like the idea of Superman & Lois/Gotham Knights being an alternate timeline to Earth-Prime.
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They wouldn't have made that S&L issue under the "Earth-Prime" titled tie-in comics, nor would they have mentioned Brainiac in a latter issue (#6) if they hadn't have something planned as a compromise for another unfinished storyline.


Also...the random portal that brought a version of Brainiac 5 and his bottled Earth out of Crisis, alluded to in Supergirl's Bottle Episode, lines up with how John Henry Irons got to this alternate Earth-Prime - RANDOM unexplained portal to post-Crisis. Perhaps that was the same Earth he was from, and how a lot of these doppelgängers like Beth Kane and Toyman Jr ended up on the main Earth-Prime...Krypton was cancelled in mid-2019, months and months before all this transpired and before plans during S&L's development stage changed. I still think they used the opportunity to set up their 'compromise' storyline after a show that was too ambitious to leave on an ending that unresolved.

Why do you think I keep making the comparison to the Convergence storyline? Brainiac did pretty much the same thing with pre-Crisis Earths - collected them before they were destroyed as part of a grand scheme to kill Superman without disrupting the time stream.
 
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