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selfishmisery

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I honestly assumed that they just hop to and from Earth between films. The redesigns are just that - redesigns.

Seen this? Set 2 years after Bumblebee and ties directly into Transformers (2007) with Megatron frozen in ice. That, combined with Sector Seven and Seymour Simmons, supports it being a prequel. There's the aforementioned Bumblebee prequel comic set in the 1960s with Bumblebee still being on Earth since the 1940s, too.

Time will tell if it's a complete continuity reboot in sequels or just a soft-reboot, likely in Transformers: Rise of the Beasts. In that case, pretty easy timeline.

1987 - Bumblebee
1994 - Transformers: Rise of the Beasts

I assume that The Battle at Half-Dome could just occur in the original Bayverse along with an alternate version of the Bumblebee movie. I mean, I don't see it as a separate universe yet to be honest, but easy fix.
I didn't mean that one, I meant the James Bond-y mini run.
 

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I know, the Bumblebee Prequel Comic right? I'm bringing this other thing up because I think it's relevant.
 

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Bumblebee film isn't canon to the Bayverse and I'd argue that extended version of that comic that came packaged with the bluray isn't canon entirely.
 

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Two I'd like to see:

- Mad Max
- 007 multiverse (I think each Bond actor is a different universe in the 007 multiverse personally and I think the franchise works better this way)
 

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I view all Bond movies as the same universe apart from Daniel Craig. There's references and ties to previous actors' films throughout the series. It seems like it was always intended to be a recast each time.

In the opening of 1981's For Your Eyes Only, Roger Moore visits the grave site of Tracy Bond, Lazenby's wife. The grave has the year 1969 on it. Blofeld appears in it, and the script and comic adaptation places his last meeting with Bond 10 years ago, lining up with 1971's Diamonds are Forever, starring Connery as Bond.

As for his age... eh, I guess he went from his 20s to 60s from the 1960s to 2000s. Maybe he has a de-aging serum or he's just ages like a Hollywood actor or an X-Men member.
 

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I view all Bond movies as the same universe apart from Daniel Craig. There's references and ties to previous actors' films throughout the series. It seems like it was always intended to be a recast each time.

In the opening of 1981's For Your Eyes Only, Roger Moore visits the grave site of Tracy Bond, Lazenby's wife. The grave has the year 1969 on it. Blofeld appears in it, and the script and comic adaptation places his last meeting with Bond 10 years ago, lining up with 1971's Diamonds are Forever, starring Connery as Bond.

As for his age... eh, I guess he went from his 20s to 60s from the 1960s to 2000s. Maybe he has a de-aging serum or he's just ages like a Hollywood actor or an X-Men member.
I think it's simpler to assume that each Bond shares similar history.
 

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Yeah, but it's the exact same years that the other movies came out. It seems very intentional.

The only issue with it is the characters age. We can accept that with X-Men, so why not here?

Keanu Reeves is 57.
Tom Cruise is 59.
James Bond... can be 60. :p
 

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Recasts? Stryker in X-Men literally changed actors in months between Days of Future Past 1973 and Origins: Wolverine 1973. Edward Norton looks nothing like Mark Ruffalo. Original Burton/Schumacher Batman went from Michael Keaton to Val Kilmer to George Clooney. Heck, Catwoman changes skin colour in the 1960s Batman universe.

These things just happen. I think it's fine.
 

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Recasts? Stryker in X-Men literally changed actors in months between Days of Future Past 1973 and Origins: Wolverine 1973. Edward Norton looks nothing like Mark Ruffalo. Original Burton/Schumacher Batman went from Michael Keaton to Val Kilmer to George Clooney. Heck, Catwoman changes skin colour in the 1960s Batman universe.

These things just happen. I think it's fine.
I think Bond is different though. It was never made explicitly clear that 007 is a cinematic saga/universe.
 

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I just explained that the films referenced each other and took the events to occur in the same year that those other films released in, thus implying that it's the exact events from those films while this is a continuation of the previous actors.
 

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I just explained that the films referenced each other and took the events to occur in the same year that those other films released in, thus implying that it's the exact events from those films while this is a continuation of the previous actors.
Right, but have the creators and writers ever made it clear? Kevin Feige made it clear about Banner and Rhodey.
 

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Right, but have the creators and writers ever made it clear? Kevin Feige made it clear about Banner and Rhodey.
Why would they need to? Do you need to confirm that a movie is in the same series when it has references to previous films and even shares the same actors? You don't confirm that a series' 7th movie is in continuity, you would confirm that it isn't. The only time they confirmed a reboot was with Daniel Craig. Prior to that, it was treated as the same character.

Here's another thing that relates across the different actors:

The fact that the time passage between other actors films is literally acknowledged in canon, like Roger Moore's 1981's For Your Eyes Only being 10 years after Connery's 1971's Diamonds are Forever. Please tell me you can see that, right? A villain is trying to get revenge over Bond because of their last meeting 10 years ago, in another movie with another Bond?

Not to mention, having his wife die in the exact same year as a previous Bond? As in, them dying 12 years prior? They're clearly acknowledging that time is passing. (This is why the codename theory is nonsense, btw)
 
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As for the James Bond multiverse:
1. James Bond 1962-2002 (Original Timeline)
2. James Bond 2006-2021 (Reboot Timeline)
3. Casino Royale 1967
4. Never Say Never Again

That's my interpretation.
 

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As for his age, it's actually quite simple. He was given the age of 37 in the Moonraker novel. While that isn't part of film canon, if we were to count it, we get James Bond's age throughout the series.

These are his approximate ages throughout the series.

Original Timeline
1962 – Dr. No (Age 21)
1963 – From Russia with Love (Age 22)
1964 – Goldfinger (Age 23)
1965 – Thunderbolt (Age 24)
1966 – You Only Live Twice (Age 25)
1969 – On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Age 28)
1971 – Diamonds Are Forever (Age 30)
1973 – Live and Let Die (Age 32)
1974 – The Man with the Golden Gun (Age 33)
1977 – The Spy Who Loved Me (Age 36)
1978 – Moonraker (Age 37)
1981 – For Your Eyes Only (Age 40)
1983 – Octopussy (Age 42)
1985 – A View to a Kill (Age 44)
1987 – The Living Daylights (Age 46)
1989 – Licence to Kill (Age 48)
1995 – GoldenEye (Age 54)
1997 – Tomorrow Never Dies (Age 56)
1999 – The World Is Not Enough (Age 58)
2002 – Die Another Day (Age 61)

Parody Timeline
1967 - Casino Royale (Age 57)

Sean Connery Alternate Timeline
1983 - Never Say Never Again (Age 53)

George Lazenby Alternate Timeline #1
1983 - The Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E. (Age 44)

George Lazenby Alternate Timeline #2
1989 - Alfred Hitchcock Presents 4x15, "Diamonds Aren't Forever" (Age 50)

Daniel Craig Timeline
2006 – Casino Royale (Age 38)
2006 – Quantum of Solace (Age 38)
2012 – Skyfall (Age 44)
2015 – Spectre (Age 47)
2020 – No Time To Die (Age 52)
Based on chronological order timeline-wise rather than release dates

There's also a James Bond Jr. animated series following his nephew but I'm assuming that it doesn't count. There's also serveral comics as well as video games, but it gets hard to understand what's a different continuity and what's not.

I would argue that that is an acceptable compromise in regards to actor ages. No need to bring in any dumb aging serum or sliding timeline because it's just one Bond that we see in different decades of his life.
 
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James Bond actually appeared in The Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E., though not sure how canon you can really take it.
Another unofficial appearance.
 
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James Bond actually appeared in The Return of the Man From U.N.C.L.E., though not sure how canon you can really take it.

My head hurts, Pro Bot. My head hurts. :)
 

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Let's list them as alternate timelines, like Casino Royale 1967 and Never Say Never Again. That's just the most simple.
 

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Funny enough, while all Bond actors from Sean Connery to Pierce Brosnan are the same person because they all reference Tracy Bond, the unoffical 1967 Casino Royale film seems to suggest that the official film series James Bond took on the name of James Bond after the original, portrayed by David Niven, retired.
Bond is also told that the 'sex maniac' who was given the name of 'James Bond' when the original Bond retired has gone to work in television (possibly a satirical reference to EON Productions's Bond). He then orders that all remaining agents will be named "James Bond 007", to confuse Smersh.
If you want to, you could try to fit that film into the continuity, but it isn't an official entry and I wouldn't count it. It's also a parody film.
 

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