Should the Ultimate Fantastic Four Comic Return?

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Most of the other major Ultimate titles (Ultimates, Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate X-Men) have returned in one form or another, so should the Ultimate Fantastic Four comic return? Also if you do think the UFF title should return, what changes should be made to it?
 
Yes Please in Spaaaaaaaaace on a ship called the Excelsior and heavy influence from Star Trek make it about space exploration, actually make it Ultimate Future Foundation and give it to Hickman (once U Hawkeye wraps) with Pasqual Ferry on art duties

Sue, Ben, Captain Marvel, Vision

with Nova and various other psuedo-spacey characters filling out the supporting cast
 
I wouldn't be against it, but honestly I always found Reed to be the most interesting part of the Ultimate FF, due to his crazy brilliance and weird inventions. Now that Reeds a villain and obviously wouldn't be a member, its left to Sue, Ben, and maybe Johnny (if he leaves the new Ult X-Men) and whoever else they throw in.

A space/cosmic title would be a cool idea, but I'm not sure if it can be pulled off without stretching the more "real world" setting of the Ult-verse beyond the breaking point. Ultimate FF did this far too often, and in my opinion is one of the reasons the title was so weak overall. Using fantastic and unbelievable science to force the characters into adventures is one thing, but it should be done right... Ellis was a good choice for the title due to his psuedo-science leanings and his ability to incorporate them into almost believable plots. Millar just went over the top with his characterization and plots (as he normally does), but it worked. Carey's run was just... pointless and boring. Even with stuff as promising as Thanos and Silver Surfer, he fell short.
 
I wouldn't be against it, but honestly I always found Reed to be the most interesting part of the Ultimate FF, due to his crazy brilliance and weird inventions. Now that Reeds a villain and obviously wouldn't be a member, its left to Sue, Ben, and maybe Johnny (if he leaves the new Ult X-Men) and whoever else they throw in.

A space/cosmic title would be a cool idea, but I'm not sure if it can be pulled off without stretching the more "real world" setting of the Ult-verse beyond the breaking point. Ultimate FF did this far too often, and in my opinion is one of the reasons the title was so weak overall. Using fantastic and unbelievable science to force the characters into adventures is one thing, but it should be done right... Ellis was a good choice for the title due to his psuedo-science leanings and his ability to incorporate them into almost believable plots. Millar just went over the top with his characterization and plots (as he normally does), but it worked. Carey's run was just... pointless and boring. Even with stuff as promising as Thanos and Silver Surfer, he fell short.

Yeah, pretty much this.
 
No. It was always the weakest of the Ultimate ongoings. It's done.

I'd much rather see a return of Ultimate Team-up with the new spider-man.
Or try something new? Ultimate Thunderbolts, Ultimate Hulk, Ultimate Kong, groupy of superheroes (Im still SO pissed they just put him on a bus!!!)
 
Ohhh, I like the idea of Ultimate Thunderbolts. Do we have a big enough rouge gallery of villains that are a)still alive and b)"worthy" (important, fleshed out) enough? Or would you rather it be made up of new villains, either 616 ports or brand new?
 
Ohhh, I like the idea of Ultimate Thunderbolts. Do we have a big enough rouge gallery of villains that are a)still alive and b)"worthy" (important, fleshed out) enough? Or would you rather it be made up of new villains, either 616 ports or brand new?

¿por qué no los dos?

There are plenty of one-shot throw-away villains in Ultimate Spider-man alone to do this. And the ultimate line should always try to innovate, so add some original villains too!
 
robje said:
¿por qué no los dos?

There are plenty of one-shot throw-away villains in Ultimate Spider-man alone to do this. And the ultimate line should always try to innovate, so add some original villains too!

Could you get into an ongoing with throw away villains? Are there any that are still alive that you want to read about? I'm not talking villains that are still being used (mysterio) but actual throw aways?

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All it takes is a good writer to turn a throwaway villain into a compelling character.
 
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All it takes is a good writer to turn a throwaway villain into a compelling character.

That is true, however with the way Bendis introduced most of those throw away villains, as one dimensional jokes, it will take a lot of skilled writing to make them compelling enough to headline their own title. First impressions are important and the first impression Bendis gave us most of these villains were that they were one dimensional losers, you almost have to come up with reasons why these guys are supposed to be dangerous enough that government would want them as black ops agent, when Spidey easily defeated them in the space of page.

One of the things that made the Thunderbolts work in the 616 universe, is that the team was made up of villains people were already familiar with and put into a different situation then what they normally appeared in. Considering that most of the villains in the UU are either dead or just jokes, there are not a lot of choices in terms of familiar villains to the readers that could be members, not like in the 616 universe where these villains have been around for decades before becoming Thunderbolts.

Regarding these throwaway villains, the writer would have quickly establish why we should care about these villains, giving them more defined personalities, giving them a reason why they should be regarded as dangerous, essentially justify their roles as the headliners for an Ultimate Thunderbolts title. This would reacquire a writer who is skilled at taking B and C-list villains and making them more interesting and threatening, many writers in the UU have done the opposite taken B and C list villains and made them more pathetic and less developed in the UU.

However a Ultimate Thunderbolts title could be an good way to introduce 616 villains who haven't been used in the UU before, I think of a way to use Helmut Zemo in a title like this.
 
Ok, so how about Reed being the leader of the Thunderbolts. Fury found someway to blackmail Reed, force him to lead a rag tag group of b-listers (we only have a million of 'em). Reed uses his knowledge and science to train these villains, make them into an ultra expendable black ops team. The better Reed does, the more resources Fury gives him. Kinda like Avengers Academy meets Thunderbolts

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I always thought they should have released an Ultimate Thunderbolts after Ultimates 2 which focused on Nick Fury, Hawkeye and the black ops team.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but....

Wasn't Millar's last Ultimates book basically Ultimate Thunderbolts?
 
No. And the reason why is because without Reed Richards, it is not the Fantastic Four. The team exists and carries on solely because of him and his work.

Honestly I can't even remember if he's dead or not, but it doesn't matter because they destroyed the character beyond hope. There is no coming back.

If they hadn't, and there was still a way to use him, I'd love to see the book used to explore the idea of space/time/dimensional/atomic exploration and how the world changes in response toward real-life applications stemming from discoveries made therein, i.e. curing diseases, etc.
 
About whether or not Reed's alive:

He's not. He was shown in Ultimate Fallout as trying to come back to the ultimate universe dimension from wherever he is.
 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but....

Wasn't Millar's last Ultimates book basically Ultimate Thunderbolts?

Basically.

About whether or not Reed's alive:

He's not. He was shown in Ultimate Fallout as trying to come back to the ultimate universe dimension from wherever he is.

Actually:

He's already back. He's the one who's causing all the trouble in Hickman's The Ultimates.





I like the idea of Reed as a villain. His transition from hero to villain wasn't handled well, but there's a lot of potential with Reed as a villain to actually be, well, dangerous. And from whats going on in Ultimates, Hickman seems to be using him correctly. Not as someone who's conincidentally bat-**** crazy and ludicrously smart, but someone who's motivated to do what he's doing because inherently he believed he can make the world better...much like any forward-thinking dictator.

It makes for some interesting stories, and I can't wait to see what decent writers do with the new Evil Reed, depite his questionable transition to the dark side.
 
Basically.



Actually:

He's already back. He's the one who's causing all the trouble in Hickman's The Ultimates.





I like the idea of Reed as a villain. His transition from hero to villain wasn't handled well, but there's a lot of potential with Reed as a villain to actually be, well, dangerous. And from whats going on in Ultimates, Hickman seems to be using him correctly. Not as someone who's conincidentally bat-**** crazy and ludicrously smart, but someone who's motivated to do what he's doing because inherently he believed he can make the world better...much like any forward-thinking dictator.

It makes for some interesting stories, and I can't wait to see what decent writers do with the new Evil Reed, depite his questionable transition to the dark side.

Was there any point in using the spoiler notice when you stated the exact same thing in in the following paragraph? Just curious...
 

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