Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[DIrishB]

Don't forget the flashback scenes from Agents of SHIELD, which go between Captain America and the Agent Carter TV series. But I think that's still in line with the timeline.

Yes, the timeline includes those.

Where was Carter when she was reading the first newspaper? Is it possible that it was an old paper she had picked up?

Nope. The newspaper she reads (at the very beginning in her apartment) mentions Howard Stark being investigated for possible treason, etc (the one dated April 21, 1946). The one she reads later mentions Howard is on the run (dated June 24, 1946). Howard mentions when he sees her that his vault was broken into about a month ago. There's no way there's a two month span between those scenes. As I said, Peggy is wearing the same outfit, and her roommate is getting sick (she jokes she thinks she's coming down with Tubercolosis). Her roommate is still sick later on, after both newspapers (and dates) have been seen.

Even if the newspaper with the April date was an old paper, that doesn't line up with Howard's dialogue of when the vault was broken into. And even if he lied about the "when", the general knowledge of it would be public once the weapons start showing up for sale on the black market, and again, that doesn't allow for over two months passing.

It's obviously a production mistake, regarding props. It's entirely possible neither of the specific dates are intentional. I may have to remove the specific dates altogether and just use 1946 as a placement, depending on if later episodes also show dates that don't jive with the others.

 

[fuzzyfoot]

I'm starting to think the Agent Carter one-shot will be ret-conned by the end of this mini-series. They'll likely reshoot the whole recruitment process for the last episode so it makes sense in the context of what came before in the preceding 7 episodes.

Also, I'm not sure you're aware, but Daredevil was announced to air April 10th, which may in fact place it prior to Ultron's arrival.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I think from a strict sense we only know that it's april 24 when Carter is gazing out the window in her robe. When the montague ends she has changed and it's now June 24. It may seem odd but it's the only solution that doesn't contridict. Excluding the recycled one shot footage which in my opinion was used as standard stock action footage. Who knows maybe it will work out in 6 more episodes.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Netflix is now saying we should expect each of those series roughly a year apart. If that holds we won't see Defenders till 2019.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/01/0...lease-plans-for-marvel-series-after-daredevil

 

[dsethlewis]

Netflix is now saying we should expect each of those series roughly a year apart. If that holds we won't see Defenders till 2019.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/01/0...lease-plans-for-marvel-series-after-daredevil

Damn you beat me to it. I was about to say the same thing. Also, it's not really a timeline issue, but I think the dates for the last few episodes of SHIELD are a day off as listed on the timeline. They're airing on May 5th, 12th, and 19th.

Also: http://www.newsarama.com/23150-ant-man-movie-prelude-comic-reveals-the-first-ant-man.html

 

[DIrishB]

I'm starting to think the Agent Carter one-shot will be ret-conned by the end of this mini-series. They'll likely reshoot the whole recruitment process for the last episode so it makes sense in the context of what came before in the preceding 7 episodes.

I doubt that.

Also, I'm not sure you're aware, but Daredevil was announced to air April 10th, which may in fact place it prior to Ultron's arrival.

Yup.

Netflix is now saying we should expect each of those series roughly a year apart. If that holds we won't see Defenders till 2019. http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/01/07/netflix-clarifies-release-plans-for-marvel-series-after-daredevil

He said they'd air the shows with breaks of between 8 months to a year apart. That still allows for Daredevil in April, AKA Jessica Jones sometime between Dec, 2015 and April, 2016, Iron Fist in late 2016 or early 2017, and Luke Cage in late 2017/early 2018, with Defenders sometime in 2018 or 2019.

It's entirely possible that Daredevil will bring in huge subscription numbers for Netflix, which may cause them to accelerate the release schedule some. Even if they don't, 2019 is a worst case scenario for Defenders.

I think from a strict sense we only know that it's april 24 when Carter is gazing out the window in her robe. When the montague ends she has changed and it's now June 24. It may seem odd but it's the only solution that doesn't contridict. Excluding the recycled one shot footage which in my opinion was used as standard stock action footage. Who knows maybe it will work out in 6 more episodes.

Either way that still doesn't line up with Howard mentioning his vault was broken into and the weapons stolen about a month ago. Especially in light of the April 24 newspaper mentioning Stark being questioned by Congress about his weapons showing up for sale on the black market.

In this case, its obvious it was a production error regarding the props not properly reflecting the story's passage of time. Just one of those things.

If more dates are shown in the future that don't make sense, I'll just forego the specific day dates and just list it all as 1946 without specific dates.

Damn you beat me to it. I was about to say the same thing. Also, it's not really a timeline issue, but I think the dates for the last few episodes of SHIELD are a day off as listed on the timeline. They're airing on May 5th, 12th, and 19th.

Fixed that.

Also: http://www.newsarama.com/23150-ant-man-movie-prelude-comic-reveals-the-first-ant-man.html

Yup, saw that.

 

[wyokid]

Damn you beat me to it. I was about to say the same thing. Also, it's not really a timeline issue, but I think the dates for the last few episodes of SHIELD are a day off as listed on the timeline. They're airing on May 5th, 12th, and 19th.

Source for that?

 

[DIrishB]

Source for that?

Probably the calendar, since those are all Tuesdays. I must not have counted correctly when I added those last few.

 

[dsethlewis]

I'm vying for nitpickiest contributor.

Aos 1.06 is "FZZT," not "F.Z.Z.T." It's not an acronym. It's just the sound the team hears near the victims they're investigating.

I dare you all to try and find an even more minor, unimportant detail to fix.

 

[DIrishB]

I'm vying for nitpickiest contributor. Aos 1.06 is "FZZT," not "F.Z.Z.T." It's not an acronym. It's just the sound the team hears near the victims they're investigating. I dare you all to try and find an even more minor, unimportant detail to fix.

According to epguides.com, it's F.Z.Z.T.

Also, according to the ABC website, its F.Z.Z.T.

 

[Spoon_Wielder]

According to epguides.com, it's F.Z.Z.T.

Also, according to the ABC website, its F.Z.Z.T.

According to the Bluray it's FZZT.

 

[DIrishB]

According to the Bluray it's FZZT.

Ok. I'll go with that.

Also, I'll try to get the Avengers comic adaptation broken up and inserted amongst the film chapters sometime this week or weekend.

 

[wyokid]

What's a good video editing software if I wanted to make this in four years?

Probably the calendar, since those are all Tuesdays. I must not have counted correctly when I added those last few.

I was more asking when it was said that we'll have episodes then. Everything is rumor until confirmed as far as I'm concerned.

 

[DIrishB]

What's a good video editing software if I wanted to make this in four years? I was more asking when it was said that we'll have episodes then. Everything is rumor until confirmed as far as I'm concerned.

May sweeps. ABC isn't going to miss out on the opportunity to capitalize on ratings, and they'll do so by airing the AoS Season 2 finale the second week of May to capitalize on that. In combination with those episodes tying into Avengers - AoU, I'd expect to see a noticeable bump in the ratings for those tie in episodes/finale.

 

[DIrishB]

Well, this interview with Brett Dalton may help narrow down a more precise time span between Agents of SHIELD seasons 1 and 2:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=113719

"Ward had a hell of a time in the cage by himself for six months, he had some suicidal tendencies, and once he comes to the end of wrestling with all of his demons, he makes a promise – to reunite Skye with her dad," the actor says. "And that went on for 10 episodes. But her shooting me three times kind of answers the question of, ‘Are you into this? Is this gonna work?’ It was a big statement for her to make."

Now, while it certainly doesn't set anything in stone, Dalton would probably know how long Ward was locked up for, either it being mentioned directly in a script or by producers/directors in terms of helping Dalton with his characterization. After all, six months in a prison would be important for an actor to know in terms of informing their performance.

So while it's certainly nothing set in stone and isn't confirmed in an episode itself, I can't take it as a sure thing, but still found it interesting.

 

[Spoon_Wielder]

As far as the Winter Soldier crossover episodes go, didn't find a better solution than the one on the timeline.

But I did notice something else. The scenes in the episode 'Ragtag' that happened '10 years ago' would have happened in 2003 not 2004. The only reason you have it that way though, is because you added it to the timeline before we knew all of season 1 was crammed into the Fall/Winter of 2013.

I guess that means the scenes marked 15 years ago would also move to 1998.

 

[DIrishB]

As far as the Winter Soldier crossover episodes go, didn't find a better solution than the one on the timeline. But I did notice something else. The scenes in the episode 'Ragtag' that happened '10 years ago' would have happened in 2003 not 2004. The only reason you have it that way though, is because you added it to the timeline before we knew all of season 1 was crammed into the Fall/Winter of 2013. I guess that means the scenes marked 15 years ago would also move to 1998.

Good catch.

Fixed.

Thanks for pointing that out.

 

[wyokid]

Possibly canon (but I SERIOUSLY doubt it)

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[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Not sure if anyone has brought this up before but at 2:42 in the Agent Carter One Shot Peggy hands in a report from SHIELD from what I believe is SWORD that is dated 03-14-1946. Its of a "recent transmission" that Peggy finished "yesterday". So it is possible that the one shot occurs before the series even though the ending sure seems like its after the series.

 

[DIrishB]

Possibly canon (but I SERIOUSLY doubt it)

Nope. That's "inspired by", but definitely not canon. While Will Corona Pilgrim is writing it, it doesn't feature the Avengers "A" logo marked as official MCU, nor is it titled Marvel's Avengers...

All the canon material, the television series, the canon comics, are all labeled "Marvel's...".

Not sure if anyone has brought this up before but at 2:42 in the Agent Carter One Shot Peggy hands in a report from SHIELD from what I believe is SWORD that is dated 03-14-1946. Its of a "recent transmission" that Peggy finished "yesterday". So it is possible that the one shot occurs before the series even though the ending sure seems like its after the series.

Dates, especially dates on props, can't be taken as law, since often they conflict with other dates (seen onscreen or on other props, usually newspapers, etc). When they don't conflict I use them, but when they do I have to take the film and show runners word for placement. And the showrunners of Agent Carter have explicitly stated the TV show occurs before the One Shot. That's further proven by the events of the One Shot itself and how it ends.

I don't see Peggy hanging around a job she essentially hates at SSR when she has an position of command with SHIELD.

So just to put it to bed (because this is something that's been asked a lot recently), Agent Carter (the TV series, or at least Season 1 assuming they bring it back for another season) occurs before Agent Carter (the One Shot).

There's no sensical way to place the events of the One Shot before the TV show. It doesn't work, both in terms of Peggy's character, motivations, etc, nor in the greater plot (ie, SHIELD was essentially born as an idea of Howard Stark's very soon before the events of the One Shot, since at the end he recruited Peggy, and it's very likely Howard was motivated to form SHIELD due to the events of the Agent Carter TV show, where he's had his weapons stolen and is being treated as a traitor. I could definitely see a desire to create a more capable agency to handle such things, since (besides Peggy), no SSR agents are really doing anything impressive.