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I should point out that Bwdelano is talking about the mention of it taking place in a "post-Katrina New Orleans"
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I should point out that Bwdelano is talking about the mention of it taking place in a "post-Katrina New Orleans"
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I'm thinking the flashbacks shown in the trailer when they were young kids is what occurs in the more immediate post Katrina era, but I'm sure the present day portions will be set probably in 2016-2018 time frame. Even though Katrina occurred almost 13 years ago, even present day is still "post-Katrina". And the flashbacks to when they were kids occurs probably 6-8 years in the past, more or less, we'll have to see if we get more details on their ages of when that accident occurred when they were kids and exactly how old they are in the present day.
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I saw the first two episodes of Cloak and Dagger at a preview screening last week. I didn't see any immediate timeline information--there's a vague "years later" tag on the present day segments after the flashbacks. Lil' Dagger is using an old flip phone in the flashback scenes, and there may be some dates on tombstone and milk cartons that appear during one of Cloak's visions, but I didn't catch any. The present day events occur during basketball season, though.
Roxxon is the only major MCU tie-in thus far, though one could hope for some Agent Carter/Iron Man 3/Luke Cage mentions along the way.
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Roxxon is the only major MCU tie-in thus far, though one could hope for some Agent Carter/Iron Man 3/Luke Cage mentions along the way.
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While it doesn't affect anything in this timeline, I would like to point out that the location of Wakanda seems to have been retconned.
In Civil War, it is located between South Sudan, Uganda and Kenya.
But in Black Panther, its location seems to have been changed to be between Rwanda, Uganda and DRC.
Art book: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstud...ndas_location_in_africa_revealed_in_art_book/
Coordinates as seen in the movie:
And in the opening of the movie, at 1 minute 30 seconds, it zooms out from the Rwanda/Uganda/DRC area.
This doesn't change anything for Infinity War though, as it is still a 4 hour 20 minute flight via Quinjet from New York, as Agamotto said. This is just for future reference.
Also, this might be worth noting in the MCU Wiki.
In Civil War, it is located between South Sudan, Uganda and Kenya.
But in Black Panther, its location seems to have been changed to be between Rwanda, Uganda and DRC.
Art book: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstud...ndas_location_in_africa_revealed_in_art_book/
Coordinates as seen in the movie:
And in the opening of the movie, at 1 minute 30 seconds, it zooms out from the Rwanda/Uganda/DRC area.
This doesn't change anything for Infinity War though, as it is still a 4 hour 20 minute flight via Quinjet from New York, as Agamotto said. This is just for future reference.
Also, this might be worth noting in the MCU Wiki.
Alright, thanks. I'm very busy at the moment so I haven't quite got around to finishing off my timings breakdown for Infinity War.While it doesn't affect anything in this timeline, I would like to point out that the location of Wakanda seems to have been retconned.
In Civil War, it is located between South Sudan, Uganda and Kenya.
But in Black Panther, its location seems to have been changed to be between Rwanda, Uganda and DRC.
Art book: https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstud...ndas_location_in_africa_revealed_in_art_book/
Coordinates as seen in the movie:
And in the opening of the movie, at 1 minute 30 seconds, it zooms out from the Rwanda/Uganda/DRC area.
This doesn't change anything for Infinity War though, as it is still a 4 hour 20 minute flight via Quinjet from New York, as Agamotto said. This is just for future reference.
Also, this might be worth noting in the MCU Wiki.
For the last couple of Netflix releases, I'd used some data from the last releases to predict the next few release dates. My formulas and things had come out with Friday March 16th for Jessica Jones: Season 2 - the same weekend as Daredevil: Season 2 in 2016 and Iron Fist: Season 1 in 2017. I hadn't considered International Women's Day. And I'd gotten Friday June 22nd for Luke Cage: Season 2, which ended up spot-on. I'd predicted early November for Daredevil: Season 3 and January for Iron Fist: Season 2.
However, in a Reddit AMA, Jeph Loeb has said Iron Fist: Season 2 will arrive "this year". Assuming nothing has changed and Daredevil: Season 3 is still set to also come out this year, after Luke Cage: Season 2 and before Iron Fist: Season 2, then we'd be looking at A - 4 Marvel Netflix seasons in just one year, and B - adjusting my estimates, we're probably getting Daredevil in October and Iron Fist in December.
He also said, "For the most part our stories will take place BEFORE Thanos clicked his fingers. A lot of that has to do with production and when we are telling our stories vs. when the movies come out. So hang in there. I remember in the comics, one of my favorite stories was the KREE-SKRULL war... which was universal, but in X-Men, no mention. Huh. And it all worked out in the end!"
The expectation from the times of filming would suggest that Daredevil: Season 3 and Iron Fist: Season 2 will be set around Winter 2017-18 and then The Punisher: Season 2 (due out, by my predictions, probably March 2019) around Spring 2018. So we might encounter some problems where possibly Iron Fist: Season 2 and most likely The Punisher: Season 2 will place themselves, just by dates, after Infinity War in early 2018, but they will be coming out before Avengers 4 so we won't know whether placing them after Infinity War is viable or not, not knowing how the snap will be resolved. Still though, Loeb is suggesting I guess that most of the Netflix stuff will be pre-snap and that Cloak & Dagger - if it is indeed present day, and New Warriors if that's coming before Avengers 4, will be pre-snap.
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I'm about to sit down and watch the first two episodes so I'll keep an eye out, but I've noticed Marvel seem to be shying away from specific dates in the TV shows and films (probably to help avoid continuity problems by making stuff less specific in terms of when it occurs on the timeline). Which may be a blessing in disguise, at least for the timeline. It may mean less specific placements, but it also opens up a lot more leeway in terms of placements and (as said) avoiding continuity/timeline screw ups.
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Yeah, I have a feeling all the currently in pre-production/production Marvel shows will occur before events of Infinity War (with exception of Agents of SHIELD Season 6) just due to simplicity's sake and because those stories are so far removed from the events in the films (except the mentions of Battle of New York from first Avengers).
New Warriors may not end up coming out until Disney's streaming service premieres. The rumor is that Disney is considering using NW as a launch or close to launch premiere for the service, which makes sense from a business standpoint. An exclusive MCU-set show, along with the Star Wars live action show Favreau is producing, even those two shows will be a huge draw for subscribers.
So, depending on when exactly Disney is planning on releasing that streaming service, and whether or not NW ends up being a release at launch or after, means NW most likely won't come out until after Avengers 4.
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Since there are no clear dates so far in C&D, we'll have to use estimates of the characters ages in the flashbacks and present day (which isn't difficult based on them being in high school in present day). I'll use the child actors who played the roles in the flashbacks to gauge intended age of the characters in those flashbacks, while also accounting for the fact they filmed this stuff probably close to a year ago.
So, Maceo Smedly who plays young Tyrone was born in Feb, 2007, and the Pilot episode was filmed in Feb 2017 so the actor was ten years old, likely indicating young Tyrone is around 8-10 years old in the flashbacks (child actors often play roles a couple years younger than their actual age). The actress who plays young Tandy (Rachel Ryals) doesn't have a birth year listed on IMDB, but according to her bio she began acting at 8, and her filmography only has a few roles, the earliest releasing in 2018. Given the filming date of early 2017, I'd imagine the actress is also between 8-10 years old at the time of filming. Not exact details, but helps narrow things down at least.
As for what year the present day stuff is set, I can't say. 2016? 2017? 2018? As TalonCard pointed out its during high school basketball season, but that doesn't narrow things down much. Practice begins in early September for Louisiana high school sports, according to this link, as all other estimates are drawn from (there's no reason to think the dates have drastically changed in a few years, depending on when exactly C&D Season 1 begins).
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This means C&D can begin really anytime during school year before March, so September to February (even March in case of finals).
I'm watching the first episode now and at 1:05 the front end of a white Lexus can be seen. Does anyone familiar with autos recognize the model and possible year of that vehicle? that could at least provide and earliest possible placement for the flashback scenes.
The flip phone Talon mentioned that Tandy is using (at around 1:45 mark) could also help narrow down likely intended placement, least a bit. Tandy's dad also uses a Blackberry-like device shown very quickly at the 3:37 mark.
At the 7:43 mark, Tandy's father's work ID badge shows date ranges for when its issued and when it expires (presumably, its a bit out of focus). Doing my best to read it, I THINK it says ??MAR08 to ??MAR10 (I can't read the first couple of numbers that correspond to the specific day). I think it may be March 29 on second date, but can't make out the first one. Doesn't really matter anyway as it doesn't specifically denote the date of the flashbacks, but at least it narrows it down.
This indicates the flashbacks occur sometime between March 2008 and March 2010.
Given Tandy is getting into a club underage, I'm going to assume Tyrone and Tandy are in their senior year of high school.
At around the 20:30 mark, one of Tyrone's friends mentions she's throwing a party in the woods to celebrate them making state, likely placing the first episode in February (since State Championships are usually held in late February to early March, and its indicated they had just completed regular season or district playoffs). February is definitely the most reasonable spot to place the show's first episode.
As to whether thats meant to occur in 2016, 2017, or 2018, I can't say. I am however inclined to lean toward 2017 so as the show's timeline runs concurrent with the filming timeline, since thats often how the Netflix shows approach their timelines (well, sort of).
At 21:15 Tandy is walking along a road and the trees are all leafless in background, indicating winter time. Even though its set in and filmed in Louisiana, apparently it gets cold enough for leaves to fall off trees (that happens to some degree even down here in sweltering Florida, though our winters rarely dip below 40 degrees F here). This backs up the February month placement, especially as thats when that shot was most likely filmed (since first episode began filming in early Feb 2017).
At 31:13 a newspaper is shown, but the date isn't visible, or may not even be on the paper itself, another tactic I've noticed a lot of TV shows utilize is removing dates altogether in places they'd normally be, to avoid specific timeline placements for whatever reason--have a feeling thats the case here, in combination with the "Years Later" tag instead of a specific number of years.
At 31:48 a specific date is shown on a security camera feed, 2007-04-18, indicating the Roxxon oil rig disaster that gave Tyrone and Tandy their powers occurred in April 18, 2007 (which conflicts with the security badge of Tandy's father, but I'm taking the security camera date over that since its clearly visible and they had to pick a specific date for the cam feed as they always could've just used a cam shot without a date).
In episode 2, at 4:17 mark, Tyrone's father mentions "Eight years ago, fate pushed us down hard." This is obviously a reference to Tyrone's brothers death, placing the flashbacks in 2007 based on the camera date, and eight years later would place C&D sometime in 2015... we'll see.
At around 24:35 mark of episode 2, one of Tyrone's teammates mentions they're going to state finals "next week", indicating the season begins a bit after mid February, with first episode covering a few days, and episode 2 picking up following day sometime after Feb 20 or so.
At 36:20 mark of Episode 2, in a dream sequence, on a milk carton Tyrone and his brother's pictures reflect they've been missing since June 6, 2008 (6/6/08), which may be the intended date of Tyrone's brothers death and the oil rig explosion, which would put present day events either in 2016, or Feb 2017 (same as filming period), which would still be 8 years after Billy's death to tie in with Tyrone's father mentioning it was 8 years ago (or 8 years and 8 months, meaning his father wasn't rounding up to nearest year, which makes sense in that case).
So, Maceo Smedly who plays young Tyrone was born in Feb, 2007, and the Pilot episode was filmed in Feb 2017 so the actor was ten years old, likely indicating young Tyrone is around 8-10 years old in the flashbacks (child actors often play roles a couple years younger than their actual age). The actress who plays young Tandy (Rachel Ryals) doesn't have a birth year listed on IMDB, but according to her bio she began acting at 8, and her filmography only has a few roles, the earliest releasing in 2018. Given the filming date of early 2017, I'd imagine the actress is also between 8-10 years old at the time of filming. Not exact details, but helps narrow things down at least.
As for what year the present day stuff is set, I can't say. 2016? 2017? 2018? As TalonCard pointed out its during high school basketball season, but that doesn't narrow things down much. Practice begins in early September for Louisiana high school sports, according to this link, as all other estimates are drawn from (there's no reason to think the dates have drastically changed in a few years, depending on when exactly C&D Season 1 begins).
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This means C&D can begin really anytime during school year before March, so September to February (even March in case of finals).
I'm watching the first episode now and at 1:05 the front end of a white Lexus can be seen. Does anyone familiar with autos recognize the model and possible year of that vehicle? that could at least provide and earliest possible placement for the flashback scenes.
The flip phone Talon mentioned that Tandy is using (at around 1:45 mark) could also help narrow down likely intended placement, least a bit. Tandy's dad also uses a Blackberry-like device shown very quickly at the 3:37 mark.
At the 7:43 mark, Tandy's father's work ID badge shows date ranges for when its issued and when it expires (presumably, its a bit out of focus). Doing my best to read it, I THINK it says ??MAR08 to ??MAR10 (I can't read the first couple of numbers that correspond to the specific day). I think it may be March 29 on second date, but can't make out the first one. Doesn't really matter anyway as it doesn't specifically denote the date of the flashbacks, but at least it narrows it down.
This indicates the flashbacks occur sometime between March 2008 and March 2010.
Given Tandy is getting into a club underage, I'm going to assume Tyrone and Tandy are in their senior year of high school.
At around the 20:30 mark, one of Tyrone's friends mentions she's throwing a party in the woods to celebrate them making state, likely placing the first episode in February (since State Championships are usually held in late February to early March, and its indicated they had just completed regular season or district playoffs). February is definitely the most reasonable spot to place the show's first episode.
As to whether thats meant to occur in 2016, 2017, or 2018, I can't say. I am however inclined to lean toward 2017 so as the show's timeline runs concurrent with the filming timeline, since thats often how the Netflix shows approach their timelines (well, sort of).
At 21:15 Tandy is walking along a road and the trees are all leafless in background, indicating winter time. Even though its set in and filmed in Louisiana, apparently it gets cold enough for leaves to fall off trees (that happens to some degree even down here in sweltering Florida, though our winters rarely dip below 40 degrees F here). This backs up the February month placement, especially as thats when that shot was most likely filmed (since first episode began filming in early Feb 2017).
At 31:13 a newspaper is shown, but the date isn't visible, or may not even be on the paper itself, another tactic I've noticed a lot of TV shows utilize is removing dates altogether in places they'd normally be, to avoid specific timeline placements for whatever reason--have a feeling thats the case here, in combination with the "Years Later" tag instead of a specific number of years.
At 31:48 a specific date is shown on a security camera feed, 2007-04-18, indicating the Roxxon oil rig disaster that gave Tyrone and Tandy their powers occurred in April 18, 2007 (which conflicts with the security badge of Tandy's father, but I'm taking the security camera date over that since its clearly visible and they had to pick a specific date for the cam feed as they always could've just used a cam shot without a date).
In episode 2, at 4:17 mark, Tyrone's father mentions "Eight years ago, fate pushed us down hard." This is obviously a reference to Tyrone's brothers death, placing the flashbacks in 2007 based on the camera date, and eight years later would place C&D sometime in 2015... we'll see.
At around 24:35 mark of episode 2, one of Tyrone's teammates mentions they're going to state finals "next week", indicating the season begins a bit after mid February, with first episode covering a few days, and episode 2 picking up following day sometime after Feb 20 or so.
At 36:20 mark of Episode 2, in a dream sequence, on a milk carton Tyrone and his brother's pictures reflect they've been missing since June 6, 2008 (6/6/08), which may be the intended date of Tyrone's brothers death and the oil rig explosion, which would put present day events either in 2016, or Feb 2017 (same as filming period), which would still be 8 years after Billy's death to tie in with Tyrone's father mentioning it was 8 years ago (or 8 years and 8 months, meaning his father wasn't rounding up to nearest year, which makes sense in that case).
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Updated for first couple episodes of Cloak & Dagger (with corresponding notes in post above).
The flashback portions firmly dated themselves as occurring in April, 2007 based on the security cam footage. Tyrone's father mentions (in the present day portions) that those events were 8 years ago, though the modern day portions have to occur in late February to align with the mentions of them going to high school basketball state championships. So, presumably this means the present day events are occurring in February, 2015 (which is two months shy of 8 years) or Feb, 2016 (which is two months shy of being nine years).
I think the Feb 2015 date is more likely based on the dialogue, but the 2016 date may be more accurate in being closer to present day/dates of filming (though that would've been a year before actual filming dates for first couple episodes so maybe not).
I dunno, we'll see if any further info helps iron it out better.
I'm sticking with the 2007 and 2015 placements for now.
The flashback portions firmly dated themselves as occurring in April, 2007 based on the security cam footage. Tyrone's father mentions (in the present day portions) that those events were 8 years ago, though the modern day portions have to occur in late February to align with the mentions of them going to high school basketball state championships. So, presumably this means the present day events are occurring in February, 2015 (which is two months shy of 8 years) or Feb, 2016 (which is two months shy of being nine years).
I think the Feb 2015 date is more likely based on the dialogue, but the 2016 date may be more accurate in being closer to present day/dates of filming (though that would've been a year before actual filming dates for first couple episodes so maybe not).
I dunno, we'll see if any further info helps iron it out better.
I'm sticking with the 2007 and 2015 placements for now.
A few other things I thought might be of note.
I think the first date on Nathan Bowen's ID might say ??MAR06 not ??MAR08. So that would work out for the 2007-04-18 date.
There's some songs playing in-universe in Episode 1. Using this site, I've found out that they're Lush Life by Leo Islo, which was released in April 2017, Right Now by Vindata, which was released in February 2017, and Breakin' the Rules by Candace Coles & Darien Dorsey, which has very little information on the Internet.
There's pills shown in the episodes, I wondered if maybe they might have visible expiry dates, probably not though.
Both Tandy and Tyrone have iPhones. I haven't had a look yet to see if I can work out which models they have, but that could be indicative of when the present day stuff is set.
In Episode 2, it's shown that the sun has risen before 6:45AM. By New Orleans sunrise times, this would suggest it is between February 9th and September 15th (in other words, it would suggest that it is not late September, October, November, December, January, or early February).
You get a bit of texting and predictive texts and Emoji and with the format of the messaging shown on the iPhones, I wondered if anyone knew which iOS the iPhones were on. I don't really have too much time to research it myself, and have never owned an iPhone so am not an expert.
The "6/6/08" thing was a bit odd, because the flashbacks were so clearly shown as April 2007. It's easy to pass off because it's not real, it's some sort of vision - it's just a bit odd that they didn't use the April 2007 date. Perhaps the intention is that it's the date on which Tyrone's mother was paranoid and having nightmares or anxieties about that sort of thing happening. But underneath the 6/6/08, Tyrone and Billy both have dates of birth listed. Considering Tyrone's about 17-18 - like you said, he's probably a senior - in present day, this could also help. I think it might be something like "9/15/99" and "8/10/89" but really I couldn't make out the dates much at all, so if anyone else can, that would also be great. Billy being born c. October 1989 would be about right, making him 17 in April 2007. However, c. September 1999 seems a bit late for Tyrone - he'd be 7 in April 2007, and he seems like he's not much younger than 9, to me at least.
Looking at how school years work in Louisiana, to make, for example, the September 2005 kindergarten year, you have to have to be 5 by October 2005 (the latest you can turn 5 is September 30, 2005). So September 2005 kindergarten means you turn 5 between October 2004 and September 2005. So you were born October 1999-September 2000. So October 1999-September 2000 means you're in kindergarten Sep 2005-Jun 2006, 1st grade Sep 2006-Jun 2007, 11th grade (junior) Sep 2016-Jun 2017, 12th grade (senior) Sep 2017-Jun 2018. So:
*Born Oct 1996-Sep 1997 means junior Sep 2013-Jun 2014, senior Sep 2014-Jun 2015.
*Born Oct 1997-Sep 1998 means junior Sep 2014-Jun 2015, senior Sep 2015-Jun 2016.
*Born Oct 1998-Sep 1999 means junior Sep 2015-Jun 2016, senior Sep 2016-Jun 2017.
*Born Oct 1999-Sep 2000 means junior Sep 2016-Jun 2017, senior Sep 2017-Jun 2018.
Therefore, if Tyrone was born around April 1997, probably the earliest he could have been born considering the actor was about 10y0m during filming and Tyrone is unlikely to be older than the child actor, he'd be a senior in September 2014-June 2015. Since he's probably a senior and this is February, that would make it February 2015. If not, he's at least a junior - so February 2014. This seems outside the realm of possibility though.
If Tyrone was born around April 1998, the rough latest he looks like he could have been born in the April 2007 scenes, he'd be a senior in September 2015-June 2016. Since he's probably a senior and this is February, that would make it February 2016. If not, he's at least a junior - so February 2015.
And if Tyrone's date of birth is indeed about September 1999, he'd be a senior in September 2016-June 2017. Since he's probably a senior and this is February, that would make it February 2017. If not, he's at least a junior - so February 2016.
It's all a bit messy already unfortunately.
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Just a few things I noticed that haven't already been listed
In the first episode, Tyrone pulls over a taxi, on the windshield is an inspection sticker that expires "11 17." In Louisiana inspection stickers can be purchased for one or two years. Meaning at most, the show would occur after November of 2015, so I'm definitely on the on the early 2016 band wagon. I know it goes against the state championship argument, but it could even be argued that it could be December of 2015 to enforce both pieces of evidence (I'm not sure about the visions though, those dates and the cam date are so incredibly different, so that is really odd to me.)
Tyrone while he is talking to his priest has a conversation in the form of Priest: "You know what I would tell you?" Tyrone: "The same thing you have been telling me for three years." Although this does not prove it completely, this could be a tell that Tandy and Tyrone are in fact juniors in high school.
Also, just general information if it helps the pilot was filmed in February of 2017 and filming for the remainder of the show picked up in July of 2017.
Just a few things I picked up watching it, most of it had been listed already, so I really had to look. I'm excited to watch more of it, I'm actually pretty surprised how much I like it. I thought it would be good, yeah, but it's REALLY good, so I'm excited to keep watching.
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I hadn't noticed that but I'm more inclined to side with utilizing real world time frames for such thing when it doesn't conflict with anything onscreen. While it does with that sticker, that could be seen as an unavoidable byproduct of when they were filming as opposed to intended timeline setting.
I'll admit I find the fact it's potentially set a few years in the past a bit odd, but there may be a reason for that (an intended time jump between first and second season, possibly). But I'm inclined to take the security cam footage over the vision/dream sequence thing, as the security cam date is pretty absolute, whereas the vision/dream thing could be chalked up to an unreliable narrator situation due to it being a dream or nightmare or reoccurring fear of Tyrone's mother.
Yeah, I took it to mean either junior or senior. Junior as in he's in his third year (though then technically it'd only be 2 and a half years or so, if he's still in mid junior year, but he could be rounding up). Or it's senior year, mid way through, and he's just referring to 3 completed years (though it'd be three and a half specifically).
I enjoyed it too. It was surprisingly well done. Looking forward to the rest of the season.
Tyrone's date of birth in HD - 8/19/00 (I got it very wrong).
This is problematic, because it means a) Tyrone is 6 in the prologue, which is very young, and b) Tyrone is a junior in September 2016-June 2017, and a senior in September 2017-June 2018, meaning we're probably February 2017 or February 2018 - which is difficult, because of the dialogue placing it earlier. I guess we'll see how this plays out.
This is problematic, because it means a) Tyrone is 6 in the prologue, which is very young, and b) Tyrone is a junior in September 2016-June 2017, and a senior in September 2017-June 2018, meaning we're probably February 2017 or February 2018 - which is difficult, because of the dialogue placing it earlier. I guess we'll see how this plays out.
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Interesting tweet from the Captain America Twitter promises to give a look at the cinematic timeline. The link in the tweet is giving me a 503 error, but here's the tweet in case that gets fixed shortly.
https://twitter.com/CaptainAmerica/status/1005857106912792581?s=19
https://twitter.com/CaptainAmerica/status/1005857106912792581?s=19
Here are a few Tweets about it. They are deleted, but I archived the Google cache:
http://archive.is/HzhnL
http://archive.is/8ZcJ9
http://archive.is/zFcac
I've visited the site, and right now, it looks like it's just the movies in reverse order of release date:
https://disneymovierewards.go.com/articles/marvelstudios10?cmp=DMR|VANITY|ARTCL|HUB|Marvel10|
https://disneymovierewards.go.com/a...RO|EXPLORE-TIMELINE|DMR|ARTCL|MARVEL|TIMELINE
What a poopy timeline. I hope this isn't the one that Feige was talking of
So, I was at Barnes and Noble today and while I was there I picked up and read through the Marvel Studios 101 book. And for the most part, they stay away from dates, but when passage of time is mentioned there are A LOT of issues......this forum would have a field day with it. Some examples include: Tony being attacked "three days" after getting his award. Even though the movie gives us a clear "36 Hours Earlier." The chronological timeline at the beginning is, I kid you not, the order of release just Captain America is now at the front. Guardians Vol. 2 is shown to be set after Doctor Strange. It's a damn mess. I only post this to advise not spending a ton of money on it, because from what I can see.....it's......well, not good.
Here's a picture of it, at the top of this article:
https://disneynerds.com/2018/05/16/need-help-understanding-the-marvel-universe-book-review/
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Yeah but that also shows his older brother's birthday as 2002, making his older brother somehow two years younger (which makes no sense).
Given those occur during that dream/vision sequence, I think it's best to chalk those dates up as something along the lines of an unreliable narrator type approach.
Lol.
In a way, I'm kind of glad they're staying away from doing an official specific timeline, only because I know it'll end up probably creating more problems than it solves.
This 10 Years website timeline is a real world timeline, not in-universe at all. Like 64SuperNintendo was saying, it's just purely the release dates.
It's not, because Feige said, "I love the Star Wars timeline, with the Battle of Yavin, everything is either After the Battle of Yavin, Before the Battle of Yavin. We're doing that, and the origin point for us is Tony saying, "I am Iron Man". So everything will be years after that, years before that - to the Big Bang, which is where it starts! It will look very cool and complex like Doc Brown on a chalkboard by the time it's published." Basically, by the sounds of it, it will look like a more complex version of the 2012 one.
But, as DIrishB said about the watch order in the book:
My thoughts exactly. Don't want this official timeline, because it will inevitably cause problems. The thing is, as ridiculous as it might initially sound, we probably know more about the ins and outs of the MCU timeline than Feige does. He's implicitly said that they're more focused on quality than timeline accuracy, and has also explicitly said that they usually don't have dates in their films except the Guardians of the Galaxy films, which isn't actually the case - many of the films do have dates, as we know. As well as this, I'm sure that Marvel Studios aren't monitoring the timeline details in all the TV shows the way we do.
I wonder what's going on with that official timeline. Back in October when he mentioned it, he was talking about how it will justify "8 years later". Now, as we saw for 9 months, many people online had a tendency to not actually go back and rewatch the old films/research for their supposed explanations of how ""8 years later" does work!" If they had released the timeline back then, the Internet would have, frustratingly, mostly just gone along with it. "Yup, that was the explanation that was being discussed online. Confirmed now."
But with Infinity War directly and explicitly contradicting "8 years later", the people online who only focus on the latest bits of evidence have now also been mostly convinced that "8 years later" is a mistake. The majority of these casual viewers online will just go with the easiest explanation. "6 years? OK, so it is usually real time then. That makes things easier." It seems to be the way most of the Internet has gone, with only a few people now still insisting "8 years later" was correct.
But now, if Marvel release this timeline, it's kind of lose-lose. While we knew that it would have been wrong, like I said, most people would probably have accepted it. But now, if they release it, it will raise more questions. Either they don't justify "8 years later", and thus Feige contradicts his previous kind-of-promise, but get the timeline hopefully mostly right - or they do go ahead and justify it, contradicting Infinity War, make things unnecessarily complicated again, and highlighting their inconsistencies in their films.
If it's still happening - and I doubt Feige would have said it if there were a chance of changing their minds - then seeing as it's not out yet with Infinity War, it will probably now not be coming until next spring with Avengers 4. Let's just hope it's not too bad.
Wow, that's... Glad I didn't order the book for the hope of good timeline information outside of the Iron Man 3 confirmation. And where even is Spider-Man: Homecoming? It goes from 15) Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 to 16) Thor: Ragnarok...Here's a picture of it, at the top of this article:
https://disneynerds.com/2018/05/16/need-help-understanding-the-marvel-universe-book-review/
Thanks for checking out the book and letting us know.
This is what I was saying to the user who posted the HD images, because it does indeed look like "02" for Billy. It's slightly possible it's "82", but that's not ideal either, with the actor being 17, but this making Billy 25 in the scene.
I responded to the user:
"Billy should have been born around February 1990 based on the actor being about 17y2m old when they filmed the pilot.
I think what's happening here is that the idea is, on June 6, 2008, a little over a year after Billy's disappearance, Adina Johnson is still anxious, remembering the loss of her first son over and over (but viewing him as an innocent child, her little son she cared for so deeply), and is seeing her second son follow suit - her worst fear come true. This goes hand-in-hand with her comment, "I'm afraid that even if you do everything perfectly, I'm gonna lose you." She sees the missing symbols and they both show the current date because that's when she's worrying, and Billy's says he was born in 2002 I guess because it would make little sense to say 1990 but also show him as a child on the missing date of "6/6/08", with the height and weight and appearance of a child, the way she is seeing him. So the date of birth is more working back from how he is appearing in her mind than Billy's actual date of birth. However, just because this clearly cannot be Billy's actual date of birth does not mean Tyrone's is not real, because Tyrone genuinely was a child in 2008, and it could well be his real date of birth. If it is though, it could cause some problems, and [...] maybe it should be dismissed. I wouldn't dismiss it yet, but the fact that it's just a vision and has a date of birth for Billy that doesn't make sense both allow some leeway if it needs to be ignored. It's the reason I haven't added the date to Tyrone's page - it's not necessarily factual yet. I'm kind of hoping someone will be more explicit at some point in the episodes about how old they are/when they were born/when the flashbacks were (I mean, the 2007-04-18 was very clear, but just to reiterate it)/when it is now. Any of those would be helpful."
So I pretty much agree. I wouldn't count it out completely yet, but it's not necessarily firm evidence.
Cloak & Dagger's a bit all over the place with its timeline after those first 2 episodes. Let's hope it clears up.
In the third episode of Cloak and Dagger, we see a drivers license for Rick Cotton, the spoiled rich kid Tandy fended off in the premiere. He was born September 29, 1994, but the actor's birthdate doesn't appear to be online, so it's hard to see if there's any chronological indicator there.
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Nice, thanks for heads up... does anyone know if its also on Youtube? Just wondering for sake of "official title" for it, if it even has one. Otherwise I'll use the quote listed with it.
Agamatto, you make a really good point about Tyrone's mom's vision. I like that theory.
Well, with the current day events of the show seemingly occurring in February 2015 (it could be Feb, 2016 if Tyrone's dad was SEVERELY underestimating), that'd make him 20 (in 2015) or 21 (in 2016).
Here's a picture of it, at the top of this article:
https://disneynerds.com/2018/05/16/need-help-understanding-the-marvel-universe-book-review/
What I really don't get about this is the list of films on the side. Why have prefixed Infinity War with "Marvel Studios'"?
Perhaps they are titling their films that now so the GA can differentiate between Sony and them. They seem to keep distancing themselves more and more. It used to be "Marvel" but now it's "in association with Marvel"
Has anyone seen this? Might be from that same "Avengers 101" book. Saw an Avengers book at Walmart and looked through it, but I don't remember what it was called. Anyway, it justifies why Thanos gave Loki the scepter. It's the reason I always thought myself, he didn't know it had an infinity stone inside.
"The Mind Stone was first introduced into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in The Avengers back in 2012. Thanos, unaware of what it actually was, granted use of the stone to Loki to help him in his proposed conquest of Earth."
That blue coloring did the trick, I guess.
"The Mind Stone was first introduced into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in The Avengers back in 2012. Thanos, unaware of what it actually was, granted use of the stone to Loki to help him in his proposed conquest of Earth."
That blue coloring did the trick, I guess.
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Scott has been under house arrest for two years.
[video=youtube;94LMvchi7lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LMvchi7lY[/video]
Either the movie takes place in 2018 (possibly concurrently with Infinity War), or the scene is near the end of the movie after a timeskip.
Also:
https://www.fandango.com/movie-news...-the-wasp-from-the-other-marvel-movies-753273
[video=youtube;94LMvchi7lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LMvchi7lY[/video]
Either the movie takes place in 2018 (possibly concurrently with Infinity War), or the scene is near the end of the movie after a timeskip.
Also:
https://www.fandango.com/movie-news...-the-wasp-from-the-other-marvel-movies-753273
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It might be unlisted on YouTube like the Meachum New York Bulletin and Chikara Dojo videos. I had a look, but the best I can do is that on Facebook the video is called "Rand Cares".
I think it's more because the book is for Infinity War, so they're kind of highlighting the film as special.
That's interesting. I think the 101 book is a bit more simplistic in its layout, but it might be one of the other new information books - there was another one which was a bit more paragraph-y like that. The "2012" I don't see as timeline evidence, I think they're just saying the film came out in 2012 - but we have plenty of evidence for The Avengers being 2012 anyway. But the mind stone... I always assumed that he knew he had the mind stone, and he lent it to Loki to help him get another one. Like, "Here, borrow this, and return it to me along with the space stone." While some might argue that Thanos would be more reluctant than that to give away a stone, I find the idea of him lending it to help get a 2nd much more plausible than the one guy who's hellbent on gathering all six infinity stones - which are supposedly scattered across the vast universe - happening to have already had one, and didn't even realise it.Has anyone seen this? Might be from that same "Avengers 101" book. Saw an Avengers book at Walmart and looked through it, but I don't remember what it was called. Anyway, it justifies why Thanos gave Loki the scepter. It's the reason I always thought myself, he didn't know it had an infinity stone inside.
"The Mind Stone was first introduced into the Marvel Cinematic Universe in The Avengers back in 2012. Thanos, unaware of what it actually was, granted use of the stone to Loki to help him in his proposed conquest of Earth."
That blue coloring did the trick, I guess.
Also, DIrishB was right, Nathan Bowen's ID does start in 08, not 06. Specifically, it's "30MAR08" to "29MAR10", so unfortunately, it is indeed an inconsistency. Also, it says "NATHAN BOWENS", not "NATHAN BOWEN". So it's a pretty bad prop.
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