Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

[Agamotto]

I don't think anyone is disputing the LC placement at this point, is there anyone that disputes the other series now? IF season 2 being the latest addition

I wasn't trying to convince anyone, I was just saying the things I'd been planning on saying for a few months - adding my own notes, including some things that hadn't been noted before, which happened to add to the 2017 placement you guys had already decided on.

Updated for Agamotto's suggestions.

Which things were updated?

I'm kind of attached to the idea of IF2 being December 2017. Colleen's line about the nightclub door makes it seem like LC2 was recent, and placing it in September gives plenty of breathing room for DD3 and Punisher 2 to take place before IW.

I know props make it pretty clear that it's early 2018, but for right now I'm personally just placing it in a nebulous "post LC2" spot and waiting on DD3. I'm pretty confident they'll be a little more specific about how much time has passed since Defenders.

I meant September 2017... apparently I can't edit posts anymore.

I will address the Iron Fist stuff in another message coming up, but the club line isn't a reference to Luke Cage - it's a drug farm that Danny breaks into in Luke Cage: Season 2, Episode 1, not a nightclub. Plus if it were immediately after Luke Cage: Season 2 there would potentially be some clash with Mr. Yang and Misty's appearances.

Yeah, I, too, am concerned about what Daredevil: Season 3 will have to say about the time since The Defenders...

Hmmm won't let me edit either... I can see reasoning behind that, I know they say it happens before the snap, so can pencil it in with space for DD3 and P2, but nothing to stop us moving it after should Avengers 4 pull some time travel shenanigans making the comments of it being before irrelevant. Is there anything that stops that placement from being possible other than props? Off the top of my head after a long day I can't think of anything other than New York isn't quite that cold in September

Again, I'll get to this in an upcoming message, but the nightclub isn't a Luke Cage reference, and as well as the "1/2/2018" tablet date, there's the references in Episodes 9 and 10 to it being Chinatown's "Spring Fair" (related to Chinese Lunar New Year in February) very soon and the fact it's clearly presented as deep winter, including lines of dialogue such as Colleen telling Lana's mother in Episode 1 that she'll get Lana "winter clothes".

Should the iron fist texts be included? (All about this., So much for being punctual., A true GOAT., Girls' Night out.)
https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1027619268651827201

https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1029797370899230720?lang=en-gb

https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1031605534242234368

https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1035229412843610112?lang=en

Also the videos from the website based on the rising tide?

The Iron Man Takes Flight
https://youtu.be/bcdxTyKwcKA

Footage from the Stark Exbo Attacks
https://youtu.be/oRKEjhdY_eM

Evidence of Real Life Monster
https://youtu.be/pumm1tY8TKY

Dont know whats screwing with the links but just copy and paste them :/

And lastly you could add runaways season 2 to after DD season 3.

I was preparing a response to the last time you brought this up, to send later on in a future response, but it's a small thing so I might as well just send it now:

Should the iron fist texts be included? (All about this., So much for being punctual., A true GOAT., Girls' Night out.) https://mobile.twitter.com/MarvelIronFist

Also the videos from the website based on the rising tide?

The Iron Man Takes Flight
https://youtu.be/bcdxTyKwcKA

Footage from the Stark Exbo Attacks
https://youtu.be/oRKEjhdY_eM

Evidence of Real Life Monster
https://youtu.be/pumm1tY8TKY

First, the Iron Fist texts.

With additional material like this, I usually say to place it the same number of days before the beginning of the season as it was released. So if something promoting Iron Fist: Season 2 came out like 48 hours before Iron Fist: Season 2, then it should be placed around 48 hours before the beginning of Iron Fist: Season 2 in the timeline.

So, with these, remember Iron Fist: Season 2 came out September 7, 2018 07:00 UTC.
-"All about this." Posted August 9, 2018 18:15 UTC, 684.75 hours before the season. The season begins January 1, 2018 at roughly 2AM New York time. 684.75 hours earlier is December 3, 2017 13:15 New York. The closest "5:47PM-6:56PM" (when the texts take place) is December 3, 2017 17:47-18:56 New York time.
-"So much for being punctual." Posted August 15, 2018 18:30 UTC, 540.5 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives December 9, 2017 13:30 New York. The closest "5:47PM-6:56PM" (when the texts take place) is December 9, 2017 17:47-18:56 New York time.
-"A true GOAT." Posted August 20, 2018 18:15 UTC, 420.75 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives December 14, 2017, 13:15 New York. The closest "3:56PM" (when the texts take place) is December 14, 2017 15:56 New York time.
-"Girls' night out." Posted August 30, 2018 18:15 UTC, 180.75 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives December 24, 2017 13:15 New York. The closest "10:07PM" (when the texts take place) is December 24, 2017 22:07 New York time.

Also, it turned out that the two first promo teasers for the season were not actually footage from the show, but rather especially-shot teasers. So those can also be added.
-Date Announcement. Posted July 20, 2018 02:00 UTC, 1181 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives November 12, 2017, 21:00 New York. The closest daytime (when the scene takes place) is November 12, 2017 daytime New York time.
-Memories Teaser. Posted July 28, 2017 09:22 UTC, 981.63333 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives November 21, 2017, 04:22 New York. The closest daytime (when the scene takes place) is November 21, 2017 daytime New York time.


As for the Rising Tide, you're missing a few things. Here's the full breakdown. They were all released on Sunday, May 12, 2013, and using this site, the times of posting can be found. Here:
-The first video was "Evidence of Real Life Monster". The original link still works, here, and it was released at 15:28:02 UTC.
-The second video was "What Really Happened Here? S.H.I.E.L.D. Operatives Spotted?". The video at the original link has been taken down, but people on YouTube have reuploaded it, or you can watch it on Web Archive here.
-The third video was "S.H.I.E.L.D. Evidence Caught on Tape!". The video at the original link has been taken down, but people on YouTube have reuploaded it.
-The fourth video was "The Iron Man Takes Flight". The original link still works, here, and it was released at 15:30:39 UTC.
-And the fifth video was "Footage from Stark Expo Attacks". The original link still works, here, and it was released at 15:33:03 UTC.
And the reason I know how "What Really Happened Here? S.H.I.E.L.D. Operatives Spotted?" and "S.H.I.E.L.D. Evidence Caught on Tape!", the two which have been removed from YouTube, fit into the order of upload, is that this site has the 5 videos in order, and I can tell that it's the order of upload because the 3 for which we do know the time of upload, "Evidence of Real Life Monster", "The Iron Man Takes Flight", and "Footage from Stark Expo Attacks", are in the correct order, implying that is intentional and therefore the list is all in order.

The synopsis for Daredevil season three says Matt Murdock has been missing for months.

https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/m...his-latest-season-3-teaser-new-stills-a163746

Take it a grain of salt for now.

Oh dear. This sounds like it's going to be fun...

 

[Agamotto]

Ignore my response to Pro Bot in the message above. The thread is very weird at the moment and my message posted twice, so I was going to try to make it no longer two identical messages, but instead edit them to turn the first message into a general replies thing and make the second message just the response to Pro Bot. I edited the second message so it's just the Pro Bot response, as well as improving it, and it worked, but whenever I try to edit the previous message it takes me to a "403 FORBIDDEN - YOU DON'T HAVE PERMISSION TO ACCESS TO THIS DOCUMENT ON THIS SERVER - THIS SITE RECENTLY UNDERWENT EXTENSIVE REDESIGN AND YOU MAY BE REFERENCING AN OUTDATED LINK..." message. I don't know what's going on, the way the thread works is very messy right now, I hope it gets sorted.
So anyway, the original (slightly worse) response to Pro Bot is still there unfortunately. But ignore that, this is my proper response to Pro Bot.

Should the iron fist texts be included? (All about this., So much for being punctual., A true GOAT., Girls' Night out.) https://mobile.twitter.com/MarvelIronFist

Also the videos from the website based on the rising tide?

The Iron Man Takes Flight
https://youtu.be/bcdxTyKwcKA

Footage from the Stark Exbo Attacks
https://youtu.be/oRKEjhdY_eM

Evidence of Real Life Monster
https://youtu.be/pumm1tY8TKY

Should the iron fist texts be included? (All about this., So much for being punctual., A true GOAT., Girls' Night out.)
https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1027619268651827201

https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1029797370899230720?lang=en-gb

https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1031605534242234368

https://mobile.twitter.com/marvelironfist/status/1035229412843610112?lang=en

Also the videos from the website based on the rising tide?

The Iron Man Takes Flight
https://youtu.be/bcdxTyKwcKA

Footage from the Stark Exbo Attacks
https://youtu.be/oRKEjhdY_eM

Evidence of Real Life Monster
https://youtu.be/pumm1tY8TKY

Dont know whats screwing with the links but just copy and paste them :/

And lastly you could add runaways season 2 to after DD season 3.

First, the Iron Fist texts.

With additional material like this, I usually say to place it the same number of days before the beginning of the season as it was released. So if something promoting Iron Fist: Season 2 came out like 48 hours before Iron Fist: Season 2, then it should be placed around 48 hours before the beginning of Iron Fist: Season 2 in the timeline.

So, with these, remember Iron Fist: Season 2 came out September 7, 2018 07:00 UTC.
-"All about this." Posted August 9, 2018 18:15 UTC, 684.75 hours before the season. The season begins January 1, 2018 at roughly 2AM New York time. 684.75 hours earlier is December 3, 2017 13:15 New York. The closest "5:47PM-6:56PM" (when the texts take place) is December 3, 2017 17:47-18:56 New York time.
-"So much for being punctual." Posted August 15, 2018 18:30 UTC, 540.5 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives December 9, 2017 13:30 New York. The closest "5:47PM-6:56PM" (when the texts take place) is December 9, 2017 17:47-18:56 New York time.
-"A true GOAT." Posted August 20, 2018 18:15 UTC, 420.75 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives December 14, 2017, 13:15 New York. The closest "3:56PM" (when the texts take place) is December 14, 2017 15:56 New York time.
-"Girls' night out." Posted August 30, 2018 18:15 UTC, 180.75 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives December 24, 2017 13:15 New York. The closest "10:07PM" (when the texts take place) is December 24, 2017 22:07 New York time.

Also, it turned out that the two first promo teasers for the season were not actually footage from the show, but rather especially-shot teasers. So those can also be added.
-Date Announcement. Posted July 20, 2018 02:00 UTC, 1181 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives November 12, 2017, 21:00 New York. The closest daytime (when the scene takes place) is November 12, 2017 daytime New York time.
-Memories Teaser. Posted July 28, 2017 09:22 UTC, 981.63333 hours before the season. Back from January 1, 2018 02:00 New York, this gives November 21, 2017, 04:22 New York. The closest daytime (when the scene takes place) is November 21, 2017 daytime New York time.


As for the Rising Tide, you're missing a few things. Here's the full breakdown. They were all released on Sunday, May 12, 2013, and using this site, the times of posting can be found. Here:
-The first video was "Evidence of Real Life Monster". The original link still works, here, and it was released at 15:28:02 UTC.
-The second video was "What Really Happened Here? S.H.I.E.L.D. Operatives Spotted?". The video at the original link has been taken down, but people on YouTube have reuploaded it, or you can watch it on Web Archive here.
-The third video was "S.H.I.E.L.D. Evidence Caught on Tape!". The video at the original link has been taken down, but people on YouTube have reuploaded it.
-The fourth video was "The Iron Man Takes Flight". The original link still works, here, and it was released at 15:30:39 UTC.
-And the fifth video was "Footage from Stark Expo Attacks". The original link still works, here, and it was released at 15:33:03 UTC.
And the reason I know how "What Really Happened Here? S.H.I.E.L.D. Operatives Spotted?" and "S.H.I.E.L.D. Evidence Caught on Tape!", the two which have been removed from YouTube, fit into the order of upload, is that this site has the 5 videos in order. You can tell that it's the order of upload because the 3 for which we do know the time/order of upload, "Evidence of Real Life Monster", "The Iron Man Takes Flight", and "Footage from Stark Expo Attacks", are in the correct order, implying that the list is intentionally ordered, and therefore the list should all be in order.

 

[Lebnyx]

Which things were updated?

I placed the August 28 - September 5 episodes on those dates, and gave the other episodes (which you said were estimations) non-specific August and September placements, as DIrishB did whenever specific dates weren't set in stone.

 

[Lebnyx]

Updated for Ant-Man and the Wasp's digital release.

MrRLopez and Bussterj on MCU wiki said that the date on Scott's computer seems to say "4/30/2018", so I dated the movie based on that.

 

[Lebnyx]

Does anyone have any info on Ant-Man and the Wasp: The Heroes' Journey?

 

[Pro Bot]

Well... theres this https://www.lbyr.com/titles/steve-b...es-journey/9780316480505/#module-whats-inside
Other then the extract i know nothing. Sorry.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Avengers - Infinity War Chapter 19: "Aftermath" (2:14:17 - 2:17:30)
Ant-Man and the Wasp Chapter 18: "End Credits" (1:57:29 - 1:57:53)

^ I don't think there is a way to know for sure which film chronologically ends before the other.

 

[Craig]

I couldn't pick up on anything from the DD3 trailer today. Anyone else have better luck?

 

[Pro Bot]

Nice. Updated with AMATW: THJ

 

[Pro Bot]

Spider-Man is in kraven the Hunter movie?!?

https://youtu.be/MQAkjL--gD8

https://youtu.be/0Bnn7CLJLF0

I guess it doesnt mean anything yet but its something... right?

 

[selfishmisery]

Spider-Man is in kraven the Hunter movie?!?

https://youtu.be/MQAkjL--gD8

https://youtu.be/0Bnn7CLJLF0

I guess it doesnt mean anything yet but its something... right?

Not unless Venom is canon...It's still Sony.

But who knows? The audience score is super positive and box office is doing great for Venom, so maybe the Sony spinoffs, if they keep up the momentum, will become MCU canon.

 

[Agamotto]

I placed the August 28 - September 5 episodes on those dates, and gave the other episodes (which you said were estimations) non-specific August and September placements, as DIrishB did whenever specific dates weren't set in stone.

Right OK. I just thought it was in-keeping with the system, where dates are given if we're pretty sure of the exact date, but otherwise if there's some leniency, we just give the month. It also solves the problem of Mariah's "a few weeks ago" line.

Does anyone have any info on Ant-Man and the Wasp: The Heroes' Journey?

Well... theres this https://www.lbyr.com/titles/steve-b...es-journey/9780316480505/#module-whats-inside
Other then the extract i know nothing. Sorry.

Nice. Updated with AMATW: THJ

I should probably try buying these books at some point.

Avengers - Infinity War Chapter 19: "Aftermath" (2:14:17 - 2:17:30)
Ant-Man and the Wasp Chapter 18: "End Credits" (1:57:29 - 1:57:53)

^ I don't think there is a way to know for sure which film chronologically ends before the other.

I'll address this properly in my message responding to the topic of the Infinity War and Ant-Man and the Wasp timings, but Thanos is seemingly coming right from Wakanda. It would take a few minutes at least to send out the emergency broadcast, and the final Ant-Man and the Wasp credits scene is some time after that (could be seconds after it's sent, could be a very long time).

Overall, it's likely that Infinity War finishes before the last Ant-Man and the Wasp credits scene.

I couldn't pick up on anything from the DD3 trailer today. Anyone else have better luck?

When Foggy looks at the news, there's the headlines, "Russia's Economic Outlook Upgraded After Oil Discovery" and "Eastern Conference Eyes Anderson First in" and then the next words seem to be "Multi-Player".

Neither of these are specific one-date-only news stories that give an exact timeframe for the season, but judging from these three articles I found (1, 2,3), some stuff seemed to be happening with Russian oil and the economy around March-May 2018, so it would work with March. As for the Eastern Conference one, I couldn't really work out who "Anderson" is - maybe it would be clearer to someone from New York who follows sports, because I'm not familiar with famous American sportspeople or what the "Eastern conference" is (it seems to be a thing in several sports, not just one). But the players I seemed to find who it might be about are the NBA's Anderson Varejão, the NHL's Craig Anderson, or the NHL's Joey Anderson, though I couldn't find any articles resembling this kind of headline in the last year or so. Mrmichaelt at the wiki also suggested NBA player Justin Anderson, saying he thought he might have been in a multi-player deal from the Philadelphia 76ers to the Atlanta Hawks in the NBA Eastern Conference.

 

[Agamotto]

Spider-Man is in kraven the Hunter movie?!?

https://youtu.be/MQAkjL--gD8

https://youtu.be/0Bnn7CLJLF0

I guess it doesnt mean anything yet but its something... right?

Not unless Venom is canon...It's still Sony.

But who knows? The audience score is super positive and box office is doing great for Venom, so maybe the Sony spinoffs, if they keep up the momentum, will become MCU canon.

I hope not. I was dreading Tom Holland potentially being in Venom and was very glad to hear he isn't (I have no interest in actually seeing the film). I am very against this "Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters". I feel like they're trying to exploit the success Marvel have given them with the Spider-Man character to ride their coattails and make their own film successful. Amy Pascal has also been confusing people by hinting it's part of the MCU despite it not being, confusing people into seeing it. And if they had put Tom Holland in the film (which they might have the rights to do - they technically own the character) they would essentially be barging their way into the MCU without Marvel's permission. Using the deal with Marvel Studios to then also make their own films that they essentially canonise into the MCU without Feige's permission (he clearly doesn't want it). Unless Feige came out and said something like, "Nope, it's actually just another universe where Spider-Man looks like Tom Holland."
They're very much liking the fact that the general public have been confused into thinking this is a Marvel film, I'm sure, because it benefits them, with the brand Marvel Studios have built. It doesn't benefit Marvel Studios. It tarnishes their brand. And Venom just looks awful anyway, in my opinion. Sony also haven't learned their lesson from The Amazing Spider-Man about forcing a cinematic universe when there isn't one to be made. I was really hoping Venom would bomb honestly, so Sony get their comeuppance, as few people as possible see the brand-tarnishing film, and Sony cancel their universe so no more films come out to continue potentially exploiting/tarnishing Marvel. Plus then, Marvel might actually get access to more characters they would almost certainly do better.

And timeline-wise, it would likely be problematic as well, there's already a lack of timeline coordination at Marvel on their own, imagine also having Sony make their own decisions that don't line up with Marvel's.

Who knows how far this universe will go. It looks like Morbius and Venom 2 might still happen, but maybe (hopefully in my opinion) it'll end there. I don't think Tom Holland will show up if Feige has any control over that. Unfortunately, I don't know if he does.



Right, once I have some time in the next couple of days, I'll post my next big response to the last few months, about Cloak & Dagger evidence.

 

[Pro Bot]

To each their own. I personally liked venom. I feel that it doesnt need to be in the mcu but a entire universe of side-line marvel characters seems ridiculous. If it ends though you wont see me crying.

 

[Zpdedoda]

I hope not. I was dreading Tom Holland potentially being in Venom and was very glad to hear he isn't (I have no interest in actually seeing the film). I am very against this "Sony's Universe of Marvel Characters". I feel like they're trying to exploit the success Marvel have given them with the Spider-Man character to ride their coattails and make their own film successful. Amy Pascal has also been confusing people by hinting it's part of the MCU despite it not being, confusing people into seeing it. And if they had put Tom Holland in the film (which they might have the rights to do - they technically own the character) they would essentially be barging their way into the MCU without Marvel's permission.

It might be similar to the situation with QuickSilver. They'd own the rights to the character but not the actor so they'd have to get their own guy in to play him. They've got Miles Morales in an animated feature so they might bring him into the live action ones as well.

 

[Pro Bot]

That would be good. They should attempt to separate themselves from the mcu instead of throwing around false information.

 

[Craig]

Mrmichaelt at the wiki

Ha! I know that dude from the Ghostbusters fandom. Haven't interacted with him since the IDW publishing boards shut down. I had no idea he was an MCU dude, but it's good to have him. Wicked smart and crazy attention to detail.

 

[selfishmisery]

It's not MCU canon at this point, but in case something spontaneously happens to totally suggest it is in the next few months, I'll just say in Venom I saw the dates "10-27" and "2018" on the emails towards the beginning. (Since those were from two days ago, it would mean the first 15 minutes take place on October 29-30, 2018 - before the 6 month time jump (April 2019).)

 

[selfishmisery]

Daredevil S3 E1 starts several weeks after The Defenders.

I'm still watching for any further info.

 

[selfishmisery]

Daredevil Season 3 definitely takes place several weeks to a few months after Defenders.

I'm looking for any hard dates, but it looks like January-March 2017. There's also snow in S3 E2.

EDIT: Towards the end of S3 E3, Matt says he's been gone for a couple of months. So it starts out in January 2017, and as of S3 E3 it's February 2017.

 

[Lebnyx]

I've started to watch season 3. How many flashbacks are there in the season?

 

[Craig]

So while I agree that February 2017 makes the most sense, the fact that Tower is campaigning hard suggests closer to November.

 

[selfishmisery]

I've started to watch season 3. How many flashbacks are there in the season?

I'd say at least 10.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

If anybody is interested, I have been working on a complete chronological viewing order of the entire MCU. It's 99.9% based on this timeline, with a few minor placement disagreements, such as having AMATW set before IW.

 

[Pro Bot]

Nice! Though cap: first avenger is necessary to watch agent carter in my opinion. I need to check out those in-universe videos to add to my personal viewing timeline.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

I try to keep it as objective as possible. Everyone has an order they subjectively prefer so you can't please everyone in that aspect. That's why I try to keep it as logical as possible vs. how people feel it should be watched.

 

[Pro Bot]

Meh. Agent carter is the fallout of cap: tfa. This is fact. Its simply when you (the viewer) would like to watch it. You'd be least confused watching it first in my opinion.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

1. Yes, it is the fallout of the primary flashback sequence of TFA, which just so happens to be a majority of that film's runtime. So that would be fact.

2. The bookends, however, take place in the "present day", and since the film ends in 2012, it logically falls into that year on the timeline. So no, it's not "when I'd like to watch it", it actually takes place in 2012.

3. Insulting the audience now are we? That is your opinion. Most of us are pretty good at putting context clues together and the pilot even recaps the ending of the film so a first time viewer isn't completely lost.

I think you need to understand the difference between objective and subjective.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

1. Yes, it is the fallout of the primary flashback sequence of TFA, which just so happens to be a majority of that film's runtime. So that would be fact.

2. The bookends, however, take place in the "present day", and since the film ends in 2012, it logically falls into that year on the timeline. So no, it's not "when I'd like to watch it", it actually takes place in 2012.

3. Insulting the audience now are we? That is your opinion. Most of us are pretty good at putting context clues together and the pilot even recaps the ending of the film so a first time viewer isn't completely lost.

I think you need to understand the difference between objective and subjective.

 

[Pro Bot]

Hey! Sorry! I never meant to insult anyone! I was just telling you my personal opinion. Its a fact that the modern day setting is then but from a tv and movie viewing order i believe this is better. Sorry maybe i should have worded my sentences better. It seems you misunderstood my comment. I did sound a bit bossy with the "fact" part. I was trying to justify my thinking. You are free to disagree with me. Dont turn me into the villain please.

I also said "in my opinion". I was thinking from a typical viewers head.

Edit: ohhh you thought i meant "you". I meant "whoever is watching it". I understand why you put it there i just prefer it first.