Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)
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That would make sense, yes. The difficulty lies in finding an appropriate place to put a timeskip, as not a lot of time seems to have passed for Matt when he was healing, and the remainder of the season takes place over the course of a month or two. Maybe several months pass for him before he starts training?
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Yeah, on its own, it definitely seems to take place a few months after The Defenders. But the earlier it is, the stranger it seems that the characters in Luke Cage and Iron Fist season 2 act as if Matt is still presumed dead. I'm not entirely satisfied with either placement, tbh.
I totally get where you are coming from. I'm trying to think how to put this...I think I can more easily excuse nobody acknowledging he is back, if they even know he is. The Luke Cage mention wasn't super specific to him dying, I think it's just along the lines of "People will never know what Matt did under Midland Circle" or something. I can't really remember the Iron Fist one either, but I don't think it specifies him dying. Plus, we don't know what happens with Matt after Season 3, maybe he travels and no one catches wind of him being back (I don't believe this, I'm just making a point.) . I just feel like Luke and Danny's reaction, and Jessica Jones not even mention, of Matt is easier to explain away then a year or more gap between the Defenders and DD3. I know he was banged up, from you know, A BUILDING, but it's just a bit long. Especially since in the show they only use months and weeks. I think the only reference to years may have been Fisk's two years line, but I've only watched through once.
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Like I said before, I think another big hint that it's after Luke Cage 2 is that Mariah isn't at Fisk's wedding, whereas it seems like every major crime boss in Manhattan is there, including Rosalie Carbone.
As for the election stuff, NYC historically has held elections for mayor/city council/DA etc. every 4 years since 1897. So DD3 can end any time before December 20, 2017. Not once was the word "primary" ever uttered, and they would have specified that if it were earlier in the year. So the way I see it is Tower wins the Democratic primary (which would have been September 2017) early in the season, and Foggy is a late filing Independent.
As for the election stuff, NYC historically has held elections for mayor/city council/DA etc. every 4 years since 1897. So DD3 can end any time before December 20, 2017. Not once was the word "primary" ever uttered, and they would have specified that if it were earlier in the year. So the way I see it is Tower wins the Democratic primary (which would have been September 2017) early in the season, and Foggy is a late filing Independent.
I don't want to come off as argumentative, but your first point feels like a non factor. In universe explanation: Mariah has already had her name dragged through the mud with her relation to Cornell, why, when in Luke Cage 2 we see her trying to recreate her image as a legitimate business woman (Her Family First Initiative) would she risk having her name associated with known felon Wilson Fisk? Out of universe explanation: Alfre Woodard is a pretty in demand actress and to make her rearrange her schedule for a nothing cameo would be a waste of time and energy.
On your second point, I'm not sure I know enough about the DA election process to really comment, but do they acknowledge when the election is? I have only watched through once, but I honestly don't remember. How early can you begin campaigning for reelection? And again let's not lose sight that this is a work of fiction, sometimes real world stuff gets muddled. I'm just along the line of thinking that it makes more sense for Tower to be campaigning a year out then Matt laying around in a church for a year.
But your points are really well researched and thought out.
On your second point, I'm not sure I know enough about the DA election process to really comment, but do they acknowledge when the election is? I have only watched through once, but I honestly don't remember. How early can you begin campaigning for reelection? And again let's not lose sight that this is a work of fiction, sometimes real world stuff gets muddled. I'm just along the line of thinking that it makes more sense for Tower to be campaigning a year out then Matt laying around in a church for a year.
But your points are really well researched and thought out.
I mean, she's still publicly connected to scum bags like Shades, Piranha, etc. Plus Fisk has a way of spinning the media to make it look like he's being framed and is actually a good guy. But you're right about Woodard.
Never too early to start campaigning lol. I know specific dates are pretty much out the window for real world to MCU comparison, but I just don't see any reason to not assume that major elections are also in early November. And we know it's not a special election, since Tower is running for re-election, so no wiggle room there.
Never too early to start campaigning lol. I know specific dates are pretty much out the window for real world to MCU comparison, but I just don't see any reason to not assume that major elections are also in early November. And we know it's not a special election, since Tower is running for re-election, so no wiggle room there.
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Both arguements are pretty compelling but I'd go with DE23111 i think. I'm only 53% sure so im not 100% confident.
Right. But what I'm asking is, if we assume the election is in November of 2017, why is it off base to assume that Tower is merely campaigning for reelection a year before this?
I see. My main thinking is that there is never a single mention of the primary election. And in the finale, they make it seem like the election is happening fairly soon when Foggy drops out and endorses Tower.
I just watched the Luke Cage episode with Foggy in it, and got nothing. No mention of Matt, an election, Fisk, nothing. Although the DD3 finale suggests that Murdock, Nelson & Page was gonna be a thing yet he's clearly acting on his own. I think I remember Tower being in the Luke Cage finale, might be worth checking for a clue.
I just watched the Luke Cage episode with Foggy in it, and got nothing. No mention of Matt, an election, Fisk, nothing. Although the DD3 finale suggests that Murdock, Nelson & Page was gonna be a thing yet he's clearly acting on his own. I think I remember Tower being in the Luke Cage finale, might be worth checking for a clue.
Agamotto mentioned in his timeline evidence post for Daredevil season 3 in the MCU wiki that Mrs. Callahan voted as an absentee in episode 3, implying it is more than one day, but less than 45 days before the election. So, late September to early November.
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Okay so, I'm pretty sure the episode in question is five not three. In fact in episode three when Matt reunites with Foggy at the bar to warn him about Fisk, he tells him that he has had a "rough couple of months." And in this episode Foggy is still very much reeling over Matt's death, like, dreams and all, now obviously it is up to interpretation, but to me it seems VERY fresh.
All of the evidence here is based on real world events, which I think we can both admit is a slippery slope. I can not for the life of me think of one line of dialog that indicates we are a year out from Defenders. Lanthom says they buried Elektra "months ago" not almost two years ago. Matt tells Foggy he has a rough "couple of months." How long was Karen able to pay Matt's rent without a. running behind and b. Foggy having no idea. Why does Fisk thank Felix for protecting Vanessa for "Two years" if it has been three almost four? What did Matt do for a year in that church? I feel like we are disregarding very clear indication of where this takes place based solely on unfounded evidence that their fictional election works the same way ours do.
I mean for all we know Reyes could have been sworn in on January 1st, 2013. Tower took over in December of 2015 when she died, carried out her term up until the election in September or November (whichever election you choose since neither are mentioned) of 2016 and the winner of that election would be sworn in on January 1st of 2017. We don't know how the in universe DA elections work, we have not been told.
I need to rewatch the Foggy/Luke Cage episode again. But I could see him maintaining his job at Hogarth while still trying to get the new firm off the ground. And who knows, maybe Matt went searching for Elektra or something before committing to the idea or Nelson, Murdock and Page. We have no idea. There's just a lot of assuming at this point.
All of the evidence here is based on real world events, which I think we can both admit is a slippery slope. I can not for the life of me think of one line of dialog that indicates we are a year out from Defenders. Lanthom says they buried Elektra "months ago" not almost two years ago. Matt tells Foggy he has a rough "couple of months." How long was Karen able to pay Matt's rent without a. running behind and b. Foggy having no idea. Why does Fisk thank Felix for protecting Vanessa for "Two years" if it has been three almost four? What did Matt do for a year in that church? I feel like we are disregarding very clear indication of where this takes place based solely on unfounded evidence that their fictional election works the same way ours do.
I mean for all we know Reyes could have been sworn in on January 1st, 2013. Tower took over in December of 2015 when she died, carried out her term up until the election in September or November (whichever election you choose since neither are mentioned) of 2016 and the winner of that election would be sworn in on January 1st of 2017. We don't know how the in universe DA elections work, we have not been told.
I need to rewatch the Foggy/Luke Cage episode again. But I could see him maintaining his job at Hogarth while still trying to get the new firm off the ground. And who knows, maybe Matt went searching for Elektra or something before committing to the idea or Nelson, Murdock and Page. We have no idea. There's just a lot of assuming at this point.
(Insert after first sentence in first section.) Whereas the write in ballot does indicate that they are close to the election, there for hurting if not destroying my year of campaigning theory, there is nothing against the idea that this election could be being held in 2016.
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Ok now we're getting somewhere. I'm operating based off of this timeline's placement of Defenders in mid-November 2016. Season 3 picks up "months" later as per a title card so I'm just arguing Spring 2017 vs. Fall 2017 because of all the snow.
As for all the references to "months" and everything feeling fresh and recent... ALL the Netflix shows operate like this. Jessica Jones season 2 is over two years after season 1 and roughly six months after Defenders, but everything is treated as super recent. Iron Fist season 2 is like a year and a half after season 1, but not much has changed and Davos still hasn't made a move. Luke Cage 2 is damn near a year after Defenders but they all act like it wasn't that long ago and Misty hasn't received her prosthetic arm for some reason.
I don't know why they operate like that, but they do.
As for all the references to "months" and everything feeling fresh and recent... ALL the Netflix shows operate like this. Jessica Jones season 2 is over two years after season 1 and roughly six months after Defenders, but everything is treated as super recent. Iron Fist season 2 is like a year and a half after season 1, but not much has changed and Davos still hasn't made a move. Luke Cage 2 is damn near a year after Defenders but they all act like it wasn't that long ago and Misty hasn't received her prosthetic arm for some reason.
I don't know why they operate like that, but they do.
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Okay, I'm starting to understand where the disagreement lies. It seems I disagree with more than just DD3 but with much of the Netflix placing past Iron fist. I am about to unload a lot, so just be patient with me hahaha.
Luke Cage/ Daredevil 2- I think we all agree that this happens at the end of 2015 (No matter how confusing DD jump from July to December is), but both show end at the tail end of 2015
Iron Fist- This is where the timeline loses me completely, I think placing this show in June is baffling to me (I'm not being a jerk, it's the only word that expresses me feelings about it haha) because having watched it recently, I'm not sure how we came to this conclusion. Having watched Iron Fist very recently, like, weeks ago, nothing jumped out at me as being in June except one thing and that was Al's phone. Now, Al's phone, to me, is the definition of unreliable evidence. Allow me to set the scene, it's night time, dark out, when Al approaches Danny with a phone. Danny asks him to look up article for him. Now, the first time we see the phone, the time is 10:22 AM...then when Big Al looks the article up (No joke, the article is in his photos folder [Scott Buck...]) the date and time are 9:33 AM on June 8. That is the only evidence I found placing Iron Fist in June.
Also, by placing it there we are ignoring the very obvious Chinese New Year happening in China Town. Now, I am not entirely versed in Chinese culture, and I do not pretend to be completely knowledgable, however after some research there is only one widely celebrated Chinese holiday in June and it is the Chinese Dragon Boat festival, and as you can tell by the name, they are not celebrating a Chinese Dragon Boat Festival. (I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the seeming hypocrisy in acknowledging real world events. I feel as though it is easier to tweak something for creative purposes if that thing is not widely regarded as common information. The election we discussed earlier, the only reason [real world] that the current elections for DA in Manhattan are held on the years they are is because in 1985 they changed the term length from 3 years to 4 years, had that happened a year later, we'd be looking at elections on even years instead of odd years as has been the case recently. These are facts that not many people are aware of or even notice and changing it would only lead to issues and discussion on say...a timeline website. However changing the timing of a holiday is less likely seeing as it's pretty much commonplace where these holidays take place. You can't put Christmas in October because these holidays are so engraved into our minds that we would feel something to be off. To summarize, only Sith deal in absolutes.)
I've also seen a few references to the clothes and the weather and such which is interesting but not always super reliable. Like in one scene there are trees kind of in bloom and then in another scene there is nothing but dead leafless trees so, eh. Then people clothing changes so sporadically that I have no clue what to think of it. Like it the first episode Danny meets Colleen and everyone is wearing coats, scarfs, jackets, etc, but then we go into the celebration later that night and people are wearing short sleeves, but some of them still have jackets, but some of them don't so...again...eh? It just feels a little risky to trust any of that information given, you know, how much Scott Buck cares...(See: INTERNET ARTICLE IN PHOTOS FOLDER AT A PITCH BLACK NINE OR TEN AM)
So, where I would wind up putting Iron Fist based off it's obvious inclusion of the Chinese New Years Eve celebration is either in Mid January or Mid February (I personally think Mid January is cleaner and keeps everything sort of nicely packed together)
Iron Fist- January 2016- February 2016
(This is a lot of text and I'm sure you are sick of reading it by now. I get that. My fingers hurt typing it, but I'm going to press on because as weird as it is, I am actually having a really good time here. But feel free to grab a snack and take a short break because there is still a bit to go.)
The Defenders- So, I've actually spent little bit scrounging through the series looking for hints about the series placement and I'm kind of there. So, at the end of Iron Fist Danny is already planning on heading to Kun Lun, and Colleen agrees to go. We aren't given any real passage of time, but given the fact that Colleen doesn't have any more students to tend to (as she states at the end) and Danny has an incredible amount of resources. They could leave for that trip the next day if they wanted to. So, going off that assumption that not much time has passed there. The continue their search after Kun Lun for, as Danny says "Months." Now, in the Defenders the costuming is a bit more consistent. There's a lot of winter-esque wear. The environment is a little less reliable such as trees and such like that. As some times they are leafless and sometimes they aren't (Which is usually just a side effect of filming schedules and such, which is why I find it to be a bit unreliable.)
Now, also in the first episode of Defenders Misty talks about all the kids who have wound up dead in Harlem, something Luke wasn't aware of, so it must have picked up steam once he was locked up. When he asks how many she tells him "several in the past few months" which lines up with where I'm thinking to put this. Danny also makes some comments about Rand and the Hand (Ha.) doing business together "last year" but that feels like non factor info that Danny could have come across later. Other than that, not much is indicated through the show. Matt gave up Daredevil which given any of the stuff we know about him as a character I don't believe he could go that long without slipping the costume back on. Jessica hasn't been working, and people are trying to get the story of Kilgrave out of her, which, eh, it seems a bit late, but then again it's an unsolved story about a mind controller in New York, I could see papers still trying to get the scoop. Luke's in jail...so...that's an easy sell. And Danny has been tracking the Hand across the globe with his limitless resources for "months."
Overall without any specific dialog to question it. I'd wind up putting the Defenders around Late March/Early April. The weather would line up, the clothing would line up and it would explain all that freaking rain. Seriously. It is raining ALL THE TIME in Defenders.
Also, Jessica Henwick stated that The Defenders happens "a month" after the end of Iron Fist, so the less time between those two shows the better.
The Defenders- March 2016/Very Early April 2016
(Here is your second chance for an intermission, I know I'm taking one.)
Daredevil 3- The most recent one on the list, we have already explained this one a bit already, so based off of what I have said you probably know I'm going to place it in 2016, but here's a recap as to why.
Lines: Matt to Foggy: "I've had a rough couple of months" Fisk to Felix: "You protected her two years. You kept Vanessa safe when I couldn't." Lanthom to Matt: "Elektra passed, months ago, we had a funeral for her." Cab driver: "It's starting to get cold"
Matt: Matt didn't spend a year in a church recovering as the current timeline insinuates. I just can't be convinced of that. Karen: Admittedly Matt's apartment is cheap, but not cheap enough that Karen can maintain both for a year's time.
Foggy: Foggy is still in a fresh stage of mourning, I know it was brought up that all of the Netflix shows work like this, but those examples weren't completely compelling. Jessica Jones barely acknowledges the events of The Defenders, I think it's twice that it is even referenced and it's always reactionary on her part. I was under the impression that Davos was in fact looking for a bunch of the world's rarest materials in order to accomplish a ritual which is even more rare, so that being said, a year is quite impressive on his part. And then Luke Cage I wouldn't say treats everything as recent, the only reference to Matt is done by Claire to make a point to Luke, and yes, as it does suck that it took a while to get the arm to Misty, there are many factors at play here. Was Misty open to the idea, was the tech at a stage that was ready for testing, had any one thought to go to Rand find a prosthetic mechanical arm and give it to her? We don't know.
The bigger argument seems to be the election, and I get it, based on real world events the election for this took place on an odd year, and where this timeline places everything, I get it, and it makes sense. But with this proposal it shifts everything a bit, making it okay for that election to be happening in November, just like you want it to, but in 2016 instead.
So, I would wind up placing Daredevil 3 as some happening after Defenders, and the bulk happening late October 2016, which is still a bit long for him to chillin, but he had a building fall on him. I just feel like a year is asking too much, where as this six month approach just seems to fit a bit better with where everyone is at and it allows Karen to show up for something else.
Daredevil 3- Late October 2016
The Punisher: Now, this one is a bit loose, as I haven't seen The Punisher but once and it was the first time I saw it, however, I do remember it taking place very much around Thanksgiving, which is obviously around late October to November. I think if I were to sit down and really look at it, I think there is a way to determine and discover a bit of an overlap between Punisher and Daredevil 3. My pitch for this would be that all of Karen's stuff in the Punisher happens just a bit before Matt reveals himself to Foggy. Maintaining Karen still coping with his death while also keeping DD3 and Punisher in the obviously insinuated 2016. I know it feels like a weak argument, but I feel like if I sat down with it, and really researched the point, I could find something. Plus, if I remember he takes down all the cartels and then there is a six month leap. Unfortunately we don't know how long it took to round up everyone and take them out, but I'm willing to say a couple of months on that front. Just because if we went six months between December/January to Juneish. That is clearly not right, so clearly some time needs to pass in that opening montage.
The Punisher- mostly October/November 2016
The rest of the shows sort of fall into obvious places, with Jessica Jones being the outlier as she doesn't do much interacting in her story. I remember a date on a laptop putting it *I think* in early May, but I vividly remember the year being 2017 because I posted it on the last forum, so it could kick off around Aprilish of that year. I also don't think Foggy being in this would matter as I've touched on before, it's going to take a bit to build a firm that is making profit, if they even decided to pursue it at all.
Jessica Jones 2, Luke Cage 2 and Iron Fist 2's placements I think are pretty dead on and I have no disagreement with those. Thanks for reading, I know it's a lot of information to take in, and I know it's a lot of change being pitched, but I just wanted to articulate actual reasoning for what I'm saying instead of just throwing out a point without explanation. I truly do have a good time discussing things like this, and I hope everybody here feels the same.
Luke Cage/ Daredevil 2- I think we all agree that this happens at the end of 2015 (No matter how confusing DD jump from July to December is), but both show end at the tail end of 2015
Iron Fist- This is where the timeline loses me completely, I think placing this show in June is baffling to me (I'm not being a jerk, it's the only word that expresses me feelings about it haha) because having watched it recently, I'm not sure how we came to this conclusion. Having watched Iron Fist very recently, like, weeks ago, nothing jumped out at me as being in June except one thing and that was Al's phone. Now, Al's phone, to me, is the definition of unreliable evidence. Allow me to set the scene, it's night time, dark out, when Al approaches Danny with a phone. Danny asks him to look up article for him. Now, the first time we see the phone, the time is 10:22 AM...then when Big Al looks the article up (No joke, the article is in his photos folder [Scott Buck...]) the date and time are 9:33 AM on June 8. That is the only evidence I found placing Iron Fist in June.
Also, by placing it there we are ignoring the very obvious Chinese New Year happening in China Town. Now, I am not entirely versed in Chinese culture, and I do not pretend to be completely knowledgable, however after some research there is only one widely celebrated Chinese holiday in June and it is the Chinese Dragon Boat festival, and as you can tell by the name, they are not celebrating a Chinese Dragon Boat Festival. (I would like to take a moment to acknowledge the seeming hypocrisy in acknowledging real world events. I feel as though it is easier to tweak something for creative purposes if that thing is not widely regarded as common information. The election we discussed earlier, the only reason [real world] that the current elections for DA in Manhattan are held on the years they are is because in 1985 they changed the term length from 3 years to 4 years, had that happened a year later, we'd be looking at elections on even years instead of odd years as has been the case recently. These are facts that not many people are aware of or even notice and changing it would only lead to issues and discussion on say...a timeline website. However changing the timing of a holiday is less likely seeing as it's pretty much commonplace where these holidays take place. You can't put Christmas in October because these holidays are so engraved into our minds that we would feel something to be off. To summarize, only Sith deal in absolutes.)
I've also seen a few references to the clothes and the weather and such which is interesting but not always super reliable. Like in one scene there are trees kind of in bloom and then in another scene there is nothing but dead leafless trees so, eh. Then people clothing changes so sporadically that I have no clue what to think of it. Like it the first episode Danny meets Colleen and everyone is wearing coats, scarfs, jackets, etc, but then we go into the celebration later that night and people are wearing short sleeves, but some of them still have jackets, but some of them don't so...again...eh? It just feels a little risky to trust any of that information given, you know, how much Scott Buck cares...(See: INTERNET ARTICLE IN PHOTOS FOLDER AT A PITCH BLACK NINE OR TEN AM)
So, where I would wind up putting Iron Fist based off it's obvious inclusion of the Chinese New Years Eve celebration is either in Mid January or Mid February (I personally think Mid January is cleaner and keeps everything sort of nicely packed together)
Iron Fist- January 2016- February 2016
(This is a lot of text and I'm sure you are sick of reading it by now. I get that. My fingers hurt typing it, but I'm going to press on because as weird as it is, I am actually having a really good time here. But feel free to grab a snack and take a short break because there is still a bit to go.)
The Defenders- So, I've actually spent little bit scrounging through the series looking for hints about the series placement and I'm kind of there. So, at the end of Iron Fist Danny is already planning on heading to Kun Lun, and Colleen agrees to go. We aren't given any real passage of time, but given the fact that Colleen doesn't have any more students to tend to (as she states at the end) and Danny has an incredible amount of resources. They could leave for that trip the next day if they wanted to. So, going off that assumption that not much time has passed there. The continue their search after Kun Lun for, as Danny says "Months." Now, in the Defenders the costuming is a bit more consistent. There's a lot of winter-esque wear. The environment is a little less reliable such as trees and such like that. As some times they are leafless and sometimes they aren't (Which is usually just a side effect of filming schedules and such, which is why I find it to be a bit unreliable.)
Now, also in the first episode of Defenders Misty talks about all the kids who have wound up dead in Harlem, something Luke wasn't aware of, so it must have picked up steam once he was locked up. When he asks how many she tells him "several in the past few months" which lines up with where I'm thinking to put this. Danny also makes some comments about Rand and the Hand (Ha.) doing business together "last year" but that feels like non factor info that Danny could have come across later. Other than that, not much is indicated through the show. Matt gave up Daredevil which given any of the stuff we know about him as a character I don't believe he could go that long without slipping the costume back on. Jessica hasn't been working, and people are trying to get the story of Kilgrave out of her, which, eh, it seems a bit late, but then again it's an unsolved story about a mind controller in New York, I could see papers still trying to get the scoop. Luke's in jail...so...that's an easy sell. And Danny has been tracking the Hand across the globe with his limitless resources for "months."
Overall without any specific dialog to question it. I'd wind up putting the Defenders around Late March/Early April. The weather would line up, the clothing would line up and it would explain all that freaking rain. Seriously. It is raining ALL THE TIME in Defenders.
Also, Jessica Henwick stated that The Defenders happens "a month" after the end of Iron Fist, so the less time between those two shows the better.
The Defenders- March 2016/Very Early April 2016
(Here is your second chance for an intermission, I know I'm taking one.)
Daredevil 3- The most recent one on the list, we have already explained this one a bit already, so based off of what I have said you probably know I'm going to place it in 2016, but here's a recap as to why.
Lines: Matt to Foggy: "I've had a rough couple of months" Fisk to Felix: "You protected her two years. You kept Vanessa safe when I couldn't." Lanthom to Matt: "Elektra passed, months ago, we had a funeral for her." Cab driver: "It's starting to get cold"
Matt: Matt didn't spend a year in a church recovering as the current timeline insinuates. I just can't be convinced of that. Karen: Admittedly Matt's apartment is cheap, but not cheap enough that Karen can maintain both for a year's time.
Foggy: Foggy is still in a fresh stage of mourning, I know it was brought up that all of the Netflix shows work like this, but those examples weren't completely compelling. Jessica Jones barely acknowledges the events of The Defenders, I think it's twice that it is even referenced and it's always reactionary on her part. I was under the impression that Davos was in fact looking for a bunch of the world's rarest materials in order to accomplish a ritual which is even more rare, so that being said, a year is quite impressive on his part. And then Luke Cage I wouldn't say treats everything as recent, the only reference to Matt is done by Claire to make a point to Luke, and yes, as it does suck that it took a while to get the arm to Misty, there are many factors at play here. Was Misty open to the idea, was the tech at a stage that was ready for testing, had any one thought to go to Rand find a prosthetic mechanical arm and give it to her? We don't know.
The bigger argument seems to be the election, and I get it, based on real world events the election for this took place on an odd year, and where this timeline places everything, I get it, and it makes sense. But with this proposal it shifts everything a bit, making it okay for that election to be happening in November, just like you want it to, but in 2016 instead.
So, I would wind up placing Daredevil 3 as some happening after Defenders, and the bulk happening late October 2016, which is still a bit long for him to chillin, but he had a building fall on him. I just feel like a year is asking too much, where as this six month approach just seems to fit a bit better with where everyone is at and it allows Karen to show up for something else.
Daredevil 3- Late October 2016
The Punisher: Now, this one is a bit loose, as I haven't seen The Punisher but once and it was the first time I saw it, however, I do remember it taking place very much around Thanksgiving, which is obviously around late October to November. I think if I were to sit down and really look at it, I think there is a way to determine and discover a bit of an overlap between Punisher and Daredevil 3. My pitch for this would be that all of Karen's stuff in the Punisher happens just a bit before Matt reveals himself to Foggy. Maintaining Karen still coping with his death while also keeping DD3 and Punisher in the obviously insinuated 2016. I know it feels like a weak argument, but I feel like if I sat down with it, and really researched the point, I could find something. Plus, if I remember he takes down all the cartels and then there is a six month leap. Unfortunately we don't know how long it took to round up everyone and take them out, but I'm willing to say a couple of months on that front. Just because if we went six months between December/January to Juneish. That is clearly not right, so clearly some time needs to pass in that opening montage.
The Punisher- mostly October/November 2016
The rest of the shows sort of fall into obvious places, with Jessica Jones being the outlier as she doesn't do much interacting in her story. I remember a date on a laptop putting it *I think* in early May, but I vividly remember the year being 2017 because I posted it on the last forum, so it could kick off around Aprilish of that year. I also don't think Foggy being in this would matter as I've touched on before, it's going to take a bit to build a firm that is making profit, if they even decided to pursue it at all.
Jessica Jones 2, Luke Cage 2 and Iron Fist 2's placements I think are pretty dead on and I have no disagreement with those. Thanks for reading, I know it's a lot of information to take in, and I know it's a lot of change being pitched, but I just wanted to articulate actual reasoning for what I'm saying instead of just throwing out a point without explanation. I truly do have a good time discussing things like this, and I hope everybody here feels the same.
In episode 7, at 42 minutes, someone's phone says it is July 11.
