Alien vs. Predator - Timeline

[Pro Bot]

Also, IIRC, the original Alien comics were intended as a sequel to Aliens before Alien 3 killed Ripley, Hicks and Newt off, hence why they changed Hicks and Newt to Wilks and Billie (and I think Ripley was retconned into being a clone?), right?

That is correct.

 

[Pro Bot]

What would you think if I did an alternate timelines section for non-canon comics?

For example:
Alien vs Predator/DC Universe
Batman versus Predator
Batman versus Predator II: Bloodmatch
Superman vs. Aliens
Aliens: Incubation
Batman/Aliens
Batman versus Predator III: Blood Ties
Superman vs. Predator
Green Lantern versus Aliens
JLA versus Predator
Superman versus Aliens II: God War
Batman/Aliens II
Superman and Batman vs. Aliens and Predator

Note: All DC crossover comics are a shared continuity due to references to previous encounters.

Aliens vs Predator vs Terminator Universe
1984 - The Terminator
1987 - Predator
1995 - Terminator 2: Judgement Day
1997 - Predator 2
2122 - Alien
2179 - Aliens: Special Edition
2179 - Alien³: Assembly Cut
2381 - Alien: Resurrection: Special Edition
2381 - Aliens versus Predator versus Terminator

Note: Only films released before the comic can be taken as part of it's standalone continuity - Terminator 3-4 could fit though. Events can be assumed to have occurred the same days as in the prime AVP and Terminator realities I guess. Humans win the war and many years later the Alien films take place. AVPVT is a sequel to Alien: Resurrection.
At that point, I might as well just do a proper Terminator timeline - uh, one of them.

The Judge Dredd, WildC.A.T.s and Buffy the Vampire Slayer crossovers are canon in their respective universes, believe it or not.

 

[Pro Bot]

Alrighty, decided to read some of the older Predator comics from when Dark Horse held the rights (plan to also do the Aliens, AvP and Prometheus comics eventually). Personally, although they rebooted the comic line back in 2013, I feel that unless the older comics contradicted anything in the movies (IE: Prey offering a different origin for Adolini's flintlock pistol as opposed to the Predator: 1718 comic), they should still fit in the overall timeline. For now, here are some placement notes (going by release order of the comics):

Spoiler: Placement notes

Predator (retroactively titled as Predator: Concrete Jungle, not to be confused with the video game of the same name) serves as a sequel to the original film featuring Dutch's older brother John (although we don't learn his first name until Predator: Hunters III). Originally, it was set in the then-near future of 1991, but was retroactively changed to 1989 in Predator: Cold War and future reprints.

Predator: God's Truth (one of the many one-shot Predator stories published in Dark Horse Presents, this one being from DHP #46) is set in August 1926 as mentioned in the narration of the surviving guard.

Predator: Big Game is listed on the AvP wiki's timeline as taking place in 1991 (though TBH, most wiki's contain inaccurate information), yet the events are referenced in Predator: Cold War #2 (which is established as taking place in 1990) by General Phillips as "an incident down in New Mexico". Furthermore, the comic has various flashbacks involving protagonist Enoch throughout his life, notably one in issue 3 that's mentioned as taking place "some three years ago".

As mentioned above, Predator: Cold War takes place in 1990 and acts as a sequel to Predator: Concrete Jungle, while also referencing the events of Predator: Big Game in the second issue. Furthermore, issue 3 opens with flashbacks to Lt. Ligachev arriving at Pumping Station Twelve prior to the present-day events.

I'm going to start adding those comics in one by one, so if you have anything additional to add then I'm all ears for it.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

I'm going to start adding those comics in one by one, so if you have anything additional to add then I'm all ears for it.

Ah. I've been a bit busy with IRL stuff lately, but I'm gonna get back to reading them tomorrow. Expect placement notes for Predator #2 (2022) tomorrow as well.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

I know I said I'd do placements for Predator #2 tomorrow, but what the heck? I ain't got anything better to do tonight.

Spoiler: Placement notes

Issue #2 is entirely set in the present (2056). While there is a bit with Theta looking over CCTV footage of the Predator responsible for killing the Astar employees, there's no visible date to place the footage.

 

[Pro Bot]

The short story "Aliens: Incubation" was eventually continued by Batman/Aliens. Now, is it reasonable to assume the comic occurred in both universes, or that it is non-canon? Because if Batman/Aliens were canon, that opens up a whole can of worms because it is linked to the other DC crossovers (this is the same Batman from Batman versus Predator and JLA/Predator).

For now I'm just gonna say it happens in both universes.

 

[Pro Bot]

That's every single Predator story added. Feel free to correct any mistakes.

Having looked back at Predator: 1718, it can be argued that it is about a different Predator, pistol and human than Greyback, 1715 flintlock pistol and Raphael Adolini. Obviously this wasn't intended to be the case as the pistol in the comic has the same engraving and the pirate says "take it" as his final words, but visuals in comics can be retconed. They never say any names at least.

Whatever the case, movies rank higher than comics in canonicity, so Prey is the true backstory of the Raphael Adolini 1715 flintlock pistol.

 

[Megatron]

What about all the novels, short stories and remaning games?
There is also one last comic book Predator story left "Predator: Xenogenesis"

 

[Pro Bot]

I'll add what I can add, let's just say that. At the least, all the comics will be added. Eventually. I'll add the other games too I suppose.

That comic is part of an event crossing over with Aliens and AVP. I was going to add that alongside the Alien and AVP Xenogenesis comics.

 

[Pro Bot]

The Female War comic book doesn't actually mention that Ripley is synthetic unlike the novel. I suppose it's because they would have to heavily alter the book to add in her revelation that she's not the real Ripley, whereas with everything else they can just change the names to fit the canon.

Humanity sure bounced back from almost total annihilation of Earth in 2192 pretty well. They forgot all about it by 2381 because of an event known as the Big Deletion. Apparently Ripley is more important to remember.

To be fair, it is almost 200 years later.

 

[Pro Bot]

I completely missed that Marvel Comics' Predator places Predators in 2010. No idea how that fits with Hunting Grounds, in which Isabelle spent a whole year on the planet being hunted and returned to Earth in 2025, and The Predator supposedly being set prior to that movie according to the director. Maybe time works differently on the Planet Reserve (time dilation)? Ugh, no thanks.

I could also just ignore that comic. It wasn't actually part of the story anyway.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

I completely missed that Marvel Comics' Predator places Predators in 2010. No idea how that fits with Hunting Grounds, in which Isabelle spent a whole year on the planet being hunted and returned to Earth in 2025, and The Predator supposedly being set prior to that movie according to the director. Maybe time works differently on the Planet Reserve (time dilation)? Ugh, no thanks.

I could also just ignore that comic. It wasn't actually part of the story anyway.

Yeah, that "Timeline" for the Marvel Predator comic kinda bothered me when it came to Predators placement. In any case, I completely disregarded it when other entries suggest otherwise.

 

[Pro Bot]

And... this is basically an Earth-94415 timeline...

Aliens/Predator: Deadliest of the Species #5. Of course there has to be a Batman skull as well, which suggests that the DC crossovers are canon to the AVP Comic Universe and that Batman died. Not a fan, tbh.

 

[Megatron]

And... this is basically an Earth-94415 timeline...
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Aliens/Predator: Deadliest of the Species #5. Of course there has to be a Batman skull as well, which suggests that the DC crossovers are canon to the AVP Comic Universe and that Batman died. Not a fan, tbh.

I bet the predatori killed Batman during his "the dark knight returns" phase, no way they killed him in his prime. For Wolverine or he cut Logan every time he regenerate or the predator killed him during his "old man Logan" phase.
Wait but Who Is the skull next to cyclops, seems Skeletor from Masters of the universe.

 

[Pro Bot]

Well, we can only 100% confirm out of these easter eggs Wolverine is dead. We don't actually know the strength of this version of the character, so for all we know he could have been significantly weaker than his Earth-616 counterpart.

As for the rest, you can make technicalities. We don't know Bruce Wayne is dead, just someone wearing a Batman mask. Ok, but it's probably Batman and that makes me a little unhappy since we actually got plenty of stories with this iteration of the Dark Knight only for some ****** off-screen death.

 

[Pro Bot]

My head-canon/theory? It's Hawkeye. I don't have to add DC crossover comics and I don't really care about some random version of Hawkeye who hasn't actually appeared.

I wonder if the Marvel variant covers are canon now?

 

[Megatron]

Well I Guess that all the Marvel/DC crossovers with alien and predator Will be adedd?
Looking at the bright side, there aren't Ester eggs about the crossover with RoboCop and Terminator, that would be a Nightmare.

 

[Pro Bot]

Well I Guess that all the Marvel/DC crossovers with alien and predator Will be adedd?
Looking at the bright side, there aren't Ester eggs about the crossover with RoboCop and Terminator, that would be a Nightmare.

I don't know. I wonder if I can ask the writer or artist if that's supposed to be Batman on twitter or something.

I think that RoboCop/Terminator would fit into the RoboCop timeline without too many problems. I read somewhere that the tie-in website to RoboCop: Prime Directive referenced RoboCop taking down Cyberdyne or something along those lines. We can't confirm it though so it doesn't really matter.

I think I should do a nice, clean Terminator timeline redo that splits each "set of timelines" within a story into different sections. It would reduce the amount of repeating content.

I'd need, like, 20-30 comments to fit each timeline in anyway, lol.

 

[Megatron]

I don't know. I wonder if I can ask the writer or artist if that's supposed to be Batman on twitter or something.

I think that RoboCop/Terminator would fit into the RoboCop timeline without too many problems. I read somewhere that the tie-in website to RoboCop: Prime Directive referenced RoboCop taking down Cyberdyne or something along those lines. We can't confirm it though so it doesn't really matter.

I think I should do a nice, clean Terminator timeline redo that splits each "set of timelines" within a story into different sections. It would reduce the amount of repeating content.

I'd need, like, 20-30 comments to fit each timeline in anyway, lol.

I was talking about their crossover with alien and predator, but anyway I saw a Little teaser about a RoboCop timeline in that message

 

[Pro Bot]

Oh, I'm not working on a RoboCop timeline, haha.

The AVPVT timeline is quite easy.

1984 - The Terminator
1987 - Predator
1995 - Terminator 2: Judgment Day
1997 - Predator 2
1997 - Judgment Day occurs
2029 - Judgment Day scenes
2122 - Alien
2179 - Aliens
2179 - Alien³
2381 - Alien: Resurrection
2381 - Aliens versus Predator versus The Terminator #1-4

 

[Pro Bot]

Still going with 2010 for Predators, huh? Hmm...

 

[Pro Bot]

There's an Alien: Isolation save point in the new movie. I assume that implies it occurs between Alien and Aliens likely.

 

[Megatron]

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Still going with 2010 for Predators, huh? Hmm...

What's this?

 

[Pro Bot]

What's this?

Marvel's Predator comic series.

 

[Pro Bot]

I'm assuming Space-Time/Time Dilation nonsense to explain how Isabelle found herself on Earth 15 years after Predators occurs, and I guess Shane Black's timeline of Predators being post-2018 is just wrong.

 

[Pro Bot]

You know, maybe I should split this into two timelines.
Earth-94415 - Dark Horse Expanded Universe
-1988-2013 comics (+Predator: Hunters I-III)
-No Prometheus, Alien: Covenant or Prey

AVP Marvel Canon Universe
-2014-2023 comics
-Prometheus, Alien: Covenant and Prey included

I think that'd fix a few inconsistencies and 1918 would still be "canon" to something at least.

 

[Megatron]

If We count It as a retcon It could work?

P.S. I will miss the older timeline, one of the earliest I saw on this site.

 

[Pro Bot]

It's not just that. Different Engineers/Space Jockey origins/appearances, Earth being completely normal in Marvel's Alien comics following a planet-wide Xenomorph takeover in the Dark Horse Universe, Marvel contradicting the aftermath of Hadley's Hope portrayed in Aliens: Colonial Marines, a franchise consultant says that pre-2014 Alien comics aren't canon, stuff like that.

 

[Megatron]

the Novels and short stories in which of the 2 universes go?

 

[Pro Bot]

Predator Vol. 2 suggests that humans are put into status for the Game Reserve Planet, so it stands within reason that Isabelle could have been in status while travelling back perhaps? Hmm...

Also, comic claims OWLF/Stargazer encountered the Yautja three times. 1987, 1997 and 2018.