Batman Anthology - Timeline (Outdated)

[Megatron]

List of Pre-crisis universes that survived the Crisis, that weren't shown in the CW event, Earth-77 isn't among them, so if We have to Belive that Linda Carter's Wonder Woman Is still out there, the only way Is to have the show be set in Earth-66 of post-crisis.

 

[Pro Bot]

Or, it's part of the Post-Crisis Earth-76 (not 77). They confirmed all the Earths that were based on established DC films and shows were restored.

By the way, wasn't Batman '89 "confirmed" to be part of the Live-Action Multiverse by Sam Hamm when he joked about Earth-97 (semi-official number)? So, if we're saying that Batman '89 and Superman '78 are part of Earth-789 then it would still imply they co-exist in two separate multiverses somehow.

I almost feel like putting it to a vote with this whole ordeal. It's not got a proper "true" answer, and until some more clear confirmation, it's Schrödinger's Canon. Both answers could be true. Though, it seems logical that the Burtonverse is always the Burtonverse regardless of the medium... but then we have to account for other "non-Burtonverse" lore. No matter what we're making an assumption or a head-canon or something.

The best you can have is that maybe Dark Crisis confirmed Superman '78 and Batman '89 are part of Earth-789, and Sam Hamm "confirmed" Batman '89 is Earth-89. But, then Superman '78 is stated to have a different Bruce Wayne and is set between Superman II and Superman III. This retcons it to be post-Superman IV and set in 1989, with the West/Keaton amalgam Bruce Wayne canonically being Keaton.

Then we have The Flash movie where Zod and Supergirl in Earth-89 are different. To be fair, it might be a Flashpoint Earth-1 where other timelines have been incorporated into it like the original Flashpoint. Grifter was already part of the Flashpoint timeline before WildStorm merged into the New 52 Universe, for example. In that case, an alternate version of Keaton's Batman history would be part of that reality rather than our Keaton, which opens up a whole new can of worms.

The Batman/Superman Anthology films have been retconned, like, 5 times now lol. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

 

[Jack Wayne]

I could trying to find it but they could be gone as it has been a good 15 year ago.

I found nothing

 

[Megatron]

I honestly don't know, since DC can't really leave out the 2 anthologies, I honeslty liked better how they were before, anyway for what I know accordinly to the arrowverse wiki and other sources these are the earths in the new multiverse:

Earth-Prime [Arrowverse]
Earth-1 [DCEU]
Earth-2 [Stargirl/The Batman]
Earth-9 [Titans]
Earth-12 [Green Lantern]
Earth-19 [Swamp Thing]
Earth-21 [Doom Patrol]
Earth-66 [Batman/Wonder Woman (?)]
Earth-89/789 (?) [A Lot of Things]
Earth-96 [Returns]
Earth-167 [Smallville]
Earth-203 [Birds of Prey]
Earth-666 [Lucifer]
Earth-4125 [Arrowverse Related]
Inverse World [Arrowverse Related]
Earth-TUD25 [Superman & Lois]
Earth-TUD26 [Naomi (?)]
Earth-TUD27 [The Sandman (?)]
Earth-TUD28 [Gotham Knights (?)]

 

[Jack Wayne]

Or, it's part of the Post-Crisis Earth-76 (not 77). They confirmed all the Earths that were based on established DC films and shows were restored.

By the way, wasn't Batman '89 "confirmed" to be part of the Live-Action Multiverse by Sam Hamm when he joked about Earth-97 (semi-official number)? So, if we're saying that Batman '89 and Superman '78 are part of Earth-789 then it would still imply they co-exist in two separate multiverses somehow.

I almost feel like putting it to a vote with this whole ordeal. It's not got a proper "true" answer, and until some more clear confirmation, it's Schrödinger's Canon. Both answers could be true. Though, it seems logical that the Burtonverse is always the Burtonverse regardless of the medium... but then we have to account for other "non-Burtonverse" lore. No matter what we're making an assumption or a head-canon or something.

The best you can have is that maybe Dark Crisis confirmed Superman '78 and Batman '89 are part of Earth-789, and Sam Hamm "confirmed" Batman '89 is Earth-89. But, then Superman '78 is stated to have a different Bruce Wayne and is set between Superman II and Superman III. This retcons it to be post-Superman IV and set in 1989, with the West/Keaton amalgam Bruce Wayne canonically being Keaton.

Then we have The Flash movie where Zod and Supergirl in Earth-89 are different. To be fair, it might be a Flashpoint Earth-1 where other timelines have been incorporated into it like the original Flashpoint. Grifter was already part of the Flashpoint timeline before WildStorm merged into the New 52 Universe, for example. In that case, an alternate version of Keaton's Batman history would be part of that reality rather than our Keaton, which opens up a whole new can of worms.

The Batman/Superman Anthology films have been retconned, like, 5 times now lol. It's getting a bit ridiculous.

Exactly, I think it should go to a vote.
But you know it's not ridiculous?
The Dark Knight trilogy on earth 96
:

 

[Jack Wayne]

Honestamente, no lo sé, dado que DC realmente no puede dejar de lado las 2 antologías, honestamente me gustaba más cómo eran antes, de todos modos, por lo que sé de acuerdo con el wiki de arrowverse y otras fuentes, estas son las tierras en el nuevo multiverso:

Tierra-Prime [Arrowverse]
Tierra-1 [DCEU]
Tierra-2 [Niña estrella/Batman]
Tierra-9 [Titanes]
Tierra-12 [Linterna Verde]
Tierra-19 [Cosa del Pantano]
Tierra-21 [Patrulla Condenada]
Tierra-66 [Batman/Mujer Maravilla (?)]
Tierra-89/789 (?) [Muchas cosas]
Tierra-96 [Devoluciones]
Tierra-167 [Smallville]
Tierra-203 [Aves de presa]
Tierra-666 [Lucifer]
Earth-4125 [Relacionado con Arrowverse]
Mundo inverso [Arrowverse relacionado]
Tierra-TUD25 [Superman y Lois]
Tierra-TUD26 [Naomi (?)]
Tierra-TUD27 [El hombre de arena (?)]
Tierra-TUD28 [Caballeros de Gotham (?)]

EARTH-96 the dark knight trilogy and superman returns

 

[Megatron]

EARTH-96 the dark knight trilogy and superman returns

It's confirmed?

 

[Jozaca]

I honestly don't know, since DC can't really leave out the 2 anthologies, I honeslty liked better how they were before, anyway for what I know accordinly to the arrowverse wiki and other sources these are the earths in the new multiverse:

Earth-Prime [Arrowverse]
Earth-1 [DCEU]
Earth-2 [Stargirl/The Batman]
Earth-9 [Titans]
Earth-12 [Green Lantern]
Earth-19 [Swamp Thing]
Earth-21 [Doom Patrol]
Earth-66 [Batman/Wonder Woman (?)]
Earth-89/789 (?) [A Lot of Things]
Earth-96 [Returns]
Earth-167 [Smallville]
Earth-203 [Birds of Prey]
Earth-666 [Lucifer]
Earth-4125 [Arrowverse Related]
Inverse World [Arrowverse Related]
Earth-TUD25 [Superman & Lois]
Earth-TUD26 [Naomi (?)]
Earth-TUD27 [The Sandman (?)]
Earth-TUD28 [Gotham Knights (?)]

Earth-F?

 

[Megatron]

Earth-F?

Pre-Crisis

 

[Pro Bot]

Bare bones DC Multiverse:

Earth-1 - DC Extended Universe
Earth-2 - Stargirl (The Batman?)
Earth-9 - Titans
Earth-12 - Green Lantern
Earth-19 - Swamp Thing
Earth-21 - Doom Patrol
Earth-66 - Batman '66/The Green Hornet
Earth-76 - Wonder Woman '75
Earth-89 - Batman '89 (Superman '78?) Earth-789 in Comic Multiverse?
Earth-90 - The Flash '90
Earth-96 - Superman Returns
Earth-97 - Batman '95
Earth-167 - Smallville
Earth-203 - Birds of Prey
Earth-666 - Lucifer
Earth-F - Superman '41
Earth-Prime - Arrowverse
Earth-?? - Harley Quinn
Earth-?? - Superman & Lois
Earth-?? - Naomi
Earth-?? - The Sandman/Dead Boy Detectives

I know Harley Quinn is controversial but we know Earth-F is a cartoon universe in the multiverse. It doesn't bother me since Harley Quinn doesn't connect with any other cartoon worlds, and it was a voice in the multiverse. Just because Teen Titans Go! was a fictional show in a universe in the multiverse does not mean every animated universe shown in the Live-Action Multiverse is fictional.

All worlds were restored Post-Crisis apparently.

 

[Pro Bot]

It's confirmed?

No. It's not canon.

 

[Megatron]

Amazing that with The Flash we are heading to the "New 52" Multiverse and still we don't know how the post-crisis multiverse is organized, Wonderful!!

 

[Jack Wayne]

It's confirmed?

half

 

[Dok]

Are Batman and Batman Returns still canon ti Earth-97 or not at all?

 

[RedStar 4546]

Are Batman and Batman Returns still canon ti Earth-97 or not at all?

Yes .

 

[Pro Bot]

Are Batman and Batman Returns still canon ti Earth-97 or not at all?

Maybe I guess.

 

[Pro Bot]

It's more complicated because are we supposed to assume the events were identical entirely up until 1992 or just those specific movies? I don't know to be honest.

But yeah, Batman Forever is a sequel to Batman Returns.

 

[Jack Wayne]

No. No es canon.

I said HALF

 

[Pro Bot]

That's probably not even Brandon Routh, and even if it is he's definitely not playing Clark Kent.

 

[Jack Wayne]

Probablemente ni siquiera sea Brandon Routh, e incluso si lo es, definitivamente no interpretará a Clark Kent.

BIEN PERO:


Dejando de lado el tema: ¿tienes alguna cronología de las series flash de los 90?

 

[Pro Bot]

GOOD, BUT:
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Leaving aside the subject: do you have any timeline of the flash series of the 90s?

Spoiler: The Flash SPOILERS

George Clooney and Nick Cage, actually.

Yes, I do.

 

[Jack Wayne]

Spoiler: The Flash SPOILERS

George Clooney and Nick Cage, actually.

Yes, I do.

Spoiler: "THE FLASH "

Yes, I thought the same, I think Kilmer would fit better with Dean Cain and then Clooney with Cage.

Do you have a timeline of Steel from 1997? or Jonah Hex from 2010? or the Wonder Woman tv pilot from 2011?
If you have any, could you send them to me? I can't find them

 

[Pro Bot]

Okay, so... this is post-Flash thoughts.

Spoiler

Earth-1 (Post-Flashpoint):
2022 - The Flash
2023 - Blue Beatle (?)
2023 - Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
Future DCU Projects (?)

Earth-89 (if Donnerverse + Burtonverse):
1978 - Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
1979 - Superman II
1980 - Superman III
1984 - Supergirl: Director's Cut
1985 - Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
1989 - Superman '78 #1-6
1989 - Batman
1992 - Batman Returns
1993 - Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me"
1993 - Batman '89 #1-6
1994 - Batman Vol. 3 #135
1994 - Dark Crisis: Big Bang
2004 - Catwoman
2013 - The Flash (Flashpoint Timeline + '78 Universe)
2019 - Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 1" (Pre-Crisis)

Earth-89 (If Burtonverse Only):
1989 - Batman
1992 - Batman Returns
1993 - Batman '89 #1-6
2004 - Catwoman
2013 - The Flash (Flashpoint Timeline)
2019 - Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 1" (Pre-Crisis)

Earth-97
1995 - Batman Forever
1997 - Batman & Robin

Donnerverse (If Donnerverse Only):
1978 - Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
1979 - Superman II
1979 - Superman '78 #1-6
1980 - Superman III
1984 - Supergirl: Director's Cut
1985 - Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
2013 - The Flash

 

[Jack Wayne]

Okay, so... this is post-Flash thoughts.

Spoiler

Earth-1 (Post-Flashpoint):
2022 - The Flash
2023 - Blue Beatle (?)
2023 - Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
Future DCU Projects (?)

Earth-89 (if Donnerverse + Burtonverse):
1978 - Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
1979 - Superman II
1980 - Superman III
1984 - Supergirl: Director's Cut
1985 - Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
1989 - Superman '78 #1-6
1989 - Batman
1992 - Batman Returns
1993 - Catwoman 80th Anniversary, "Now You See Me"
1993 - Batman '89 #1-6
1994 - Batman Vol. 3 #135
1994 - Dark Crisis: Big Bang
2004 - Catwoman
2013 - The Flash (Flashpoint Timeline + '78 Universe)
2019 - Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 1" (Pre-Crisis)

Earth-89 (If Burtonverse Only):
1989 - Batman
1992 - Batman Returns
1993 - Batman '89 #1-6
2004 - Catwoman
2013 - The Flash (Flashpoint Timeline)
2019 - Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part 1" (Pre-Crisis)

Earth-97
1995 - Batman Forever
1997 - Batman & Robin

Donnerverse (If Donnerverse Only):
1978 - Superman: The Movie: Extended Cut
1979 - Superman II
1979 - Superman '78 #1-6
1980 - Superman III
1984 - Supergirl: Director's Cut
1985 - Superman IV: The Quest for Peace
2013 - The Flash

it sounds pretty accurate
but what about Nolanverse and Singerverse?
put them together

 

[Pro Bot]

There's nothing linking those universes, bro.

 

[Pro Bot]

Using the Wayne death newspaper as a guide, Thursday October 19 matches with a few dates that seem reasonable, and deducting 8 years because he was 8 years old in the Burtonverse.

Barry says Keaton is older than his Batman, which means that Earth-89's Batman is older in 2013 than Earth-1's Batman in 2022.

That means his parents died in 1961, because 1961 matches with the newspaper, deducting 8 years gives us 1953, which is the closest to Keaton's birthday in real life.

1953 Birthday (Earth-89)
1953 + 8 = 1961 (Parents Death)
1953 + 36 = 1989 (Batman)
1953 + 39 = 1992 (Batman Returns)
1953 + 60 = 2013 (The Flash)

1972 Birthday (Earth-1)
1972 + 43 = 2015 (Batman v Superman)
1972 + 44 = 2016 (Suicide Squad)
1972 + 45 = 2017 (Justice League)
1972 + 50 = 2022 (The Flash)

Presumably, Earth-97's Bruce Wayne has the same birthday.

 

[Pro Bot]

Spoiler

I just had a thought

Earth-1 + Earth-89 = Flashpoint Timeline

Flashpoint Timeline Erased = Earth-1 with George Clooney
Flashpoint Timeline Erased = Earth-89 with... what?

What happens to the Burtonverse after The Flash? More changes? Or, since Barry's timeline is the originator, did it get restored the exact same?

 

[Avilos]

Spoiler

once the Dark Flash was prevented we saw two of the time spheres(?) separate and restored. Each sphere seems to represent past, present and future. Not just a specific Earth but whole universe. Obvious example different Krypton, etc.

To use the Spaghetti metaphor maybe Clooney was a smaller noodle strand tangled within. Because moving the tomato can had a delayed effect. Only revealed at his Father's present pay court hearing. More smaller than his Mother living. She still was murdered and his father was still in prison until cleared.

Back to the point of restoring and correcting history, one of the biggest complaints is that the altered timeline with 89 Batman and Supergirl was doomed to be terraforming by Zod. People are missing the fact that was only before Barry excepted that he needed to undo saving his Mom. Once 18 year old Barry sacrifices himself... Dark Flash is erased from existence. Even though the movie says the rules of Back to Future are not true... we ultimately see it partially is right. Once Barry restores his Mom's death that timeline never existed. 89 Batman is back alive in his native timeline. That his last words to Barry was maybe they would see each other in "another time" seem to suggest he knew they had been approaching fix things the wrong way. In fact he was trying to tell Barry That the whole time. Obviously Kara would be alive if she was born in this timeline or exists in others.

At this point Clooney's Bruce is an anomaly from altering things to free his Dad. Months ago James Gunn said a Multiverse movie was in development. We likely will not get a "Flash 2" but we very possibly will see some of these characters and ideas explored more. [/SPOILERS]

 

[Jack Wayne]

Usando el periódico de la muerte de Wayne como guía, el jueves 19 de octubre coincide con algunas fechas que parecen razonables, y deduciendo 8 años porque tenía 8 años en el Burtonverse.

Barry dice que Keaton es mayor que su Batman, lo que significa que el Batman de Earth-89 es mayor en 2013 que el Batman de Earth-1 en 2022.

Eso significa que sus padres murieron en 1961, porque 1961 coincide con el periódico, deduciendo 8 años nos da 1953, que es lo más cercano al cumpleaños de Keaton en la vida real.

1953 Cumpleaños (Tierra-89)
1953 + 8 = 1961 (Muerte de los padres)
1953 + 36 = 1989 (Batman)
1953 + 39 = 1992 (Batman regresa)
1953 + 60 = 2013 (Flash)

1972 Cumpleaños (Tierra-1)
1972 + 43 = 2015 (Batman contra Superman)
1972 + 44 = 2016 (Escuadrón Suicida)
1972 + 45 = 2017 (Liga de la Justicia)
1972 + 50 = 2022 (Flash)

Presumiblemente, Bruce Wayne de Earth-97 tiene el mismo cumpleaños.

Hermano Battfleck nacido en 1974
En BvS Alfred le dice que desde los 7 años ha alardeado de decepción como Mossart con el clavicémbalo, haciendo referencia a que los Waynes están muertos, ya que sabemos que Thomas y Martha Wayne murieron en 1981.
Estuve buscando pero no encontré ningún libro o novelización que indique que Battfleck nació en 1972, solo un artículo de screenrant sin citar ninguna fuente de por qué tiene esa edad.

 

[Jack Wayne]

Usando el periódico de la muerte de Wayne como guía, el jueves 19 de octubre coincide con algunas fechas que parecen razonables, y deduciendo 8 años porque tenía 8 años en el Burtonverse.

Barry dice que Keaton es mayor que su Batman, lo que significa que el Batman de Earth-89 es mayor en 2013 que el Batman de Earth-1 en 2022.

Eso significa que sus padres aparecieron en 1961, porque 1961 coincidió con el periódico, deduciendo 8 años nos da 1953, que es lo más cercano al cumpleaños de Keaton en la vida real.

1953 Cumpleaños (Tierra-89)
1953 + 8 = 1961 (Muerte de los padres)
1953 + 36 = 1989 (Batman)
1953 + 39 = 1992 (Batman regresa)
1953 + 60 = 2013 (Relámpago)

1972 Cumpleaños (Tierra-1)
1972 + 43 = 2015 (Batman contra Superman)
1972 + 44 = 2016 (Escuadrón Suicida)
1972 + 45 = 2017 (Liga de la Justicia)
1972 + 50 = 2022 (Relámpago)

Presumiblemente, Bruce Wayne de Earth-97 tiene el mismo cumpleaños.

[REVELACION]
¿Por qué el flash está configurado en 2022? Esto sería fácilmente 2021
[/REVELACIÓN]