Marvel's Earth-616 Timeline

[Megatron]

Oh yeah, quick question, but when exactly will Secret Wars (as in the original 1980s event) take place in your timeline?

during Year 7 (1984-1987)

 

[selfishmisery]

I have a question. How does time compression work canonically if the sliding timescale truly is an in-universe phenomenon? Like for example, year 7 started in 1984. But by the end, it's 1987. So does that mean that sometime throughout this "year", the date just changed so that it was 1985, then 86, but from the perspective of the characters, the past year was always 1985 or 1986?

Look at the "Sliding Timescale Year" itself as a not a literal year but a collection of extended years.

 

[Megatron]

I have a question. How does time compression work canonically if the sliding timescale truly is an in-universe phenomenon? Like for example, year 7 started in 1984. But by the end, it's 1987. So does that mean that sometime throughout this "year", the date just changed so that it was 1985, then 86, but from the perspective of the characters, the past year was always 1985 or 1986?

it change as time goes on. Now year 7 is 2014 and always is 2014. When it will change to 2015, it will be 2015 and will always be 2015.

 

[Megatron]

Correct, but I'm talking about when it's actually the year in-universe. Like as of now, year 17 just started. Next year in 2025, will year 17 still be 2024?

next year year 17 will be 2025. And always will be 2025.

 

[Jozaca]

Correct, but I'm talking about when it's actually the year in-universe. Like as of now, year 17 just started. Next year in 2025, will year 17 still be 2024?

I get what you are asking, but it seems that nobody else got your question (I also don't have the answer, tbh).

 

[Megatron]

Even though canonically only a few months have passed between the stories published this year and in 2025, since it's still year 17. So my point is that, each "year" is technically made up of multiple years due to time compression, yes? And canonically, now it's 2024, soon, it'll be 2025, but it's all year 17. Because time is always changing in 616. I'm basically building off of this post right here.

i explained in dept in the intro of this thread. But in short, the year in the timeline are years from our reality, the real world point of view. Basically that 1961 u can see in the timeline isn't actually 1961 from earth-616 point of view.

 

[Megatron]

guys i'm not an expert on Ultimo, but he just had 29 appearences?????

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Ultimo_(Earth-616)

 

[Raylauncher]

https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=269&order_listing=9
He has 26 here, the other 3 are most likely just reprints.

 

[Raylauncher]

Wikia appearance lists can be misleading, as it counts reprints, and if a character appears in multiple stories in the same issue, that is still counted only as one appearance for them.

 

[Raylauncher]

I suggest either use that site I linked, or the Marvel Chronology Project. (or official handbooks, sometimes they have appearance lists, but imo they can be outdated and still just as inacurate as wikia appearances).

 

[BB10]

What's the canon status of Marvel novels?

 

[Megatron]

What's the canon status of Marvel novels?

Idk tbh. 2 of them are Canon to the old ultimate universe.

 

[BB10]

Idk tbh. 2 of them are Canon to the old ultimate universe.

I have three Marvel novels.

Spider-Man Goblin Moon: It has a note saying it takes place in between Amazing Spider-Man #430/Spectacular Spider-Man #252 and Amazing Spider-Man #438/Spectacular Spider-Man #260. But I have yet to read this book. Also, it is co-written by Kurt Busiak.

Iron Man: The Gauntlet: It has a reference to a character named Anna Wei, who apparently appeared in a comic called Iron Man 2001. In this novel, it is revealed that she was assasinates by Mandarin. In the novel's present day, Iron Man uses FRIDAY as his AI assistant, but at the same time, Mandarin is alive. Researching a bit shows that in the modern era, FRIDAY showed up AFTER Mandarin's death. However, in the early 2000s era, both FRIDAY and Mandarin were around, so perhaps, the novel takes place in the 2000s era?

Venom: Lethal Protector: This novel is an adaptation of the comic of the same name. I have only read the first chapter of the novel, which adapts the first few pages of the comic. The only difference between the novel and the comic seems to be that the novel has been updated to the modern setting, but that difference can be chalked up to Marvel's sliding timescale. Also, the novel reveals more information about the background characters. This might be considered canon, but like I said, I only read the first chapter.

 

[ScottishRyzo]

the civil war novel is the only one ive ever looked at and it seems to me just to be 616 civil war post mephisto spidey shenanigans

 

[zuckyd1]

What's the canon status of Marvel novels?

Here is a list of the novels that have been confirmed as canon (mostly through the official handbooks and indices):
Amazing Spider-Man: Mayhem in Manhattan (Amazing Spider-Man #186)
Avengers: The Man Who Stole Tomorrow (Kang handbook entry)
Avengers and the Thunderbolts (Avengers Index, Captain America Index)
Avengers Battle the Earth Wrecker (Earth's Solar System appendix, Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe appendix)
Daredevil: The Cutting Edge (Sister Maggie handbook entry)
Fantastic Four: Countdown to Chaos (Red Ghost handbook entry)
Fantastic Four: Redemption of the Silver Surfer (Tyannanus handbook entry)
Fantastic Four: War Zone (Negative Zone handbook entry)
Fantastic Four: What Lies Between (Psycho-Man handbook entry)
Generation X: Crossroads (Razorback, Trans-Sabal handbook entries)
Hulk and Spider-Man: Murdermoon (Hulk online handbook bibliography)
Incredible Hulk: Cry of the Beast (Hulk online handbook bibliography)
Incredible Hulk: Stalker from the Stars (Gamma Mutates online handbook bibliography, Hulk online handbook bibliography)
Spider-Man: Down These Mean Streets (Blackie Gaxton handbook entry, Amazing Spider-Man Index)
Spider-Man: Drowned in Thunder (Amazing Spider-Man Index)
Spider-Man: Gathering of the Sinister Six (Razorback, Sinister Six, Stilt-Man, White Rabbit handbook entries)
Spider-Man: Revenge of the Sinister Six (Rocket Racer, Sinister Six handbook entries)
Spider-Man: Secret of the Sinister Six (Big Wheel, Mr. Bumpo, Finisher, Hypno-Hustler, Sinister Six handbook entries, Amazing Spider-Man Index)
Spider-Man: The Darkest Hours (Morlun handbook entry, Amazing Spider-Man Index)
X-Men: The Chaos Engine (Corps, Cosmic Cube, Merlyn, Saturnyne, Sat-Yr9 handbook entries, Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe appendix, Uncanny X-Men Index)
X-Men: Shadows of the Past (Quist handbook entry)
X-Men: Soul Killer (Belasco, N'Garai handbook entries, Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe appendix)
X-Men & Spider-Man: Time's Arrow (Black Knight (Sir Percy), Growing Man, Immortus, Iron Man (2020 AD), Kang, Merlyn, Morgan Le Fay, Terminatrix handbook entries)

also the following short stories from anthology collections:
Five Decades of the X-Men: "Up the Hill Backwards" (Pete Wisdom handbook entry)
Ultimate Hulk: "A Quiet, Normal Life" (Nebulon handbook entry)
Ultimate Silver Surfer: "Broken Land" (Blockbusters of the Marvel Universe appendix)
Ultimate Silver Surfer: "What's Yer Poison?" (Mephisto handbook entry)
Ultimate Super-Villains: "Child's Play" (Mephisto handbook entry)
Ultimate Super-Villains: "Private Exhibition" (Painter of 1000 Perils handbook entry)
Ultimate Super-Villains: "To the Victor" (Kang handbook entry)
Untold Tales of Spider-Man: "Poison in the Soul" (Shocker handbook entry)
X-Men Legends: "Diary of a False Man" (Uncanny X-Men Index)

The novels published in the 1990s by Berkley shared an internal continuity via appearances by characters created especially for that series. Therefore one could argue that ALL of them are canon, even though only some of them are listed above.

For a complete listing of Marvel novels (at least through 2009) see here: http://www.marvunapp.com/ohotmu/appendixes/novapp.htm

 

[Raylauncher]

Seems like from next year, Joe Kelly will take over writing ASM from Wells.

 

[BB10]

There is a movie called Meteor Man. Apparently, it has a comic sequel that takes place in 616. I haven't watch the movie or read the comic, but I guess the movie is 616 canon.

 

[Raylauncher]

I would think only the Meteor Man Movie adaptation comic would be canon in this case, no?

 

[BB10]

I would think only the Meteor Man Movie adaptation comic would be canon in this case, no?

I have no idea if the comic clashes with the movie. If it is an adaptation, then probably.

 

[Raylauncher]

I think a similar scenario goes for 2001: A Space Odyssey as well, which also is somewhat canon in 616.

 

[BB10]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-26435
This might be the first instance of a cover being given a reality number.

 

[BB10]

Anyone read the Secret Wars 2015 House of M tie-in? You guys think this is 58163?

It suggests that X-Men existed in the House of M timeline in its original 60s form but was soon disbanded. I thought the original five X-Men were never a team in this reality in the original House of M series, but I guess they never outright said X-Men never existed. If they disbanded early on, then it makes sense that they would not be remembered. It may or may not be that they were formed by the Professor X of this reality though. If it was formed by Professor X, then X-Men battles with Magneto's Brotherhood must have happened prior to Magneto and Professor X's meeting, since the two became allies afterwards.

It would be nice if it is canon, since at least it gives a somewhat proper conclusion to the House of M-verse beyond just a white flashing light altering the world back to 616. The original ending didn't tell us what happened to the 58163 timeline afterwards.

 

[Megatron]

Anyone read the Secret Wars 2015 House of M tie-in? You guys think this is 58163?

It suggests that X-Men existed in the House of M timeline in its original 60s form but was soon disbanded. I thought the original five X-Men were never a team in this reality in the original House of M series, but I guess they never outright said X-Men never existed. If they disbanded early on, then it makes sense that they would not be remembered. It may or may not be that they were formed by the Professor X of this reality though. If it was formed by Professor X, then X-Men battles with Magneto's Brotherhood must have happened prior to Magneto and Professor X's meeting, since the two became allies afterwards.

It would be nice if it is canon, since at least it gives a somewhat proper conclusion to the House of M-verse beyond just a white flashing light altering the world back to 616. The original ending didn't tell us what happened to the 58163 timeline afterwards.

U mean kinda like sentry with the forget him thing?

 

[BB10]

U mean kinda like sentry with the forget him thing?

I meant that they might be like a footnote in history since they didn't stay active for long. Anyways the confirmed X-Men members were the Beast, Jean Grey and Cyclops.

One interesting thing is that Professor X was wearing an X uniform complete with the logo in House of M Civil War, that gives credence to X-Men having had existed in the original series timeline.

 

[Pro Bot]

How does Joker remember Peter Parker in Marvel Versus DC if those events only happened for his Earth-7642 counterpart? (That's Ben Reilly)

Is there another Spider-Man in the main DC Universe or something? Weird.

 

[Jozaca]

How does Joker remember Peter Parker in Marvel Versus DC if those events only happened for his Earth-7642 counterpart? (That's Ben Reilly)
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Is there another Spider-Man in the main DC Universe or something? Weird.

I read somewhere that in the DC versus Marvel crossover it is said that Marvel and DC universes sometimes merge and split without anyone noticing and that it is insinuated that Earth-7642 is just them occasionally approaching until someone splits them again, with Earth-9602 being what would happen if nobody stops the fusion.

 

[Pro Bot]

Earth-7642 also includes Transformers, Attack on Titan and (probably) Predator though.

 

[Jozaca]

I read somewhere that in the DC versus Marvel crossover it is said that Marvel and DC universes sometimes merge and split without anyone noticing and that it is insinuated that Earth-7642 is just them occasionally approaching until someone splits them again, with Earth-9602 being what would happen if nobody stops the fusion.

Apparently in Unlimited Access #1 contains a reference to Batman/Spider-Man #1

 

[Jozaca]

To be honest I am not very fan of realities that are just alternate states of the main reality that cease to be once the history is finished (Flashpoint, House of M, etc.)

 

[LegionAOD]

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Apparently in Unlimited Access #1 contains a reference to Batman/Spider-Man #1

Where did you get the info quoted from? Cheers!