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[BB10]

That's not what it says exactly, though.

These are out-of-context anecdotes written by the poster on the wiki, not quotes from the writer.


Nowhere does it explicitly say that they used the designation of the IDW comics to distance from Bumblebee. That's inferred from a second-hand account. That interpretation is something you might think based on what someone said about what someone else said.

What we see in the comic, more importantly, is:
1. All realities are the same designation as the continuities that they branch from.

2. The Bayverse should, as a result, be a branched timeline from the original continuity.

3. It branches, very specifically, from the events of the Bumblebee movie. This isn't really arguable, it's what the comic literally shows us.

4. The designations are based on medium rather than universe, so really, the "Gamma" part doesn't make it a separate universe to Bumblebee.

I personally just find the reading that it is the same universe as Bumblebee and they're branching off from it more consistent with the story. Even if not, it still implies that the exact same events from Bumblebee were happening no matter what reading you ascribe to it.

Face value based on on-panel stuff and the writer's commentary. The connection between Bay comics and the BB movies lacks that. That is the basic difference between the two. The CJ comic thing can't be equated with what you are saying. Simple as that really.
1.) Because here, the writer didn't think of them as branched timelines but actually changing the timeline according to the TFWiki link from someone that talked to the creators (I said to ignore the timeline changing originally since erasing the entire shows of G1 and Aligned wouldn't really stick, but this was indeed his intention).
4.) Often they use it interchangeably (look up the AVP stuff where they sometimes call streams realities, universes etc.) And in here, the writer did use it to mean realities. Again, the creator already explained his intention here.

I won't address your other points because I basically already addressed them before and I don't wanna be here arguing all day.

 

[BB10]

1.) Because here, the writer didn't think of them as branched timelines but actually changing the timeline according to the TFWiki link from someone that talked to the creators (I said to ignore the timeline changing originally since erasing the entire shows of G1 and Aligned wouldn't really stick, but this was indeed his intention).

And before you say why I am ignoring this and accepting the BB scene taking place in the IDW Bayverse comic universe is because accepting that the entire canon of the G1 cartoon and the Prime cartoon got erased would be over the top, while the BB movie stuff from the CJ comic doesn't harm the canon at all.

 

[Pro Bot]

"There's no connection between Bumblebee and the IDW comics"
"The BB movie stuff-"

So you're saying that the comic intends for the events of Bumblebee to happen in the IDW comic universe before it gets changed due to time travel. We agree then. You just believe that IDW is a branch from Bumblebee.

If Bumblebee wasn't canon, they wouldn't use Bumblebee as a branching off point. The events of Bumblebee are happening here in the IDW comic reality.

 

[BB10]

@Pro Bot

This is what Sabrblade (who attented the event) says.

• Nothing written in this comic affects anything Hasbro is currently working on. These old continuities mean a lot to us fans, but to Hasbro they are considered dead continuities at this point, meaning this comic was able to freely play around with them like this. Back during the Fun Pub years, they couldn't touch the main continuities of the time (save for Animated which they only did in direct collaboration with Marty Isenberg and Derrick J. Wyatt, and only after that cartoon was fully over). But now, "What's it matter at this point?" Current Hasbro doesn't care, so it's whatever.

 

[Megatron]

@Pro Bot

This is what Sabrblade (who attented the event) says.

• Nothing written in this comic affects anything Hasbro is currently working on. These old continuities mean a lot to us fans, but to Hasbro they are considered dead continuities at this point, meaning this comic was able to freely play around with them like this. Back during the Fun Pub years, they couldn't touch the main continuities of the time (save for Animated which they only did in direct collaboration with Marty Isenberg and Derrick J. Wyatt, and only after that cartoon was fully over). But now, "What's it matter at this point?" Current Hasbro doesn't care, so it's whatever.

but it is false.... Like the fun publications had comics set in almost every major continuities.

 

[Pro Bot]

@Pro Bot

This is what Sabrblade (who attented the event) says.

• Nothing written in this comic affects anything Hasbro is currently working on. These old continuities mean a lot to us fans, but to Hasbro they are considered dead continuities at this point, meaning this comic was able to freely play around with them like this. Back during the Fun Pub years, they couldn't touch the main continuities of the time (save for Animated which they only did in direct collaboration with Marty Isenberg and Derrick J. Wyatt, and only after that cartoon was fully over). But now, "What's it matter at this point?" Current Hasbro doesn't care, so it's whatever.

I already quoted that in a previous comment and clarified why I don't think it changes anything.

Does the comic branch from the events of Bumblebee or not? If yes, then Bumblebee is associated with the IDW comics in some form. If not, then why did they take a scene from it, even setting it in the same year, and change the timeline from those events?

You now have to accept that Bumblebee is associated with the IDW comic continuity no matter what way you interpret the story. That, or you ignore the very clear depiction of Bumblebee's events.

 

[BB10]

"There's no connection between Bumblebee and the IDW comics"
"The BB movie stuff-"

So you're saying that the comic intends for the events of Bumblebee to happen in the IDW comic universe before it gets changed due to time travel. We agree then. You just believe that IDW is a branch from Bumblebee.

If Bumblebee wasn't canon, they wouldn't use Bumblebee as a branching off point. The events of Bumblebee are happening here in the IDW comic reality.

Bruh, it is an alternate version of the BB movie explicitly taking place in a Gamma stream instead of Delta. The other ones (from dead continuities) used the exact designation from which their media was from (Uniend Alpha, Primax Alpha etc.).

There is nothing to suggest that the altered timeline can't be the actual IDW Bayverse universe. The reason why the G1 cartoon and the Prime cartoon are different timelines is because they competely changed their respective show's timelines (like Cliffjumper living in Prime). Meanwhile, there is nothing suggesting IDW Bayverse CJ was meant to die in 1987. Opposite in fact, since he was alive in 2007.

Also, even if the creator statement is from a second-hand account, it is still pretty detailed and the same points get reiterated (so, not one offs). Sabrblade was making an account of the event, not talking about his own opinion. He was recording the creator's explanation. Even if he were to subconsciously add his own interpretation into the mix, the amount of detail the account has and the fact that the same point gets reiterated (not touching active continuities part) suggests it is reliable enough to use.

And finally, if nothing else, all this is at least better than the non-existent canon connection between the BB movies and the Bay comics, which remember was your main point in the beginning.

but it is false.... Like the fun publications had comics set in almost every major continuities.

Those were usually alternate versions of those universes (Classics was a What If-verse and Wings Universe was not canon to the cartoon). On the other hand, this comic revealed G1 cartoon CJ's fate (surviving to the end of existence).

 

[Megatron]

Those were usually alternate versions of those universes (Classics was a What If-verse and Wings Universe was not canon to the cartoon). On the other hand, this comic revealed G1 cartoon CJ's fate (surviving to the end of existence).

Classics it's a continuation of Marvel usa, not a what if. Like regeneration One, or Generation 2.

The Wingverse are stories that could happen in the cartoon.

And anyway there's beast world, Animated, the Alligned scripts. Like the majority of the 7 big continuities has been explored by them.

 

[BB10]

Classics it's a continuation of Marvel usa, not a what if. Like regeneration One, or Generation 2.

The Wingverse are stories that could happen in the cartoon.

And anyway there's beast world, Animated, the Alligned scripts. Like the majority of the 7 big continuities has been explored by them.

Classics was a splinter timeline tho. It wasn't meant to be a canon continuation. (According to AVP at least, that would be the G2 comic).

According to Pete Sinclair, Wings Universe is a different reality.

Transformers: Wings Universe - Transformers Wiki

tfwiki.net

"Collectors' Club forum thread in which Pete Sinclair says the Wings of Honor continuity "is VERY similar to the original G1 toon, though it is different enough to allow us some leeway in the overall story telling. [...] Scourge will have always been in his BotCon 2009 body, Hot Rod in his Universe Legends body and so on. As time goes on there will be more subtle, and not so subtle, differences

 

[BB10]

@Megatron But in my opinion, this new comic with G1 cartoon CJ surviving into the end of the universe should be added to the G1 cartoon timeline.

 

[BB10]

I already quoted that in a previous comment and clarified why I don't think it changes anything.

Does the comic branch from the events of Bumblebee or not? If yes, then Bumblebee is associated with the IDW comics in some form. If not, then why did they take a scene from it, even setting it in the same year, and change the timeline from those events?

You now have to accept that Bumblebee is associated with the IDW comic continuity no matter what way you interpret the story. That, or you ignore the very clear depiction of Bumblebee's events.

If you were arguing that some version of the BB movie happens in IDW Bayverse, then yes obviously it does according to this. But I don't think the canon version does. Also, the BB movie comic prequel already implies that a version of the BB movie will happen in that story's future. However, it is not the canon version from the actual movie.

 

[Pro Bot]

If you were arguing that some version of the BB movie happens in IDW Bayverse, then yes obviously it does according to this.

If it was just a version though, why do they look exactly like their Bumblebee versions and not the IDW comics? Why is it set the same year? Seems like it's an explicit tie to Bumblebee to me.

 

[BB10]

If it was just a version though, why do they look exactly like their Bumblebee versions and not the IDW comics? Why is it set the same year? Seems like it's an explicit tie to Bumblebee to me.

I think they were just using the comic continuity as a stand-in for the actual BB movieverse while also not trying to change the currently sort of active canon of the actual movieverse.

 

[Megatron]

Classics was a splinter timeline tho. It wasn't meant to be a canon continuation. (According to AVP at least, that would be the G2 comic).

According to Pete Sinclair, Wings Universe is a different reality.

Transformers: Wings Universe - Transformers Wiki

tfwiki.net

"Collectors' Club forum thread in which Pete Sinclair says the Wings of Honor continuity "is VERY similar to the original G1 toon, though it is different enough to allow us some leeway in the overall story telling. [...] Scourge will have always been in his BotCon 2009 body, Hot Rod in his Universe Legends body and so on. As time goes on there will be more subtle, and not so subtle, differences

Classic Is an alternate Canon continuation. They have Major ties to the multiverse. G2, Classicverse and Regeneration One are all Canon, butt in different branches of the Marvel Comics Universe, so the Classicverse Is still a Marvel comics universe, as those stories are still in the universe's past.

Sinclair, my guy saying that the difference relies in the appearences of the cybertronias Is Like saying that each comic where Batman has a different suit Is another universe.

Tbh i personally see the DW Comics to be in the same universe as the G1 Cartoon as they fit perfecy, and we can give this universe a purpose rather than being a continuity that goes nowhere. (Ok this Is more headcanon, but Just to Say that i take what's show in the product than what the writer's intentions are).

You could Also Place Devastation too if you want in 2004 thanks to in-dialogue references. And for giving this universe a purpose.

 

[GradoNite]

Classic Is an alternate Canon continuation. They have Major ties to the multiverse. G2, Classicverse and Regeneration One are all Canon, butt in different branches of the Marvel Comics Universe, so the Classicverse Is still a Marvel comics universe, as those stories are still in the universe's past.

Sinclair, my guy saying that the difference relies in the appearences of the cybertronias Is Like saying that each comic where Batman has a different suite Is another universe.

Don't forgot the Devil's Due and the IDW sequels to the Marvel G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero! series

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Honestly, the whole of the Transformers Multiverse is just one big complicated mess for me to understand. I just wanna simple Multiverse-based franchise, lol.

 

[Megatron]

Honestly, the whole of the Transformers Multiverse is just one big complicated mess for me to understand. I just wanna simple Multiverse-based franchise, lol.

I agree, infact I'm tempted to make experimental threads like Pro Bot did with the cinematic universe where I try to see if multiple continuities can be considered one.

Could you imagine this work with the G1 Cartoon? Japanese stuff, Wings, American, Devastation, DW comics all together. It could be cool.

 

[GradoNite]

Honestly, the whole of the Transformers Multiverse is just one big complicated mess for me to understand. I just wanna simple Multiverse-based franchise, lol.

I get more confused with the DC multiverse than the Transformers multiverse, to be honest

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

I agree, infact I'm tempted to make experimental threads like Pro Bot did with the cinematic universe where I try to see if multiple continuities can be considered one.

Could you imagine this work with the G1 Cartoon? Japanese stuff, Wings, American, Devastation, DW comics all together. It could be cool.

God, the whole of Japanese G1 Continuity is a massive mess, especially when everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) is considered canon to it. Yes, even that one icky manga where you have teenage girls KISSING THE TRANSFORMERS TO TRANSFORM!!

 

[Megatron]

God, the whole of Japanese G1 Continuity is a massive mess, especially when everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) is considered canon to it. Yes, even that one icky manga where you have teenage girls KISSING THE TRANSFORMERS TO TRANSFORM!!

we ehm... don't talk about that one hahahaha.