DC Extended Universe / DC Universe - Timeline

[Pro Bot]

I'm not even mad at anyone but James Gunn, lol. I'm was just being playful there.

 

[TheVultureKing]

Tbh better to confirm that stuff like this isn't canon right out of the gate than pretending they are only to ignore and retcon them later

 

[stphylcccs]

I think the main problem people have is that people write the stories and put their creativity into it, so when someone goes and says "Yeah actually this never happened it's completely irrelevant" it can be quite frustrating for the creator (and by extension people who wanted it to be canon)

 

[Pro Bot]

Tbh better to confirm that stuff like this isn't canon right out of the gate than pretending they are only to ignore and retcon them later

It would be extremely difficult to contradict that Superman comic or the Krypto shorts.

 

[Pro Bot]

The DCEU managed to go through its whole life without contradicting the tie-in material.

 

[stphylcccs]

Am I just tripping (not literally) or did they change the default font?

 

[selfishmisery]

guys btw calm down, you 2 behave like Spike and Angel in the Buffyverse hahahahah.

I'm perfectly calm.

 

[selfishmisery]

The novel is staying on the timeline. Period.

 

[selfishmisery]

The novel is staying on the timeline. Period.

Mainly because, unlike the Krypto shorts which are unimportant and simply just exaggerated comedy hijinks to fit the Tex Avery aesthetic, the prequel book explains how Lex Luthor knows about Kryptonite and Superman's skill set.

That's important information until Gunn decides to give a new reason for why Lex knows these things.
In my reading of it, it's "not-canon" in the sense that there is nothing to replace that backstory as of right now.

 

[Pro Bot]

Maybe Krypto is non-canon to Gunn in the sense that it's unimportant and there's nothing to replace it's events.

 

[selfishmisery]

Maybe Krypto is non-canon to Gunn in the sense that it's unimportant and there's nothing to replace it's events.

Thats literally what I said.

 

[Pro Bot]

Then... Krypto is just as canon as the novel.

 

[selfishmisery]

Then... Krypto is just as canon as the novel.

No. False dichotomy.

The novel holds important information, regardless of canonicity. It remains in the timeline for the time being. The Krypto shorts contribute nothing. Just "fun".

 

[stphylcccs]

I feel the best way to settle the canonicity of both would be to ask the creators if they intended them to be canon, or just appear as though they were canon

 

[Pro Bot]

Importance doesn't dictate canonicity... that mentality is the exact reason Gunn thinks I Am Groot is non-canon.

 

[Pro Bot]

I feel the best way to settle the canonicity of both would be to ask the creators if they intended them to be canon, or just appear as though they were canon

"It's definitely the Krypto you fall in love with in Superman." - Peter Safran

 

[stphylcccs]

"It's definitely the Krypto you fall in love with in Superman." - Peter Safran

Again, it could just be appearing as though it were canon (like Avengers Assembled)

 

[Pro Bot]

Again, it could just be appearing as though it were canon (like Avengers Assembled)

Avengers Assemble isn't "definitely" the same (let's say) Iron Man you fall in love with in The Avengers.

 

[selfishmisery]

Pro Bot… you are reminding me of a family member. A very neglectful awful person in my life who took my opinions, mostly political and identity related not comics albeit, far too personally.

I am trying my damnest to be chill with you but you are honestly making it impossible.

 

[Pro Bot]

What!? We're literally talking about a comic book, novel and animated shorts. It's not that serious.

 

[stphylcccs]

Avengers Assemble isn't "definitely" the same (let's say) Iron Man you fall in love with in The Avengers.

I can't think of better examples right now, but one could definitely create something that appears to take place in-universe, but doesn't

 

[Pro Bot]

Grow up, dude. I'm sick and tired of this antagonist nonsense. I'm allowed to disagree with you. Not once have I insulted you in this discussion. I'm annoyed at James Gunn, not you.

 

[Pro Bot]

There you go blaming me for something you started.

Come at me again, I dare you.
Be a little less passive aggressive next time.

Why are you threatening me? What exactly are you gonna do? More importantly, WHY? Sorry that I disagree with you, damn.

 

[Pro Bot]

What exactly did I start with you? Please point to an example.

 

[Pro Bot]

Four people are very well aware that I was talking about Gunn and that not everything is about you. You act like I have a problem with the novel and comic being on the timeline, lol, no. I don't. I just think that, if we're being 100% consistent, the Krypto shorts are just as canon.

 

[selfishmisery]

 

[Pro Bot]

I love how you make it impossible for people to have a discussion with you, you act like a victim instead of a grown up. You're "blocking me" because I treat you like how you treat me and others, by laugh reacting. I only did that because you acted immature first.

Importance ≠ canoncity. Gunn thinks these are all non-canon because they're all equally unimportant to him. Neither the novel or comic are required to understand Superman, therefore they're "non-canon" to Gunn. This also applies to the Krypto shorts. Your personal opinion on whether they're important or not doesn't matter because my mom could watch Superman and not be confused or lost, so it's not really that important.

It's not a false dichotamy because that implies there needs to be a more nuanced view, but there doesn't.

1. Both set themselves in the DCU.
2. Both have been called non-canon by Gunn.

There, simple.

 

[selfishmisery]

You are putting more effort into the antagonistic behavior than I am.

Let me hold us all accountable so this carnival stops.
@Blackbeard

We good?

 

[Megatron]

guys btw calm down, you 2 behave like Spike and Angel in the Buffyverse hahahahah.

This comment aged Like fine wine (Ironic comment).

 

[stphylcccs]

This comment aged Like fine wine (Ironic comment).

Or milk, depending on how you look at it