Spider-Man Trilogy - Timeline

[iceman109]

I don't remember that one?

X-Men and Blade's timelines probably diverged in 5th millenium BCE. The birth of Vampires via Deviants in 5000 BC. Mutants are born from some interferences from Celestials and Victor Timely's Rama-Tut variant (who was forced to leave behind his advanced tech that En Saber Nur would later use for himself).

Amazing Spider-Man has a Captain America, as noted from the video games' own divergent timeline, so the Super Soldier Serum was a success and the timeline for Ben and May's family history differs starting from directly after WW2.

Hulk (2003), I guess if you wanna argue young Ross in the opening flashbacks is really rough 19-20 year old, also deviates (in the early 60s) as a result of the Super Soldier Serum. Ross' superiors are wanting a new version of the Serum and I guess Bruce Banner's dad became an abusive dickhead due to the stress of working for the military.

Daredevil/Elektra is another result of family history and "time-of-conception" related butterfly effects. Ditto for Tim Story's Fantastic Four and Fant4stic, plus both previous Punishers (Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson).

Ghost Rider's timeline deviates sometime after the point where Johnny Blaze makes the deal in 1986 and what decided to do with his life here instead of the Sacred Timeline.

I always saw them as separate universes that only share some aspects with the MCU due to being so close in the multiversal structure

 

[selfishmisery]

I always saw them as separate universes that only share some aspects with the MCU due to being so close in the multiversal structure

Considering the Raimiverse and X-Men universes are getting affected by Incursions, that seem to only affect this Multiversal tree, it’s fair to assume these are part of that.

 

[iceman109]

Would their be a divergence for Earth 828 also?

 

[selfishmisery]

Would their be a divergence for Earth 828 also?

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Temporal_Marvels_Universe

 

[selfishmisery]

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Temporal_Marvels_Universe

Just a headcanon, but makes sense when you consider Timely’s early brilliance probably inspired an early technological boom.

 

[iceman109]

Is the family history and time of conception the same for the Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man divergence?

 

[iceman109]

Is it also the same thing with the SSU?

 

[iceman109]

What are the connections with Punisher 2004, Punisher War Zone, the Nic Cage Ghost Rider duology and the 2003 Hulk with the Scared Timeljne?

 

[eloesch289]

What are the connections with Punisher 2004, Punisher War Zone, the Nic Cage Ghost Rider duology and the 2003 Hulk with the Scared Timeljne?

as of now, nothing, nic cages ghost rider is in concept art for deadpool & wolverine but not in the final film at all

 

[FruityWho50]

as of now, nothing, nic cages ghost rider is in concept art for deadpool & wolverine but not in the final film at all

When Deadpool mentions there being like 5 Punishers in Deadpool & wolverine these are assumed to be Jon Bernthal, Thomas Jane, Ray Stevenson, Dolph Lundgren and not sure about the 5th as people have said the 90s Spider-Man cartoon iteration or a video game iteration. i go with the animated version as that connects to spider verse films which connects to mcu.

Dolph Lundgren was mentioned in Deadpool 2016 post credits to play cable so Ryan Reynolds pretty much confirms he's one of the 5 and Thomas jane would be another multiverse early 2000s marvel hero so him being with other early 2000s marvel heroes like Elektra, blade and johnny storm isn't much of a stretch.

And Ray Stevenson had a rocket launcher at some point so it could easily be his rocket launcher seen in Deadpool & wolverine. Plus his film had a marvel spotlight banner which would have connected him to Nic cage's ghost rider so yeah.

Don't count Hasselhoff fury because it was cut from the film and hulk 2003 doesn't connect to anything yet so that's also not cannon.

 

[selfishmisery]

Is the family history and time of conception the same for the Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider Man divergence?

Is it also the same thing with the SSU?

Yes.

 

[Pro Bot]

When Deadpool mentions there being like 5 Punishers in Deadpool & wolverine these are assumed to be Jon Bernthal, Thomas Jane, Ray Stevenson, Dolph Lundgren and not sure about the 5th as people have said the 90s Spider-Man cartoon iteration or a video game iteration. i go with the animated version as that connects to spider verse films which connects to mcu.

Dolph Lundgren was mentioned in Deadpool 2016 post credits to play cable so Ryan Reynolds pretty much confirms he's one of the 5 and Thomas jane would be another multiverse early 2000s marvel hero so him being with other early 2000s marvel heroes like Elektra, blade and johnny storm isn't much of a stretch.

And Ray Stevenson had a rocket launcher at some point so it could easily be his rocket launcher seen in Deadpool & wolverine. Plus his film had a marvel spotlight banner which would have connected him to Nic cage's ghost rider so yeah.

Don't count Hasselhoff fury because it was cut from the film and hulk 2003 doesn't connect to anything yet so that's also not cannon.

I honestly don't count any of this because it's no different than Deadpool referencing Batman.

 

[stphylcccs]

Doesn’t one of Cassandra’s mercenaries drive the Ghost Rider bike? That seems like the most solid connection

 

[barryh]

Doesn’t one of Cassandra’s mercenaries drive the Ghost Rider bike? That seems like the most solid connection

The motorbikes are from Captain America: The First Avenger.

 

[eloesch289]

I honestly don't count any of this because it's no different than Deadpool referencing Batman.

agreed, i personally only count punisher 2004 bc of the variant of the russian in dp&w which i know is not necessarily agreed upon

 

[Pro Bot]

Definitely not agreed on, but yeah.

 

[BB10]

You guys agree Spider-Man 2 PC has a weird liminal vibe to it?


I really like the creepy vibe. Its surely unintentional but death of the author etc.

 

[BB10]

Daily Bugle founded in 1932:
https://propstore.com/product/spider-man-2002/lot-1147-pair-of-daily-bugle-newspaper-covers/

Norman Osborn founded Oscorp in 1966, company moved to defense contracts in mid 70s, survived a hostile takeover feom Valla Defense System in 1983:


Though, I guess these dates wouldn't be included since this is a watching order and these dates weren't featured in flashbacks.

 

[selfishmisery]

Daily Bugle founded in 1932:
https://propstore.com/product/spider-man-2002/lot-1147-pair-of-daily-bugle-newspaper-covers/

Norman Osborn founded Oscorp in 1966, company moved to defense contracts in mid 70s, survived a hostile takeover feom Valla Defense System in 1983:


Though, I guess these dates wouldn't be included since this is a watching order and these dates weren't featured in flashbacks.

Way ahead of ya.

The newspaper in the first film infers that not only did Norman found Oscorp in 1966 at age 18 (making this variant born in 1948) - but he was hired to create a modern version of the Super Soldier Serum.

I don’t know how old May and Ben are in this timeline, Cliff Robinson and Aunt May’s actress were born in the 1920s, so where the Raimiverse deviates from the “Sacred Timeline” might be dependant on very subtle WW1 or WW2 era family divergences (i.e. when their parents decided to conceive.)

In other words: No Captain America or Red Skull potentially in this timeline. The Super Soldier Serum was never perfected perhaps.

 

[iceman109]

Does that mean that Aunt Mays grandmother in the Sacred Timeline becomes her mother in the Raimiverse