Marvel Animated Universe (1990s) - Timelines

[selfishmisery]

It does raise an interesting thought piece about fate and destiny in regards to Apocalypse's future in the 30th century.
So if Apocalypse dies in present day, the resulting cause-and-effect means adult Cable future shifts DRASTICALLY and the domino effect would stretch as far back to all his efforts since the beginning of the OG show (Bishop might still exist though). And all the work he did since season 1 episode 7 of the OG series would either be altered to some extreme degree based on the future he grows up in since infancy or...time just f-ck's up.

I hope the writers thought about this. They don't have temporal rules of the DC/Arrowverse nor their excuses for time itself allowing erased timeline remnants to still exist, just so the whole timeline doesn't implode in on itself with paradoxes.
Example: when the Arrowverse did have it to where the timeline cause-and-effect was almost irreparable due to one major crack, they called it out.

 

[BB10]

@selfishmisery

I wonder if the Apocalypse from kid Cable's era loses? Because that would break the timeline (especially since this timetravel was meant to be a bootstrap paradox with Jean Grey and Cyclops helping their son in the future), since we see that Apocalypse years later in Cable's timeline, and he even seemingly dies in one episode of TAS. But they might go thr bootstrap paradox directiom again like in the Egypt arc.

About the time remnants from erased timelines (such as the actions of characters from erased timelines in the past of 92131), shouldn't they still exist? For example, Charles Xavier was killed in 95099 by a character from an erased time. If that action was erased, that would be a grandfather paradox. So, the past actions done by characters from erased timelines have to stick, no? The erasure probably ony applies to variants of characters from different timelines existing alongside each other (usually it happens like that in these stories, like how Age of Ultron Sue Storm and Wolverine seemingly got erased at the end). Not sure if I am understanding you correcty.

 

[selfishmisery]

@selfishmisery
About the time remnants from erased timelines (such as the actions of characters from erased timelines in the past of 92131), shouldn't they still exist? For example, Charles Xavier was killed in 95099 by a character from an erased time. If that action was erased, that would be a grandfather paradox. So, the past actions done by characters from erased timelines have to stick, no? The erasure probably ony applies to variants of characters from different timelines existing alongside each other (usually it happens like that in these stories, like how Age of Ultron Sue Storm and Wolverine seemingly got erased at the end). Not sure if I am understanding you correcty.

Good point.

 

[selfishmisery]

I struggle with understanding a grandfather paradox more than bootstrap ones tbh.

 

[myusernameyes]

Also,

Spoiler

considering the fact that Garrison Kane already appeared in the show as part of a resistance group in a future timeline this would mean that his immediate death would make this potential timeline even more... Potential

 

[selfishmisery]

Also,

Spoiler

considering the fact that Garrison Kane already appeared in the show as part of a resistance group in a future timeline this would mean that his immediate death would make this potential timeline even more... Potential

That's a thousand years in the future. Pretty sure he just looks like him and he's probably a descendant.
We don't know if Garrison conceived before he died.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Garrison_Kane_(Earth-13393)

 

[myusernameyes]

I think he just had his lifespan extended or smth

 

[selfishmisery]

I think he just had his lifespan extended or smth

It's not the same Kane.

 

[Giuseppe]

Marvel Cosmic Invasion* was conceived as the *Annihilation* event for the 1990s Marvel Universe. It also features the return of the voice actors for Wolverine and Storm from *X-Men: The Animated Series* (1992).

 

[Mike_Castle]

Marvel Cosmic Invasion* was conceived as the *Annihilation* event for the 1990s Marvel Universe. It also features the return of the voice actors for Wolverine and Storm from *X-Men: The Animated Series* (1992).

Where did anyone involved with the game say that Cosmic Invasion was specifically conceived as part of the 1990s Marvel Animated Universe? Just because some voice actors are returning from X-Men: TAS doesn't mean it's the same universe.

 

[Pro Bot]

I think it's based on the 90s era of Marvel, that's all.

 

[Giuseppe]

Penso che sia basato sull'era Marvel degli anni '90, tutto qui.

https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/in...-cosmic-invasion-developer-interview?hl=it-IT Questo gioco ha davvero un'atmosfera old-school, dalla grafica al doppiaggio (ad esempio, Alison Sealy Smith e Cal Dodd, doppiatori della serie animata originale degli X-Men degli anni '90, sono tornati a prestare la voce a Tempesta e Wolverine). Cosa vi ha ispirato a scegliere questa direzione per il gioco, invece di dargli un'impronta più moderna?

Belzil: Fa parte della nostra missione in Tribute Games: creare giochi che trasmettano le stesse sensazioni che ricordiamo. Volevamo spingerci oltre il gameplay, estendendo questa idea anche alla presentazione dei nostri personaggi. In questo caso, la nostra idea era di presentare la saga di Annihilation del 2005 come se fosse un adattamento dei cartoni animati Marvel degli anni '90. Questo ci ha permesso di utilizzare versioni iconiche dei personaggi che amavamo e che ancora oggi riscuotono grande successo tra i giocatori
.

 

[Giuseppe]

Dove è mai stato affermato da qualcuno coinvolto nello sviluppo del gioco che Cosmic Invasion fosse stato concepito specificamente come parte dell'universo animato Marvel degli anni '90? Il fatto che alcuni doppiatori di X-Men: The Animated Series tornino a lavorare con i personaggi non significa che si tratti dello stesso universo.

so (il Batman di *Arkham* non è lo stesso di quello del DCAU o del DCAMU), ma potrebbe servire come ulteriore prova.

 

[Giuseppe]

https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/in...-cosmic-invasion-developer-interview?hl=it-IT Questo gioco ha davvero un'atmosfera old-school, dalla grafica al doppiaggio (ad esempio, Alison Sealy Smith e Cal Dodd, doppiatori della serie animata originale degli X-Men degli anni '90, sono tornati a porre la voce a Tempesta e Wolverine). Cosa vi ha ispirato a scegliere questa direzione per il gioco, invece di dargli un'impronta più moderna?

Belzil: Fa parte della nostra missione in Tribute Games: creare giochi che trasmettano le stesse sensazioni che ricordiamo. Volevamo spingerci oltre il gameplay, estendendo questa idea anche alla presentazione dei nostri personaggi. In questo caso, la nostra idea era di presentare la saga di Annihilation del 2005 come se fosse un adattamento dei cartoni animati Marvel degli anni '90. Questo ci ha permesso di utilizzare versioni iconiche dei personaggi che amavamo e che ancora oggi riscuotono grande successo tra i giocatori
.

In sostanza, lo ha confermato.

 

[Dego Strange]

Ciao Giuseppe

 

[Dallas Kinard]

The Incredible Hulk And She-Hulk Episode 1.02: "Down Memory Lane" gives us a month:

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

She-Hulk Episode 1.02: "Down Memory Lane" gives us a month:View attachment 4891

Wait, there was a She-Hulk animated series?

 

[selfishmisery]

Wait, there was a She-Hulk animated series?

It's Incredible Hulk season 2. I dunno why they said "She-Hulk" other than she became part of the show in the 2nd season.

 

[BB10]

Where did anyone involved with the game say that Cosmic Invasion was specifically conceived as part of the 1990s Marvel Animated Universe? Just because some voice actors are returning from X-Men: TAS doesn't mean it's the same universe.

I always felt it could have been a part of the Capcom Marvelverse since the game sprites are based on the early Capcom Marvel games. But I guess it is probably not since it was never confirmed and it is not made by Capcom.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Wait, there was a She-Hulk animated series?

Yes.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

I think "X-Men" needs an overhaul due to this....

According to Stephen Melching, one of the writers for seasons 3 and up, this is the order that the X-Men episodes were assigned to be written in...


X-MEN: THE ANIMATED SERIES

For those of you keeping score, below is a list
of X-Men episodes by *script number*. This order
reflects the sequence in which the stories were
assigned to writers, and is a good guide for how
the series was *initially* planned to develop....

Also included is the number FCN assigned to
each episode, which reflects the order in which
production materials were received from Saban,
not necessarily the order in which they aired.

(For example, a "one-light" video of "Longshot"
was received by FCN and thus assigned a number,
but it was sent back for lots of retakes and has
yet to air...)

NOTE: I re-arranged some titles so they would fall
in sequence by FCN #.


SCRIPT # FCN# TITLE

FIRST SEASON

01 XM-101 Night of the Sentinels I
02 XM-102 Night of the Sentinels II
03 XM-103 Enter Magneto
04 XM-104 Deadly Reunions
05 XM-105 Captive Hearts
06 XM-106 Cold Vengeance
07 XM-107 Slave Island
08 XM-108 The Unstoppable Juggernaut
09 XM-109 The Cure
10 XM-110 Come the Apocalypse
11 XM-111 Days of Future Past I
12 XM-112 Days of Future Past II
13 XM-113 The Final Decision

SECOND SEASON

14 XM-201 'Til Death Do Us Part I
15 XM-202 'Til Death Do Us Part II
16 XM-203 Whatever It Takes
17 XM-204 Red Dawn
18 XM-205 Repo Man
19 XM-206 X-Ternally Yours
20 XM-207 Time Fugitives I
21 XM-208 Time Fugitives II
22 XM-209 A Rogue's Tale
23 XM-210 Beauty and the Beast
24 XM-211 MojoVision
25 XM-212 Reunion I
26 XM-213 Reunion II

THIRD SEASON

27 XM-301 Out of the Past I
28 XM-302 Out of the Past II
29 XM-303 Phoenix Saga I
30 XM-304 Phoenix Saga II
31 XM-305 Phoenix Saga III
32 XM-306 Phoenix Saga IV
33 XM-307 Phoenix Saga V
34 XM-308 No Mutant Is An Island
35 XM-309 Obsession
36 XM-310 Longshot
37 XM-311 Cold Comfort
38 XM-312 Savage Land, Savage Heart I
39 XM-313 Savage Land, Savage Heart II
40 XM-314 Dark Phoenix Saga I
41 XM-315 Dark Phoenix Saga II
42 XM-316 Dark Phoenix Saga III
43 XM-317 Dark Phoenix Saga IV
44 XM-318 Orphan s End
46 XM-319 The Juggernaut Returns
53 XM-320 Nightcrawler
61 XM-321 weapon x, lies, and videotape

FOURTH SEASON

45 XM-401 Love In Vain
47 XM-402 A Deal with the Devil
48 XM-403 Sanctuary I
49 XM-404 Sanctuary II
50 XM-405 Xavier Remembers
51 XM-406 Courage
52 XM-407 Secrets Not Long Buried
54 XM-408 One Man s Worth I
55 XM-409 One Man s Worth II
56 XM-410 Proteus I
57 XM-411 Proteus II
58 XM-412 Family Ties
60 XM-413 The Lotus and the Steel
62 XM-414 Have Yourself A Morlock Little Christmas
63 XM-415 Beyond Good and Evil I
64 XM-416 Beyond Good and Evil II
65 XM-417 Beyond Good and Evil III
66 XM-418 Beyond Good and Evil IV
67 XM-419 The Phalanx Covenant I
68 XM-420 The Phalanx Covenant II
69 XM-421 Storm Front I
70 XM-422 Storm Front II
59 XM-423 Bloodlines
71 TBD The Fifth Horseman
72 TBD Jubilee s Fairy Tale Theatre
73 TBD Old Soldiers
74 TBD Hidden Agendas
75 TBD Descent
76 TBD Graduation Day

Steve
("Better to keep your mouth shut and risk looking like
an idiot than open your mouth and confirm it")

So we know the original airdate order is objectively a mess and can be ignored. The questions is, is Script order more accurate than the XM Production order?

 

[Giuseppe]

Ho sempre pensato che potesse far parte del Marvelverse di Capcom, dato che gli sprite del gioco sono basati sui primi giochi Marvel di Capcom. Ma immagino che non sia così, visto che non è mai stato confermato e non è sviluppato da Capcom.

È stato detto dalla persona che l'ha creato, come nella versione *Annihilation* o nei cartoni animati degli anni '90...

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Follow up, this may be the best guide for "X-Men".

Below is a list of every episode of X-MEN: THE ANIMATED SERIES, listed in SCRIPT ORDER by the number assigned by the production company (in boldface). For those of you keeping score, this is your best guide in terms of overall series continuity, as this is how the stories were originally envisioned to flow together. But the production process is unpredictable, so it didn't always work out that way... The episodes are divided into the blocks in which the scripts were originally ordered.

SCRIPT #	FOX #	TITLE
01	XM-101	Night of the Sentinels I
02	XM-102	Night of the Sentinels II
03	XM-103	Enter Magneto
04	XM-104	Deadly Reunions
05	XM-105	Captive Hearts
06	XM-106	Cold Vengeance
07	XM-107	Slave Island
08	XM-108	The Unstoppable Juggernaut
09	XM-109	The Cure
10	XM-110	Come the Apocalypse
11	XM-111	Days of Future Past I
12	XM-112	Days of Future Past II
13	XM-113	The Final Decision

​

SCRIPT #	FOX #	TITLE
14	XM-201	'Til Death Do Us Part I
15	XM-202	'Til Death Do Us Part II
16	XM-203	Whatever It Takes
17	XM-204	Red Dawn
18	XM-205	Repo Man
19	XM-206	X-Ternally Yours
20	XM-207	Time Fugitives I
21	XM-208	Time Fugitives II
22	XM-209	A Rogue's Tale
23	XM-210	Beauty and the Beast
24	XM-211	MojoVision
25	XM-212	Reunion I
26	XM-213	Reunion II

​

SCRIPT #	FOX #	TITLE
27	XM-301	Out of the Past I
28	XM-302	Out of the Past II
29	XM-303	Phoenix Saga I
30	XM-304	Phoenix Saga II
31	XM-305	Phoenix Saga III
32	XM-306	Phoenix Saga IV
33	XM-307	Phoenix Saga V
34	XM-308	No Mutant Is An Island
35	XM-309	Obsession
36	XM-310	Longshot
37	XM-311	Cold Comfort
38	XM-312	Savage Land, Savage Heart I
39	XM-313	Savage Land, Savage Heart II

​

SCRIPT #	FOX #	TITLE
40	XM-314	Dark Phoenix Saga I
41	XM-315	Dark Phoenix Saga II
42	XM-316	Dark Phoenix Saga III
43	XM-317	Dark Phoenix Saga IV
44	XM-318	Orphan's End
45	XM-401	Love In Vain
46	XM-319	The Juggernaut Returns
47	XM-402	A Deal with the Devil
48	XM-403	Sanctuary I
49	XM-404	Sanctuary II
50	XM-405	Xavier Remembers
51	XM-406	Courage
52	XM-407	Secrets Not Long Buried

​

SCRIPT #	FOX #	TITLE
53	XM-320	Nightcrawler
54	XM-408	One Man's Worth I
55	XM-409	One Man's Worth II
56	XM-410	Proteus I
57	XM-411	Proteus II
58	XM-412	Family Ties
59	XM-423	Bloodlines
60	XM-413	The Lotus and the Steel
61	XM-321	weapon x, lies, and videotape
62	XM-414	Have Yourself A Morlock Little Christmas
63	XM-415	Beyond Good and Evil I
64	XM-416	Beyond Good and Evil II
65	XM-417	Beyond Good and Evil III
66	XM-418	Beyond Good and Evil IV

​

SCRIPT #	FOX #	TITLE
67	XM-419	The Phalanx Covenant I
68	XM-420	The Phalanx Covenant II
69	XM-421	Storm Front I
70	XM-422	Storm Front II
71	TBD	The Fifth Horseman
72	TBD	Jubilee's Fairy Tale Theatre
73	TBD	Old Soldiers
74	TBD	Hidden Agendas
75	TBD	Descent
76	TBD	Graduation Day

​

 

[Dallas Kinard]

IMO I suggest we use script order which splits up the series into 6 seasons, 13 episodes each (with the 6th season being only 10 episodes). I think this will be the cleanest and most accurate solution.