Frogwares Shared Universe - Timeline

Rojinn said:

But, like with all Frogwares games of that time, everything is dated quite well, in this case we even see the exact date on a newspaper in the opening cutscene (Thursday September 8, 1898)

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so if it is being set in 1898, there's the possibility of the game being the "real life" version of the novel that Kathy Holmes will read in 1903.

update me if you find anything further, tho I think we'll get the answer only at the end of the game, @Rojinn

Megatron said:

update me if you find anything further, tho I think we'll get the answer only at the end of the game, @Rojinn

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I think I'll finish the game tomorrow, just reached Transylvania ^^

anyways since we're focusing on Hercule Poirot, let's dive into his games and see which ones are canon and which ones are not:

Murder on the Orient Express (2006) - It's an adaptation of the novel, only difference is that the novel is set in 1932 while that game is set in 1934 the year the novel was written (canon?)

Death on the Nile (2007) - Adaptation of the novel, idk if there were made some changes like in the first game (possibly canon)

Peril at End House - Adaptation of the novel, idk if there were made some changes like in the first game (possibly canon)

Evil Under the Sun - Adaptation of the novel (Kind of), it has a framing sequence where Poirot tells Hastings about this case to give him a chance to solve it, so I'd say it's canon.

Dead Man's Folly - Adaptation of the novel, idk if there were made some changes like in the first game (possibly canon)

The ABC Murders (2009) - Adaptation of the novel tho it can be played with different murderers (maybe canon?)

The ABC Murders (2016) - Adaptation of the novel, tho it has differences (maybe canon?)

The First Cases - Original story set when Poirot is in the Belgian Police, definetly canon.

The London Case - Original Story which depicts the first meeting with Hastings, a meeting only alluded to in the novels, definetly canon.

Murder on the Orient Express (2023) - Adaptation of the novel, but it's set in 2023 and features modern technology, definetly non-canon.

Death on the Nile (2025) - Adaptation of the novel, and a sequel of the previous game, oddly enough the game is set in the 1970s.... (guys, c'mon it's just 2 games, how could you break continuity so badly?) Anyways, it's definetly non-canon.

June's Journey + Agatha Christie - crossover game set in the 1920s, while the timeframe is perfect, the cases are based on Poirot Novels that are set in: 1926, 1932 and 1938 in-canon, meaning that they aren't canon with the classic Poirot timeline, so non-canon.

BONUS - games based on other novel series by Agatha Christie such as 4:50 from Paddington, Behind the Screen, And Then There Were None and The Scoop were released, but as far as I know all the Agatha Christie books does NOT share a universe.

Regarding the Other Sherlock Holmes games:

Sherlock - 1881-1901 timeframe

Sherlock Holmes: Another Bow - 1919-1922 timeframe

Robin of Sherlock - non-canon

Sherlock Holmes: Hakushaku Reijo Yukai Jiken - 1881-1901 timeframe

Sherlock Holmes: The Vatican Cameos - May 1889

Young Sherlock: The Legacy of Doyle - Non-Canon

221B Baker Street - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: Traja Garridebovia - Adaptation of the Short Story of the same name set between 19th to 20th June 1902

Sherlock: The Riddle of The Crown Jewels - 25th June 1887

The Case of the Beheaded Smuggler - 1881-1901 timeframe

Meitantei Holmes: kiri no london satjukin sijen - 1888

Meitantei holmes: M-Kara no Chousenjou - 1881-1901 timeframe

Sherlock Holmes: A Matter of Evil - 1881-1901 timeframe

The Raven - 1881-1903 timeframe

Sherlock Holmes: The Lamberley Mystery - 3rd November 1887

PC-Sherlock: A Game of Logic & Deduction - Non-Canon

Sherlock: The Game of Logic - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume I - 4th July 1888; 12th April 1889; 10th June 1890

Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume II - 20th March 1888; 17th August 1888; 22nd January 1891

The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel - November 1888

Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume III - 11th April 1890; 9th June 1890; 26th June 1890

The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Rose Tattoo - October 1889

Dinner with Moriarty - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: The Return of Moriarty - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Vanishing Thief - 1881-1901 timeframe

Watson's Map - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Time Machine - 1881-1901 timeframe

Baker Street - Non Canon

Cerebral Sherlock - 1894

The Lost Cases of Sherlock Holmes - 1896

Scotland Yard - Non-Canon

Inspector Lestrade - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: Mysteries - Non-Canon

Mrs. Hudson - Non-Canon

The Lost Cases of Sherlock Holmes 2 - 1904

Sherlock Holmes: Escape - Non-Canon

Reichenbach Fall - Non-Canon

Doctor Watson: Treasure Island - Non-Canon

Doctor Watson: The Riddle of the Catacombs - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: The Blue Diamond - Adaptation of the Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle, set on the 27th December 1889

Sherlock Holmes: The Norwood Mystery - Adaptation of the Adventure of the Norwood Builder set in August 1894

Sherlock: The Network - Non-Canon

The Valley of Fear Mystery - Adaptation of The Valley of Fear set between 7th-8th January 1887

Sherlock Holmes: Lost Detective - 1891-1894 timeframe (or either Non-Canon)

Queen's Gambit - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes: Hidden Objects - Non-Canon

Moriarty: Endgame VR - Non-Canon

Sherlock Holmes Adventure - Non-Canon

Dr. Watson Mysteries - Non-Canon

Mycroft's Map - Non-Canon

Detective Holmes: Trap for the Hunter - Non-Canon

IDOYLE - Adaptation of A Scandal in Boemia, set between 20th-22nd March 1888

Young Sherlock - Non-Canon

Ms. Holmes: The Monster of the Baskervilles - Non-Canon

Ms. Holmes: Five Orange Pips - Non-Canon

Sherlock: Hidden Match-3 Cases - Non-Canon

Detective Riddles - Sherlock's Heritage - Non-Canon

Detective Riddles 2 - Sherlock's Heritage - Non-Canon

Hidden Object: Detective Holmes - Heirloom - Non-Canon

Ms. Holmes: The Adventure of the McKirk Ritual - Non-Canon

Detective Tales: A Study in Scarlet - Adaptation of A Study in Scarlet set between 4th-7th March 1881

Sherlock Holmes: Merge Cases - Non-Canon

Holmes Sherlock & Mycroft - Non-Canon

Ms. Holmes: The Case of the Dancing Men - Non-Canon

Sherlock: Mystery Merge - Non-Canon

Sherlock Solitaire - Non-Canon

The Beekeeper's Picnic - 1923

Mycroft Holmes Simulator - 1895 (or 1893)

Crushed in Time - Non-Canon

Damn Mobile Games, anyways if anything here is wrong or you're able to shorten the gaps of some timespans, let me know!

Timeline of the games with actual dates (Not Frogwares)
Detective Tales: A Study in Scarlet - Adaptation of A Study in Scarlet set between 4th-7th March 1881
The Valley of Fear Mystery - Adaptation of The Valley of Fear set between 7th-8th January 1887
Sherlock: The Riddle of The Crown Jewels - 25th June 1887
Sherlock Holmes: The Lamberley Mystery - 3rd November 1887
Meitantei Holmes: kiri no london satjukin sijen - 1888
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume II - 20th March 1888
IDOYLE - Adaptation of A Scandal in Boemia, set between 20th-22nd March 1888
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume I - 4th July 1888
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume II - 17th August 1888
The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Serrated Scalpel - November 1888
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume I - 12th April 1889
Sherlock Holmes: The Vatican Cameos - May 1889
The Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes: The Case of the Rose Tattoo - October 1889
Sherlock Holmes: The Blue Diamond - Adaptation of the Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle, set on the 27th December 1889
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume III - 11th April 1890
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume III - 9th June 1890
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume I - 10th June 1890
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume III - 26th June 1890
Sherlock Holmes: Consulting Detective Volume II - 22nd January 1891
Sherlock Holmes: Lost Detective - 1891-1894 timeframe (or either Non-Canon)
Mycroft Holmes Simulator - 1893?
Cerebral Sherlock - 1894
Sherlock Holmes: The Norwood Mystery - Adaptation of the Adventure of the Norwood Builder set in August 1894
Mycroft Holmes Simulator - 1895?
The Lost Cases of Sherlock Holmes - 1896
Sherlock Holmes: Traja Garridebovia - Adaptation of the Short Story of the same name set between 19th to 20th June 1902
The Lost Cases of Sherlock Holmes 2 - 1904
Sherlock Holmes: Another Bow - 1919-1922
The Beekeeper's Picnic - 1923

Alright, just finished Dracula Origin, and nope, we don't get the story of how the book was written or sth, just an alternate take on its story where, amongst other things,

I know Frogwares made another Dracula game, but I don't own it

Rojinn said:

I know Frogwares made another Dracula game, but I don't own it

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it's a sequel. Perfect, this is relevant as well, it means that not all of Frogwares games are meant to be in the same universe.

I think it's better to stick to the crossovers the Sherlock Holmes gamers did.

Agreed, but it was a fun sidequest ^^

Oh, apparently I do own the sequel on Steam. Guess I know what I'll be playin next ^^'

Do the Further Adventures of Sherlock Holmes count? If so, there'd be a Dracula in this universe... though not sure if his story lines up with the game, as the game's Dracula is actually Vlad Tepes

Rojinn said:

Do the Further Adventures of Sherlock Holmes count? If so, there'd be a Dracula in this universe... though not sure if his story lines up with the game, as the game's Dracula is actually Vlad Tepes

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the comics you meant?

Megatron said:

the comics you meant?

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Novels. Talkin about Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula specifically

Rojinn said:

Novels. Talkin about Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula specifically

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nope, the reason is that other authors tends to chose which stories they want to keep in-canon, saying that some of them are just stories made-up by Watson.

I personally don't like that, so I'm excluding them.

If you're including Cthulu... is Magrunner canon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magrunner:_Dark_Pulse

Rojinn said:

If you're including Cthulu... is Magrunner canon?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magrunner:_Dark_Pulse

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Nice question... The Cthulu section Is... Not very clear right now...

Megatron said:

anyways since we're focusing on Hercule Poirot, let's dive into his games and see which ones are canon and which ones are not:

Murder on the Orient Express (2006) - It's an adaptation of the novel, only difference is that the novel is set in 1932 while that game is set in 1934 the year the novel was written (canon?)

Death on the Nile (2007) - Adaptation of the novel, idk if there were made some changes like in the first game (possibly canon)

Peril at End House - Adaptation of the novel, idk if there were made some changes like in the first game (possibly canon)

Evil Under the Sun - Adaptation of the novel (Kind of), it has a framing sequence where Poirot tells Hastings about this case to give him a chance to solve it, so I'd say it's canon.

Dead Man's Folly - Adaptation of the novel, idk if there were made some changes like in the first game (possibly canon)

The ABC Murders (2009) - Adaptation of the novel tho it can be played with different murderers (maybe canon?)

The ABC Murders (2016) - Adaptation of the novel, tho it has differences (maybe canon?)

The First Cases - Original story set when Poirot is in the Belgian Police, definetly canon.

The London Case - Original Story which depicts the first meeting with Hastings, a meeting only alluded to in the novels, definetly canon.

Murder on the Orient Express (2023) - Adaptation of the novel, but it's set in 2023 and features modern technology, definetly non-canon.

Death on the Nile (2025) - Adaptation of the novel, and a sequel of the previous game, oddly enough the game is set in the 1970s.... (guys, c'mon it's just 2 games, how could you break continuity so badly?) Anyways, it's definetly non-canon.

June's Journey + Agatha Christie - crossover game set in the 1920s, while the timeframe is perfect, the cases are based on Poirot Novels that are set in: 1926, 1932 and 1938 in-canon, meaning that they aren't canon with the classic Poirot timeline, so non-canon.

BONUS - games based on other novel series by Agatha Christie such as 4:50 from Paddington, Behind the Screen, And Then There Were None and The Scoop were released, but as far as I know all the Agatha Christie books does NOT share a universe.

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This aged like milk, lol and there are also connections to Sherlock until there aren't..... Very interesting, let's just pretend that Arthur Conan Doyle is an alias for Watson...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatha_Christie's_fictional_universe

Agatha Christie's Fictional Universe Timeline (WIP)
The Mysterious Affair at Styles - 5th to 16th July 1917
The Kidnapped Prime Minister - 1917-1918 timespan
The Lemesurier Inheritance - 1917-1921 timespan
The Affair at the Victory Ball - 1917-1921 timespan
The Disappearance of Mr. Davenheim - 1917-1921 timespan
The Plymouth Express - 1917-1921 timespan
The Adventure of the Cheap Flat - 1917-1921 timespan
The Submarine Plans - 1917-1921 timespan
The Adventure of Clapham Cook - 1917-1921 timespan
The Cornish Mystery - 1917-1921 timespan
The Tragedy at Marsdon Manor - 1917-1921 timespan
The Mystery of Hunter's Lodge - 1917-1921 timespan
The Adventure of the Egyptian Tomb - 1917-1921 timespan
The Jewel Robbery at the Grand Metropolitan - 1917-1921 timespan
Double Sin - 1917-1921 timespan
The Market Basing Mystery - 1917-1921 timespan
King of Clubs - 1917-1921 timespan
The Adventure of the Italian Nobelman - 1917-1921 timespan
The Double Clue - 1917-1921 timespan
The Adventure of Johnnie Waverly - 1917-1921 timespan
The Case of the Missing Will - 1917-1921 timespan
The Million Dollar Bond Robbery - 1917-1921 timespan
The Veiled Lady - 1917-1921 timespan
The Adventure of 'Western Star' - 1917-1921 timespan
The Lost Mine - 1917-1921 timespan
The Chocolate Box - 1917-1921 timespan
The Murder on the Links - 7th to 8th June 1921
The Man in the Brown Suit - 8th to 22nd January 1922
The Secret Adversary - 1922
Christmas Adventure - 24th to 25th December 1923
The Big Four - 1924
The Coming of Mr Quin - 31st December 1924
The Shadow on the Glass - 1925
At the "Bells and Motley" - 1926
The Under Dog - 1926
The Love Detectives - 1926
The Murder of Roger Ackroyd - 16th to 17th September 1926
The Secret of Chimneys - 5th to 7th October 1926
The Soul of the Croupier - 1927
The World's End - 1927
The Voice in the Dark . 1927
The Face of Helen - 1927
Harlequin's Lane - 1927
The Tuesday Night Club - 1927
The Mystery of the Blue Train - 14th to 15th February 1928
Partners in Crime - 1928
The Idol House of Astarte - 1928
Ingots of Gold - 1928
The Blood-Stained Pavement - 1928
Motive v. Opportunity - 1928
The Thumb Mark of St. Peter - 1928
Wasps' Nest - 1928
The Seven Dials Mystery - 1929
The Third Floor Flat - 1929
The Dead Harlequin - 1929
The Man from the Sea - 1929
The Blue Geranium - 1929
The Sign in the Sky - 13th September 1929

NOTE: Not every Agatha Christie work is canon, the ones which will be present here are the ones that are 100% canon.