Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 5)

[stphylcccs]

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Assuming this is actually referring to the in-universe date and not just a sly reference to the release date, it seems like Wonder Man really will take place in 2026

I’d say unless anything else crops up that disproves this, it’s accurate

 

[stphylcccs]

May
Marvel Zombies 1x02: "Episode 2" (0:00:00 - 0:06:29) [Earth-89521]
Captain Marvel Chapter 17: "End Credits" (1:54:56 - 1:55:59)

June 8
Avengers - Endgame Chapter 1: "One Last Surprise" (0:01:56 - 0:03:14)
Avengers - Endgame Chapter 1: "One Last Surprise" (0:04:11 - 0:05:04) (Video Only)
Avengers - Endgame Chapter 1: "One Last Surprise" (0:03:15 - 0:04:10)
Avengers - Endgame Chapter 1: "One Last Surprise" (0:04:11 - 0:05:04) (Audio Only)
Avengers - Endgame Chapter 1: "One Last Surprise" (0:05:05 - 0:08:04)
Avengers - Endgame Chapter 2: "'To the Garden'" (0:08:05 - 0:09:37)

Surely the Captain Marvel post-credit scene should go after she arrives on Earth? I imagine there’s a really good explanation behind its placement, I just can’t see it

 

[eloesch289]

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Assuming this is actually referring to the in-universe date and not just a sly reference to the release date, it seems like Wonder Man really will take place in 2026

that’s referring to the real-world release date, while the series may span several months we’ve seen articles with april dates on a computer in the first trailer

 

[eloesch289]

Surely the Captain Marvel post-credit scene should go after she arrives on Earth? I imagine there’s a really good explanation behind its placement, I just can’t see it

it’s definitely in this order, steve still has a beard in the cm post-credits and shaves while she goes to rescue tony

 

[stphylcccs]

that’s referring to the real-world release date, while the series may span several months we’ve seen articles with april dates on a computer in the first trailer

I know it’s referring to the real world date, but it’s stylised as an in-universe poster for production of [idk I haven’t seen any trailers I wanna go in completely blind] so unless it’s contradicted in any way it should be assumed the most accurate date

 

[Slyonic]

I removed:

1. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2: The Junior Novel (and the "Bonus Story")
2. Black Panther: The Junior Novel (and "Aftermath" sections of it)
3. Thor: Ragnarok: The Junior Novel (and "A New Story" sections of it)
4. Iron Man Manual (it's an art book, not a resource book)
5. Ant Man & the Wasp: The Heroes Journey
6. The Cosmic Quest books (due to the major contradiction of Jane Foster and Erik Selvig not being blipped)
7. Spider-Man and Ned's travel journal book (Peter wouldn't have been traveling with Ned in the UK to make that journal)

I did extensive research on these yesterday. These are completely non-canon due to 1.) each holding elements that don't line up with the film events which 2.) nullifies the "bonus stories" canonicity due to being part of the novel's narrative, despite said bonus stories themselves not being as conflicting.

Can't pick and choose chapters then throw out the rest, that's not how this works.
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I don't think 2 has to be true, the bonus chapters are not part of the narrative and are actually advertised as bonus stories which do fit in the canon. Some of the prelude comics contain errors (both tie-in and comic translations of the movie) too and we have those as well. Although I don't necessarily feel we should have the full novel on the timeline.

Iron Man Manual is not an art book, it's an in universe book similar to Wakanda Files, that has in universe memo's that add to the canon.

I'll have to look into the other ones (I have them all physically), but outside of Cosmic Quest I don't believe they conflict with canon. And even then, Cosmic Quest is part of the Road to Infinity War series, so in your own words "Can't pick and choose chapters then throw out the rest, that's not how this works."

I appreciate you keeping the timeline tidy, but just removing entire entries from the timeline without discussing it, is not a good look imo

 

[selfishmisery]

I don't think 2 has to be true, the bonus chapters are not part of the narrative and are actually advertised as bonus stories which do fit in the canon. Some of the prelude comics contain errors (both tie-in and comic translations of the movie) too and we have those as well. Although I don't necessarily feel we should have the full novel on the timeline.

It's the same reason I don't put the novelization for Suicide Squad (2016) in the DCEU timeline or the X-Men novels in the X-Men timeline.
Yes, it's extra content but it's also exclusively attached to a one, whole product that is meant to be read with the extra contents as part of these contradicting stories.
From the MCU wiki page for the Thor: Ragnarok book for example:

Continuity​

The junior novel contains information that does not allign with the way events are presented in the film. While the book explores Hulk's arrival to Sakaar and Thor's decision to search for the Infinity Stones after the events of Avengers: Age of Ultron, which is not depicted in the film, Doctor Strange does not appear in the novel. Furthermore, Loki and Thor find Odin in New York City, the novel uses the deleted scene to explain Hela's return. Odin and Hela have a small conversation before Thor ends up stranded on Sakaar, with the novel omitting Odin's death. Therefore, the novel is deemed as non-canon material.

And GotG Vol 2:

Continuity​

The events of the junior novelization have substantial differences with the events depicted in the film, most notably during the Attack on Berhert. Instead of Nebula incapacitating Yondu to help Taserface's mutiny, she used a communicator to call on Star-Lord, Gamora, and Drax, who with the help of Ego take down the mutineers and take Rocket, Nebula, and Groot with them and restore Yondu's position as Captain. Therefore, this book holds a non-canon status in the Marvel Cinematic Universe franchise.

etc...
I'm not gonna ask people going about their viewing order to pick up and buy a book just for a few chapters and ignore the rest. That's not canon at that point.

That's like eating just the peanut butter out of a PB&J sandwich and throwing away the rest.

Iron Man Manual is not an art book, it's an in universe book similar to Wakanda Files, that has in universe memo's that add to the canon.

It's like the BvS Batmobile schematics book, but with tech specs and notes from Tony.


I also didn't put the MCU timeline book in this timeline because it doesn't function as a story.
Wakanda Files might also fall into that category, but I haven't read it yet so I'll put a pin in that discussion for now.

I'll have to look into the other ones (I have them all physically), but outside of Cosmic Quest I don't believe they conflict with canon. And even then, Cosmic Quest is part of the Road to Infinity War series, so in your own words "Can't pick and choose chapters then throw out the rest, that's not how this works."

You say that like I haven't thought about removing the other Road to Infinity War stuff too. Those don't conflict but I will discuss that at a later point as well. I'm a very busy individual.

I appreciate you keeping the timeline tidy, but just removing entire entries from the timeline without discussing it, is not a good look imo

I try to keep it tidy, I appreciate you recognizing that. My ability to discuss clearly conflicting information as worth keeping in the timeline is secondary to how much you trust me as an editor. I didn't quietly remove it, I gave the update and why I did so. That wasn't good enough as I can see.
But also, I see your reasoning, and I do disagree with most of what you had to say TBH. Hopefully you'll see where I'm coming from but I'm not gonna be a control freak about what stays and what doesn't. I try to keep a consistent rule basis for my decisions.

 

[selfishmisery]

Stuff like schematics or resource books' place in a timeline will probably need to be put outside of it as more "viewing order" exclusive.
Yes, the DCEU timeline does include that little "Playbill" Gotham/Metropolis book, but that is canon due to the BvS flight ads promoting it and a clear point in when this information is given chronologically.

I'll have to see what y'all think.

 

[Slyonic]

It's the same reason I don't put the novelization for Suicide Squad (2016) in the DCEU timeline or the X-Men novels in the X-Men timeline.
Yes, it's extra content but it's also exclusively attached to a one, whole product that is meant to be read with the extra contents as part of these contradicting stories.

By that logic we should remove all the prelude comics as well, since they all come with the original Marvel Comics the movie was inspired by. Or a blu-ray that contains a Team Thor short, or simply deleted scenes.

They're bonus stories, explicitly standalone entries that shouldn't be defined by what product they came with. They should be looked at individually.

There's a reason these were put on the timeline, and other novelizations were not.

 

[Slyonic]

Stuff like schematics or resource books' place in a timeline will probably need to be put outside of it as more "viewing order" exclusive.
Yes, the DCEU timeline does include that little "Playbill" Gotham/Metropolis book, but that is canon due to the BvS flight ads promoting it and a clear point in when this information is given chronologically.

I'll have to see what y'all think.

Both Wakanda Files and Iron Man Manual are not just resource books, they contain a narrative to explain why the resources are collected in the first place.

Iron Man Manual is about JARVIS creating a dossier to help Pepper Potts transition into her CEO position at Stark Industries.

Wakanda Files is about Shuri researching an alternative to the Heart Shaped Herb (which in Wakanda Forever we find out is to save T'Challa).

 

[stphylcccs]

I’d personally keep the bonus stories, yeah, they’re explicitly separate

 

[selfishmisery]

By that logic we should remove all the prelude comics as well, since they all come with the original Marvel Comics the movie was inspired by. Or a blu-ray that contains a Team Thor short, or simply deleted scenes.

They're bonus stories, explicitly standalone entries that shouldn't be defined by what product they came with. They should be looked at individually.

There's a reason these were put on the timeline, and other novelizations were not.

That does not make any sense. You are comparing chapters in a book full of conflicting information to extras on a canon film which do not conflict with each other.

Both Wakanda Files and Iron Man Manual are not just resource books, they contain a narrative to explain why the resources are collected in the first place.

Iron Man Manual is about JARVIS creating a dossier to help Pepper Potts transition into her CEO position at Stark Industries.

Wakanda Files is about Shuri researching an alternative to the Heart Shaped Herb (which in Wakanda Forever we find out is to save T'Challa).

If you insist on the Iron Man Manual, I will look more into it. I think you are also reacting to this out of strong, disillusion with how I do things rather than why.

And then you said “That’s a bad look” as a judge on my character.
Like you said, I am only trying to keep everything tidy. If I had known the outcry for these books I would have discussed it, first but…

I’d personally keep the bonus stories, yeah, they’re explicitly separate

No.

 

[Slyonic]

That does not make any sense. You are comparing chapters in a book full of conflicting information to extras on a canon film which do not conflict with each other.

If you insist on the Iron Man Manual, I will look more into it. I think you are also reacting to this out of strong, disillusion with how I do things rather than why.

And then you said “That’s a bad look” as a judge on my character.
Like you said, I am only trying to keep everything tidy. If I had known the outcry for these books I would have discussed it, first but…

No.

"Full of conflicting information" is just false, and also not the point. It's about whether the bonus stories count as canon or not. The rest of the book has no bearing on a standalone story. And again, the same could be said for (some of) the prelude comics.

And then when people, part of the community that cherish this timeline, give our opinion on the bonus stories, we get "No.". So yes, that IS a bad look.

Everything you've said about these books was discussed in the last thread with Lebnyx, including considerations that are not being discussed now (which is why you should have never removed it without discussing with the rest of the community). Right now it frankly just seems like you read the wiki pages for these books and made a judgement based on that, without reading the books yourself (meaning both the novels and the research books).

Again, I appreciate that you're keeping the timeline intact, truly, and I'm not insisting on anything staying on the timeline, but everything that's already on it was discussed extensively to see whether it should be on the timeline. You can't just remove something because it doesn't fit the rules you set in your other threads. We decided this timeline would be a continuation of previous timelines, with the rules we all accepted as a community.

Adding something to the timeline, or changing placements without discussing is fine imo. But removing something is just a no go. Even if Feige himself came out tomorrow declaring, say, AoS as non canon, that would still require discussion with us all.

 

[selfishmisery]

And then when people, part of the community that cherish this timeline, give our opinion on the bonus stories, we get "No.". So yes, that IS a bad look.

If you think its a bad look, good for you. I don’t care about your opinion towards me and attacking me makes this conversation mute.

Come to me again next week with a clearer thought process and we can talk about this without the needless aspersions.

 

[selfishmisery]

I am willing to listen to anything you have to say in regards to changes.

However, saying I’m giving “a bad look” when I am the most chill I’ve been in ages is just gaslighting and I won’t tolerate that. I’ve done a lot to improve my mental health and yet that isn’t enough.

We will discuss this at a later point.

 

[Pro Bot]

Okay, so there's no fighting here needed from anyone. We can discuss it if needed. Personally, I kind of understand Selfishmisery's point. If those extra stories are going to be set in a specific universe, wouldn't they be the one that they're physically linked to? Though I do think The Wakanda Files and such should be canon.

 

[selfishmisery]

Okay, so there's no fighting here needed from anyone. We can discuss it if needed. Personally, I kind of understand Selfishmisery's point. If those extra stories are going to be set in a specific universe, wouldn't they be the one that they're physically linked to? Though I do think The Wakanda Files and such should be canon.

Thank you.