Burtonverse - Timeline

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This is the timeline for the Batman movies of 1989-1997. The Catwoman movie suggests it's apart of this universe based on a picture of Selina Kyle from Batman Returns. The similar origin of the two versions of Catwoman also implies this.

This seems to be the same universe as Michael Keaton's Batman in The Flash, but it supposedly ignores the Schumacher films. I'm taking that as them still occurring and not being referenced for the sake of completion.

Timeline Reasoning
Bruce Wayne and Alfred look the same age between flashbacks in Batman & Robin and the other films. Bruce is seemingly happy, so I have placed flashbacks before the death of the Waynes, though it's not a definite placement.

Using Michael Keaton's birthday, since he's the most prominent Batman actor, as an indicator of Bruce's age, I have placed the death of Thomas and Martha Wayne when he would be 8 years old. This is an estimation. Using the newspaper about the Wayne's murder in Batman, which is dated October 19 and presumably written the day after they were killed, that particular scene is seemingly set on October 18.

The wake of Thomas and Martha as shown in Batman Forever is between 1-2 weeks after their death.

Penguin was born 33 years before Batman Returns. Assuming that film is in 1992, the flashback takes place in 1959, Christmas time.

Bruce visiting the graves of his parents accompanied by Alfred is an unknown period of time after the Batman Forever flashback, but Bruce still looks quite young.

Batman has several contradictory dates, but in my opinion November 25 is the most prominent and clear date. It's placed in it's year of release.

Batman Returns is set in December, sometime shortly prior to Christmas. It's placed in it's year of release.

Batman Forever is set in October, and the dates are worked back from Halloween. It's placed in it's year of release.

Batman & Robin is set a indeterminate amount of time after Batman Forever. It's placed in it's year of release.

Catwoman is set an independent amount of time after Batman Returns based on Selina Kyle being an existing Catwoman. It's placed in it's year of release.

The Earth-89 scene of Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earths, Part 1" is set on 10 December 2019. Alexander Knox appears, reading a newspaper establishing that Bruce is still Batman and a version of the Joker, possibly a resurrected Jack Napier or successor, is around. This particular scene never happened as the Crisis was averted, and the universe played out identically until this scene in the new multiverse created by Oliver Queen.

The Flash appears to have Michael Keaton returning to the role of Batman after the events of the Batman Anthology. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin will be ignored, but might have still occurred. It has been reported that if he comes back, he'll wear the batsuit, which fits with the newspaper in Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Timeline
1959

????

Batman & Robin Chapter 7 (0:23:43 - 0:23:55)
Batman & Robin Chapter 29 (1:30:14 - 1:30:22)

Batman & Robin Chapter 29 (1:30:23 - 1:30:26) (Sound Only)

October 18
Batman
Chapter 29 (1:30:15 - 1:32:10)

October

Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:45:13 - 0:46:00)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:29:11 - 1:30:53)


December
Batman Returns Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:02:22)
Batman Returns Chapter 2 (0:02:23 - 0:05:30)

1960
????

Batman & Robin Chapter 17 (0:53:11 - 0:53:21)

1989
November 24
Batman Chapter 2 (0:02:33 - 0:07:03)
Batman Chapter 3 (0:07:04 - 0:09:26)
Batman Chapter 4 (0:09:27 - 0:12:21)

November 25
Batman Chapter 5 (0:12:22 - 0:14:41)
Batman Chapter 6 (0:14:42 - 0:17:03)
Batman Chapter 7 (0:17:04 - 0:20:05)
Batman Chapter 8 (0:20:06 - 0:23:57)
Batman Chapter 9 (0:23:58 - 0:27:05)
Batman Chapter 10 (0:27:06 - 0:30:25)

November 26
Batman Chapter 11 (0:30:26 - 0:34:12)
Batman Chapter 12 (0:34:13 - 0:36:13)
Batman Chapter 13 (0:36:14 - 0:38:24)
Batman Chapter 14 (0:38:25 - 0:39:56)

November 27
Batman Chapter 14 (0:39:57 - 0:41:05)
Batman Chapter 15 (0:41:06 - 0:45:06)
Batman Chapter 16 (0:45:07 - 0:48:06)
Batman Chapter 17 (0:48:07 - 0:50:51)
Batman Chapter 18 (0:51:52 - 0:54:18)

November 28
Batman Chapter 19 (0:54:19 - 0:57:53)

November 29
Batman
Chapter 20 (0:57:54 - 0:59:33)
Batman Chapter 21 (0:59:34 - 1:06:37)
Batman Chapter 22 (1:06:38 - 1:12:23)
Batman Chapter 23 (1:12:24 - 1:16:16)

November 30
Batman Chapter 23 (1:16:17 - 1:16:28)
Batman Chapter 24 (1:16:29 - 1:18:18)
Batman Chapter 25 (1:18:19 - 1:21:10)
Batman Chapter 26 (1:21:11 - 1:25:29)
Batman Chapter 27 (1:25:30 - 1:27:24)
Batman Chapter 28 (1:27:25 - 1:29:32)
Batman Chapter 29 (1:29:33 - 1:30:14)
Batman Chapter 29 (1:32:11 - 1:33:57)
Batman Chapter 30 (1:33:58 - 1:35:49)

December 1
Batman
Chapter 31 (1:35:50 - 1:38:15)
Batman Chapter 32 (1:38:16 - 1:42:43)
Batman Chapter 33 (1:42:44 - 1:46:33)
Batman Chapter 34 (1:46:34 - 1:50:10)
Batman Chapter 35 (1:50:11 - 1:53:19)
Batman Chapter 36 (1:53:20 - 1:59:42)
Batman Chapter 37 (1:59:43 - 2:01:29)

1992
December

Batman Returns Chapter 3 (0:05:31 - 0:07:09)
Batman Returns Chapter 4 (0:07:10 - 0:09:22)
Batman Returns Chapter 5 (0:09:23 - 0:12:47)
Batman Returns Chapter 6 (0:12:48 - 0:17:12)
Batman Returns Chapter 7 (0:17:13 - 0:23:11)
Batman Returns Chapter 8 (0:23:12 - 0:25:18)
Batman Returns Chapter 9 (0:25:19 - 0:28:29)
Batman Returns Chapter 10 (0:28:30 - 0:33:50)
Batman Returns Chapter 11 (0:33:51 - 0:40:26)
Batman Returns Chapter 12 (0:40:27 - 0:43:03)
Batman Returns Chapter 13 (0:43:04 - 0:44:11)
Batman Returns Chapter 14 (0:44:12 - 0:48:30)
Batman Returns Chapter 15 (0:48:31 - 0:54:08)
Batman Returns Chapter 16 (0:54:09 - 0:55:47)
Batman Returns Chapter 17 (0:55:48 - 0:57:59)
Batman Returns Chapter 18 (0:58:00 - 0:59:43)
Batman Returns Chapter 19 (0:59:44 - 1:02:15)
Batman Returns Chapter 20 (1:02:16 - 1:07:47)
Batman Returns Chapter 21 (1:07:48 - 1:10:01)
Batman Returns Chapter 22 (1:10:02 - 1:13:08)
Batman Returns Chapter 23 (1:13:09 - 1:17:58)
Batman Returns Chapter 24 (1:17:59 - 1:20:42)
Batman Returns Chapter 25 (1:20:43 - 1:22:29)
Batman Returns Chapter 26 (1:22:30 - 1:26:43)
Batman Returns Chapter 27 (1:26:44 - 1:31:44)
Batman Returns Chapter 28 (1:31:45 - 1:33:47)
Batman Returns Chapter 29 (1:33:48 - 1:38:13)
Batman Returns Chapter 30 (1:38:14 - 1:40:38)
Batman Returns Chapter 31 (1:40:39 - 1:42:43)
Batman Returns Chapter 32 (1:42:44 - 1:44:08)
Batman Returns Chapter 33 (1:44:09 - 1:48:42)
Batman Returns Chapter 34 (1:48:43 - 1:50:45)
Batman Returns Chapter 35 (1:50:46 - 1:53:55)
Batman Returns Chapter 36 (1:54:56 - 1:55:46)
Batman Returns Chapter 37 (1:55:47 - 1:58:21)
Batman Returns Chapter 38 (1:58:22 - 2:00:50)


1995
October 23

Batman Forever Chapter 1 (0:01:10 - 0:02:17)
Batman Forever Chapter 2 (0:02:18 - 0:05:30)
Batman Forever Chapter 3 (0:05:31 - 0:10:10)
Batman Forever Chapter 4 (0:10:11 - 0:12:40)


October 24
Batman Forever Chapter 5 (0:12:41 - 0:16:36)
Batman Forever Chapter 6 (0:16:37 - 0:19:55)
Batman Forever Chapter 7 (0:19:56 - 0:24:51)


October 25
Batman Forever Chapter 8 (0:24:52 - 0:29:09)

October 26
Batman Forever Chapter 9 (0:29:10 - 0:32:56)
Batman Forever Chapter 10 (0:32:57 - 0:41:02)


October 27
Batman Forever Chapter 11 (0:41:03 - 0:44:09)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:44:10 - 0:45:12)
Batman Forever Chapter 12 (0:46:01 - 0:46:51)

Batman Forever Chapter 13 (0:46:52 - 0:48:08)
Batman Forever Chapter 14 (0:48:09 - 0:50:49)
Batman Forever Chapter 15 (0:50:50 - 0:56:48)
Batman Forever Chapter 16 (0:56:49 - 0:56:52)


October 28
Batman Forever Chapter 16 (0:56:53 - 0:58:16)

October 29
Batman Forever Chapter 17 (0:58:17 - 1:00:41)

October 30
Batman Forever Chapter 17 (1:00:42 - 1:01:50)
Batman Forever Chapter 18 (1:01:51 - 1:04:44)
Batman Forever Chapter 19 (1:04:45 - 1:08:37)
Batman Forever Chapter 20 (1:08:38 - 1:10:24)

Batman Forever Chapter 21 (1:10:25 - 1:15:13)
Batman Forever Chapter 22 (1:15:14 - 1:19:55)
Batman Forever Chapter 23 (1:19:56 - 1:21:59)


October 31
Batman Forever Chapter 24 (1:22:00 - 1:24:06)
Batman Forever Chapter 25 (1:24:07 - 1:24:58)
Batman Forever Chapter 26 (1:24:59 - 1:26:17)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:26:18 - 1:29:10)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:29:11 - 1:30:53)
(Sound Only)
Batman Forever Chapter 27 (1:30:54 -1:31:35)
Batman Forever Chapter 28 (1:31:36 - 1:35:50)


November 1
Batman Forever Chapter 29 (1:36:31 - 1:37:24)
Batman Forever Chapter 30 (1:37:25 - 1:39:55)

Batman Forever Chapter 31 (1:39:56 - 1:41:11)
Batman Forever Chapter 32 (1:41:12 - 1:42:53)
Batman Forever Chapter 33 (1:42:54 - 1:44:58)
Batman Forever Chapter 34 (1:44:59 - 1:52:35)
Batman Forever Chapter 35 (1:52:36 - 1:53:44)
Batman Forever Chapter 36 (1:53:45 - 1:54:41)


November
Batman Forever Chapter 37 (1:54:42 - 1:56:03)
Batman Forever Chapter 38 (1:56:04 - 1:57:32)


1997
????

Batman & Robin Chapter 1 (0:01:13 - 0:03:50)
Batman & Robin Chapter 2 (0:03:51 - 0:09:12)
Batman & Robin Chapter 3 (0:09:13 - 0:13:25)
Batman & Robin Chapter 4 (0:13:26 - 0:15:11)
Batman & Robin Chapter 5 (0:15:12 - 0:19:09)
Batman & Robin Chapter 6 (0:19:10 - 0:21:00)
Batman & Robin Chapter 7 (0:21:01 - 0:23:42)
Batman & Robin Chapter 7 (0:23:56 - 0:24:03)
Batman & Robin Chapter 8 (0:24:04 - 0:26:35)
Batman & Robin Chapter 9 (0:26:36 - 0:29:12)
Batman & Robin Chapter 10 (0:29:13 - 0:31:41)
Batman & Robin Chapter 11 (0:31:42 - 0:33:58)
Batman & Robin Chapter 12 (0:33:59 - 0:38:41)
Batman & Robin Chapter 13 (0:38:42 - 0:39:54)
Batman & Robin Chapter 14 (0:39:55 - 0:45:31)
Batman & Robin Chapter 15 (0:45:32 - 0:48:47)
Batman & Robin Chapter 16 (0:48:48 - 0:50:53)
Batman & Robin Chapter 17 (0:50:54 - 0:53:10)
Batman & Robin Chapter 17 (0:53:22 - 0:54:27)

Batman & Robin Chapter 18 (0:54:28 - 0:56:23)
Batman & Robin Chapter 19 (0:56:24 - 0:59:29)
Batman & Robin Chapter 20 (0:59:30 - 1:01:04)
Batman & Robin Chapter 21 (1:01:05 - 1:06:00)
Batman & Robin Chapter 22 (1:06:01 - 1:07:47)

Batman & Robin Chapter 23 (1:07:48 - 1:12:16)
Batman & Robin Chapter 24 (1:12:17 - 1:16:00)
Batman & Robin Chapter 25 (1:16:01 - 1:20:16)
Batman & Robin Chapter 26 (1:20:17 - 1:22:59)
Batman & Robin Chapter 27 (1:23:00 - 1:25:40)
Batman & Robin Chapter 28 (1:25:41 - 1:28:47)
Batman & Robin Chapter 29 (1:28:48 - 1:30:13)
Batman & Robin Chapter 29 (1:30:23 - 1:32:01)
Batman & Robin Chapter 30 (1:32:02 - 1:33:24)
Batman & Robin Chapter 31 (1:33:25 - 1:35:15)

Batman & Robin Chapter 32 (1:35:16 - 1:36:24)
Batman & Robin Chapter 33 (1:36:25 - 1:41:20)
Batman & Robin Chapter 34 (1:41:21 - 1:44:21)
Batman & Robin Chapter 35 (1:44:22 - 1:48:31)
Batman & Robin Chapter 36 (1:48:32 - 1:49:53)
Batman & Robin Chapter 37 (1:49:54 - 1:51:43)
Batman & Robin Chapter 38 (1:51:44 - 1:53:33)
Batman & Robin Chapter 39 (1:53:34 - 1:56:28)
Batman & Robin Chapter 40 (1:56:29 - 1:57:25)
Batman & Robin Chapter 41 (1:57:26 - 1:50:40)


2004
????

Catwoman Chapter 2 (0:03:51 - 0:07:35)
Catwoman Chapter 3 (0:07:36 - 0:11:43)
Catwoman Chapter 4 (0:11:44 - 0:15:37)
Catwoman Chapter 5 (0:15:38 - 0:20:32)
Catwoman Chapter 2 (0:03:24 - 0:03:50)
Catwoman Chapter 6 (0:20:33 - 0:24:05)
Catwoman Chapter 7 (0:24:06 - 0:26:28)
Catwoman Chapter 8 (0:26:29 - 0:28:47)
Catwoman Chapter 9 (0:28:48 - 0:31:59)
Catwoman Chapter 10 (0:32:00 - 0:34:49)
Catwoman Chapter 11 (0:34:50 - 0:37:26)
Catwoman Chapter 12 (0:37:27 - 0:40:24)
Catwoman Chapter 13 (0:40:25 - 0:44:40)
Catwoman Chapter 14 (0:44:41 - 0:49:01)
Catwoman Chapter 15 (0:49:02 - 0:52:56)
Catwoman Chapter 16 (0:52:57 - 0:55:34)
Catwoman Chapter 17 (0:55:35 - 0:57:59)
Catwoman Chapter 18 (0:58:00 - 1:01:15)
Catwoman Chapter 19 (1:01:16 - 1:03:27)
Catwoman Chapter 20 (1:03:28 - 1:07:29)
Catwoman Chapter 21 (1:07:30 - 1:11:14)
Catwoman Chapter 22 (1:11:15 - 1:14:38)
Catwoman Chapter 23 (1:14:39 - 1:17:27)
Catwoman Chapter 24 (1:17:28 - 1:20:41)
Catwoman Chapter 25 (1:20:42 - 1:22:58)
Catwoman Chapter 26 (1:22:59 - 1:25:00)
Catwoman Chapter 27 (1:25:01 - 1:28:00)
Catwoman Chapter 28 (1:28:01 - 1:33:01)
Catwoman Chapter 29 (1:33:02 - 1:34:29)


2019
December 10

Supergirl 5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earth: Part 1" (0:01:28 - 0:01:42) (Pre-Crisis)

2022
????

The Flash** (June 3, 2022)

Viewing Order
Batman

Batman Returns
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin
Catwoman
Supergirl
5x09, "Crisis on Infinite Earth: Part 1"
The Flash** (June 3, 2022)
 
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For the purpose of this timeline, if Michael Keaton signs on as Batman, I'll include that as apart of this universe regardless of whether they ignore Batman Forever and Batman & Robin unless they contradict those events beyond saving. I'll have to separate them if that happens, which means Batman and Batman Returns would be considered happening twice on two different universes, like with Superman I-II.

An example of how this would work:
Not a contradiction
  • Showing the Batmobile from the Burton films but not the Schumacher films. (Multiple Batmobiles)
  • Showing the Batsuits from the Burton films but not the Schumacher films. (Multiple Batsuits)
  • Having the Batcave look like the Burton films and not the Schumacher films. (Different parts of the cave/renovation/X-Men does it too)
  • Having Barbara Gordon instead of Barbara Williams. (Could be two different people)
  • Using a different actor to portray a character from the Schumacher films. (Unless they're dead)
  • Batman still kills. (Pushing it)
  • Batman says he works alone. (Dick became Nightwing, Barbara killed/retired/paralysed etc.)

Contradiction
  • Showing Val Kilmer or George Clooney as a separate Batman in the multiverse.
  • Having Billy Dee Williams appear with his face intact. (Already pushing it with his implied death)
  • Batman mentions never having a sidekick/partner.
Essentially, they really have to commit to separate them. If enough "iffy" stuff happens that's not a contradiction alone, that may be enough.

I'll also include any appearance by that Batman on the viewing order too.

I hope they just reference them as jokes. Something like "we don't talk about the mid-late 90s" or something referring to his odd wardrobe choices.
 
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I'm watching '89, and a Newspaper at the start has the date November 25, then another November 14, then November 7 in that order.

Based on this, I'm going with:
November 25 is correct
November 14 is incorrect
November 6 is incorrect, but is taken as December 6 because of a short time jump since Joker unleashed his "product"

Is this fair?

Also, did some math to work out when Thomas and Martha were murdered using Michael Keaton's age, since he's the original and most prominent Batman actor, and I'm surprised how close the flashbacks are.

Theres a newspaper reporting on the event dated what looks like October 19th. Since it happened at night, I'd assume it would have been released the following day, pacing in on October 18th.
 
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I'm watching '89, and a Newspaper at the start has the date November 25, then another November 14, then November 7 in that order.

Based on this, I'm going with:
November 25 is correct
November 14 is incorrect
November 6 is incorrect, but is taken as December 6 because of a short time jump since Joker unleashed his laughing "product"

Is this fair?
Which one is this one? Was this in the movie?
 

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Which one is this one? Was this in the movie?
Chapter 6: November 25
Chapter 20: November 14
Chapter 24: November 7

I haven't seen that one.

I have noticed how much the film wants to be 1947, however.

This film is all kinds of contradictory. It does seem to be mostly consistently set in November, at least.

Edit:
Chapter 11: Batman foils Robbery

No close up on the newspaper, so I think that one can be discarded.

Chapter 14: WFTGG

This one is more clear, but it's just not as concrete as the other more clear dates.

So:
Chapter 6: November 25
Chapter 11: October 18
Chapter 14: November 11
Chapter 20: November 14
Chapter 24: November 7

Definitely November.
 
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Timeline updated. Once I do the Chapters for Catwoman, that's it for 2 years, assuming Michael Keaton returns to the role as planned.
 

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So it will basically be like superman returns where superman 3 and 4 were not mentioned.
Possibly. For the purpose of this timeline, I'm gonna include it all until that is fully 100% clear and The Flash is incompatible with those films.

It's confirmed the Schumacher films are in Earth-89, per Crisis aftermath and a review about Catwoman on the official DC YouTube channel, and it's confirmed they're disregarding them according to TheWrap. I'm assuming that The Flash will have Keaton come from Earth-89.

I can think of a couple explanations.
1. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin are retroactively a different Earth, say Earth-95, where Batman and Batman Returns happened but The Flash didn't.

2. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin still happened but are ignored for the sake of them being unpopular. (My hope)

3. Keaton comes from a different universe (imagine Earth-96, would be awesome) where the Schumacher films didn't happen.

4. In the new multiverse after Crisis, Earth-89 diverged after 1992 into the reality that is shown in The Flash, even though they hinted that the universes are restored to their original history (I assume Oliver felt sorry for Clark in Earth-96).

I'm holding out till 2022. It's a long time, anything could happen. I've seen possibly completely false reports that it's just a cameo, and if that's the case, it's basically the same Batman. If he has a substantial role, it depends. I guess the only thing that could really separate them is if he says that Two-Face is still around dispite his death in Batman Forever, though I suppose if Joker is alive anyone could be.

On a smaller note, if Superman Returns didn't contradict Superman III, I'd include them as the same continuity, especially because of the Superman III reference in Crisis, but they can't be because Martha Kent died in Superman III.
 
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