DC's Non-DCAU Animated Timelines

selfishmisery said:
These are characters with no consistent backstory and a show with no continuity.

Whatever they reference in TTG regarding any other DC animation property is gibberish. The crossover with TT the original show is probably all you need for non-"Fifth Dimension"-esque logic or continuity.
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I think I'm going to agree with you on this. I was driving myself mad trying to include every episode of Teen Titans Go that's even slightly referenced including character references. This means including every single episode that features Trigon and Santa Claus. But the lack of continuity in that show is driving me insane so I think I'm just going to discard all those episodes and call it a day.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
I think I'm going to agree with you on this. I was driving myself mad trying to include every episode of Teen Titans Go that's even slightly referenced including character references. This means including every single episode that features Trigon and Santa Claus. But the lack of continuity in that show is driving me insane so I think I'm just going to discard all those episodes and call it a day.
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Yeah that show is set in a realm devoid of logic and, like the definition of the Fifth Dimension, run on "pure imagination".
 
selfishmisery said:
Yeah that show is set in a realm devoid of logic and, like the definition of the Fifth Dimension, run on "pure imagination".
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If interested, here is my "Earth-2003" viewing order. It includes The Batman, Legion Of Superheroes and Teen Titans. I see no reason why the three of them, which all aired the same time, were separate from the DCAU and featured similar tones and art styles, cannot share a DC universe.
 
I just found a really cool easter egg in Episode 1.05 of Legion Of Superheroes "Champions".

In the center of the main arena, there's a banner that reads in Interlac: "Batman Lives".

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I guess that means the hologram technology that Bruce developed in "Artifacts" is still being used OR there is an unknown successor that took up the mantle by the time of the 31st century. Very cool nod either way.

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Dallas Kinard said:
I just found a really cool easter egg in Episode 1.05 of Legion Of Superheroes "Champions".

In the center of the main arena, there's a banner that reads in Interlac: "Batman Lives".

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I guess that means the hologram technology that Bruce developed in "Artifacts" is still being used OR there is an unknown successor that took up the mantle by the time of the 31st century. Very cool nod either way.

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You mentioned that you're including Legion of Superheroes in your version of the The Batman/Teen Titans Universe. Is there abything connecting there, other than the similar tone/style/realease? Just curios
 
Zeitschiene said:
You mentioned that you're including Legion of Superheroes in your version of the The Batman/Teen Titans Universe. Is there abything connecting there, other than the similar tone/style/realease? Just curios
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Nothing super concrete that makes it 100% absolutely positively connected. But in this post I go over some of the little bits of evidence that I think could absolutely make it work. I will say that it's very similar to Teen Titans in that it's about a young group of heroes with one major popular character in this case being Superman instead of Robin. Other than small little nods at the larger DC universe there really isn't anything that I can say absolutely connects them (the flip side there's nothing that contradicts that I could find either).

However they both are DC productions, they aired around the same time and feature tonal and aesthetic similarities. I guarantee you when these three shows were airing there were plenty of young kids that assumed that they were all connected since they were DC shows that shared similar art styles and tones. Once you get an understanding that this is all fiction and Canon can be whatever you want it to be as long as there aren't illogical contradictions it's a freeing experience my friend. This is why creative like James Gunn are so hesitant to outright claim what is and isn't Canon. It's far more fun when you can believe what you want to believe without such strict adherence to "rules"

Edit: if that link doesn't work just scroll back to page two towards the top and you'll see the post
 
Looking it up, Batman was depicted in an Legion of Superheroes Tie-In Comic, and he wears a different suit

@Dallas Kinard I'm aware that you don't count tie-in comics, and yes, a suit change can 100% still fit. Just wanted to point it out for completion's sake

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Zeitschiene said:
Looking it up, Batman was depicted in an Legion of Superheroes Tie-In Comic, and he wears a different suit

@Dallas Kinard I'm aware that you don't count tie-in comics, and yes, a suit change can 100% still fit. Just wanted to point it out for completion's sake

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I actually see no issues with this. Batman looks like The Batman and Martian Manhunter looks like he does in The Batman. Flash was introduced in The Batman too. John Stewart was never referenced, but could have easily existed. Same with Wonder Woman

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In fact, Wonder Woman was supposed to show up in The Batman but never did. She was designed though.

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selfishmisery said:
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I will separate them after 1.) you admit Lois & Clark isn't connected to the Burtonverse and 2.) You separate those.
It's only fair.
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Lois & Clark released at the same time as the Tim Burton Batman films, referenced Batman and Gotham City, used the same Batmobile and, most importantly, used the same theme music in the scene with the Batmobile. Batman also had a new Batmobile in Batman Forever, which works with it getting stolen in Lois & Clark (assuming it got fixed up after Batman Returns).

That's actually a direct connection unlike with Teen Titans and The Batman, which actually have no connection to one another.

I think it's very hypocritical of you to count Human Target as part of the Donnerverse because of a comic that no one read but to discount Lois & Clark despite it actually occurring within the show.

Edit: that was an old comment, not a new one. My apologies, I'm a dumbass and feel a bit shitty for that.
 
Pro Bot said:
Lois & Clark released at the same time as the Tim Burton Batman films, referenced Batman and Gotham City, used the same Batmobile and, most importantly, used the same theme music in the scene with the Batmobile. Batman also had a new Batmobile in Batman Forever, which works with it getting stolen in Lois & Clark (assuming it got fixed up after Batman Returns).

That's actually a direct connection unlike with Teen Titans and The Batman, which actually have no connection to one another.
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Not trying to argue but The Batman released at the same time Teen Titans was on the air. Teen Titans referenced Batman, Wayne Enterprises and Gotham City, has a similar animation style and has a major character connection with Dick Grayson as Robin in both shows, with similar character designs and equipment. I think it's fair to say the average general audience assumed both DC shows were set in the same universe at the time and as I've laid out, there is no reason they can't.
 
There's no reason why they can't, but there's an actual tangible, undeniable connection between Lois & Clark and the Batman films (Batmobile + Danny Elfman theme), unlike with Teen Titans and The Batman. I do think they work well together, don't get me wrong.
 
Pro Bot said:
There's no reason why they can't, but there's an actual tangible, undeniable connection between Lois & Clark and the Batman films (Batmobile + Danny Elfman theme), unlike with Teen Titans and The Batman. I do think they work well together, don't get me wrong.
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Right and I don't disagree with you about Lois and Clark. In my opinion, the two Burton films are canon to the DCEU multiverse. I know some people say that The Flash doesn't feature the Burtonverse, but I think it's way better if it does for pay-off.

Edit: To be fair, the Burton theme is played in Justice League 2017, so music doesn't always count.
 
Continuing my evidence for how The Batman connects with Teen Titans, there are some characters that appear in Teen Titans that have implications for other existing characters in this universe.

First up is Speedy. Speedy's real name is not given in the Teen Titans series, but his appearance is clearly based on that of Roy Harper. While not explicitly stated in the show, comic fans know that Speedy is the side-kick of Green Arrow.

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The Batman introduced us to Green Arrow and gave us his origin story. Speedy wasn't present, and may not have been active at this time. In the comics, The reason that Green Arrow and Speedy stopped working together was because, in Arrow's absence, Speedy became a heroin addict. After his recovery, Speedy made it his mission in life to battle drug lords and pushers. It's possible this is why Speedy is working with the Titans and Arrow isn't mentioned. In my timeline The Batman episode "Vertigo" takes place three years before the Teen Titans episode "Winner Take All", where Speedy first appears.

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Next up we have Kid Flash. Kid Flash was voiced by Michael Rosenbaum, who was the voice of Wally West/Flash in the DCAU Justice League series. This lends more to the fact that this version of the character is none other than Wally West, the first and original Kid Flash. Kid Flash is one of the few characters in the series to fully resemble his comic counterpart. The Flash was alluded to in the episode "Lightspeed", when Kid Flash said "I work alone these days" referencing his partnership with the original Flash.

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The Flash was first introduced in The Batman's fifth season. According to the DC Wiki, Barry Allen is under the mask. Alan Burnett said that he sees the character as the Barry Allen version, though scripts left it up to the viewer.

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However, the biography of his action figure states that his identity is Wally West. Due to crew statements usually being more reliable than merchandise, the wiki considers him to be Barry Allen, as do I and most of the fandom.

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In this universe, Robin has worked with all of these characters, which gives him a cool connection to both Mentor and Side-kick.

Finally, we have kind of an oddball. Kyd Wykkyd, who clearly based his suit on The Batman's. Kyd Wykkyd was created exclusively for the Teen Titans TV series. The directors stated that they wanted a cool bad guy, so they made Kyd Wykkyd.

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Other than aesthetics/costume design, the implication is he was inspired by The Dark Knight's look. Not much else to go on. Suit comparison:

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