Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (continued)

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Peter didn't do anything to change the course of events that lead to the remainder of the film. Hitler....well, Wade just picked him and cradled him briefly.
I mean that the timeline must have been changed because Peter was dead and now he's alive. I'm aware Wade never killed Hitler, but I mean to say if we can say, 90 years before X-Men Origins: Wolverine, Earth-41633's Deadpool changed Hitler's diapers?
What I'm saying is yes, that IS an altered timeline. Ripples make slight meaningless little changes that weren't there before in the current timeline, but MAJOR waves of changes cause branches.
So the timeline of Earth-41633 is altered so that Deadpool held Hitler and Peter is alive? My interpretation is that they are separate timelines but where the events played out exactly. For example, it's confirmed that the Sacred Timeline is a collection of timelines that all follow the same general events, Earth-199999 being one of them, which is presumably where HWR came from.

So, in the X-Men timeline, Peter being alive is an alternate timeline where the events play out exactly the same, just like when Cable went back in time to save Deadpool. Baby Hitler is probably a similar case. David Haller in Legion 3x03 might be the same for that universe, since the changes were miniscule, unless it's a closed loop.
I wasn't disagreeing with you btw @Pro Bot :p
Bro, I love these types of discussions. Don't worry about it.
 
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Honestly, I said it before but it doesn't take less than a week to get to Clint. He's an Avenger and hung out with Nat, and worked for SHIELD, who helped set up his farm away from the hero life. Evan as Ronin he was able to remain stealthy for 5 years. How on Earth would it make any sense for Yelena to magically get hired, find Clint, discover who hired her isn't the client, research the person WHO HIRED THE PERSON to hire her, figure out that she had a daughter, research her, get to NYC, with a plan to take him down, all in the span of what...2 days? I honestly can't buy it. Assassin's need time to complete their contracts, that almost universal in every assassin film ever made. It's far more believable in canon, that she was hired at least a month beforehand if not several months beforehand and took that time to get her plan together and do all that research.
This is what Wiki had to say about it.

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So this confirms that BW was shot before TFATWS and is intended to be Val's introduction. To me, that's solid evidence to place it in April of 2024 before TFATWS due to the spring weather. Val is also wearing the exact same clothes she wears in TFATWS so who knows how far apart the scenes are timeline-wise.
 

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Just going to remind everyone that Fury told Carol in the 90's that he doesn't like diagonally cut sandwiches, and yet in Age of Ultron...he cuts his sandwich diagonally. Talos may have been doubling Fury for far longer than the blip.
Fury could have easily changed his "views" on sandwich cutting in 20 years. Of course, the obvious answer is they didn't know or planned for that Captain Marvel line back when filming Age of Ultron. Either way, I feel like Talos has only been Fury since after Tony's funeral, similar to what Jon Watts said.

This is what Wiki had to say about it.

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So this confirms that BW was shot before TFATWS and is intended to be Val's introduction. To me, that's solid evidence to place it in April of 2024 before TFATWS due to the spring weather. Val is also wearing the exact same clothes she wears in TFATWS so who knows how far apart the scenes are timeline-wise.
Just because it was intended to be her introduction, doesn't mean the scene was meant to take place prior to TFATWS. I'm one that tends to go for using weather to help place events in the timeline, but I feel like Hawkeye heavily implied the scene is set around it. Could that be a retcon? Maybe, but it isn't the first time the MCU has done it.
 

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Fury could have easily changed his "views" on sandwich cutting in 20 years. Of course, the obvious answer is they didn't know or planned for that Captain Marvel line back when filming Age of Ultron. Either way, I feel like Talos has only been Fury since after Tony's funeral, similar to what Jon Watts said.


Just because it was intended to be her introduction, doesn't mean the scene was meant to take place prior to TFATWS. I'm one that tends to go for using weather to help place events in the timeline, but I feel like Hawkeye heavily implied the scene is set around it. Could that be a retcon? Maybe, but it isn't the first time the MCU has done it.
Well, we at least know the scene was shot early in the year (2020), which matches the cool, spring weather of late March/early April.

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I mean okay, sure the scene was shot at that time, but It's explicitly stated by the director that the post-credit scene is very close to the events of Hawkeye. I really feel like this later intention has to be taken into account.

Also placing it in Spring raises too many questions. So Yelena spent 8 months just waiting on the contract? Also, in the show its firmly stated that Elena Bishop is the one who arranged for the assassination after the events of the opening episode.

I mean, if the scene takes place in April, then that means that some mystery villain hires a contract on Yelena, Yelena then sits on it for 8 months, until she gets a second contract from Elena and finally decides to jump on it.

I get that the scene being shot in spring is quite incongruent with a Winter setting, but I feel like all the evidence is pretty clear around this.
 

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I mean okay, sure the scene was shot at that time, but It's explicitly stated by the director that the post-credit scene is very close to the events of Hawkeye. I really feel like this later intention has to be taken into account.

Also placing it in Spring raises too many questions. So Yelena spent 8 months just waiting on the contract? Also, in the show its firmly stated that Elena Bishop is the one who arranged for the assassination after the events of the opening episode.

I mean, if the scene takes place in April, then that means that some mystery villain hires a contract on Yelena, Yelena then sits on it for 8 months, until she gets a second contract from Elena and finally decides to jump on it.

I get that the scene being shot in spring is quite incongruent with a Winter setting, but I feel like all the evidence is pretty clear around this.
What about what Fuzzyfoot said? "How on Earth would it make any sense for Yelena to magically get hired, find Clint, discover who hired her isn't the client, research the person WHO HIRED THE PERSON to hire her, figure out that she had a daughter, research her, get to NYC, with a plan to take him down, all in the span of what...2 days? I honestly can't buy it. Assassin's need time to complete their contracts, that almost universal in every assassin film ever made. It's far more believable in canon, that she was hired at least a month beforehand if not several months beforehand and took that time to get her plan together and do all that research."
 

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What about what Fuzzyfoot said? "How on Earth would it make any sense for Yelena to magically get hired, find Clint, discover who hired her isn't the client, research the person WHO HIRED THE PERSON to hire her, figure out that she had a daughter, research her, get to NYC, with a plan to take him down, all in the span of what...2 days? I honestly can't buy it. Assassin's need time to complete their contracts, that almost universal in every assassin film ever made. It's far more believable in canon, that she was hired at least a month beforehand if not several months beforehand and took that time to get her plan together and do all that research."
I mean I've had to suspend my disbelief way more in the MCU. I just think it's pretty clear that with Hawkeye, they intended the scene to be pretty close to the events of the show.
 

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I mean I've had to suspend my disbelief way more in the MCU. I just think it's pretty clear that with Hawkeye, they intended the scene to be pretty close to the events of the show.
Eh, if it can feasibly work, then I'll suspend MY disbelief that the scene in question could have occurred eight months before-hand. Either way is messy so it's subjective.
 

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Just going to remind everyone that Fury told Carol in the 90's that he doesn't like diagonally cut sandwiches, and yet in Age of Ultron...he cuts his sandwich diagonally. Talos may have been doubling Fury for far longer than the blip.
I believe it was confirmed in an interview that Fury has been Fury in all installments until Far From Home.
 

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Eh, if it can feasibly work, then I'll suspend MY disbelief that the scene in question could have occurred eight months before-hand. Either way is messy so it's subjective.
Honestly, there are things I don't agree with on this timeline, quite a few in fact, but I keep my own timeline that makes more sense to me. Moving the post credits of BW is one of those things. It's just something I've come to terms with here over the years. My own timeline tries to account for the logic rather than what a director says here or there, a prop, etc. Does this thing make sense here before this other thing or does it make more sense here after this third thing. If I watch the MCU, I want it to logically make sense both to me and new viewers I show it to. I don't want to have to say something like, 'well they shot it during this time, but covid and the director says its this now.' That doesn't work for me. So I put the BW post credits far earlier as it makes more logical sense earlier.
 

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