Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (continued)

JudgeDreddpool said:
Long-time lurker, first-time commenter here. Love the work that you guys have been doing here and with other timelines (heck, that Slasherverse timeline you're working on @Pro Bot got me interested in watching some of those films, and I'm not big on slasher films). Either way, keep up the work. :)

If I had to take a wild guess...
the reason for the suit being recoloured might be because of the events of Daredevil's third season and what with Pointdexter using the original DD suit on Fisk's orders to impersonate Daredevil and turn people against him. As such, it would make sense for Matt to have the suit recoloured so people aren't reminded of those events.
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First off welcome! I love your name, Judge Dreddpool is just great.

On the costume thing I think it's it's more likely they'll explain the costume change like they do most MCU costume changes between projects and just not explain it at all. Unless we see the suit update happen within the project they usually just leave it without explaining. But that's just me.
 
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Rman said:
Maybe plans changed and they figured it'd be easier and less restricting to just have it be its own thing.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it always was. Hollywood has a way of 'lying' to fans to keep them happy. When they announced Phase 4, and What If as the 4th show if I'm not mistaken, they said it was canon sure. But then they missed an opportunity to use Supreme Strange in DS2, which I doubt was a missed opportunity. Then they said Carter in DS2 was not the same Carter in What If. Gunn's mentions of Groot's canonicity, Freshman Year at least looking like it's not canon, which could change sure.

It feels more and more like they were asked to do an animated series for D+ and at the time, meaning in 2019, there was only one show. Now that they have at least 4 they moved them into their own panel and threw canonicity questions at all of them. They are at the very least MCU adjacent, as the kids say these days.
 
fuzzyfoot said:
They are at the very least MCU adjacent, as the kids say these days.
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Every time I hear "adjacent" I feel like it's the creator's not wanting to commit anything to hard canon because of how heated the topic has become in recent years. It's always safer to say "adjacent" than outright canon so they can retcon if they want to. Why are people SO concerned with canon? I just don't understand. We're talking about fictional universes here after all.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Why are people SO concerned with canon? I just don't understand. We're talking about fictional universes here after all.
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Well idk about everyone else but for me I'm concerned with canon for a few reasons.

First is because I'm a timeline nut like most people here and I like to know what to place in the timeline and where to place it as accurately as possible.

Second is because the MCU's whole thing is "Everything Is Connected" so having connected content like I Am Groot be non canon (which I still don't think is legit and is just Gunn fucking around and everyone taking him too seriously) is kinda annoying when it's done for no reason.

Third is more personal, but because the MCU is a bit of a tradition in my house here. When my wife and I first started dating it was around when Infinity War was releasing but she hadn't seen many of the films, so we binged them one a day leading up to the film. And then again for Endgame cause it was fun. And then again in 2020 cause nothing else was there for fun. And in 2021 and 2022 it stuck as a thing we do around May every year. So what's part of this tradition is something I like to know

Fourth is being clear on what is or is not canon in such an expansive cinematic universe is kinda important, shits already confusing for the average fan let alone the newcommers. Being clear one what is or isn't part of the franchise is something that should just be a basic thing.

I know we're talking about a fictional universe here but I don't see how that should matter, afterall this is a place to discuss fictional universe if we're going to do that we should know what's part of that fictional universe.
 
fuzzyfoot said:
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it always was. Hollywood has a way of 'lying' to fans to keep them happy. When they announced Phase 4, and What If as the 4th show if I'm not mistaken, they said it was canon sure. But then they missed an opportunity to use Supreme Strange in DS2, which I doubt was a missed opportunity. Then they said Carter in DS2 was not the same Carter in What If. Gunn's mentions of Groot's canonicity, Freshman Year at least looking like it's not canon, which could change sure.

It feels more and more like they were asked to do an animated series for D+ and at the time, meaning in 2019, there was only one show. Now that they have at least 4 they moved them into their own panel and threw canonicity questions at all of them. They are at the very least MCU adjacent, as the kids say these days.
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I mean What If is still canon, they said from the beginning they were going to be tales from the multiverse and they may not take place in the MCU but they are clearly still part of the MCU franchise. I don't think it was a missed opportunity to use Strange Supreme as he is not a villainous chatacter by any means and his current job of watching over Infinity Ultron kinda has nothing to do with the Sinister Strange's role. I Am Groot is canon, Gunn is just fucking around, there is no way Marvel is setting that on Earth-π.

The only one that seems to have changed is Freshman Year and based in the photo of Norman Osborn being in Peter's apartment with Aunt May directly mirroring Tony in Civil War I think it is still going to share some inspiration at least or as you said is "adjacent" to it but has still been moved to a separate timeline unfortunately. What If and I Am Groot are definitely part of the MCU franchise, What If and Marvel Zombies sharing timelines branched directly from it.
 
Lebnyx said:
I placed Multiverse of Madness in November 2024 because all the shots of Strange's watch are dated to November. I didn't add specific days because they are inconsistent (Nov 23 at the beginning, Nov 13 at the end).
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What's the consensus on this?

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Dallas Kinard said:
What's the consensus on this?

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Little fun fact, Another thing that needed to be changed was America Chavez was supposed to be included as shown through concept art. But since she was written out they used Ned to create portals instead.

On the placem while it's for sure that the film was supposed to be set before NWH things changed. I don't think November is fully accurate as the watch does say that date but as mentioned the days don't line up and it also says 2021 so it's not the best source, tho it still could work. The director said it was about a couple months after NWH but people in those positions have been wrong before like with Eternals (tho this lines up with the 838 Palmer's screen having Feburary dates tho they very well could've travelled in time as well as Multiverses tho I find that less likely myself). The weather and fact many of the trees have just started turning orange says early fall not late, likely when the film was supposed to be taking place before NWH. Personally I find all the timeline placement details on this film too inconsistent so I go with what the director said with the couple months later thing and place it in February 2025 myself and just have to ignore the other issues thanks to covid and Sony changing the plan while filming. But I'd say for this one it's really going to have to be up to whatever you personally think is best
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Every time I hear "adjacent" I feel like it's the creator's not wanting to commit anything to hard canon because of how heated the topic has become in recent years. It's always safer to say "adjacent" than outright canon so they can retcon if they want to. Why are people SO concerned with canon? I just don't understand. We're talking about fictional universes here after all.
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You're right, and I should have used the word continuity instead. We've discussed many times on here that everything is canon, and with other universes now playing a part, it's harder to ignore that even if there are things some fans don't like. I guess what I meant is that the animated wing of the MCU will be painted in the same light as AOS or C&D or Inhumans to some of these fans due to how they've handled revealing things.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
What's the consensus on this?

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If you go by earlier releases such as Homecoming and FFH, and the original release schedule of Phase 4, yeah I can absolutely see NWH being after DS2 as NWH would have probably come out closer to July 2021 after DS2. I also believe at that time it would have been a different movie because we aren't privy to WHEN Tobey and Andrew and everyone else came aboard. It's entirely possible that the film shifted course as they started locking down legacy characters.
 
we shouldn’t rely too heavily on scrapped details, we know from the movie it has to be at least after NWH from Strange’s conversation with America, however now i don’t now what to think about MoM; i went with November from the watch but if the dates themselves don’t line up then I’m not sure how reliable that is, and behind the scenes creator’s comments aren’t always reliable either (Moore on Eternals) so i think either placement November or Feb-March will work for now until we get further context regarding clea’s appearance and the next time we see Strange
 
2chainzrules24 said:
we shouldn’t rely too heavily on scrapped details, we know from the movie it has to be at least after NWH from Strange’s conversation with America, however now i don’t now what to think about MoM; i went with November from the watch but if the dates themselves don’t line up then I’m not sure how reliable that is, and behind the scenes creator’s comments aren’t always reliable either (Moore on Eternals) so i think either placement November or Feb-March will work for now until we get further context regarding clea’s appearance and the next time we see Strange
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I agree with this, it's definitely set after NWH. But November or February I'd say is up to personal choice at this point. Hopefully another project will come along soon and reference how long it's been since MoM lol
 
So Geekritique released a video for Ms. Marvel if anyone's interested. Basically he places it around Sep/Oct at the start of the school year and says the holidays being at the wrong times are likely just about having more representation of the culture at the cost of accuracy. He also had a bit at the end about when the Partition scenes take place and the flashbacks to the great-grandmother's life, tho that seemed to be more theories.

In short he thinks Sep/Oct near the start of the school year and nothing we already didn't know here. Something notable tho is AvengersCon features some easter eggs and one confirms the events of Endgame happen October 2023 so that's neat.

 
Arrowhead said:
Little fun fact, Another thing that needed to be changed was America Chavez was supposed to be included as shown through concept art. But since she was written out they used Ned to create portals instead.

On the placem while it's for sure that the film was supposed to be set before NWH things changed. I don't think November is fully accurate as the watch does say that date but as mentioned the days don't line up and it also says 2021 so it's not the best source, tho it still could work. The director said it was about a couple months after NWH but people in those positions have been wrong before like with Eternals (tho this lines up with the 838 Palmer's screen having Feburary dates tho they very well could've travelled in time as well as Multiverses tho I find that less likely myself). The weather and fact many of the trees have just started turning orange says early fall not late, likely when the film was supposed to be taking place before NWH. Personally I find all the timeline placement details on this film too inconsistent so I go with what the director said with the couple months later thing and place it in February 2025 myself and just have to ignore the other issues thanks to covid and Sony changing the plan while filming. But I'd say for this one it's really going to have to be up to whatever you personally think is best
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Raimi and anyone working on this movie never said it was a couple of months later. Fandango just wrote it on an interview with him making it seem like he did. The only timeline evidence in the movie is November on the watch and fall weather.
 
Troutlaw said:
Raimi and anyone working on this movie never said it was a couple of months later. Fandango just wrote it on an interview with him making it seem like he did. The only timeline evidence in the movie is November on the watch and fall weather.
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Well that may have been information given to them during the interview, seems like random stuff to say without any sources while conducting an interview but fair enough (on that note a complete plot leak from a few months before NWH even released that was largely right outside of things we know were cut, like Mordo being killed at the start, also said the film picks up a couple months after NWH so interesting coincidence there).

Ignoring the couple months after comment it's still not the only evidence. The November date on the watch still says 2020 and the days shown are never in order so if the year and day are not very accurate then likely neither is the month. The fall weather implies early fall not end of fall near winter as many trees still have green leaves or are just turning orange as shown around Palmer's wedding church and Kamar-Taj, which lines up far more with the film releasing before NWH. There is a Feburary date seen on a computer screen on Earth-838 which lines up with the a couple months after comment, so November is not the only timeline evidence. It's all very conflicting overall, the interview can't be trusted, the watch can't be trusted, the trees say before NWH, the 838 date could be due to time travel while hoping universes, it's really at this point up to personal opinion. Mine remains with about couple months after in Feb 2025
 
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I'm just gonna disprove the "Earth-616" thing quickly.

Venom is set in the same multiverse as both the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse. Peter B. Parker comes from "Earth-616" according to easter eggs. Leaks show that the sequel will continue to use the comic book numbers for their animated counterparts. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is "Earth-616" due to Earth-838's naming system, the TVA and Mysterio's completely random assigned number. So two realities are called Earth-616 in the same multiverse, yet contradict each other.

The solution is obvious. Neither are Earth-616. It is just a much simpler designation to use than "Earth-199999". So, the TVA can call Earth-199999 Earth-616. The Illuminati can call Earth-199999 Earth-616. Neither are connected to the Captain Britain corps. "We" designated your universe 616 confirms that the residents of Earth-838 don't know what they're talking about.

I have no doubt Marvel will continue to use the Earth-616 designation for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. This is fine, because it applies to the characters in the story as that reality. The universe they are from is called Earth-616 even though the greater multiverse knows it as Earth-199999.
 
Sorry to bring this old question up again, but I'm going through the Defenders side of things with my SO for their first time, and I'm trying to remember why DD S3 comes before IF S2. I remember the consensus being that Rand is simply a dumbass, but could someone sum up why DD comes first and IF comes second in the run?
 
fuzzyfoot said:
Sorry to bring this old question up again, but I'm going through the Defenders side of things with my SO for their first time, and I'm trying to remember why DD S3 comes before IF S2. I remember the consensus being that Rand is simply a dumbass, but could someone sum up why DD comes first and IF comes second in the run?
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Iron Fist S2 had a Chinese New Year celebration in the first episode IIIRC.
 
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