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Another video from Geekritique up, I haven't had a chance to see it but figured I'd put it here in case anyone was interested
 
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Another video from Geekritique up, I haven't seen it but figured I'd put it here in case anyone was interested
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He covers basically everything we've already said here the past few weeks. Placing it in 2024 before MK. About the only thing he didn't mention that I thought of while watching it was that Peter asks Fury in FFH about Thor and Fury responds that he's off-world, which given LAT's ending, he would be.
 
fuzzyfoot said:
He covers basically everything we've already said here the past few weeks. Placing it in 2024 before MK. About the only thing he didn't mention that I thought of while watching it was that Peter asks Fury in FFH about Thor and Fury responds that he's off-world, which given LAT's ending, he would be.
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I mean Thor is "off world" a lot. I wouldn't necessarily look at FFH as being a specific reference to Love & Thunder. I mean I originally thought it was a reference to him being with the Guardians. And there's some points in that video that I personally disagree with, but given we've settled with 2024 here, I'll leave it at that.
 
So finally got a chance to watch the video. Lines up with what we've found which is always nice. Couples things I wanted to comment on

Taika Waititi's comment on when Love and Thunder just shows why we shouldn't take directors comments on this stuff seriously. I know he's a goofy guy but this shows how little they know about their timeline placement. Even Gunn's comments show he doesn't know exactly where GotGV3 is falling. And yet there are gonna be those people that are like "these guys work for Marvel, what makes you think you know better" like litterally everything makes me think that. That's my rant

I think the fact that Groot hasn't seemed to age much between now and Endgame does point to it being closer to it then the GotGHS which I think is likely going to take place Christmas 2025. I didn't even think to use Groot's age as a way to place the film. Was this brought up on here before and what do you guys think of it?

I do definitely think the break up has to be Pre-Civil War as if Thor was living with Jane then the Avengers likely would've known where Thor was at the time. But the magazine's are the only thing that I believe gave us a month to work from giving us a nice May date which I think lines up a little too perfectly.

I admit I was offline for a lot of the Love and Thunder placement debate and I missed a lot of that so sorry if I'm throwing out things that were already brought up.
 
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So finally got a chance to watch the video. Lines up with what we've found which is always nice. Couples things I wanted to comment on

Taika Waititi's comment on when Love and Thunder just shows why we shouldn't take directors comments on this stuff seriously. I know he's a goofy guy but this shows how little they know about their timeline placement. Even Gunn's comments show he doesn't know exactly where GotGV3 is falling.

I think the fact that Groot hasn't seemed to age much between now and Endgame does point to it being closer to it then the GotGHS which I think is likely going to take place Christmas 2025. I didn't even think to use Groot's age as a way to place the film. Was this brought up on here before and what do you guys think of it?

I do definitely think the break up has to be Pre-Civil War as if Thor was living with Jane then the Avengers likely would've known where Thor was at the time. But the magazine's are the only thing that I believe gave us a month to work from giving us a nice May date which I think lines up a little too perfectly.

I admit I was offline for a lot of the Love and Thunder placement debate and I missed a lot of that so sorry if I'm throwing out things that were already brought up.
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Yeah, the fact we've gotten more guesstimate type of comments recently from directors, makes me wonder just how aware those behind the scenes are of when exactly a project is taking place. I get the Groot thing, but given he's a fictional being, I don't think we can 100% confirm how his growth works.

I don't see that the breakup has to be before Civil War. Thor could have left to look for the stones while still being in a relationship with Jane where he returned to Earth and her less and less (maybe with the other Avengers not even being aware) which could have also been a factor in the breakup. I'm not saying it's as late as possible like right before Ragnarok, but I do feel like the girl telling Thor she was sorry Jane dumped him makes it sound like it was more recent rather than over 2 years prior.

I'm not arguing against a 2024 placement and unlike Moon Knight, I'm personally going back and forth on whether I believe Love & Thunder is May 2024 or May 2025. The reason I'm a little hesitant about a 2024 placement myself is how soon it is after Endgame, but doesn't really feel like it. I mean The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, Shang-Chi, Far From Home, etc. still discussed or referenced the blip and you could feel they were still in the aftermath of it. Unlike stuff like Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk where you feel like enough time's passed that it's out of the zeitgeist and people have returned to normalcy. And while the video addresses it, seeing New Asgard in Endgame compared to Love & Thunder, there's clearly been a lot of work done. I just feel like it would take a lot to get it done within under 7 months. This is just me though and I can understand if others don't feel the same. I do see evidence for 2024 as well and haven't made a full decision on what I personally want to go with.

I just wish we had more concrete evidence. Hopefully, the Holiday Special and GOTG 3 make things more clear.

Also, I wish Disney/Marvel would address the reasoning behind their timeline given how divisive it's become with fans who actually focus on determining the timeline. I would like to think someone there is aware of some of the controversy behind some of their placements.
 
Very fair points especially on Groot and the Post-Endgame feel. I would definitely like Marvel to come forward with a little statement on wtf they are doing there tho.
 
Starvel said:
Very fair points especially on Groot and the Post-Endgame feel. I would definitely like Marvel to come forward with a little statement on wtf they are doing there tho.
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I honestly don't think they have a clue. I think they have a role with the Disney + timeline but don't really use hard evidence. They say they have a timeline keeper and a scroll, so why not release it? Didn't Feige say at one point they were going to?

I still remember the mess after Homecoming's release. I used to get downvoted on Reddit all the time for explaining why 8 Years Later was wrong and why Avengers had to be in 2012. It was so validating when Infinity War confirmed it had been 6 years and even more so when Endgame flat-out showed the 2012 title card.
 
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I honestly don't think they have a clue. I think they have a role with the Disney + timeline but don't really use hard evidence. They say they have a timeline keeper and a scroll, so why not release it? Didn't Feige say at one point they were going to?

I still remember the mess after Homecoming's release. I used to get downvoted on Reddit all the time for explaining why 8 Years Later was wrong and why Avengers had to be in 2012. It was so validating when Infinity War confirmed it had been 6 years and even more so when Endgame flat-out showed the 2012 title card.
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I don't recall them saying they were going to release the timeline scroll but **** if they did I'd be stoked.

Also **** reddit, after all these years it's just as bad on there when it comes to timelines even after all the **** ups. Whenever anything timeline related goes there I keep my mouth shut and come here lol
 
Starvel said:
I don't recall them saying they were going to release the timeline scroll but **** if they did I'd be stoked.

Also **** reddit, after all these years it's just as bad on there when it comes to timelines even after all the **** ups. Whenever anything timeline related goes there I keep my mouth shut and come here lol
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It may not have been the scroll, but Feige did at one point say they had a timeline they were going to release to the public. I think it was meant to be in "The Story of Marvel Studios" book but when it was released, there was nothing about the timeline.
 
Rman said:
I still remember the mess after Homecoming's release. I used to get downvoted on Reddit all the time for explaining why 8 Years Later was wrong and why Avengers had to be in 2012. It was so validating when Infinity War confirmed it had been 6 years and even more so when Endgame flat-out showed the 2012 title card.
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I had a little bit of that with my friends too believe it or not. I tried to explain to them that the 8 years later was impossible because that would have implied Civil War was wrong with Vision stating Iron Man was 8 years ago too. Both films came out the same year, how can Iron Man 1 and Avengers take place in the same year...
 
Rman said:
It may not have been the scroll, but Feige did at one point say they had a timeline they were going to release to the public. I think it was meant to be in "The Story of Marvel Studios" book but when it was released, there was nothing about the timeline.
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They did actually release a timeline 'once' and it was hilariously wrong too. It was in the 10 Years book. It corrected Homecoming but screwed up Black Panther.

Link to Timeline
 
Rewatching Moon Knight, and having the GRC still around makes me feel it's closer to Endgame rather than further.

In FatWS the GRC was already close to bringing back all the displaced people to their homes, so it would make less sense to have the GRC still be a thing 2 years later.
 
fuzzyfoot said:
They did actually release a timeline 'once' and it was hilariously wrong too. It was in the 10 Years book. It corrected Homecoming but screwed up Black Panther.

Link to Timeline
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That book was unofficial and the confusion came from people thinking it was the official one and therefore the timeline in it was the one Feige was talking about (it wasn't).
Slyonic said:
Rewatching Moon Knight, and having the GRC still around makes me feel it's closer to Endgame rather than further.

In FatWS the GRC was already close to bringing back all the displaced people to their homes, so it would make less sense to have the GRC still be a thing 2 years later.
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If Moon Knight were 2025, it would be around 18 months since Endgame. I think the GRC would still be active then. And wouldn't be surprised if we see it's still around in the future.
 
Honestly, a part of me wonders if Disney+ is basing its placement for Love & Thunder on when Korg is telling the story rather than the events within the said story. The same thing could be theorized with Iron Man 3 being set after The Dark World due to Tony telling the story to Bruce at a time past the events of The Dark World. In both cases, the movies are technically recapping actual events rather than us seeing them in "real-time". Not saying this is exactly what's going on and if it were the case, it'd be nice to see clarification, but I could see it making sense.
 
Rman said:
Honestly, a part of me wonders if Disney+ is basing its placement for Love & Thunder on when Korg is telling the story rather than the events within the said story. The same thing could be theorized with Iron Man 3 being set after The Dark World due to Tony telling the story to Bruce at a time past the events of The Dark World. In both cases, the movies are technically recapping actual events rather than us seeing them in "real-time". Not saying this is exactly what's going on and if it were the case, it'd be nice to see clarification, but I could see it making sense.
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While that could be the case, I think personally The Dark World is placed before Iron Man 3 due to the opening taking place shortly after The Avengers, but either way still makes the timeline a bit of a bitch to use to place the main events of a film unfortunately.
 
Does anyone have any opinions on the placements of Falcon and Winter Soldier and Love and Thunder? They both happen close to each other, but I don't know how to best place TFATW without more precise dating. (I think the placement of Love and Thunder alongside it is a bit awkward)
 
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Does anyone have any opinions on the placements of Falcon and Winter Soldier and Love and Thunder? They both happen close to each other, but I don't know how to best place TFATW without more precise dating. (I think the placement of Love and Thunder alongside it is a bit awkward)
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Honestly, one of the reasons I'm personally going with Love & Thunder in 2025. 2024 places it in the middle of TFATWS and given the movie doesn't necessarily confirm that time frame, I prefer to not have to figure out a breakdown of where it is compared to TFATWS. Especially since I doubt there was any intention for them to be that close together. That's just me though. I guess if you had to, you could assume the main events after Thor arrives in New Asgard happen between the ending of TFATWS and the beginning of Far From Home (around late May/early June 2024).
 
Lebnyx said:
Does anyone have any opinions on the placements of Falcon and Winter Soldier and Love and Thunder? They both happen close to each other, but I don't know how to best place TFATW without more precise dating. (I think the placement of Love and Thunder alongside it is a bit awkward)
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FatWS seems to be April/May and LaT seems to be May/June so I personally am going with FatWS, LaT, MK, FFH, NWH, etc.
 
Lebnyx said:
Does anyone have any opinions on the placements of Falcon and Winter Soldier and Love and Thunder? They both happen close to each other, but I don't know how to best place TFATW without more precise dating. (I think the placement of Love and Thunder alongside it is a bit awkward)
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Honestly, if it's a montage of events, I would place almost all of it in April, and the very last bit of the montage in May.
Just so the finished progress is closer to the current events after it.
 
Jen's comment about trying to get ahold of Bruce for "weeks or months or days" felt like an attack on those of us who try to pinpoint the timeline down lol. Mallory also mentions she'll be married 11 years "this October" further confirmation the show is taking place before then.
 
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Why do we want to move Moon Knight to 2024 again? It fits with both 2024 and 2025. We choose to place it in 2025 because the Disney+ timeline places it after Hawkeye.

It's not like we're saying that the Disney+ timeline is accurate by placing it in 2025. We're saying that, until further evidence comes out, we don't have anything else to go by. It's basically the lowest tier semi-official source.

Thor: Love and Thunder is a little more leaning into 2024, so we can ignore the crappy timeline.
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I agree with the reasoning of whatever makes it so Thor: Love and Thunder and Moon Knight fit together so as the "gods" from one don't show up in the other.
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Like this post for Thor and Moon Knight in 2024.
Love for Thor and Moon Knight in 2025.
Haha for Thor in 2024 and Moon Knight in 2025.
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I'm waiting for you guys to all tell me. My brain no worky. I don't even know what a "Moon phase" is, and how would someone know how they will be in years that haven't happened yet?
 
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I agree with the reasoning of whatever makes it so Thor: Love and Thunder and Moon Knight fit together so as the "gods" from one don't show up in the other.

I'm waiting for you guys to all tell me. My brain no worky. I don't even know what a "Moon phase" is, and how would someone know how they will be in years that haven't happened yet?
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To put it basically, when we look at the moon in the night sky, it has different shapes. It isn't always a full moon and it isn't always a crescent moon. The shapes form a pattern that has been observed and, using this pattern, we can predict the shape of the moon on future dates.
 
RocketRacoon said:
To put it basically, when we look at the moon in the night sky, it has different shapes. It isn't always a full moon and it isn't always a crescent moon. The shapes form a pattern that has been observed and, using this pattern, we can predict the shape of the moon on future dates.
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Hmm, I never really paid any attention to any of that, nor even noticed the actual moon in the show, like, at all.
 
After watching Spider-Man No Way Home the more fun stuff version I've decided to remove all the Betty Brandt Daily Bugle Tik Toks from my personal timeline, just because comparing both versions of the film, Neither version makes any attempt to support the Tik Toks validity and it seems unlikely that Betty would be working an internship during her final year of high school and she is still at midtown high by the new post credits scene which has to take place on their graduation day which usually happens in late May/Early June of 2025. So the Footage that is inserted back into the film in the extended edition is canon in my eyes but they reworked some of that footage from the Tik Toks (E.g Betty Brandt's School Interviews) and from the daily bugle.net stuff (Spider-Menace strikes again) So with that being said if we do get a physical release of the extended cut (which I'm getting worried we won't) then I might change my list again but atm this is what it looks like


Phase 4: (July 2024 - December 2025)

TheDailyBugle.net - London Attack - Tower Bridge Bill Blues
TheDailyBugle.net - Web of Lies!
TheDailyBugle.net - Coney Island re-opened years after devastating crash
TheDailyBugle.net - Sticky Street Job!
TheDailyBugle.net - Spider Sycophant
Venom: Let there be Carnage Mid-Credits Scene
TheDailyBugle.net - Spider-Menace Tip Line
Spider-Man: No Way Home (The More Fun Stuff Version)
Spider-Man: No Way Home (The More Fun Stuff Version) Mid-Credits Scene
Morbius First Mid-Credits Scene
Morbius Second Mid-Credits Scene
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness Mid-Credits Scene
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness Post-Credits Scene
TheDailyBugle.net - "Savies" A New Menace Emerges
Hawkeye S01E01 - S01E03
Black Widow Post-Credits Scene
Hawkeye S01E04 - S01E06
Hawkeye S01E06 Mid-Credits Scene

Moon Knight S01E01 - S01E02 ?

Thor: Love and Thunder ?
Thor: Love and Thunder Post-Credits Scene ?

Moon Knight S01E03 ?

Thor: Love and Thunder Mid-Credits Scene ?

Moon Knight S01E04 - S01E06 ?
Moon Knight S01E06 Mid-Credits Scene ?

Spider-Man: No Way Home (The More Fun Stuff Version) Post-Credits Scene
She-Hulk: Attorney at Law S01E01
She-Hulk: Attorney at Law S01E01 Mid-Credits Scene
 

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