Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

[Rman]

I think the 2024 Lunar alignments is the best evidence I've seen for it being 2024.

2025 arguments basically amount to "Too much happen in one year."

I just personally feel like while the 2024 Lunar alignments could have originally meant something, Jeremy Slater's comments on how the show was intentionally kept vague and talks on how there was a timeline they had but it could change is why I can't blindly go off it. Especially when if you used the moon to line up other Marvel projects, it wouldn't match. I'm of the belief that if there isn't anything contradictory within the project, then the Disney + timeline can be trusted. And I see nothing that says Moon Knight has to be 2024 (given it's a fictional world, the lunar calendar isn't enough). From a narrative standpoint, I think it fits better in 2025 too since most of the 2024 projects either deal with the aftermath of the blip or still reference it as a recent event (Shang-Chi, TF&TWS, FFH, etc.). While 2025 projects like She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, and Wakanda Forever really show how the world's returned more to normalcy. While I personally go with 2025, I completely get why others go with 2024 and believe either placement can work given how vague the show is (something Thor: L&T also runs into). So, at this point it really is up to the individual. And hopefully Marvel projects in the future are much more clear on when they're happening.

 

[jhed13]

Respectfully, so what? We took a vote on the placement this timeline as a whole would respect when placing it into the document. We did not take a vote that said people everyone must place it in their in their own timelines. The reason this place exists is because a solid timeline doesn't exist. There will be fluctuations between each person's timelines, now more so than ever. The larger discussion on when it takes place "officially" to this timeline is what the vote ended, people are free to still place it wherever they want that they think it makes sense. As the MCU grows in such a fast manner plus the five year gap there will be more disagreements on when things happen. We voted, as long as people respect it they can disagree.

We took a vote because we need a spot to place it in the document, but the reasons for its complicated placement don't vanish. The moment we stop letting everyone voice their placements because we disagree is the moment we may as well go back to Reddit. Idc where someone places Moon Knight, 2024 or 2025, as long as they present good reasoning for it in a polite way.

I didn't say everyone had to put it in their personal timelines. The vote was for it to be placed in THIS timeline. Which it is not. There was an overwhelming majority for 2024 and its still not on 2024 in this timeline.

We took a vote because the majority wanted it in 2024 and it wasn't changing and now after the vote, it still isn't changed.

 

[jhed13]

I think the 2024 Lunar alignments is the best evidence I've seen for it being 2024.

2025 arguments basically amount to "Too much happen in one year."

I'm 100% agreeing with you. And so did the majority other people. That's why I'm irritated because we took the vote and nothing happened. Nothing on this document changed to put Moon Knight in 2024 like we voted on

 

[Starvel]

I'm 100% agreeing with you. And so did the majority other people. That's why I'm irritated because we took the vote and nothing happened. Nothing on this document changed to put Moon Knight in 2024 like we voted on

Don't use the document then, don't get me wrong the work that's gone into it is absolutely incredible. But I disagree with a few points on it, I keep my own timeline on my phone and do my best to use this timelines placement for discussion when I can

That being said if 2024 did win the vote it should be changed but it's still debated enough that I don't think it matters at this point.

 

[jhed13]

Don't use the document then, don't get me wrong the work that's gone into it is absolutely incredible. But I disagree with a few points on it, I keep my own timeline on my phone and do my best to use this timelines placement for discussion when I can

That being said if 2024 did win the vote it should be changed but it's still debated enough that I don't think it matters at this point.

So we should ignore votes for this document then? That's what I'm getting from what you're saying.
"We voted for a placement, can we please place it" and you come in with "who cares".
We've worked really hard to build this timeline and you're saying that we shouldn't respect a majority vote? What are we here for then?

 

[Starvel]

So we should ignore votes for this document then? That's what I'm getting from what you're saying.
"We voted for a placement, can we please place it" and you come in with "who cares".
We've worked really hard to build this timeline and you're saying that we shouldn't respect a majority vote? What are we here for then?

I don't think there should've been a vote, I thought it was redundant from the start. Who ever edits the document (I don't actually know who's in charge of it, like I said I'm mostly here for the discussion to find the best placements to make my own timeline) should place Moon Knight and whatever else wherever they thinks it's best placed. Like I said people should keep their own timelines on this and place things themselves. This place is absolutely incredible for discussion but it's shouldn't be the definitive timeline for everyone.

To answer your question "what are we here for then", we're here to discuss the timeline and figure out together what works best with a group of people with the same interest, even if that answer isn't the same for everyone. Perhaps saying "who cares" was a little harsh way of putting it and I'm sorry for that but I stand by what I meant, who cares what the document says. It's a great source to place the MCU, faaaaar better than anything Marvel has done, but if you think it's incorrect then keep your own timeline and keep discussing here

 

[jhed13]

I don't think there should've been a vote, I thought it was redundant from the start. Who ever edits the document (I don't actually know who's in charge of it, like I said I'm mostly here for the discussion to find the best placements to make my own timeline) should place Moon Knight and whatever else wherever they thinks it's best placed. Like I said people should keep their own timelines on this and place things themselves. This place is absolutely incredible for discussion but it's shouldn't be the definitive timeline for everyone.

To answer your question "what are we here for then", we're here to discuss the timeline and figure out together what works best with a group of people with the same interest, even if that answer isn't the same for everyone. Perhaps saying "who cares" was a little harsh way of putting it and I'm sorry for that but I stand by what I meant, who cares what the document says. It's a great source to place the MCU, faaaaar better than anything Marvel has done, but if you think it's incorrect then keep your own timeline and keep discussing here

Ok, I see where you're coming from. I felt like you were being dismissive but I understand why you feel that way. Although i don't agree, let me tell you why so you might understand why I'm so passionate about this timeline.

This timeline was started over 10 years ago by a user called DIrishB. DIrish was an EXCELLENT timeline keeper. And soon after he created it, it blew up and became bigger than DIrish. His policy for this timeline was always a majority vote. It was no longer his timeline but a timeline of the community of people passionate about chronology. DIrish was the most solid guy in this forum and was super well respected. And most of the legwork that has went into this timeline came from him.
Unfortunately he passed away about 5 years ago. And Lebnyx undertook the responsibility of continuing his timeline. So this isn't a timeline that belongs to Lebnyx, it belongs to us in memory of DIrishB. That's why I'm irritated. This isn't just a silly timeline to me that some of us nerds can debate on sometimes. This is a continuation of a piece of a legacy of somebody that I admire and look up to who isn't with us anymore.
I'm sure this seems like a weird thing for me to get worked up over, but this timeline is very important to me and a lot of other people who got to work on this with DIrish over the years.

 

[Starvel]

Ok, I see where you're coming from. I felt like you were being dismissive but I understand why you feel that way. Although i don't agree, let me tell you why so you might understand why I'm so passionate about this timeline.

This timeline was started over 10 years ago by a user called DIrishB. DIrish was an EXCELLENT timeline keeper. And soon after he created it, it blew up and became bigger than DIrish. His policy for this timeline was always a majority vote. It was no longer his timeline but a timeline of the community of people passionate about chronology. DIrish was the most solid guy in this forum and was super well respected. And most of the legwork that has went into this timeline came from him.
Unfortunately he passed away about 5 years ago. And Lebnyx undertook the responsibility of continuing his timeline. So this isn't a timeline that belongs to Lebnyx, it belongs to us in memory of DIrishB. That's why I'm irritated. This isn't just a silly timeline to me that some of us nerds can debate on sometimes. This is a continuation of a piece of a legacy of somebody that I admire and look up to who isn't with us anymore.
I'm sure this seems like a weird thing for me to get worked up over, but this timeline is very important to me and a lot of other people who got to work on this with DIrish over the years.

Alright you know what that's totally fair and you've convinced me. The creator of this incredible timeline decided votes should be used then they absolutely should. As a vote was taken, it should be changed, that's a very fair thing to be irritated by. Do you know who currently controls the editing of the document, is it still Lebnyx?

 

[FruityWho50]

Update on my Moon Knight Placement
(April 24th - May 4th)
Thor: Love and Thunder
(April 30th - May 4th/5th)

 

[jhed13]

https://www.thecomicboard.com/threads/marvel-cinematic-universe-timeline-continued.14631/post-581986
Here's the official vote post with 2024 Moon Knight winning by 4 votes.
Which would put Moon Knight from June 7th - June 16th.

Alright you know what that's totally fair and you've convinced me. The creator of this incredible timeline decided votes should be used then they absolutely should. As a vote was taken, it should be changed, that's a very fair thing to be irritated by. Do you know who currently controls the editing of the document, is it still Lebnyx?

Thank you for understanding. You'll see a lot of the people who have been posting here forever will have the same sentiment.
The way that All of the timelines you see on this website are set up? That's all DIrish inspired. He was the first one on thecomicboard to start doing timelines the way he does with the timestamps. I truly think that this website wouldn't be as popular as it is currently if he wasn't a part of this community.
And yeah, Lebnyx is currently the editor for this one.

 

[Lebnyx]

I forgot to update it. There, it's done.

 

[Silvguard]

You all do great work carrying on for DIrishB. I used his timelines when I wanted to do a watch through of a series and was sad when he passed.

 

[jhed13]

You all do great work carrying on for DIrishB. I used his timelines when I wanted to do a watch through of a series and was sad when he passed.

He literally changed the way I watch things and think about shared universes. I didn't know him personally but he made a bigger impact on me than he could have ever imagined.

 

[mrvl]

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[Dallas Kinard]

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Oh boy this could create huge problems or be a huge help. We'll see.

 

[selfishmisery]

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If the first thing I see is Iron Man 1 in 2009/2010, I'm out.
Feige will need the clown make up ready.

 

[Starvel]

If the first thing I see isIron Man 1 in 2009/2010, I'm out.
Feige will need the clown make up ready.

*Me knowing full well I prefer to put Iron Man in 2010* yes...Feige you...clown...bad Feige

 

[marioxb]

If the first thing I see is Iron Man 1 in 2009/2010, I'm out.
Feige will need the clown make up ready.

And Spider-Man: Homecoming in 2020. That is, if they even have the Spidey movies in the book.

Speaking of Spidey, has anyone seen the edits that haven been done to WandaVision and Ms. Marvel on Disney Plus? https://thedirect.com/article/ms-marvel-edit-spider-man-no-way-home-continuity-disney

 

[Rman]

I'm curious how detailed the book ends up being. Will we at least get months (I seriously doubt we get days) or is it all going to go by just years?

 

[Starvel]

I'm curious how detailed the book ends up being. Will we at least get months (I seriously doubt we get days) or is it all going to go by just years?

Probably by years is my guess but idk, the Star Wars Timelines one coming up should give us a good idea of what to expect and how detailed it is

 

[Slyonic]

https://www.marvel.com/articles/cul...se-an-official-timeline-coming-september-2023

This stunning visual guide is being created in collaboration with the Marvel Studios creative team. It will be the go-to resource for fans and filmmakers who are hoping to connect the dots and truly understand the web of interconnections between the different Marvel Studios movies and streaming series.

Guess we won't be getting any confirmation on the pre-D+ shows....

 

[Starvel]

https://www.marvel.com/articles/cul...se-an-official-timeline-coming-september-2023



Guess we won't be getting any confirmation on the pre-D+ shows....

Unfortunate but expected

 

[Starvel]

Hey I just wanna throw something in here and see if you guys realize something that's wrong with this. So we all know how time travel works yeah, changes result in branches not permanent changes to the original timeline. Now Ms. Marvel was weird in the way that she time travels back to create events that were already part of her timeline without branching. I noticed, and so have some others, that the Ten Rings, The Bangle and that big ringy engine thing Kang has in Quantumania bare some resemblance. If they are related then this could potentially mean Kang not only has the technology to time travel but to make permanent changes to timelines without branching them. That would explain why Kamala didn't create a branch when she time traveled.

Thoughts comments concerns? I think this could make timelines very messy to make if they start rewriting events and not branching them into new universes lol

 

[selfishmisery]

Hey I just wanna throw something in here and see if you guys realize something that's wrong with this. So we all know how time travel works yeah, changes result in branches not permanent changes to the original timeline. Now Ms. Marvel was weird in the way that she time travels back to create events that were already part of her timeline without branching. I noticed, and so have some others, that the Ten Rings, The Bangle and that big ringy engine thing Kang has in Quantumania bare some resemblance. If they are related then this could potentially mean Kang not only has the technology to time travel but to make permanent changes to timelines without branching them. That would explain why Kamala didn't create a branch when she time traveled.

Thoughts comments concerns? I think this could make timelines very messy to make if they start rewriting events and not branching them into new universes lol

Don't forget in the comics there are methods of time travel that CAN affect the main timeline. The heroes only discovered the branch method in the MCU thus far.

Well, the Runaways are pretty much the only ones with that knowledge thanks to ancient alien tech.

 

[Starvel]

Don't forget in the comics there are methods of time travel that CAN affect the main timeline. The heroes only discovered the branch method in the MCU thus far.

Well, the Runaways are pretty much the only ones with that knowledge thanks to ancient alien tech.

It's very true but so far the MCU has been pretty specific, especially with Loki, I feel if there were ways of not creating branches (like the disaster method) it would've been mentioned by the TVA. Mobius seemed pretty surprised to learn there were ways around branches. As of right now I feel like the MCU is trying to hammer in branches always happen and then BAM "Kang doesn't need to follow that rule, what a scary big bad" ya know?

 

[selfishmisery]

It's very true but so far the MCU has been pretty specific, especially with Loki, I feel if there were ways of not creating branches (like the disaster method) it would've been mentioned by the TVA. Mobius seemed pretty surprised to learn there were ways around branches. As of right now I feel like the MCU is trying to hammer in branches always happen and then BAM "Kang doesn't need to follow that rule, what a scary big bad" ya know?

How do you know the TVA isn't now aware of this method and destroying fully-developed timelines/universes + working to change the main timeline under Kang's rule; when under "He Who Remains"'s he was more merciful and just had them 'reset' branches? Don't forget these TVA agents are brainwashed variants from pruned branches and only knowledgable of what's given to them.

Be patient and wait for more info.

 

[Starvel]

How do you know the TVA isn't now aware of this method and destroying universes under Kang's rule when under "He Who Remains"'s he was more merciful and just had them 'reset' branches? Don't forget these TVA agents are brainwashed variants from pruned branches are only knowledgable of what's given to them.

Be patient and wait for more info.

I don't know, it's true but I'm not concerned with what the TVA knows now under Kang's rule, I'm concerned with why they didn't know about it under HWR rule. Remember HWR wasn't concerned with branches specifically, he was concerned with branches that could lead to Kang. If there were methods of time travel that could lead to Kang without creating branches that's something HWR would prevent through the TVA. That's why it makes sense that Kang is the only one who can do it. Like you said, the TVA knows what HWR tells them about time travel, so if they needed to be aware of it they would be. But if the secret of branches time travel remains only with variants of Kang like HWR, of which he's the only one, then they wouldn't need to be aware.

If Kang is the only one who can change events without creating branches then the TVA doesn't need to know cause Kang doesn't exist except for HWR, thanks to HWR. If other people can do it then they'd need to know to effectively stop Kang's from potentially appearing. If branchless time travel was possible before Loki we'd know about it. There's a reason Kamala could do it and there's a reason the TVA doesn't know about it (unless Marvel just really doesn't care about that inconsistency which I doubt). This explains both.

TL;DR if Kang and his tech are the only ones that can time travel without branches and HWR is the only variant of them that's time travelling until his death then the TVA doesn't need to know. If the Bangle is Kang tech as the design seems to imply then this explains A. why Kang is such a threat to time B. why Kamala can perform branchless time travel and C. why the TVA (and by extension the audience as they're the way we were informed of the rules largely after Endgame) was kept unaware of it cause they didn't need to know.

 

[selfishmisery]

I don't know, it's true but I'm not concerned with what the TVA knows now under Kang's rule, I'm concerned with why they didn't know about it under HWR rule. Remember HWR wasn't concerned with branches specifically, he was concerned with branches that could lead to Kang. If there were methods of time travel that could lead to Kang without creating branches that's something HWR would prevent through the TVA. That's why it makes sense that Kang is the only one who can do it. Like you said, the TVA knows what HWR tells them about time travel, so if they needed to be aware of it they would be. But if the secret of branches time travel remains only with variants of Kang like HWR, of which he's the only one, then they wouldn't need to be aware.

If Kang is the only one who can change events without creating branches then the TVA doesn't need to know cause Kang doesn't exist except for HWR, thanks to HWR. If other people can do it then they'd need to know to effectively stop Kang's from potentially appearing. If branchless time travel was possible before Loki we'd know about it. There's a reason Kamala could do it and there's a reason the TVA doesn't know about it (unless Marvel just really doesn't care about that inconsistency which I doubt). This explains both.

TL;DR if Kang and his tech are the only ones that can time travel without branches and HWR is the only variant of them that's time travelling until his death then the TVA doesn't need to know. If the Bangle is Kang tech as the design seems to imply then this explains A. why Kang is such a threat to time B. why Kamala can perform branchless time travel and C. why the TVA (and by extension the audience as they're the way we were informed of the rules largely after Endgame) was kept unaware of it cause they didn't need to know.

We're both assuming HWR's intentions and I feel like we should again wait for Loki season 2 to see if they answer that.
Beyond that, I'm sure there are certain things Kang still needs to bring about main timeline changes.

 

[Starvel]

We're both assuming HWR's intentions and I feel like we should again wait for Loki season 2 to see if they answer that.
Beyond that, I'm sure there are certain things Kang still needs to bring about main timeline changes.

Well I mean it's not really assuming, he explains his intentions in the finale about hiding the truth of the Multiversal War from the TVA and keeping the rise of Kang from happening. It's why he founded the TVA and made the Sacred Timeline. We also know the TVA cant track time travel unless it branches otherwise Sylvie would've been found beforehand. I am however assuming he knows it's possible and that he hid the fact that time travel can happen without branches and kept it on need to know since they didn't need to know because only he (and his at the time non existent variants) know.

That being said obviously we should wait for Quantumania, Loki S02 and whatever else will deal with this stuff before we say for sure. It's just a theory as to why Kamala can time travel without creating branches and why the TVA would've been unaware of that possibility under HWR.

 

[selfishmisery]

Well I mean it's not really assuming, he explains his intentions in the finale about hiding the truth of the Multiversal War from the TVA and keeping the rise of Kang from happening. It's why he founded the TVA and made the Sacred Timeline. We also know the TVA cant track time travel unless it branches otherwise Sylvie would've been found beforehand. I am however assuming he knows it's possible and that he hid the fact that time travel can happen without branches and kept it on need to know since only he knows.

That being said obviously we should wait for Quantumania, Loki S02 and whatever else will deal with this stuff before we say for sure. It's just a theory as to why Kamala can time travel without creating branches and why the TVA would've been unaware of that possibility under HWR.

Again, retroactively, his further intentions pertaining to new information not previously given to us as an audience is all assumption.
It's a gap that hasn't been filled yet between this and how Kang plans to do it his own way.

I fully expect this to be explained.