Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)

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Rman said:
I honestly think the Ant-Man thing is something that has to be overlooked. If Civil War is June, I don't see Peter referring to it as being 6 months when in reality it would be closer to 10. Even if the Luis thing was originally meant to be a reference specifically to Peter, I don't see it working now without being a stretch. The wiki tried to fix this by having the end of Ant-Man in December. However, it's obvious the movie doesn't have that big a time jump.
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I'm always of the belief that the simplest explanation is always the best.

But when you start believing the "6 months ago" estimate as exact, when that has a precedence in this universe as being flawed and inaccurate, then making the jump that Luis didn't mean Peter and it was some other web-swinger we'll ever see (despite the fact that Spider-Man reference was put in there INTENTIONALLY) - you've created more hurdles in this thought process.

To me, the stretch is not justifying the simplest explanation and assuming our headcanon, no matter how complicated, is the truth.
 
selfishmisery said:
I'm always of the belief that the simplest explanation is always the best.

But when you start believing the "6 months ago" estimate as exact, when that has a precedence in this universe as being flawed and inaccurate, then making the jump that Luis didn't mean Peter and it was some other web-swinger we'll ever see (despite the fact that Spider-Man reference was put in there INTENTIONALLY) - you've created more hurdles in this thought process.
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I honestly don't think it was specific enough that it has to be a Spider-Man reference and for me I feel like you're creating a hurdle in the reference of time just to make it work. The Jessica Jones thing is different as I believe fully well it was meant to be set around Fall 2018, but contradicting with Infinity War pushed it back to earlier in the year.
 
Rman said:
I honestly don't think it was specific enough that it has to be a Spider-Man reference and for me I feel like you're creating a hurdle in the reference of time just to make it work. The Jessica Jones thing is different as I believe fully well it was meant to be set around Fall 2018, but contradicting with Infinity War pushed it back to earlier in the year.
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"One guy who swings and crawls on walls" - Luis

Must be Black Panther, right?
 
JudgeDreddpool said:
Because it's how my brain works.
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I'm just saying there isn't any difference.
selfishmisery said:
"One guy who swings and crawls on walls" - Luis

Must be Black Panther, right?
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"We got a guy who jumps, we got a guy who swings, we got a guy who crawls up the walls" makes it sound like it's three different people. I'm not saying it wasn't meant to be a specific reference, but I believe Peter would have said he'd had his powers a year if we're going from August-June.
 
Regardless how we feel about MCU Spidey's origin date, this is an alternate timeline at the end of the day and I doubt the same means gave him his powers; which in this new cartoon seems to be from multiverse crap like Doctor Strange fighting She-Venom or whatever that was in promo photos. (The comic main events take place immediately after that moment, I'd imagine, then in the show it might time jump beyond the events of this 5-issue mini-series to a month later I guess.).

That said, August or September of 2015 for sure in the case of Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man; until more clues are given to the exact month.
 
selfishmisery said:
Regardless how we feel about MCU Spidey's origin date, this is an alternate timeline at the end of the day and I doubt the same means gave him his powers; which in this new cartoon seems to be from multiverse crap like Doctor Strange fighting She-Venom or whatever that was in promo photos. (The comic main events take place immediately after that moment, I'd imagine, then in the show it might time jump beyond the events of this 5-issue mini-series to a month later I guess.).

That said, August or September of 2015 for sure in the case of Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man; until more clues are given to the exact month.
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I'd personally lean more towards September just because the MCU has always had him start there, but I'm open to August if a majority would prefer it.
 
selfishmisery said:
Regardless how we feel about MCU Spidey's origin date, this is an alternate timeline at the end of the day and I doubt the same means gave him his powers; which in this new cartoon seems to be from multiverse crap like Doctor Strange fighting She-Venom or whatever that was in promo photos. (The comic main events take place immediately after that moment, I'd imagine, then in the show it might time jump beyond the events of this 5-issue mini-series to a month later I guess.).

That said, August or September of 2015 for sure in the case of Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man; until more clues are given to the exact month.
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Strange fighting an interdimensional monster and a spider coming through is no more multiverse related than the Guardians fighting the Abilisk.
 
TimelineCHADS, in the spirit of What If approaching and just for creativity's sake I wanna ask. If the Avengers formed in another decade or era who do you envision as part of the lineup? Feel free to pull from all parts of canon, any legacy mantle, long-lived characters, or variants

For my 1950's Avengers:
• Isaiah Bradley as Patriot
• Daniel Sousa as Iron Man (Howard built the suit)
• 50's Moon Knight
• Ulysses Bloodstone
• Dottie Underwood as Black Widow
• Makkari as Hurricane
• 50's Ghost Rider (they'd go by Blazing Skull)

In my head Peggy is their Nick Fury and they assemble to fight Agatha
 
You've put (00:00:00 - 00:00:00) for Deadpool & Wolverine. It should be (0:00:00 - 0:00:00) to be consistent with the rest of the time codes. Also, despite the movie's numbering, [Earth-10005] isn't entirely accurate, and I'd recommend [Earth-TRN414] or [Earth-17315]. The scenes set after Logan's death should absolutely be [Earth-17315] as well. Those scenes are absolutely set in the Logan future of the X-Men films, which has that reality number.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-17315
Edit: I guess the Marvel wiki did change it to be called "Earth-10005 Revised" instead of TRN414 which I forgot. Stupid decision by the way.
 
Pro Bot said:
You've put (00:00:00 - 00:00:00) for Deadpool & Wolverine. It should be (0:00:00 - 0:00:00) to be consistent with the rest of the time codes. Also, despite the movie's numbering, [Earth-10005] isn't entirely accurate, and I'd recommend [Earth-TRN414] or [Earth-17315]. The scenes set after Logan's death should absolutely be [Earth-17315] as well.
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I'll definitely fix the timestamp, thank you for pointing it out. The numbering tho I'm going to keep consistent with the films. When numbers aren't given I'll defer to the comics for sure but for the films timeline I'm going to use the numbers given within the films.
 
Okay, well. If this comic gets covered, "Earth-616" has to refer to the mainstream comics universe rather than the MCU, so you'd have to be taking the comics numbers into account over the MCU numbering. I would argue that that makes the comic numbering more canon. At least the, what I would estimate to be, 2036 scenes can be Earth-17315 to keep full consistency and then you can have Earth-10005 for the present day sequences. It doesn't make sense to acknowledge the canon Earth numbers but then defer to the movies.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Kahhori:_Reshaper_of_Worlds
This comic was created with permission from Marvel Animation, as evidenced by one of its variant covers featuring the studio's logo. It is a continuation of the story of the character Kahhori after the events of What If...? Season Two, which are summarized at the start of the comic. It was also worked on by several of the people who worked on the series. Therefore, and as the result of a discussion and vote, the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki covers the comic as a canon alternate universe comic.
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Another example:
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Venom - Let There Be Carnage Chapter 16 (1:26:42 - 1:27:56) [Earth-688B]
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In Spider-Verse, this was only referred to as Earth-688. We infer it's Earth-688B because Peter Parker comes from Earth-616B and there's characters from the original Earth-616 and Earth-1610 ("1610A") in Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse. So, we're acknowledging comics canon here too.

Since the numbers on this timeline are intrinsically linked to the comic book canon, I feel that it is less objective to use Earth-10005 for the 2036 scenes when we acknowledge the comics everywhere else, even when it isn't exactly what a specific film tells us.
 
Pro Bot said:
Okay, well. If this comic gets covered, "Earth-616" has to refer to the mainstream comics universe rather than the MCU, so you'd have to be taking the comics numbers into account.

https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Kahhori:_Reshaper_of_WorldsThis comic was created with permission from Marvel Animation, as evidenced by one of its variant covers featuring the studio's logo. It is a continuation of the story of the character Kahhori after the events of What If...? Season Two, which are summarized at the start of the comic. It was also worked on by several of the people who worked on the series. Therefore, and as the result of a discussion and vote, the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki covers the comic as a canon alternate universe comic.
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If that comic is covered here then how to address that numbering is something we'd definitely have a conversation about. Personally I don't think it should be as it was not released as part of the MCU comic tie-ins like the YFNSM prelude or the others here it was made as part of the Marvel Voices line and falls under a crossover like Vulture in Morbius or Prowler in AtSV. But if people feel differently I'd leave that up to the majority vote. As you pointed out in the case of the Kahhori Voices comic being added something like a Earth-616a could be used to be consistent with the films while taking the comics into account.

However this doesn't affect D&W or its numbering. But I would be willing to change it to list it as Earth-10005 Revised as it is still consistent with what the film presents while taking comics into account.
 
Starvel said:
If that comic is covered here then how to address that numbering is something we'd definitely have a conversation about. Personally I don't think it should be as it was not released as part of the MCU comic tie-ins like the YFNSM prelude or the others here it was made as part of the Marvel Voices line and falls under a crossover like Vulture in Morbius or Prowler in AtSV.
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It's part of an MCU adjacent reality. If Earth-199999 was featured in the comics, I would imagine it would be included, no? Not the whole comic necessarily, but the pages with the MCU in it. Why not Kahhori's comic? The pages set in her reality, that is.

Starvel said:
But if people feel differently I'd leave that up to the majority vote. As you pointed out in the case of the Kahhori Voices comic being added something like a Earth-616a could be used to be consistent with the films while taking the comics into account.
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Earth-616A would be accurate but redundant. The MCU isn't Earth-616C, it's Earth-199999. Earth-616A would just be Earth-616.

Earth-616 (Earth-616A)
Earth-616B (Earth-616)
Earth-199999 (Earth-616)

Starvel said:
However this doesn't affect D&W or its numbering. But I would be willing to change it to list it as Earth-10005 Revised as it is still consistent with what the film presents while taking comics into account.
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I can accept that... but the scenes after Logan's death should still be Earth-17315 regardless. You'd basically be placing the specific future where Logan happened in D&W in a different timeline to Logan. Like, we're acknowledging the What If...? reality numbers here, I don't see why we don't take everything from it. That's my stance anyway, it's more consistent to follow the comic numbers as absolute gospel. I'll let others chip in though.
 
Pro Bot said:
It's part of an MCU adjacent reality. If Earth-199999 was featured in the comics, I would imagine it would be included, no? Not the whole comic necessarily, but the pages with the MCU in it. Why not Kahhori's comic? The pages set in her reality, that is.


Earth-616A would be accurate but redundant. The MCU isn't Earth-616C, it's Earth-199999. Earth-616A would just be Earth-616.

Earth-616 (Earth-616A)
Earth-616B (Earth-616)
Earth-199999 (Earth-616)


I can accept that... but the scenes after Logan's death should still be Earth-17315 regardless. You'd basically be placing the specific future where Logan happened in D&W in a different timeline to Logan. Like, we're acknowledging the What If...? reality numbers here. That's my stance anyway, it's more consistent to follow the comic numbers as absolute gospel. I'll let others chip in though.
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Given this is Marvel Studios's universe, my take now is to personally use the numbering they give us. I feel like if Feige really saw his universe as 199999, it would be made clear and I just can't ignore when we've been shown numerous times that they see their main universe as 616. Now if that were to change down the line, I absolutely would be fine with that. But for now I prefer to trust the people that are behind these projects and molding how they see their multiverse. I'm not saying anyone who does want to use the comic numbering is wrong, this is just how I see it.

Plus the numbering in the comics was done in Marvel Studios early days when they had no idea how vast this universe was going to grow or that many years down the line they would be covering the multiverse themselves. It's not too surprising that they might not want to be adhered to a designation from that early in their lifespan and that let's be honest most people aren't even familiar with.
 
Pro Bot said:
It's part of an MCU adjacent reality. If Earth-199999 was featured in the comics, I would imagine it would be included, no? Not the whole comic necessarily, but the pages with the MCU in it. Why not Kahhori's comic? The pages set in her reality, that is.
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I disagree. Again this timeline covers a multiverse being created by Marvel Studios. The Marvel Cinematic Universe, while part of Marvel is a distinct franchise and features crossovers with other Marvel properties. We aren't covering instances when characters original to the MCU crossover into other franchises and series as mentioned above, I don't see why we'd be covering instances when settings or places original to the MCU appear in other franchises or series.
Pro Bot said:
Earth-616A would be accurate but redundant. The MCU isn't Earth-616C, it's Earth-199999. Earth-616A would just be Earth-616.

Earth-616 (Earth-616A)
Earth-616B (Earth-616)
Earth-199999 (Earth-616)
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The MCU projects disagree and as this is the MCU timeline they are the primary source but because having two 616s would be confusing and Sony kinda made a way to handle that I think that following its numbering in that case would be a good way to still be consistent to the films while considering the comics.
Pro Bot said:
I can accept that... but the scenes after Logan's death should still be Earth-17315 regardless. You'd basically be placing the specific future where Logan happened in D&W in a different timeline to Logan. Like, we're acknowledging the What If...? reality numbers here. That's my stance anyway, it's more consistent to follow the comic numbers as absolute gospel. I'll let others chip in though.
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I strongly disagree. When regarding the MCU it's consistent to use what the films present over what the Appendix says as this is not a timeline for the comics, it's a timeline for the films. The MCU wiki also does this regarding Earth-10005 because it is more consistent to the franchise it's covering.
 
Pro Bot said:
Feige approved the MCU/comics crossovers, did he not? It's clear that the MCU is not Earth-616 as a result.
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If he didn't see his own universe as 616, I'm sure it would be much clearer than niche comics. TBH, we have no idea what involvement he actually had in them. If he really saw his universe as 199999, he easily could have it referred as such the numerous times we've seen this universe be given a number in various projects.

If you want to see the universe as 199999 that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to say it's clear the MCU is not seen as 616.

I do feel both side have logical points. Which is why I think it should be up to the individual on which logic they want to take to form their own beliefs. I don't see either as wrong or right.
 
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Pro Bot said:
Feige approved the MCU/comics crossovers, did he not? It's clear that the MCU is not Earth-616 as a result.
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This is blatantly incorrect. There are multiple official MCU sources that disprove this showing as far as the MCU is concerned it is Earth-616. You can act like the comics and films using the same numbering means whatever you want it to mean. But this is an MCU timeline and as long as the MCU actively considers the Earth numbers to be whatever they are, be it Earth-10005 or Earth-616, that's the number that will be used regardless of what the comics are doing despite crossovers on their pages outside of MCU branded material.
 
Starvel said:
This is blatantly incorrect. There are multiple official MCU sources that disprove this showing as far as the MCU is concerned it is Earth-616.
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Do you consider SSU canon? If yes, then do you consider Spider-Verse canon? If yes (this timeline does clearly), then Spider-Verse acknowledges the comic book canon (and Earth-199999 numbering). Then, we have Feige literally announcing a crossover comic book between the MCU and comic books written by someone who wrote for Loki that acts as a direct sequel to that show. You literally cannot get any more explicit. You have to ignore things that should be objectively canon to the MCU in order to say that it's not Earth-199999. It might be called Earth-616, but it is not technically Earth-616.

Starvel said:
You can act like the comics and films using the same numbering means whatever you want it to mean. But this is an MCU timeline and as long as the MCU actively considers the Earth numbers to be whatever they are, be it Earth-10005 or Earth-616, that's the number that will be used regardless of what the comics are doing despite crossovers on their pages outside of MCU branded material.
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This timeline literally acknowledges the comic book reality numbers. I'm advocating for consistency. Either use the canon numbers or don't use any numbers other than the incorrect ones the MCU gives out. Why use different numbering systems instead of the Captain Britain designations? And if you will use exclusively the 838 Illuminati/TVA designations, then you don't have a number for What If...?, SSU, Destroyed Earth, etc. The timeline has been entirely consistent with the comics numbers thus far until Deadpool & Wolverine, I'm pointing that out. Do you think the reality numbers on Selishmisery's X-Men timeline came from that franchise? Most of the Spider-Verse realities don't use "B" at the end of them and yet I did for every single universe in my timeline. I appreciated the consistency there, and I'm just saying that if you're not going to commit to that consistency, then I personally argue that most universes with a number on this site don't have an MCU number.
 

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