Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 5)

BabyBomber said:
Praying that bro doesn't see conflicting Darkholds and writes it all off as an alternate timeline (multiple copy truthers must prevail)
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We have two Angela del Toros in the Defenders shows (one mentioned but never seen adult version brought up in Jessica Jones, and one that's clearly a young teen in DD: Born Again)

We can have a Prime-Darkhold and some copycat/offshoot Darkhold by another magical author in the same universe.
 
selfishmisery said:
We have two Angela del Toros in the Defenders shows (one mentioned but never seen adult version brought up in Jessica Jones, and one that's clearly a young teen in DD: Born Again)

We can have a Prime-Darkhold and some copycat/offshoot Darkhold by another magical author in the same universe.
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plus even the original is just a copy of the wundagore spells

of anything that contradicts between pre-mcu marvel tv and the disney plus series the darkhold holds the least water lmao
 
myusernameyes said:
the appendix is numbering a bunch of realities again and they've given them to kahhori's universe and the wanda from the tva comic
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I was initially unsure of the comic's canonicity, and assumed it was just comics TVA with similar events to the show happening, but ig it's canon now
 
Earth-42872 Diverged from Earth-199999 when Pietro Maximoff survived the Battle of Sokovia, only to be shot by a protestor later. Scarlet Witch joined the Avengers and was believed to have died at Mount Wundagore but in reality was taken by the TVA and placed into stasis. (Scarlet Witch seen) TVA #3 (2025)

Earth-43166 Diverged from reality-199999 when Ragnarok came to Asgard centuries earlier. The Tesseract landed in North America and shattered, imbuing the Space Stone energies into many of the native Mohawk people. What If...? episode What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World? (2023)
 
stphylcccs said:
I was initially unsure of the comic's canonicity, and assumed it was just comics TVA with similar events to the show happening, but ig it's canon now
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The MCU is canon to the Marvel Multiverse, which we already knew. It would have been redundant to say that there's an identical TVA where the events of Loki also happened... that's kinda stupid, frankly.
 
Pro Bot said:
The MCU is canon to the Marvel Multiverse, which we already knew. It would have been redundant to say that there's an identical TVA where the events of Loki also happened... that's kinda stupid, frankly.
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The Marvel wiki gets it right, I'd say.
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Time Variance Authority (Null-Time Zone)

The Time Variance Authority, or TVA, is an infinitely vast bureaucracy created in the far future that exists outside of time and reality in the Null-Time Zone. It governed a sizeable number of the infinite realities in the ever-growing multiverse,[15] overseeing, adjusting and balancing...
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Pro Bot said:
The MCU is canon to the Marvel Multiverse, which we already knew. It would have been redundant to say that there's an identical TVA where the events of Loki also happened... that's kinda stupid, frankly.
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Surely since the MCU is doing its own multiverse (separate to how the comics have done it I believe) it would be different, even if there is an identical Earth-199999 in the comics multiverse?

I feel this could start a massive argument, so I'm probably not gonna touch on the topic more right now.
 
stphylcccs said:
Surely since the MCU is doing its own multiverse (separate to how the comics have done it I believe) it would be different, even if there is an identical Earth-199999 in the comics multiverse?

I feel this could start a massive argument, so I'm probably not gonna touch on the topic more right now.
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This is usually the take of MCU fans who don't know the comics that well. If the MCU happens exactly the same in the comic multiverse, then it's in the comic multiverse. Every "contradiction" already exists within the canon of the comics, thus they do fit together. Like, you're saying that everything happened the exact same, which means things like the TVA calling the MCU Earth-616 still happened, but then you're using something that is canon in the comics to justify it not being canon to the comics.

Even those contradictions are flawed. The TVA are not the Captain Britain corps. Why would they have the same designations if the TVA was isolated from the Marvel Multiverse by He Who Remains? They obviously couldn't possibly know about the true Earth-616 until after Loki Season 2. Same with the Illuminati. Further, America Chavez being the only version of herself in the multiverse? Guess what... that's comic accurate. She thought she was unique in the multiverse in the comics too, before she met her variants.

If we know that they fit together, then having another separate canon where they don't becomes redundant. It's like Alien fans trying to ignore Predator even though the new Predator film clearly accepts all Alien and Predator films as canon to it. What's the point? If officially they're the same multiverse, then we don't need to craft a pretend scenario where they aren't just to simplify it for the movie-only audience who don't even know what Earth-199999 is.
 
The Appendix also stated serveral What If...? realities are branches from Earth-199999 as well as the 2091 and 1931 Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. timelines. Earth-199999 isn't a copy of the MCU... it IS the MCU.
 
Why does something happening identically in one multiverse mean it's the same multiverse? Even in the same multiverse, 2 universes could hypothetically be the same - this doesn't mean they're the same universe, it just means they're identical. It'd be like saying the DC comics multiverse is the same as the Marvel comics multiverse - they both have different, fleshed out multiverses, yet they cross over with each other, since there are clone universes in the marvel multiverse. Since the MCU is an adaptation of a multiverse, it is set in its own, unique multiverse.

That's just my take on it though, I don't believe it's been confirmed nor denied (other than a book from years ago stating Earth-199999 is the same as the main universe of the MCU - though since the MCU is a multiverse, not just one universe, this would be irrelevant).
 
stphylcccs said:
Why does something happening identically in one multiverse mean it's the same multiverse?
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It's not "happening identically", it is the same universe. You're creating redundancies when the simplest answer is clearly correct.

stphylcccs said:
Even in the same multiverse, 2 universes could hypothetically be the same - this doesn't mean they're the same universe, it just means they're identical. It'd be like saying the DC comics multiverse is the same as the Marvel comics multiverse - they both have different, fleshed out multiverses, yet they cross over with each other, since there are clone universes in the marvel multiverse.
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Those aren't clone universes, those are quite literally the exact same DC and Marvel universes in both. As in, they would be affected by both multiverses at the same time if a big event happened. Think of it like two circles, DC Multiverse and Marvel Multiverse, overlapping. The overlap is in both multiverses simultaneously. It's part of a "Megaverse".

stphylcccs said:
Since the MCU is an adaptation of a multiverse, it is set in its own, unique multiverse.
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The Flash (movie) is an adaptation of the DC multiverse separate from the CW, but we both know that the DCEU and the Arrowverse are the same multiverse.

stphylcccs said:
That's just my take on it though, I don't believe it's been confirmed nor denied (other than a book from years ago stating Earth-199999 is the same as the main universe of the MCU - though since the MCU is a multiverse, not just one universe, this would be irrelevant).
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It's been confirmed by the fact that MCU characters have crossed universes into Earth-616. Kahhori, written by the same writers and confirmed to be the same one from What If...?, had a sequel comic where she went to Earth-616.
 
Pro Bot said:
Earth-42872 Diverged from Earth-199999 when Pietro Maximoff survived the Battle of Sokovia, only to be shot by a protestor later. Scarlet Witch joined the Avengers and was believed to have died at Mount Wundagore but in reality was taken by the TVA and placed into stasis. (Scarlet Witch seen) TVA #3 (2025)

Earth-43166 Diverged from reality-199999 when Ragnarok came to Asgard centuries earlier. The Tesseract landed in North America and shattered, imbuing the Space Stone energies into many of the native Mohawk people. What If...? episode What If... Kahhori Reshaped the World? (2023)
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