Yeah, sorry about that. It was 1500. I don't know how I messed it up that bad. Maybe I conflated it with the Solo trailer where it's said Chewbacca is 190...
And a couple more points I caught:
Gamora says she hates Thanos, and Thanos replies that she said that to him "every day for almost 20 years". I don't know if we should assume that means it was almost 20 years from the time he took her in (in the flashback) until she left him. She probably didn't hate him from the start, so maybe it was more time than that.
And according to Thor, Thanos got the power stone when he attacked Xandar "last week", though it's not clear how he knows that. Maybe Thanos gloated with it right before the first scene of the movie (the movie opens with Thanos and his henchmen in the Asgard ship, with most of the Asgardians already dead and Thor incapacitated).
Yeah, sorry about that. It was 1500. I don't know how I messed it up that bad. Maybe I conflated it with the Solo trailer where it's said Chewbacca is 190...
And a couple more points I caught:
Gamora says she hates Thanos, and Thanos replies that she said that to him "every day for almost 20 years". I don't know if we should assume that means it was almost 20 years from the time he took her in (in the flashback) until she left him. She probably didn't hate him from the start, so maybe it was more time than that.
And according to Thor, Thanos got the power stone when he attacked Xandar "last week", though it's not clear how he knows that. Maybe Thanos gloated with it right before the first scene of the movie (the movie opens with Thanos and his henchmen in the Asgard ship, with most of the Asgardians already dead and Thor incapacitated).
Which means The Cosmic Quest Vol 1: The Beginning novel has to occur sometime in that week long span. Nice. Always love narrowing stuff down more.
As for Thor being 1500... that kind of conflicts with the first Thor film's timeline of 965 AD, least for Loki. Unless we're to assume Thor is around 500 years older than Loki, which I suppose is possible, but that means he retained a child like form until around 500 years old, which does sort of match up if you look at it as a slowed aging process compared to humans. So, for Asgardians, 500 years or so is equivalent to 10 years aging for a human, which lines up with Thor being around 30 years old (by human comparison in terms of appearance) at 1500 years old.
So, it works, it just requires acknowledging Loki is about 400-500 years younger than Thor, though their similar appearing ages in the first Thor film's flashbacks can be attributed to their different origins/genetics... one is an Asgardian, the other is a Frost Giant.
Yeah, just saw the film, and there's a couple of references to Civil War being two years ago, and at least one reference to The Avengers being six years ago, so the 'eight years later' is very firmly out the window.
Having come from it now, I'll add what I can:
*Yup, Tony says the Battle of New York was 6 years ago, and it was great.
*Vision says it's been 2 years since he and Wanda started disappearing off together for a while at a time, which we know from the prelude comic was just after Civil War.
*Rhodey, I think it was, says it's been a couple of years since Civil War.
*Again I think it was Rhodey says that Steve went into the ice 70 years ago. The "75" in Age of Ultron and the "70" in this should have just switched.
*The flashbacks with Gamora are said to have been from "almost 20 years" before Guardians of the Galaxy, because they're made to sound the "almost 20 years" is the time Gamora spent with Thanos, so they're around the mid-1990s.
*Thor says he's "fifteen-hundred" (1500). You have to assume he's rounding. He's probably thinking "I'm a bit over 1000 but I was born 2 millennia ago, I'm just going to say I'm 1500". Like, if it were March 2018 and I were talking about an event from about December 2016, I'd probably say "about a year-and-a-half ago", because it's 1 in mathematical rounded years but 2 calendar years, and I'd want to settle in the middle. He's probably basically saying he's a millennia-and-a-half old. He can't be much older than Loki, because in Thor: Ragnarok, he finishes telling the snake story saying, "... And he stabbed me. We were 8 at the time." This means that they're less than a year apart. Plus, traditionally, at least in the comics and the wiki says in the films as well (although I don't know whether this was confirmed), Asgardians age at a normal rate until adulthood before slowing down, and with them both being 10-11 in scenes shown in Thor, they must be close in age. I actually did some calculations a while back, and while it's out-of-date/needs updating (I hadn't caught the line about them being 8, Thor: Ragnarok was still placed in mid-2017 mainly based on it being 2 years since Avengers: Age of Ultron, and now there's new data from Avengers: Infinity War), but at the time I came to the conclusion that Asgardians age normally to about 19.5, and then age at about one 97.6th of the speed of a human.
*Vision turned off his receiver to go to spend time with Wanda 2 weeks ago. Not really important to this discussion because it's not a scene, but oh well.
*A big thing happened a week ago.
Thanos taking the Power Stone from Xandar, as discussed above.
*Bucky calls himself a "100-year-old man" (could very much be considered rounding, but technically, he would still literally be 100 before March 2018 ).
*They say it's "years" since Thor: The Dark World.
Also, an extra point which I'm putting in spoiler tags because while I won't talk about the reasoning, some people could take hints, maybe right or wrong, from what I say. But I would be SHOCKED if Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. does a tie-in episode. Frankly, the rest of Season 5 and almost all of Season 6, if it happens, will have to be set before Infinity War. Nothing in the MCU can pass Infinity War, because it has a cliffhanger of an ending that would be spoiled otherwise. For the same reasons, Ant-Man and the Wasp is 100% either set fully before or before/during Infinity War. It cannot be after.
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No. Our only clue is T'Challa saying "the White Wolf has rested long enough".
But then I feel like he hasn't been awake that long, since eventually he and Cap would want to meet up. Unless Cap has already visited him in Wakanda. I'll have to watch IW again.
And we know that Shuri knew how to fix Bucky "months" after Civil War, as per the Prelude comic.
I saw the Russo Black Panther thing, but I don't think it means anything. Whenever anyone asks the Russos about the timeline, they're just like "real time". It happened when asked about the time between Age of Ultron and Civil War, when asked about the time between Civil War and Infinity War, and now Black Panther and Infinity War. Plus, in their films, you have Vision saying it's 8 years since Iron Man in Civil War, Sam saying it's 2 years since Winter Soldier in Civil War, and Vision saying it's 2 years since Civil War in Infinity War, and Tony saying it's 6 years since Avengers in Infinity War. You could interpret it as being them referring to the credits scene of Black Panther, but I took the moment with the White Wolf in Infinity War to mean that Bucky had just been helping farm in Wakanda for quite a while. We know Shuri was probably about 80% there with fixing Bucky "months" after Civil War, so I'd say they woke him only a couple of months later. The Black Panther scene is also a little bit after him being woken, because Shuri asks the kids if they're bothering him "again", or something like that.
It's not referenced at all. But it's the exact same character design for Groot, I'll try and see if I can tell if he's playing the same video game or not. Not that it'll definitively place it... and I doubt anything ever will. It's just a gag scene anyways.
It's not referenced at all. But it's the exact same character design for Groot, I'll try and see if I can tell if he's playing the same video game or not. Not that it'll definitively place it... and I doubt anything ever will. It's just a gag scene anyways.
So after tonight I'd say Trump, if not a Trump analogue, won the 2016 election. That's like the millionth reference to the current administration in AOS.
However (mild Infinity War spoiler):
Was it stated the Ross was still Secretary of State? Or is he just an Avengers liaison in another position? I noticed he had his same aid from Civil War.
While it's not totally unprecedented, it's EXTREMELY rare in the past 100 years even for a presidential cabinet head to stay on through a change in leadership. Nothing you can't explain away, just pointing it out.
I think it was ment to be reference to IW, but if that doesn't work for timeline, it's vague enough to just ignore or pretend it's about one of Defenders shows. I haven't seen most recent of Netflix stuff yet, but there's always something going on in NY in MCU.
I think it was ment to be reference to IW, but if that doesn't work for timeline, it's vague enough to just ignore or pretend it's about one of Defenders shows. I haven't seen most recent of Netflix stuff yet, but there's always something going on in NY in MCU.
Good point. They always lag behind their release date, so while I'm betting Cage 2 is like Summer 2017, DD 3 or IF 2 will more than likely be within a couple months of January 2018 so I'm betting that works.
Hope that's not the extent of our IW "crossover" though.
Was it stated the Ross was still Secretary of State? Or is he just an Avengers liaison in another position? I noticed he had his same aid from Civil War.
While it's not totally unprecedented, it's EXTREMELY rare in the past 100 years even for a presidential cabinet head to stay on through a change in leadership. Nothing you can't explain away, just pointing it out.
I think Cap calls him "Mr. Secretary", I'm not sure if anyone else does. Of course it could be argued that Cap has been in hiding so he's a little out of the loop, but it seems unlikely he wouldn't stay on top of things.
I don't remember any references to secretaries or presidents in IW. What am I missing here? I don't think what I asked requires spoiler tags, but feel free to answer with them.
Yeah, just saw the film, and there's a couple of references to Civil War being two years ago, and at least one reference to The Avengers being six years ago, so the 'eight years later' is very firmly out the window.
Having come from it now, I'll add what I can:
*Yup, Tony says the Battle of New York was 6 years ago, and it was great.
*Vision says it's been 2 years since he and Wanda started disappearing off together for a while at a time, which we know from the prelude comic was just after Civil War.
*Rhodey, I think it was, says it's been a couple of years since Civil War.
*Again I think it was Rhodey says that Steve went into the ice 70 years ago. The "75" in Age of Ultron and the "70" in this should have just switched.
*The flashbacks with Gamora are said to have been from "almost 20 years" before Guardians of the Galaxy, because they're made to sound the "almost 20 years" is the time Gamora spent with Thanos, so they're around the mid-1990s.
*Thor says he's "fifteen-hundred" (1500). You have to assume he's rounding. He's probably thinking "I'm a bit over 1000 but I was born 2 millennia ago, I'm just going to say I'm 1500". Like, if it were March 2018 and I were talking about an event from about December 2016, I'd probably say "about a year-and-a-half ago", because it's 1 in mathematical rounded years but 2 calendar years, and I'd want to settle in the middle. He's probably basically saying he's a millennia-and-a-half old. He can't be much older than Loki, because in Thor: Ragnarok, he finishes telling the snake story saying, "... And he stabbed me. We were 8 at the time." This means that they're less than a year apart. Plus, traditionally, at least in the comics and the wiki says in the films as well (although I don't know whether this was confirmed), Asgardians age at a normal rate until adulthood before slowing down, and with them both being 10-11 in scenes shown in Thor, they must be close in age. I actually did some calculations a while back, and while it's out-of-date/needs updating (I hadn't caught the line about them being 8, Thor: Ragnarok was still placed in mid-2017 mainly based on it being 2 years since Avengers: Age of Ultron, and now there's new data from Avengers: Infinity War), but at the time I came to the conclusion that Asgardians age normally to about 19.5, and then age at about one 97.6th of the speed of a human.
Ah, had forgotten about that mention in Ragnarok. Good catch.
*Vision turned off his receiver to go to spend time with Wanda 2 weeks ago. Not really important to this discussion because it's not a scene, but oh well.
*A big thing happened a week ago.
Thanos taking the Power Stone from Xandar, as discussed above.
*Bucky calls himself a "100-year-old man" (could very much be considered rounding, but technically, he would still literally be 100 before March 2018 ).
*They say it's "years" since Thor: The Dark World.
Also, an extra point which I'm putting in spoiler tags because while I won't talk about the reasoning, some people could take hints, maybe right or wrong, from what I say. But I would be SHOCKED if Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. does a tie-in episode. Frankly, the rest of Season 5 and almost all of Season 6, if it happens, will have to be set before Infinity War. Nothing in the MCU can pass Infinity War, because it has a cliffhanger of an ending that would be spoiled otherwise. For the same reasons, Ant-Man and the Wasp is 100% either set fully before or before/during Infinity War. It cannot be after.
Unfortunately with last night's episode of AoS referencing the stuff going on in New York, they are indeed seemingly doing crossover with it (though very slight and subtle, so more reference than crossover). However, we can assume last night's episode (which made the reference to IW) occurs during first half of film (the film seems to cover a couple days, starting midday on Day 1 and ending around same time, or at least well into day, of following day, Day 2). Likely last night's episode occurs during Day 1, with the initial attack on New York.
However, if by next episode
some of the agents haven't disappeared into a cloud of ash
, that's going to create a huge continuity gaffe/problem.
I'm pretty sure Ant-Man and the Wasp has been confirmed to occur before Infinity War, but I may be wrong.
Just checked, apparently Marvel have confirmed Ant-Man and the Wasp occurs sometime before Infinity War (but obviously after Civil War and Black Panther):
Yeah, once again they're just kind of following real world release date stuff and not really acknowledging the dialogue or dates on props. But the dialogue and what's shown onscreen always trump anything else, far as this timeline is concerned. It's odd, there's often a notable discrepancy in what's shown or heard onscreen versus what the directors/producers/actors mention in interviews regarding the timeline of the various entries.
No. Our only clue is T'Challa saying "the White Wolf has rested long enough".
But then I feel like he hasn't been awake that long, since eventually he and Cap would want to meet up. Unless Cap has already visited him in Wakanda. I'll have to watch IW again.
And we know that Shuri knew how to fix Bucky "months" after Civil War, as per the Prelude comic.
The way I view it is that BP post credit scene with Bucky occurs, as said, months after events of Civil War, so likely late in 2017. I imagine after awakening he continued some form of therapy and testing under Shuri's guidance to completely eliminate the brainwashing and trigger words. So figure, he's been recuperating for probably at least a few months after awakening in late 2017, so likely early 2018.
I saw the Russo Black Panther thing, but I don't think it means anything. Whenever anyone asks the Russos about the timeline, they're just like "real time". It happened when asked about the time between Age of Ultron and Civil War, when asked about the time between Civil War and Infinity War, and now Black Panther and Infinity War. Plus, in their films, you have Vision saying it's 8 years since Iron Man in Civil War, Sam saying it's 2 years since Winter Soldier in Civil War, and Vision saying it's 2 years since Civil War in Infinity War, and Tony saying it's 6 years since Avengers in Infinity War. You could interpret it as being them referring to the credits scene of Black Panther, but I took the moment with the White Wolf in Infinity War to mean that Bucky had just been helping farm in Wakanda for quite a while. We know Shuri was probably about 80% there with fixing Bucky "months" after Civil War, so I'd say they woke him only a couple of months later. The Black Panther scene is also a little bit after him being woken, because Shuri asks the kids if they're bothering him "again", or something like that.
So after tonight I'd say Trump, if not a Trump analogue, won the 2016 election. That's like the millionth reference to the current administration in AOS.
Was it stated the Ross was still Secretary of State? Or is he just an Avengers liaison in another position? I noticed he had his same aid from Civil War.
While it's not totally unprecedented, it's EXTREMELY rare in the past 100 years even for a presidential cabinet head to stay on through a change in leadership. Nothing you can't explain away, just pointing it out.
I can't remember, but I THINK Rhodes referred to him as Mr. Secretary, but could be misremembering. That is a good point about the admin change, but I suppose it could be explained away as a Trump-like analogue seeing value in Ross' war hawk tendencies and approaches.
I think it was ment to be reference to IW, but if that doesn't work for timeline, it's vague enough to just ignore or pretend it's about one of Defenders shows. I haven't seen most recent of Netflix stuff yet, but there's always something going on in NY in MCU.
It's definitely a reference to Infinity War. Episode that aired the day it came out making that reference is intentional synergy with same subtle approach as past couple seasons.
That said, I'm not ready to place IW in January, 2018, as the New York set scenes in the film are clearly occurring sometime when the weather is spring or summer like. I think best compromise is to place it in March, and stretch out/add a bit more time after Yo-Yo's surgeries and recuperation time (which makes sense, as squeezing it all into only a month or so doesn't allow enough recovery time or time for them to integrate the tech with her biology. So, I'm going to just space those episodes out more.
That said, my external hard drive just crapped out so I lost all the episodes I had saved, so if someone could provide best spot to put those spaces I'd appreciate it. I'm thinking after 5x13 we could put a break of a month or so to allow for the cold weather seen in one of those episodes (can't remember off top of my head but I'd mentioned it on the thread a few pages back), and allow a progression into March.
There is a potential problem brewing, though. If this episode occurs during first half/first day of the IW film, then likely the next episode will occur on the second day, when Thanos
snaps his fingers and wipes half the population from existence... if none of the agents disappear into clouds of ash
there's going to be a serious continuity gaffe/problem.
I think it's almost certainly not going to work as an Infinity War tie-in. It could refer to anything really - it could just be referring to the Marauders at Lake Ontario, since that's New York. I don't think the writers knew what happens in Infinity War, and they thought they'd have a guess and just mention something happening in New York, as is evident from the trailers. In December, they actually said there would be no crossover - although granted, at the time they thought their season would be done before Infinity War, as is clear in the interview. But yeah, it's very vague, and technically the Marauders in the episode arriving at Lake Ontario are arriving in New York, you could just say it's referring to that - although they mention that River's End has been cut off technologically, so it wouldn't entirely work. I see no way that with 3 episodes to go in the season, they suddenly deal with the massive repercussions of Infinity War, and it would be very weird if anything got past Infinity War in the timeline until Avengers 4 comes out, because
of the massive, universe-changing cliffhanger. The only way I can see things passing Avengers 4 is if there is some sort of time stuff going on in Avengers 4 that means after that film's events, no one in the universe will remember the time half of the universe was wiped out and everything's back to normal as if nothing happened, meaning technically Infinity War could slot in anywhere.
There's no easy way to get Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. later than January.
*Episode 12 - "12-06-2017".
-Possible gap, but not particularly long-
*Episode 13 - A small amount of time after Episode 12. Not defined, but Fitz and Simmons "just" got married and other dialogue and actions suggest it's only been a few days.
-Possible gap, but not particularly long-
*Day 1
**Episode 14 - A small amount of time after Episode 13. Not defined, but the team are still trying to desperately plug the rift. Seems like merely days since Episodes 11 and 12, but it has to be at least 4 weeks since Yo-Yo got her arms cut off, because her arm stumps have healed over. I did some googling, and apparently with good surgery - which we saw her getting - it takes at least 4 weeks to heal over. But it does not seem like it can have been much more than 4 weeks because it gives a sense of only being days. With Yo-Yo's arms being cut off the evening of December 4, 2017, that would make this at least January 1, 2018.
**Episode 15 opening - Coulson is given a room/cell, and told he will get answers in the morning.
*Day 2
**Episode 15 "24 hours ago" section - Coulson wakes, meets Ruby, finds out what happened to Talbot.
*Day 3
**Episode 15 - Daisy and Fitz talk, Daisy decides to get Robin out of hiding. Simmons tells Fitz they're invincible. This is the reference point for all the flashbacks in the episode. "28 years ago" Hale stuff. "2 years ago" just before Civil War, during Season 3, Episode 17. This supports the fact that it is now 2018. "6 months ago" Talbot and Hale, and "24 hours ago", events the morning after Episode 14.
*Day 4
**Episode 16 - Ruby says Coulson has been in isolation for 2 days - since the "24 hours ago" events from last episode. The events of Episode 16: Creel takes in some gravitonium. Daisy gets Robin from the Retreat. Simmons pulls the stunt to get Fitz freed and lock Mack up. They fly off to England. Coulson and Talbot escape to the mountains. Flashback to Beginning of the End shown as "four years ago", so with this timeline placing that in December 2013, you probably don't want this to be much later than the early January 2018 it seems to be currently.
The events of Episode 17, 18, and 19 then follow, and I haven't had a chance to do any time zone working-out, but I think it carries over into Day 5.
Episode 17: The "Invincible Three" skydive out of the jet in England. Daisy fights Ruby. Deke is injured. Piper frees Mack. The Invincible Three investigate the site in Herefordshire. Hale locks Ruby in her room. Strucker frees her. Talbot asks Daisy if he can call his family. They operate on Deke. Yo-Yo kills Ivanov. Ruby and Strucker make FitzSimmons fix the chamber. Talbot's conditioning is activated on the phone to his wife.
Episode 18: Talbot is on the loose. FitzSimmons work on the machine. Daisy and May team up with Hale. Yo-Yo protects herself in the jet. Talbot takes Robin. The gravitonium is put into the machine. Coulson stops Talbot. Ruby goes into the machine. Ruby kills Strucker. Yo-Yo kills Ruby. Hale tells Qovas he can attack.
Episode 19: Last night's episode.
So yeah, very much seems like we're still in early January 2018 - whereas Infinity War is more likely spring.
Also, with all this presidency talk - yeah, Steve calls Ross "Mr. Secretary" - but with the character in Runaways turning up at Gert's club in an "I'm with Her" T-shirt and saying "this T-shirt no longer fills me with unspeakable sadness!" or something like that, the various references in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. to the political climate, and Griffin in Jessica Jones: Season 2 saying to the press something like "Go chase some "alternative facts", yeah?", I think it's safe to guess that Trump or someone similar is now in charge.
Unfortunately I agree with Agamotto about the whole January thing.
I agree Infinity War seems more like Spring, and I'd like it as close to March/April as possible to make it a full two years, but January is only a few months off and we've never let weather stop a logical placement before. Winter Soldier is December even though it was clearly filmed in Summer, the recent Jessica Jones 2 May placement, Doctor Strange opening scenes, etc.
And really, the closer it is to Ragnarok, the better. Has them floating in space towards Earth for less time.
The only way I can see things passing Avengers 4 is if there is some sort of time stuff going on in Avengers 4 that means after that film's events, no one in the universe will remember the time half of the universe was wiped out and everything's back to normal as if nothing happened, meaning technically Infinity War could slot in anywhere.
It's not like Marvel is going to leave so many popular characters dead, let alone half their fictional universe, so a timeline reset in some way shape or form is a certainty. As impressed as I would be if the next episodes/season or so of SHIELD (depending on its renewal chances) dealt with the fallout of half the Earth's population being eliminated, I doubt that'll the case. I'm not caught up on SHIELD fully, but it seems like they're still headed towards an alternate timeline anyway, making this even less of an issue. The second Incident in New York probably occurs before the divergence point between the Destroyer of Worlds/Thanos's Balance/revised Avengers 4 corrected timelines, but the TV shows won't (and needn't) be affected by the end of the film because the Earth will either be shattered before Thanos's forces can attack Wokanda or Avengers 4 will reset the events of the film before everyone dies.
It'd be nice if at least the Second Incident was referenced in the Netflix shows eventually, but this is going to be a difficult plot point for the TV side to follow up on, given the impossibility of trying to plan entire seasons around a cliffhanger ending whose resolution can't be revealed for an entire year.
I wouldn't worry about the Netflix stuff. Guaranteed Luke Cage 2 and Daredevil 3 take place in 2017. I'd say the same is more than likely for Iron Fist 2 and Punisher 2 as well. They won't be getting near Infinity War until Jessica Jones 3, and that won't be out until well after A4.
I think it's almost certainly not going to work as an Infinity War tie-in. It could refer to anything really - it could just be referring to the Marauders at Lake Ontario, since that's New York. I don't think the writers knew what happens in Infinity War, and they thought they'd have a guess and just mention something happening in New York, as is evident from the trailers. In December, they actually said there would be no crossover - although granted, at the time they thought their season would be done before Infinity War, as is clear in the interview. But yeah, it's very vague, and technically the Marauders in the episode arriving at Lake Ontario are arriving in New York, you could just say it's referring to that - although they mention that River's End has been cut off technologically, so it wouldn't entirely work. I see no way that with 3 episodes to go in the season, they suddenly deal with the massive repercussions of Infinity War, and it would be very weird if anything got past Infinity War in the timeline until Avengers 4 comes out, because
of the massive, universe-changing cliffhanger. The only way I can see things passing Avengers 4 is if there is some sort of time stuff going on in Avengers 4 that means after that film's events, no one in the universe will remember the time half of the universe was wiped out and everything's back to normal as if nothing happened, meaning technically Infinity War could slot in anywhere.
Yeah, maybe. It depends on how much time the latter three episodes of AoS's season cover. If they're largely set one right after the other, which is likely heading into the season finale, it is a possibility those episodes all occur over one day. Currently the AoS timeline, as of end of AoS 5x19, seems to occur on same day as invasion of New York and ending at night, likely after the scenes from IW set in Scotland at night (since thats like 5 hours ahead of NY).
Again, I DO think the reference to New York was an intentional reference to Infinity War. And they're right that there isn't a crossover, like the first couple seasons did with direct crossovers, its a subtle reference like the past couple years have done.
There's no easy way to get Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. later than January.
*Episode 12 - "12-06-2017".
-Possible gap, but not particularly long-
*Episode 13 - A small amount of time after Episode 12. Not defined, but Fitz and Simmons "just" got married and other dialogue and actions suggest it's only been a few days.
-Possible gap, but not particularly long-
*Day 1
**Episode 14 - A small amount of time after Episode 13. Not defined, but the team are still trying to desperately plug the rift. Seems like merely days since Episodes 11 and 12, but it has to be at least 4 weeks since Yo-Yo got her arms cut off, because her arm stumps have healed over. I did some googling, and apparently with good surgery - which we saw her getting - it takes at least 4 weeks to heal over. But it does not seem like it can have been much more than 4 weeks because it gives a sense of only being days. With Yo-Yo's arms being cut off the evening of December 4, 2017, that would make this at least January 1, 2018.
**Episode 15 opening - Coulson is given a room/cell, and told he will get answers in the morning.
*Day 2
**Episode 15 "24 hours ago" section - Coulson wakes, meets Ruby, finds out what happened to Talbot.
*Day 3
**Episode 15 - Daisy and Fitz talk, Daisy decides to get Robin out of hiding. Simmons tells Fitz they're invincible. This is the reference point for all the flashbacks in the episode. "28 years ago" Hale stuff. "2 years ago" just before Civil War, during Season 3, Episode 17. This supports the fact that it is now 2018. "6 months ago" Talbot and Hale, and "24 hours ago", events the morning after Episode 14.
*Day 4
**Episode 16 - Ruby says Coulson has been in isolation for 2 days - since the "24 hours ago" events from last episode. The events of Episode 16: Creel takes in some gravitonium. Daisy gets Robin from the Retreat. Simmons pulls the stunt to get Fitz freed and lock Mack up. They fly off to England. Coulson and Talbot escape to the mountains. Flashback to Beginning of the End shown as "four years ago", so with this timeline placing that in December 2013, you probably don't want this to be much later than the early January 2018 it seems to be currently.
The events of Episode 17, 18, and 19 then follow, and I haven't had a chance to do any time zone working-out, but I think it carries over into Day 5.
Episode 17: The "Invincible Three" skydive out of the jet in England. Daisy fights Ruby. Deke is injured. Piper frees Mack. The Invincible Three investigate the site in Herefordshire. Hale locks Ruby in her room. Strucker frees her. Talbot asks Daisy if he can call his family. They operate on Deke. Yo-Yo kills Ivanov. Ruby and Strucker make FitzSimmons fix the chamber. Talbot's conditioning is activated on the phone to his wife.
Episode 18: Talbot is on the loose. FitzSimmons work on the machine. Daisy and May team up with Hale. Yo-Yo protects herself in the jet. Talbot takes Robin. The gravitonium is put into the machine. Coulson stops Talbot. Ruby goes into the machine. Ruby kills Strucker. Yo-Yo kills Ruby. Hale tells Qovas he can attack.
Episode 19: Last night's episode.
So yeah, very much seems like we're still in early January 2018 - whereas Infinity War is more likely spring.
I think Yo-Yo's recuperation time, as said, would be at least a month, and then we have to factor in the length of time for Fitz and Simmons to convert the android tech to work as a cybernetic, etc.
I'd say there's possible break points of at least a few weeks between 5x12 and 5x13 (with the latter putting us into January), and another possible break of a few weeks or more between 5x13 and 5x14. Remember, 4 weeks is the MINIMUM time in terms of healing for such an injury, but we also have to factor in the time, surgeries, and bug testing for her new cybernetic arms, which did present a challenge for Fitz, Simmons, and Mack.
Plus, again, its important to acknowledge the weather patterns in Infinity War absolutely don't reflect January in New York City. I think its more logical to assume slightly longer breaks between those few episodes to allow for the timeline to get to at least late Feb/early March to at least reflect early spring time. The winter weather in the outdoor scenes in AoS also no longer reflect winter weather.
Unfortunately I agree with Agamotto about the whole January thing.
I agree Infinity War seems more like Spring, and I'd like it as close to March/April as possible to make it a full two years, but January is only a few months off and we've never let weather stop a logical placement before. Winter Soldier is December even though it was clearly filmed in Summer, the recent Jessica Jones 2 May placement, Doctor Strange opening scenes, etc.
And really, the closer it is to Ragnarok, the better. Has them floating in space towards Earth for less time.
Another thing about Ragnarok: while it's not explicitly stated, it seems clear to me the only reason Thanos is making such an aggressive play for the stones is because of the death of Odin and the destruction of Asgard.
This makes me think the post-credit scene from Age of Ultron needs to be much later than 2015. Thor is shocked to learn
the Dwarves are dead and Eitri forged the Gauntlet. Thanos does not have the Gauntlet in Avengers or Guardians and he wouldn't have been able to get away with killing everyone on Nidavellir under Heimdall's watch. Was it said in Ragnarok how long Skurge had operated the bifrost/Heimdall had been a fugitive? I feel like not that long, since you'd think he'd have eventually alerted more people about Loki.
The Spider-Man Homecoming 8 years later thing isn't really debated here anymore, but I thought I would add a clip right from director Joe Russo saying that 8 years later is incorrect.
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