Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Been rewatching AOS S3. I propose that the timeline be modified slightly. I believed Ultron and the proceeding Shield episodes should be moved up one month earlier in the timeline so that Ultron occurs in April 2015. I know of no hard reason why it must be in May and by moving it to april it fixes several shield S3 contunity problems.


1) Warner signs up for Dr. Gardner psychology class in S3e2 tag. The exterior shots of (Culvier University WV) show fall colors. School typically begins in September around labor day. Dr. Gardner says that Warner will have to do a "few weeks of makeup work". A few weeks after labor day would be October.

2) Since this scene is immediately after Simmons is rescued that makes simmons rescue in S3e2 also in October.

3) S3e3 @ about 6 min show hunter and melinda at a pub in Boston. The exterior is fall. Pumpkins and corn stalks are visible outside. Usually that is shorthand for October in film. When they enter the pub there is a "Boston Red Sox game day" banner in the window. Very big. Baseball season ends in the latter half of October.

4) Assuming that S3e2&3 are in October (1-31) we can count back 4722 hours to the S2e22 finale where simmons is taken. 4722 hours = 196 days. Thus simmons was lost sometime between April 14 2015 -May 14 2015, with the earlier dates being more probable due to reason #1 & 3 above.

5) AOS S3e1 explictly refers to the events at the end of Ant-man. If the placement of that film's climax in October is sound (which I believe is) then that puts simmons rescue in October at the earliest.

6) AOS S2e19-22 occur over several days. Ultron must occur before them. Increasing the likelyhood of Ultron being in april as opposed to early may in the range given in #4.

7) Ultron also begins with snow on the battle field. This points to an earlier rather than later start date. (yes i know it can snow in mountains later in the year but the trees are leafless so its clearly early spring at the latest in the mountains. This points me to April yet again.

8) S3e4 there appears to be a slight time jump from the previous episode with a mention of of hunter doing a job for hydra "last week". We never actually see the job on screen. This points me to S3e4 in November since due to reasons 1-5,7 above.

9) S3e7 chaos theory flashbacks are currently in the wrong place. Melinda does not leave for vacation until after S2e22. the scene is explicitly "6 months earlier" than S3e7. S3e7 is a "few weeks" past S2e2's tag scene which is a "few weeks" past the class starting. Counting back 6 months from November (my probable location for S3e7) we get the flashback scenes occurring in May, not April as presently in the timeline.



once again D. I think you've done a great job gathering and facilitating this discussion. Please take my comments as constructive, not destructive.

my timeline would go something like this

Ulton - likely mid April (begins with snow on the ground, so earlier in the year is more likely than later in the year)
AOS S2e19-22 - likely late april
AOS S3e7 flashbacks - May (melinda had been on vacation for at least a few days since it was their "last day" in Hawaii)
Ant-man Climax - October (assumed)
AOS S3e1-3 October (still within a few weeks of the semester starting and leaves would still be yellow as shown)
AOS S3e4,6-7 November (episode 4 occurs at least 1 week after e3. episodes 6/7 occur a "few weeks" after e3.)

Please share your thoughts and what if anything I overlooked.


Have not re-watched past this.

 

[DIrishB]

Been rewatching AOS S3. I propose that the timeline be modified slightly. I believed Ultron and the proceeding Shield episodes should be moved up one month earlier in the timeline so that Ultron occurs in April 2015. I know of no hard reason why it must be in May and by moving it to april it fixes several shield S3 contunity problems.


1) Warner signs up for Dr. Gardner psychology class in S3e2 tag. The exterior shots of (Culvier University WV) show fall colors. School typically begins in September around labor day. Dr. Gardner says that Warner will have to do a "few weeks of makeup work". A few weeks after labor day would be October.

2) Since this scene is immediately after Simmons is rescued that makes simmons rescue in S3e2 also in October.

3) S3e3 @ about 6 min show hunter and melinda at a pub in Boston. The exterior is fall. Pumpkins and corn stalks are visible outside. Usually that is shorthand for October in film. When they enter the pub there is a "Boston Red Sox game day" banner in the window. Very big. Baseball season ends in the latter half of October.

4) Assuming that S3e2&3 are in October (1-31) we can count back 4722 hours to the S2e22 finale where simmons is taken. 4722 hours = 196 days. Thus simmons was lost sometime between April 14 2015 -May 14 2015, with the earlier dates being more probable due to reason #1 & 3 above.

5) AOS S3e1 explictly refers to the events at the end of Ant-man. If the placement of that film's climax in October is sound (which I believe is) then that puts simmons rescue in October at the earliest.

6) AOS S2e19-22 occur over several days. Ultron must occur before them. Increasing the likelyhood of Ultron being in april as opposed to early may in the range given in #4.

7) Ultron also begins with snow on the battle field. This points to an earlier rather than later start date. (yes i know it can snow in mountains later in the year but the trees are leafless so its clearly early spring at the latest in the mountains. This points me to April yet again.

8) S3e4 there appears to be a slight time jump from the previous episode with a mention of of hunter doing a job for hydra "last week". We never actually see the job on screen. This points me to S3e4 in November since due to reasons 1-5,7 above.

9) S3e7 chaos theory flashbacks are currently in the wrong place. Melinda does not leave for vacation until after S2e22. the scene is explicitly "6 months earlier" than S3e7. S3e7 is a "few weeks" past S2e2's tag scene which is a "few weeks" past the class starting. Counting back 6 months from November (my probable location for S3e7) we get the flashback scenes occurring in May, not April as presently in the timeline.



once again D. I think you've done a great job gathering and facilitating this discussion. Please take my comments as constructive, not destructive.

my timeline would go something like this

Ulton - likely mid April (begins with snow on the ground, so earlier in the year is more likely than later in the year)
AOS S2e19-22 - likely late april
AOS S3e7 flashbacks - May (melinda had been on vacation for at least a few days since it was their "last day" in Hawaii)
Ant-man Climax - October (assumed)
AOS S3e1-3 October (still within a few weeks of the semester starting and leaves would still be yellow as shown)
AOS S3e4,6-7 November (episode 4 occurs at least 1 week after e3. episodes 6/7 occur a "few weeks" after e3.)

Please share your thoughts and what if anything I overlooked.


Have not re-watched past this.

Excellent points. I even had Season 3 originally beginning during fall and changed/forgot about those markers.

Further, I always view suggestions as constructive whenever there is logic and evidence to support moving placements, as you utilized. I only get annoyed when folks suggest illogical movements that ignore blatant evidence the films/TV series provide in favor of forcing an illogical release date approach.

Those are all very well reasoned. I'll fix that.

Let me know your thoughts on episodes 8 to season finale.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Will do. (When I get the time to finish it.)

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Ant-man @ 15:45 establishes that Hydra will be back with the money "two weeks" after cross invites hank to pymtech. I'll admit i dont know where the oct 9th day of the film's climax comes from, but I suspect it isn't just simply made up. (anyone?) Counting backwards, from Oct 9th makes hanks visit to pymtech occur on Sept 25th. I realize that "2 weeks" doesn't necessary mean 14 days. That said I think its fair to assume that hank visits occurs at the end of September not October.

Thoughts?

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

To illustrate the proposed revised time line I think some math is helpful. To begin I will assume lets assume that AOS S2e22 occurs on April 15, 2015. (this is just an assumption for the math. I am not meaning to imply that that event literally occurs on the 12th. That gives Ultron and AOS S2e19-22 2 weeks to occur and still be in april. With that premise

So hypothetically


Early APRIL
ULTRON
S2e19-22
S3e5 0 hours = april 15
S3e5 111 hours = april 19

May
S3e5 492 hours = May 5th
S3e7 Chaos Theory Hawaii Flashback on "last day" of mays vacation - best guess but still "six months ago" - for argument lets say this occured near may 17th
S3e5 783 hours = may 17
S3e5 855 hours = may 20th
S3e7 Chaos Theory Gardner talks to coulson after returning "a couple days ago". lets assume near may 20th for arguments sake.

June
S3e5 1490 hours = June 16th
Ultron Ending - June (assumed a couple months after ulton's defeat)

July
*WHIH - July 2
*WHIH - July 7
*WIRED - July 13
*WHIH - July 16
Ant-man leaves prison - July 17

August
S3e5 3010 hours = Aug 18
S3e5 3032 hours = Aug 19
S3e5 3183 hours = Aug 25

September
S3e5 3561 hours = Sept 10
Ant man Baskin Robins - End of September
Ant-man hank visits Pymtech ~Sept 25 ("two weeks" prior to Oct 9 heist.)

October
*Antman @ the avengers facility - Oct 8
*Antman heist - Oct 9
S3e1
S3e2/S3e5 4722 hours = Oct 29
S3e03 Gardner at Class "a few weeks of makeup work" tells me october.
S3e04 Boston Pub indicates its still october based on baseball.

November
S3e6/7 "a few weeks ago" warner joins Garners class

S3e8 - Not sure if there is room for a gap here or not. Fell asleep. need to rewatch (again)
S3e9
S3e10 ends "12 hours" after S3e9 ends. (best current guess is this is still November)

From memory I think there is a undefined time gap at S3e11. Ill let you know in a couple days.


Once again Im not saying all those dates are spot on. They could go one way or the other a few days but as you can see by the time gaps its a pretty safe when going by the months.

 

[jhed13]

I usually love reading everything that's going on in this thread, but A13G10 consistently uses awful grammar/spelling and it's so hard to make heads or tails of anything he's saying because it's all running together. IT's also weird that he keeps making all of these suggestions but not exactly backing them up within hard evidence from anything and it's just so tiring to read.

I feel you. I even enjoy reading the debates over the timeline, even when one side is obviously wrong. But this guy... I'm a lurker at heart, and have been lurking this timeline almost daily for years and years. And I've never willingly skipped over someone's comments before. And NOW I'm coming out of hiding to comment how exhausting reading this guy's posts are!

 

[DIrishB]

Ant-man @ 15:45 establishes that Hydra will be back with the money "two weeks" after cross invites hank to pymtech. I'll admit i dont know where the oct 9th day of the film's climax comes from, but I suspect it isn't just simply made up. (anyone?) Counting backwards, from Oct 9th makes hanks visit to pymtech occur on Sept 25th. I realize that "2 weeks" doesn't necessary mean 14 days. That said I think its fair to assume that hank visits occurs at the end of September not October.

Thoughts?

The October 9th date comes from a cell phone seen during the Scott/Cross fight in the helicopter towards end of film.

This is a good catch, though, and supports the idea Scott had been working at Baskin Robbins for at least a couple months after being released from prison in mid July (July 17 to be exact).

I'm updating/double checking it all now.

 

[DIrishB]

To illustrate the proposed revised time line I think some math is helpful. To begin I will assume lets assume that AOS S2e22 occurs on April 15, 2015. (this is just an assumption for the math. I am not meaning to imply that that event literally occurs on the 12th. That gives Ultron and AOS S2e19-22 2 weeks to occur and still be in april. With that premise

So hypothetically


Early APRIL
ULTRON
S2e19-22
S3e5 0 hours = april 15
S3e5 111 hours = april 19

May
S3e5 492 hours = May 5th
S3e7 Chaos Theory Hawaii Flashback on "last day" of mays vacation - best guess but still "six months ago" - for argument lets say this occured near may 17th
S3e5 783 hours = may 17
S3e5 855 hours = may 20th
S3e7 Chaos Theory Gardner talks to coulson after returning "a couple days ago". lets assume near may 20th for arguments sake.

June
S3e5 1490 hours = June 16th
Ultron Ending - June (assumed a couple months after ulton's defeat)

July
*WHIH - July 2
*WHIH - July 7
*WIRED - July 13
*WHIH - July 16
Ant-man leaves prison - July 17

August
S3e5 3010 hours = Aug 18
S3e5 3032 hours = Aug 19
S3e5 3183 hours = Aug 25

September
S3e5 3561 hours = Sept 10
Ant man Baskin Robins - End of September
Ant-man hank visits Pymtech ~Sept 25 ("two weeks" prior to Oct 9 heist.)

October
*Antman @ the avengers facility - Oct 8
*Antman heist - Oct 9
S3e1
S3e2/S3e5 4722 hours = Oct 29
S3e03 Gardner at Class "a few weeks of makeup work" tells me october.
S3e04 Boston Pub indicates its still october based on baseball.

November
S3e6/7 "a few weeks ago" warner joins Garners class

S3e8 - Not sure if there is room for a gap here or not. Fell asleep. need to rewatch (again)
S3e9
S3e10 ends "12 hours" after S3e9 ends. (best current guess is this is still November)

From memory I think there is a undefined time gap at S3e11. Ill let you know in a couple days.


Once again Im not saying all those dates are spot on. They could go one way or the other a few days but as you can see by the time gaps its a pretty safe when going by the months.

Really good work. Made adjustments based on those suggestions. If you don't mind just ask you double check and make sure it aligns with your suggestions as intended.

I'll be doing a rewatch of all of AoS so I can make adjustments to the episode placements (especially Season 2). As it stands I'm confident with Season 1 and 3's placements (well, latter half of Season 3 needs to be double checked but pretty confident in it), but definitely need to do a rewatch of Season 2 to lay it out better. The "One Year Earlier" flashback in 2x20 requires a year to pass over the season, which requires a lot more spreading out of the episodes compared to S1 or S3 (where they occur over month and a half in S1 and generally correspond to air dates in S3). Its compounded by fact many of the Season 2 episodes occur generally close together as far as I remember.

 

[Lebnyx]

I've lurked this thread a bit; I'm pretty impressed with the amount of work that was put into this.

I have some food for thought regarding Civil War:

That ATV says "Oymyakon Snow Vehicle Hire". This is the ATV that Zemo uses to get to the HYDRA facility, which would imply it being near Oymyakon (UTC+10), which is 8 hours ahead of Germany (UTC+2).

According to that screen (at 1 hour 10 minutes), Zemo departs from Berlin after 2 PM. According to this website (https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Berlin/Oymyakon), the trip would take 29 hours (~9 hours of flight time and ~20 hours of driving time).

By Berlin time, he would arrive at nighttime the following day, but by Oymyakon time, he would arrive there in the morning, two days after he left Germany, supported by the fact that it appears to be daytime.



If so, this means that the climax at the Siberian HYDRA facility might take place the day after the airport battle (I'm assuming your timeline takes into account time zone differences).

Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure on my math, so I am leaving this to your consideration.

 

[DIrishB]

I've lurked this thread a bit; I'm pretty impressed with the amount of work that was put into this.

I have some food for thought regarding Civil War:

That ATV says "Oymyakon Snow Vehicle Hire". This is the ATV that Zemo uses to get to the HYDRA facility, which would imply it being near Oymyakon (UTC+10), which is 8 hours ahead of Germany (UTC+2).

According to that screen (at 1 hour 10 minutes), Zemo departs from Berlin after 2 PM. According to this website (https://www.rome2rio.com/s/Berlin/Oymyakon), the trip would take 29 hours (~9 hours of flight time and ~20 hours of driving time).

By Berlin time, he would arrive at nighttime the following day, but by Oymyakon time, he would arrive there in the morning, two days after he left Germany, supported by the fact that it appears to be daytime.



If so, this means that the climax at the Siberian HYDRA facility might take place the day after the airport battle (I'm assuming your timeline takes into account time zone differences).

Admittedly, I'm not 100% sure on my math, so I am leaving this to your consideration.

I usually do account for time zone difference but hadn't considered the length of the flight times. I'll double check and make some adjustments if necessary.

Very good suggestion!

EDIT: Double checked it and the current layout leaves enough time to account for that. In fact it allows for an extra day or two. Presumably, there was some extra time in which Zemo rented the snow vehicle and perhaps set up the plan a bit more. We know he arrived at the facility an indeterminate amount of time before Steve, Bucky, and Tony did. But yeah, that fits perfectly with the working timeline that I'm finalizing now.

Here's a breakdown of those few days:

April 10
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 7: "Supporting the Initiative" (0:42:04 - 0:42:57)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 8: "It Always End in a Fight" (0:42:58 - 0:52:03)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 9: "Bucky's Evaluation" (0:52:04 - 1:05:38)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 10: "Breakout" (1:05:39 - 1:12:22) **Zemo leaves Berlin for Moscow by plane**
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 10: "Breakout" (1:14:22 - 1:15:07)
Ant-Man Chapter 16: "Epilogue" (1:56:17 - 1:56:50)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 10: "Breakout" (1:15:08 - 1:16:40)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 11: "Queens" (1:16:41 - 1:22:27)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 12: "Hawkeye Returns" (1:22:28 - 1:24:59)

^A very busy day. Bucky is captured, escapes, is captured by Steve and Sam. Tony recruits Peter Parker and Clint picks up Wanda from Avengers HQ.


April 11
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 12: "Hawkeye Returns" (1:25:00 - 1:29:28)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 13: "You're After the Wrong Guy" (1:29:29 - 1:34:08)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 14: "We Fight" (1:34:09 - 1:45:37)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 15: "We Played This Wrong" (1:45:38 - 1:55:53) **Zemo is already in Siberia about to rent the snow crawler**

^Airport fight scene. This aligns perfectly with the amount of time required to travel to the Hydra facility. Zemo is calling the hotel to order breakfast, so we know its morning in Berlin and around afternoon/evening where he is in Siberia if the 8 hour time difference still holds true. Since hes still not left the Russian village, we can presume he still has hours to travel to the Hydra facility to fill up the full 29 hour span (presumably its less than a day since he left since we see him receiving breakfast AT hotel previous day and leaving for Moscow at 2pm in afternoon, presumably leaving another 4-6 hours--more or less--of driving time in the snow crawler to get to the Hydra facility.


April 12
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 16: "Zemo Revealed" (1:55:54 - 2:02:34)
Captain America - Civil War Chapter 17: "Steve vs. Tony" (2:02:35 - 2:12:13)

^Climax battle between Cap and Iron Man in Siberia.


Really good work, 64SuperNintendo! Thats the kind of OCD logic I love applied to the timeline!

Keep it up, those detailed suggestions are great!

 

[DIrishB]

Been rewatching AOS S3. I propose that the timeline be modified slightly. I believed Ultron and the proceeding Shield episodes should be moved up one month earlier in the timeline so that Ultron occurs in April 2015. I know of no hard reason why it must be in May and by moving it to april it fixes several shield S3 contunity problems.

I'm sitting down and watching the CA-Civil War DVD, and I'd forgotten Tony mentions Charles Spencer (the young man who was killed in Sokovia and whose mother Tony encounters at the MIT Honors).

To quote: "He decided to spend his summer building sustainable housing for the poor. Guess where? Sokovia."

So, that implies it occurred during summertime. To moderate AoS S3 and that line, it seems best to place Age of Ultron in May. Presumably the Sokovia incident occurred soon into Charles' summer trip to build that sustainable housing.

At same time the six month span (due to AoS 4,722 Hours episode) and necessity of AoS Season 3 beginning at least before October ends makes that tough.

Guess Tony was just estimating. Perhaps Charles graduated early and began that project in April, which would've lasted all summer before his "intel plan for the Fall" begins in, well, Fall.

Unrelated, but just to prove a point about how the internal timeline doesn't always match release date timeline: Sam Wilson mentions Natasha told government to kiss her ass "a few years ago". That is referencing the ending of Winter Soldier, with Natasha testifying before Congressional committee. That occurred in October, 2013, and Captain American occurs from March to April, 2016 (with that specific conversation occurring in early April, 2016). That's a span of 2 and a half years.

Presumably if it were following release date approach, that wouldn't make much sense given Winter Soldier's April, 2014 release date (it'd be 2 years exactly).

A "few" is generally regarded as 3-4, another version of the term "several". If it had only been 2 years he'd likely have said "a couple years ago", not "a few". That said, he's still rounding up by around 6 months since its not 3 years or more yet.

Point is, if it was 2 years as release date approach suggests, it would've been scripted that way, especially given the specific timeline references otherwise (Iron Man placed 8 years before, Avengers four years before, Winter Soldier a few years before--which all line up perfectly with the approach of using the hard dates occasionally provided in the films).

 

[marcellok]

For the Age of Ultron in April thing, I know at my University the last day of classes is usually around April 12.

 

[DIrishB]

For the Age of Ultron in April thing, I know at my University the last day of classes is usually around April 12.

Wow thats early. Most in my experience have the spring semester end in May, usually.

But its definitely possible, and it does seem best choice given the fact the AoS Season 3 early episodes must occur in October, 2015 at latest based on the fall and baseball stuff seen in AoS 3x04.

 

[DIrishB]

Ok, timeline is completely up to date for the Captain America - Civil War DVD chapters and accurate dates.

One thing I loved about Civil War was how it helped reinforce the overall timeline, with multiple references made in regards to the previous films and how many years ago they occurred.

Advise people take a gander and see if anything stands out as incorrect.

 

[Lebnyx]

^Airport fight scene. This aligns perfectly with the amount of time required to travel to the Hydra facility. Zemo is calling the hotel to order breakfast, so we know its morning in Berlin and around afternoon/evening where he is in Siberia if the 8 hour time difference still holds true. Since hes still not left the Russian village, we can presume he still has hours to travel to the Hydra facility to fill up the full 29 hour span (presumably its less than a day since he left since we see him receiving breakfast AT hotel previous day and leaving for Moscow at 2pm in afternoon, presumably leaving another 4-6 hours--more or less--of driving time in the snow crawler to get to the Hydra facility.

Well, actually the trip from Berlin to the village is what takes 29 hours, and the ATV drive from the village to the compound takes an unspecified amount of time. Maybe he just has breakfast late, and/or some of the scenes are out of chronological order? The chronology for the fight taking place the day after the airport fight still works out well though, I think.

Ok, timeline is completely up to date for the Captain America - Civil War DVD chapters and accurate dates.

One thing I loved about Civil War was how it helped reinforce the overall timeline, with multiple references made in regards to the previous films and how many years ago they occurred.

Advise people take a gander and see if anything stands out as incorrect.

I just checked right now. Only a few minor points/additions:

1- I think I'd probably place the 1991 flashback portion where Bucky returns to the HYDRA facility and trains the other Winter Soldiers on December 17, rather than on December 16, because - again - of the timezones.

According to that surveillance video, Bucky killed the Starks around 7 PM on December 16th, on Long Island (http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...ark2-IM.png/revision/latest?cb=20141129003504), and so it would have been around 9 AM on December 17th in Siberia at the same time, using this site (https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html) as a resource.


2- Due to Vision's statement of Tony arriving with a guest when Steve was comforting Wanda (around 20:50), I'd say put 19:00-31:56 on the same day.


3- Place "WHIH Newsfront Exclusive: President Ellis Discusses the Avengers" and "WHIH Breaking News: Attack in Lagos" both on March 21, due to Christine Everhart and Will Adams wearing the same outfit, implying the report on the Lagos incident might take place later on the same day as they interviewed the president.

Maybe you could also place the other reports on March 10, March 14 and March 16 respectively, if you'd like to align with how far apart the reports were uploaded, but no time indicators are shown or stated in the videos themselves, so this isn't really necessary. You placed all the videos in March anyway, so...


4- This next one, I'm really not so sure about: At 1 hour 29 minutes, right before the airport fight, Tony says "Your old war buddy killed innocent people yesterday."

It's a vague line: He could be referring to either the UN bombing, or to the scenes where Bucky escaped the authorities in Bucharest and Berlin (assuming he killed anyone in either of those two).

If he's referring to the UN bombing being yesterday, that means that everything from Peggy's funeral to Clint rescuing Wanda would have taken place in the same day, which is a stretch. Even moreso because the newspaper Bucky saw at the newstand in Bucharest would have been written and published within an hour or two maximum.


The last suggestion is the only one I'm really not sure about, as your placement for those events seems far more likely to me. I'm pretty sure about points 1, 2 and 3 though. Everything else looks good to me!

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Wow thats early. Most in my experience have the spring semester end in May, usually.

But its definitely possible, and it does seem best choice given the fact the AoS Season 3 early episodes must occur in October, 2015 at latest based on the fall and baseball stuff seen in AoS 3x04.

I also attended a college that would end first week of April every year.

 

[DIrishB]

Well, actually the trip from Berlin to the village is what takes 29 hours, and the ATV drive from the village to the compound takes an unspecified amount of time. Maybe he just has breakfast late, and/or some of the scenes are out of chronological order? The chronology for the fight taking place the day after the airport fight still works out well though, I think.

Like you said, there's an 8 hour time difference. What would be breakfast time in Berlin would be afternoon or even evening in that area of Siberia.

I just checked right now. Only a few minor points/additions:

1- I think I'd probably place the 1991 flashback portion where Bucky returns to the HYDRA facility and trains the other Winter Soldiers on December 17, rather than on December 16, because - again - of the timezones.

According to that surveillance video, Bucky killed the Starks around 7 PM on December 16th, on Long Island (http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net...ark2-IM.png/revision/latest?cb=20141129003504), and so it would have been around 9 AM on December 17th in Siberia at the same time, using this site (https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html) as a resource.

Good point.

2- Due to Vision's statement of Tony arriving with a guest when Steve was comforting Wanda (around 20:50), I'd say put 19:00-31:56 on the same day.

This I don't necessarily agree with. I put it as next day due to Tony's different outfit. It also allowed him time to research on Charles Spencer's life and give him a day or less to stew on it, to allow his opinion of being FOR the Accords to set in, etc.

But mostly just the costume change.

It could be argued Tony changed his outfit, but I find it unlikely Tony would have the MIT Honors event AND the meeting with the Avengers/Ross about the Sokovia Accords on same day. Maybe, but there seems more evidence suggesting its at least two separate days than one.

3- Place "WHIH Newsfront Exclusive: President Ellis Discusses the Avengers" and "WHIH Breaking News: Attack in Lagos" both on March 21, due to Christine Everhart and Will Adams wearing the same outfit, implying the report on the Lagos incident might take place later on the same day as they interviewed the president.

Good catch!

Maybe you could also place the other reports on March 10, March 14 and March 16 respectively, if you'd like to align with how far apart the reports were uploaded, but no time indicators are shown or stated in the videos themselves, so this isn't really necessary. You placed all the videos in March anyway, so...

The reason I didn't do that is Everhart says in one of the videos "On this week's...", referring to the episode, indicating its a weekly show in the MCU, as opposed to a daily news program.

4- This next one, I'm really not so sure about: At 1 hour 29 minutes, right before the airport fight, Tony says "Your old war buddy killed innocent people yesterday."

It's a vague line: He could be referring to either the UN bombing, or to the scenes where Bucky escaped the authorities in Bucharest and Berlin (assuming he killed anyone in either of those two).

If he's referring to the UN bombing being yesterday, that means that everything from Peggy's funeral to Clint rescuing Wanda would have taken place in the same day, which is a stretch. Even moreso because the newspaper Bucky saw at the newstand in Bucharest would have been written and published within an hour or two maximum.


The last suggestion is the only one I'm really not sure about, as your placement for those events seems far more likely to me. I'm pretty sure about points 1, 2 and 3 though. Everything else looks good to me!

With that, it has to be referring to the bombing due to the timeline. Don't forget, Ross gives Tony only 36 hours (a day and a half) to find Cap and Bucky, and Tony mentions at the airport fight that that was 24 hours ago (or almost), confirming that all occurs over a couple days.

That said, there's no evidence to show Peggy's funeral occurs on the same day as the bombing. I took it as the bombing occurring the next day. Natasha mentions she's heading to the Accords meeting at UN after Peggy's funeral, and there's no evidence to show that its the same day. And given the amount of stuff that occurs over following two days, it seemed logical to place it the day before. This also lines up with Ross' statements about the Accords being signed in 3 days (with the funeral the day before).

I also attended a college that would end first week of April every year.

Where did you guys go to college? Just wondering... Its been over a decade since I was in college so maybe things have changed.

 

[marcellok]

Where did you guys go to college? Just wondering... Its been over a decade since I was in college so maybe things have changed.

I went to university in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

 

[Lebnyx]

This I don't necessarily agree with. I put it as next day due to Tony's different outfit. It also allowed him time to research on Charles Spencer's life and give him a day or less to stew on it, to allow his opinion of being FOR the Accords to set in, etc.

But mostly just the costume change.

It could be argued Tony changed his outfit, but I find it unlikely Tony would have the MIT Honors event AND the meeting with the Avengers/Ross about the Sokovia Accords on same day. Maybe, but there seems more evidence suggesting its at least two separate days than one.

I agree with you about their meeting with Ross being at least a day after MIT for the reasons you mentioned. But on the timeline, you put 13:04-21:02 as the same day, while the MIT scene ends at 18:59, at which point it cuts to Steve watching a news report on the Lagos incident from last month, right before he talks with Wanda and Vision tells them Tony arrived with Secretary Ross.

So it would go:
-April 5: chapter 3: 13:04-18:58 (MIT scene)
-April 6: chapter 3: 18:59-21:02 (Steve talks with Wanda, Vision tells them Tony arrived with Ross) and chapters 4-5: 21:03-31:56 (they talk about the Accords)

The reason I didn't do that is Everhart says in one of the videos "On this week's...", referring to the episode, indicating its a weekly show in the MCU, as opposed to a daily news program.

You're right; I forgot about that.

That said, there's no evidence to show Peggy's funeral occurs on the same day as the bombing. I took it as the bombing occurring the next day. Natasha mentions she's heading to the Accords meeting at UN after Peggy's funeral, and there's no evidence to show that its the same day. And given the amount of stuff that occurs over following two days, it seemed logical to place it the day before. This also lines up with Ross' statements about the Accords being signed in 3 days (with the funeral the day before).

The chronology of the movie is kind of weird when it comes to this: Natasha consoles Steve, then leaves to Vienna. After the bombing, it cuts back to London, with Steve and Sharon talking, she thanks him for walking her back (presumably after the funeral) and then they watch the news report on the bombing. Steve and Sam are still wearing their suit and tie, so it presumably takes place shortly after the funeral.

 

[DIrishB]

I went to university in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Ah, ok. Most US college's Spring semesters end in May. And given Charles Spencer's mother worked for US State Department, odds are he went to school in US.

I agree with you about their meeting with Ross being at least a day after MIT for the reasons you mentioned. But on the timeline, you put 13:04-21:02 as the same day, while the MIT scene ends at 18:59, at which point it cuts to Steve watching a news report on the Lagos incident from last month, right before he talks with Wanda and Vision tells them Tony arrived with Secretary Ross.

You're right. I had completely forgotten to break that DVD chapter into two sections.

So it would go:
-April 5: chapter 3: 13:04-18:58 (MIT scene)
-April 6: chapter 3: 18:59-21:02 (Steve talks with Wanda, Vision tells them Tony arrived with Ross) and chapters 4-5: 21:03-31:56 (they talk about the Accords)

Fixed for that.

You're right; I forgot about that.


The chronology of the movie is kind of weird when it comes to this: Natasha consoles Steve, then leaves to Vienna. After the bombing, it cuts back to London, with Steve and Sharon talking, she thanks him for walking her back (presumably after the funeral) and then they watch the news report on the bombing. Steve and Sam are still wearing their suit and tie, so it presumably takes place shortly after the funeral.

This is another thing I overlooked. You're right, it has to be same day. That'll shift the MIT Honors events to April 6, the meeting about the Sokovia Accords with Ross to April 7, and Peggy's Funeral/bombing on April 10.


Really great suggestions!

 

[Zpdedoda]

You have the end credit scene involving spider man (2:26:29 - 2:27:25) on April 14th. Surely that belongs on April 11th to be on the same day as the airport fight.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I must have missed it. Where do we get a specific date for the accords? I know we duduced that it was likely early April but is there a newspaper date or something?

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I believe that we have incorrect dating of the second half of AOS S3. specifically AOS s3e11 starts with a flash forword to "Three months from now". It now seems settled that Civil War takes place in April. If so, then the events of the flash forward which eventually occur in AOS S3e22 after the accords are law also occur in April. That means AOS S3e11 must occur in January (3 months prior). Not December as presently illustrated.

Thoughts?

 

[Zpdedoda]

I must have missed it. Where do we get a specific date for the accords? I know we duduced that it was likely early April but is there a newspaper date or something?

There is a date on the parcel Stan Lee delivers right at the end. I think the rest of the dates is just backtracking.


Also there best be a firm date set somewhere in Luke Cage otherwise we'll be debating the placing of that for ages

 

[Lebnyx]

After thinking about it a bit, I might have a few more suggestions:


1- If T'Challa apprehended Zemo in Siberia in the morning of April 12th (in that time zone), then it would have been nighttime in Germany (April 11th).

Considering that, then a several-hours long flight would mean that he turns him over to the JCTC in the morning of April 12th in Berlin (since it's 8 hours behind). Since Everett Ross was informing Zemo about the conditions of his imprisonment, it's probably been shortly after his arrest.


2- In the mid-credits scene in Wakanda, Steve's face is still noticeably pretty bruised, while in the final shot of the movie, where he rescues Teap Cap from the Raft, he doesn't appear to have any bruises. So that scene likely takes place after the mid-credits scene, after maybe a day or two of recovering/laying out a plan before rescuing his teammates.

Also, in the final credits scene, where Peter tests out his new web-launcher, it appears to be evening, due to it being dark out when looking out the window.


So here's what I'm thinking:

-April 12: battle in Siberia, T'Challa takes Zemo to the authorities in Germany, mid-credits scene in Wakanda, post-credits scene with Peter

-April 14: Tony receives the package from Steve, who breaks the other Avengers out from the Raft.

Does this make sense?

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

Aos 4x01 occurs in December 2016.

What we know...
Civil war ends April 14 2016
Aos 3x20-22 immediately follows - mid/late April 2016
Aos 3x22 end scene features Mac and coulson chasing quake "6 months later" with quake escaping = mid/late October 2016
Aos 4x01 establishes that the new director has pulled Mac and coulson off the quake case since he suspects they let her escape. Mac and coulson are called back to base after "6 weeks" in the air. Mid/late October + 1.5 months = early/mid December 2016 at the earliest.

 

[DIrishB]

You have the end credit scene involving spider man (2:26:29 - 2:27:25) on April 14th. Surely that belongs on April 11th to be on the same day as the airport fight.

Fixed that.

I must have missed it. Where do we get a specific date for the accords? I know we duduced that it was likely early April but is there a newspaper date or something?

Civil War contains two specific dates, the first helps specifically place the Lagos mission on March 21 through the newspaper shown on the table Wanda is sitting at while being talked through scoping out of surrounding area. The second date is shown on the Fedex package Steve sends Tony, which specifically is dated April 14 as its delivery date. Backdating from there gives the Sokovia Accords date.

I believe that we have incorrect dating of the second half of AOS S3. specifically AOS s3e11 starts with a flash forword to "Three months from now". It now seems settled that Civil War takes place in April. If so, then the events of the flash forward which eventually occur in AOS S3e22 after the accords are law also occur in April. That means AOS S3e11 must occur in January (3 months prior). Not December as presently illustrated.

Thoughts?

This is one of those things that got forgotten about when editing/moving stuff around, fixed! Thanks for catching that.

There is a date on the parcel Stan Lee delivers right at the end. I think the rest of the dates is just backtracking.


Also there best be a firm date set somewhere in Luke Cage otherwise we'll be debating the placing of that for ages

Currently its been said Luke Cage picks up a few months after events of Jessica Jones. However, if dates shown on props show otherwise, and no dialogue or anything else reinforces the comment LC picks up a few months after JJ, I'll utilize the prop dates over behind the scenes, offhand remarks made by the actors like the "few months" comment is.

After thinking about it a bit, I might have a few more suggestions:


1- If T'Challa apprehended Zemo in Siberia in the morning of April 12th (in that time zone), then it would have been nighttime in Germany (April 11th).

Considering that, then a several-hours long flight would mean that he turns him over to the JCTC in the morning of April 12th in Berlin (since it's 8 hours behind). Since Everett Ross was informing Zemo about the conditions of his imprisonment, it's probably been shortly after his arrest.

Good point. Fixed for that, but it moves everything up by a day.

2- In the mid-credits scene in Wakanda, Steve's face is still noticeably pretty bruised, while in the final shot of the movie, where he rescues Teap Cap from the Raft, he doesn't appear to have any bruises. So that scene likely takes place after the mid-credits scene, after maybe a day or two of recovering/laying out a plan before rescuing his teammates.

Also, in the final credits scene, where Peter tests out his new web-launcher, it appears to be evening, due to it being dark out when looking out the window.

Also good suggestions. Adjusted for that.

So here's what I'm thinking:

-April 12: battle in Siberia, T'Challa takes Zemo to the authorities in Germany, mid-credits scene in Wakanda, post-credits scene with Peter

I think the post credit scene with Peter must occur the same day as the airport battle, that evening specifically. I doubt Aunt May would've allowed Peter to leave for more than a day without her knowing where he was. Presumably Stark picked Peter up in mid afternoon (Eastern time), traveled to Berlin and had the big fight (presumably several hours or more after leaving May and Peter's apartment, depending on how fast Stark's private jets can travel--odds are much faster than your standard commercial airliner) on the next day. Stark then has Peter travel home on his private jet, leaving Berlin around midday or afternoon, and arriving back in NY same day but much earlier due to time zone difference (so likely in middle of day or afternoon at latest). Presumably Aunt May got home from work and saw Peter's eye at that point, when the post credit scene begins. So, maybe a day at most. Thats how I saw it anyway.

-April 14: Tony receives the package from Steve, who breaks the other Avengers out from the Raft.

Does this make sense?

Yep, for most part. Double check the adjustments made though, as now the dates have been moved up by a day.

Aos 4x01 occurs in December 2016.

What we know...
Civil war ends April 14 2016
Aos 3x20-22 immediately follows - mid/late April 2016
Aos 3x22 end scene features Mac and coulson chasing quake "6 months later" with quake escaping = mid/late October 2016
Aos 4x01 establishes that the new director has pulled Mac and coulson off the quake case since he suspects they let her escape. Mac and coulson are called back to base after "6 weeks" in the air. Mid/late October + 1.5 months = early/mid December 2016 at the earliest.

I could be wrong but the 6 weeks in air quote I took to include the time they'd already been chasing Daisy, not 6 weeks after the 3x22 flash forward. Pretty sure AoS 4x01 picks up very soon after that flash forward, by maybe only days. That'd mean the present time is still October, 2016, and the six weeks quote confirms they've been chasing her since August or so.

 

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

I have to disagree. Consider the end dialogue of 3-22

Coulson "call the director. We struck out again."
Mac "he'll take us off the trail"
Coulson "and call in the national guard. Yeah."
Mac "where will we be assigned?"
Coulson "guess we will have to wait and see. "

Then in 4-01 we discover that Coulson and Mac have been pulled off the daisy case and have spent the last 6 weeks in the air on zephyr one without touching down.

Mac was right the director did reassign them as he predicted. And must have spent at least 6 additional weeks not tracking daisy after 3-22.

 

[Lebnyx]

Good point. Fixed for that, but it moves everything up by a day.

Out of curiosity, how does it move the placement of everything up by a day? Or maybe I just made a mistake; I was kind of looking at it a glance.

I think the post credit scene with Peter must occur the same day as the airport battle, that evening specifically. I doubt Aunt May would've allowed Peter to leave for more than a day without her knowing where he was. Presumably Stark picked Peter up in mid afternoon (Eastern time), traveled to Berlin and had the big fight (presumably several hours or more after leaving May and Peter's apartment, depending on how fast Stark's private jets can travel--odds are much faster than your standard commercial airliner) on the next day. Stark then has Peter travel home on his private jet, leaving Berlin around midday or afternoon, and arriving back in NY same day but much earlier due to time zone difference (so likely in middle of day or afternoon at latest). Presumably Aunt May got home from work and saw Peter's eye at that point, when the post credit scene begins. So, maybe a day at most. Thats how I saw it anyway.

Not necessarily. Some bruises can take over a day to show up. Maybe he returned to Queens as expected, then his bruises show up a day later.

Then again, I don't really know how long it would take for bruises from something like the airport battle to show up though, so it might make sense to have that later on the day of the airport battle as you said.

Yep, for most part. Double check the adjustments made though, as now the dates have been moved up by a day.

I think the day where Tony recruits Peter is probably April 10th at the latest.

If the props indicate that the day of the week are laid out differently in the MCU (the newspaper at the beginning says Sunday March 22, even though it's a Tuesday IRL; the FedEx package at the end says Tuesday April 14, even though it's a Thursday IRL), then considering Peter has just returned from school (May asks how was school and Peter tells Tony he had an algebra test that day), the latest we can place Spidey's recruitment without overlapping/contradicting the April 14th FedEx delivery is April 10th, as that would be a Friday in the MCU.

Keeping that in mind, I'd say keep the dates as they were, minus my suggestions.

-April 6: MIT

-April 7: Accords meeting

-April 10: UN bombing, they find Bucky, Tony recruits Peter

-April 11: Airport battle (later that day, post-credits scene with Peter?)

-April 12: Cap, Bucky and Tony fight, Zemo is arrested (post-credits scene with Bucky?)

-April 14: Tony receives the package and letter, Steve rescues his team from the Raft

 

[DIrishB]

Out of curiosity, how does it move the placement of everything up by a day? Or maybe I just made a mistake; I was kind of looking at it a glance.

Because the hard date of April 14 on the Fedex package gives us a firm date for the film's concluding scenes. Thus backdating everything while retaining that and making sense of the Siberia/Germany time zone differences in regards to day. I previously assumed there was no gap between the ending scenes, but that day gap (nothing on April 13) can work and explain slight healing of the bruises on some of the characters faces.

Not necessarily. Some bruises can take over a day to show up. Maybe he returned to Queens as expected, then his bruises show up a day later.

Then again, I don't really know how long it would take for bruises from something like the airport battle to show up though, so it might make sense to have that later on the day of the airport battle as you said.

The bruise may take a bit to show up, but the pain wouldn't. Also, most apply ice soon after to minimize bruising/swelling, indicating its not long after. Plus, like I said, he's a minor, a 15 or 16 year old kid. It's unlikely May would've been cool with him being gone for an extended period of time (few days) especially missing school.

Further, I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure in the comics Spidey's powers give him a quickened healing time. Not Wolverine level, obviously, but faster than your average human. It stands to reason his healing process (including the formation of bruises) is also faster, so a full day before said bruises show on him isn't likely. Plus the way he's favoring it indicate its quite recent, least thats how I took it.

I think the day where Tony recruits Peter is probably April 10th at the latest.

If the props indicate that the day of the week are laid out differently in the MCU (the newspaper at the beginning says Sunday March 22, even though it's a Tuesday IRL; the FedEx package at the end says Tuesday April 14, even though it's a Thursday IRL), then considering Peter has just returned from school (May asks how was school and Peter tells Tony he had an algebra test that day), the latest we can place Spidey's recruitment without overlapping/contradicting the April 14th FedEx delivery is April 10th, as that would be a Friday in the MCU.

Keeping that in mind, I'd say keep the dates as they were, minus my suggestions.

-April 6: MIT

-April 7: Accords meeting

-April 10: UN bombing, they find Bucky, Tony recruits Peter

-April 11: Airport battle (later that day, post-credits scene with Peter?)

-April 12: Cap, Bucky and Tony fight, Zemo is arrested (post-credits scene with Bucky?)

-April 14: Tony receives the package and letter, Steve rescues his team from the Raft

Fair point, let me tinker some.