The League Cup Finals that Fitz and Radcliffe were watching occurred on February 26, 2017 in real world. Whether that date holds true for MCU is unlikely, but still a good place to start from.
27th November 2016 actually, think you looked up the English League Cup Final rather than Scottish League Cup Final. Although the actual match they are watching happened 16th March 2014 so it could very well just be a recording considering Fitz says the teams explicitly rather than simply "this year's League Cup Final" (very similar to when the Mandarin is watching football in Iron Man 3)
27th November 2016 actually, think you looked up the English League Cup Final rather than Scottish League Cup Final. Although the actual match they are watching happened 16th March 2014 so it could very well just be a recording considering Fitz says the teams explicitly rather than simply "this year's League Cup Final" (very similar to when the Mandarin is watching football in Iron Man 3)
I'm rewatching DD S1. Why are your timestamps a little behind the times in Netflix? Do you not count the title sequence? This was in E2 that I really noticed it. I know in AoS you don't count the "Previously, on Marvel's Agents of SHIELD..." stuff, but Netflix doesn't do that. (Presumably because they know we watch them all back-to-back.)
I'm rewatching DD S1. Why are your timestamps a little behind the times in Netflix? Do you not count the title sequence? This was in E2 that I really noticed it. I know in AoS you don't count the "Previously, on Marvel's Agents of SHIELD..." stuff, but Netflix doesn't do that. (Presumably because they know we watch them all back-to-back.)
"We pick up with Colleen not in New York — which is crazy, as all the shows have been predominantly in New York. We find her a month after we left her. It's really interesting she hasn't been able to deal with the emotional trauma she dealt with in Iron Fist. So it builds to a head and she explodes in Defenders."
Still updating for AoS Season 4, but now that I'm halfway through the season I'm confident in all the AoS Season 1-4 placements.
Check it out, let me know if you notice anything out of place or that you disagree with, but I've posted my notes on AoS over last several pages as I've gone through the seasons, so I'm pretty confident in my placements and reasoning.
I'd like to think that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 2x03 would take place before Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 for ONE big reason - The blue blob thing destroying stuff on Earth that was shown in one of the trailers.
Wouldn't S.H.I.E.L.D. definitely react to that? (It would be a huge big suspension of disbelief for them not to mention it in 2x03, even though the episode was made long before the writers any knowledge of GotG Vol 2's events.) I think placing that AoS episode a little earlier, while leaving nearly a year long gap between GotG Vol 2 and AoS 2x04, realistically, gives S.H.I.E.L.D. and the public more time to react and settle with it.
I'd like to think that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 2x03 would take place before Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 for ONE big reason - The blue blob thing destroying stuff on Earth that was shown in one of the trailers.
Wouldn't S.H.I.E.L.D. definitely react to that? (It would be a huge big suspension of disbelief for them not to mention it in 2x03, even though the episode was made long before the writers any knowledge of GotG Vol 2's events.) I think placing that AoS episode a little earlier, while leaving nearly a year long gap between GotG Vol 2 and AoS 2x04, realistically, gives S.H.I.E.L.D. and the public more time to react and settle with it.
Pretty straightforward, there's a short intro set in 1980, and then a title card saying "34 years later". Everything from that point on happens inside a pretty small amount of time, so no need to separate anything. About the mid- and post-credit scenes, three of them directly follow the movie's events, the other two don't have a clear time placing, but suggest that some time has passed, I'd say a few days to a few weeks, but that's pretty much just a guess.
Yes, it's almost guaranteed it is, considering Waikiti directed that scene (in other words it was lifted from footage shot for Ragnarok and will most likely be seen in that film, like was done with Ant-Man's post credit scene being footage from Civil War).
I'd like to think that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. 2x03 would take place before Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 for ONE big reason - The blue blob thing destroying stuff on Earth that was shown in one of the trailers.
Wouldn't S.H.I.E.L.D. definitely react to that? (It would be a huge big suspension of disbelief for them not to mention it in 2x03, even though the episode was made long before the writers any knowledge of GotG Vol 2's events.) I think placing that AoS episode a little earlier, while leaving nearly a year long gap between GotG Vol 2 and AoS 2x04, realistically, gives S.H.I.E.L.D. and the public more time to react and settle with it.
Pretty straightforward, there's a short intro set in 1980, and then a title card saying "34 years later". Everything from that point on happens inside a pretty small amount of time, so no need to separate anything. About the mid- and post-credit scenes, three of them directly follow the movie's events, the other two don't have a clear time placing, but suggest that some time has passed, I'd say a few days to a few weeks, but that's pretty much just a guess.
Very cool. Unfortunately GotG Vol 2 created a bit of a continuity screw up with the post credit scene involving
Stan Lee reporting to the Watchers, as he mentions he enjoyed his job as a FedEx driver--seen in CA-Civil War.
With GotG Vol. 2 firmly set in 2014, and Civil War firmly set in 2016, this is a screw up of them overlooking fact GotG 2 is set soon after first film. Oh well.
Guess we can explain it as that character liking the job so much he returned to Earth and became a FedEx driver again after GotG Vol 2 and before events of Civil War.
Very cool. Unfortunately GotG Vol 2 created a bit of a continuity screw up with the post credit scene involving
Stan Lee reporting to the Watchers, as he mentions he enjoyed his job as a FedEx driver--seen in CA-Civil War.
With GotG Vol. 2 firmly set in 2014, and Civil War firmly set in 2016, this is a screw up of them overlooking fact GotG 2 is set soon after first film. Oh well.
Guess we can explain it as that character liking the job so much he returned to Earth and became a FedEx driver again after GotG Vol 2 and before events of Civil War.
The fact it (according to those who've seen it) continues the scene shown earlier in the film, when
the Guardians fly by the floating rock Lee and the Watchers are on in space (Lee in a space suit). He supposedly mentions in post credit scene, when the Watchers leave the rock and him on it, that they were Lee's ride home. That indicates it occurs either right after the jump ship scene he's first seen in, or they sat on that rock for months or years before post credit scene. I just find that unlikely. The Watchers leave presumably due to disinterest, and it wouldn't take them very long to lose interest if there ever was any to begin with, not having seen the film I can't say.
Once it's released next week over here in US I'll remedy that.
Early in Vol. 2, Stan Lee is seen on a rock floating through the cosmos wearing an astronaut suit talking to the Watchers. In the scene which was quickly cut into the film as a space ship used jump windows to quickly travel from planet to planet passed them by, Lee was describing his cameo in Captain America: Civil War as a FedEx man.
Lee's post-credits scene left him in space as the three Watchers he was speaking to elected to leave him behind. "You guys are my ride home," Lee called out. Perhaps the Avengers will bump into him during their feud with Thanos. Or, maybe, Stan Lee will be floating on a rock in the cosmos of the Marvel Cinematic Universe forever.
It seems from that description it picks up soon after initial scene.
Like I said, at worst we can presume he somehow
got off that rock/asteroid and returned to Earth
after the post credit scene, and since he mentioned how much he enjoyed it in that GotG Vol 2 scene (again, reportedly anyway), he maybe took up the job again when he got back, thus setting up his appearance in Civil War.
It's obvious they meant otherwise, but screwed up timeline wise since GotG 2 occurs soon after first film (and apparently
even dates itself as occurring 34 years after 1980
, so 2014), whereas Civil War occurs pretty definitively in 2016. There's no real way to reconcile that, especially in combination with Lee's other cameo's in the MCU films between 2014 and 2016, presumably playing the same guy (who may or may not be an agent of the Watchers).
2x01 and 2x02 must occur in April, 2014, due to the One Year Earlier tag (and they must occur a year before 2x20 and the Age of Ultron film which occur in April, 2015). 2x03 occurs an indeterminate amount of time after 2x02. We can presume Simmons was undercover at Hydra for months at that point. 2x04 picks up an indeterminate amount of time after 2x03. Since 2x04-2x22 feature no real break points to insert stretches of time, 2x04 - 2x05 have to be placed in March, 2015, covering the month, with 2x12-2x19, AoU, 2x20-2x22 occurring in April, 2015.
Take a gander, let me know if you notice any problems with that layout.
I was going through Season 2 recently as well, and doesn't it have to be set in 2014 until at least after 2x08? In 2x06, Coulson had threatened Ward's brother by saying that he'd release the info abour Ward's Hydra association, which Coulson said would be especially damaging "in an election year," suggesting they were in October or the first three days of November 2014 at the latest. Then 2x08 has a caption at the end dating a scene in 1989 to "25 years ago."
But I'm not sure how that's supposed to work if the episodes are all consecutive starting from 2x04.
This also means only about a month (or less) passed between 4x01 and 4x07, and confirms Senator Nadeer's brother was exposed to the terrigen very soon after its release into ocean in 3x22. This also confirms that, if 3x22 occurs in April, and its flashforward/epilogue scene in October, that would put Season 4 as picking up in April, 2017.
Maybe he just worked at FedEx for a few years? My guess, if I were to work some continuity into it, would be to say that he really did get fired from the Smithsonian (his cameo in The Winter Soldier) like he was worried he would, and then found a job with FedEx (and by the time of Ant-Man, a second job as a bartender).
Stan mentions being a FedEx delivery man the first time we see him in the film, not during the post credits scene, so there really is no getting around it. Except that they pass him on their way to were Ego lives, which he describes as "beyond". They have to take 700 jump gates to get there, which starts stretching out their faces. Maybe it distorts space time? Also, Stan is listed as "agent of the Watchers" in the credits.
Maybe he just worked at FedEx for a few years? My guess, if I were to work some continuity into it, would be to say that he really did get fired from the Smithsonian (his cameo in The Winter Soldier) like he was worried he would, and then found a job with FedEx (and by the time of Ant-Man, a second job as a bartender).
That's probably it. Having seen the film, I think people are overthinking this point in terms of it being a continuity error. He doesn't actually mention the events of Civil War, as mentioned, and this was probably a deliberate choice so as not to create a continuity error while at the same time reminding the audience of his role in Civil War. Heck, Stan Lee is also Larry King in this universe, and it's not like Larry King's presumed continued career post Iron Man II was seen as a contradiction with his day jobs at FedEx, etc.
Even if the events of Civil War have already occured from Stan Lee's perspective, don't the Watchers have some kind of control over space and time? It's possible that Rocket just managed to hit a pocket of space/time created by the Watchers that exists outside of the MCU's normal time and space.
Also noteworthy for timeline purposes:
Given that Groot is an adolescent in one of the post-credit scenes, we can probably assume that this particular scene takes place a year or more after the movie, depending on the life cycle of a Groot, of course.
I was going through Season 2 recently as well, and doesn't it have to be set in 2014 until at least after 2x08? In 2x06, Coulson had threatened Ward's brother by saying that he'd release the info abour Ward's Hydra association, which Coulson said would be especially damaging "in an election year," suggesting they were in October or the first three days of November 2014 at the latest. Then 2x08 has a caption at the end dating a scene in 1989 to "25 years ago."
But I'm not sure how that's supposed to work if the episodes are all consecutive starting from 2x04.[/SPOILER]
I'm not DIrishB, nor am I in tune with how he structures the timeline, but I think for the sake of how episodes are more consecutive after 2x04, we could assume that Coulson meant that it would be bad in an election year figuratively. In other words, it would have been worse for Ward's brother if it was still 2014.
As for the 1989 and "25 years ago" stamp...I think if it were, like very late 1989 when that scene occurred, it could literally be like 25 years plus a few months later based on DIrishB's March placement for 2x08.
I was going through Season 2 recently as well, and doesn't it have to be set in 2014 until at least after 2x08? In 2x06, Coulson had threatened Ward's brother by saying that he'd release the info abour Ward's Hydra association, which Coulson said would be especially damaging "in an election year," suggesting they were in October or the first three days of November 2014 at the latest. Then 2x08 has a caption at the end dating a scene in 1989 to "25 years ago."
But I'm not sure how that's supposed to work if the episodes are all consecutive starting from 2x04.
Yeah, this is the main problem with Season 2 and why I've had so much trouble pinning down its placement. The first three episodes allow some wiggle room to insert breaks between 2x02 and 2x03, and 2x03 and 2x04. But that's literally only places that can happen in Season 2. There just aren't any other break points afterward where we can insert multiple months between the episodes after 2x04. And the One Year Earlier tag in 2x20, combined with the Age of Ultron crossover episodes firmly placing end of season, means there's really no way to make it work for both instances, so I just chose to ignore that. Maybe we can assume Coulson was referring to fact it was early 2015 and campaigning and campaign donations had already begun (obviously that wasn't original intent but there's no real way to make it work otherwise). I really don't know how to make it work otherwise.
It's been a long time since I watched 3x22 but I don't remember any more terrigen getting spilled in the ocean. Wasn't that only in 2x22?
It was, that was a brain fart on my part. That just means Nadeer's brother wasn't immediately exposed to terrigen through the fish oil pills, and that it was over a year after the terrigen was dropped into ocean in 2x22 that he finally was exposed.
Maybe he just worked at FedEx for a few years? My guess, if I were to work some continuity into it, would be to say that he really did get fired from the Smithsonian (his cameo in The Winter Soldier) like he was worried he would, and then found a job with FedEx (and by the time of Ant-Man, a second job as a bartender).
Right, but the main issue is that Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 only picks up a couple months after the first film, so its firmly set in 2014. Civil War, where Lee portrayed the FedEx driver, is firmly set in 2016. I like to think, since he really enjoyed the FedEx job (think he says that in the GotG 2 first scene, but maybe not), that timeline works like this: He held a job with Fedex sometime in the past, before Winter Soldier; he was fired from Smithsonian at the end of 2013 due to losing the Cap costume. Not long after he was on another planet (maybe reporting to the Watchers, perhaps he gives annual reports?) where his cameo from first Guardians film plays in. He is still out in the galaxy for his cameo in GotG Vol 2. He returned to Earth sometime after, where he eventually attended the Avengers party in Age of Ultron (perhaps to specifically keep an eye on them and interact with them for his reports to Watchers). He may or may not have been bartending around that time (setting up Ant-Man cameo)... perhaps his trying the Asgardian ale Thor gave him in AoU led him to the bartending job, lol. Sometime in late 2015 or early 2016 he got the job as Fedex driver again because he enjoyed it.
That's probably it. Having seen the film, I think people are overthinking this point in terms of it being a continuity error. He doesn't actually mention the events of Civil War, as mentioned, and this was probably a deliberate choice so as not to create a continuity error while at the same time reminding the audience of his role in Civil War. Heck, Stan Lee is also Larry King in this universe, and it's not like Larry King's presumed continued career post Iron Man II was seen as a contradiction with his day jobs at FedEx, etc.
I like to think, now that his presence in the MCU has been confirmed as being an
agent of the Watchers
, he also has the ability to alter his appearance. So, when he was Larry King, he was the agent posing as Larry King, and that everyone in the MCU saw Larry King's face instead of Lee's using some advanced holographic tech or something. Its just the audience who are clued in that he is Lee and see him as that.
Even if the events of Civil War have already occured from Stan Lee's perspective, don't the Watchers have some kind of control over space and time? It's possible that Rocket just managed to hit a pocket of space/time created by the Watchers that exists outside of the MCU's normal time and space.
Eh, I thinks its just simpler to assume he held the job at two different points. He was a Fedex driver sometime in past to explain his comments in GotG 2, and returned to the job sometime before Civil War.
Also noteworthy for timeline purposes:
Given that Groot is an adolescent in one of the post-credit scenes, we can probably assume that this particular scene takes place a year or more after the movie, depending on the life cycle of a Groot, of course.
Good point. Especially since he'll be fully grown (beyond his original 18 year old or so appearance in first film--thats according to Vin Diesel) in Infinity War. That said, we know in a couple months Groot aged from newborn to toddler, so each month is reflective of around a couple years of growth compared to human life cycles. Therefore, figuring he's around 14-16 in that post credit scene, that'd be around 6-7 months later (assuming growth rate is even).
I'm not DIrishB, nor am I in tune with how he structures the timeline, but I think for the sake of how episodes are more consecutive after 2x04, we could assume that Coulson meant that it would be bad in an election year figuratively. In other words, it would have been worse for Ward's brother if it was still 2014.
As for the 1989 and "25 years ago" stamp...I think if it were, like very late 1989 when that scene occurred, it could literally be like 25 years plus a few months later based on DIrishB's March placement for 2x08.
Stan Lee is also Larry King in this universe, and it's not like Larry King's presumed continued career post Iron Man II was seen as a contradiction with his day jobs at FedEx, etc
I like to think, now that his presence in the MCU has been confirmed as being an
agent of the Watchers
, he also has the ability to alter his appearance. So, when he was Larry King, he was the agent posing as Larry King, and that everyone in the MCU saw Larry King's face instead of Lee's using some advanced holographic tech or something. Its just the audience who are clued in that he is Lee and see him as that.
I thought it was just a whole joke about how Tony doesn't recognise he, following on from calling him Hugh Heffner in the first Iron Man.
A great continuity point about his character though is how in Ultron he has a hat saying "ww2 veteran" which we know to be true, being a military official in Captain America
Going through your timeline to see how your new SHIELD times are/update my copy and I've found a little problem.
You've got:
2014
January 20
Jessica Jones 1x06: "AKA You're a Winner" (0:28:36 - 0:29:39)
Jessica Jones 1x03: "AKA It's Called Whiskey" (0:41:02 - 0:42:25)
????
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:17:42 - 0:18:24)
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:23:20 - 0:24:33)
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:36:05 - 0:38:40)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:26:35 - 0:26:54)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:27:24 - 0:29:06)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:29:27 - 0:30:16)
1x06 and 1x03 show the end of Jessica's relationship with Killgrave while 1x05 (0:36:05 - 0:38:40) shows them meeting with the flashbacks in 1x10 dealing with their relationship. I can't remember how long their relationship lasted to give the right place to put the flashbacks but it would have to be sometime in 2013 and not 2014
Sure, here's the jump in 1x03. You've got it marked at 1:15 on the timeline, but it occurs at about 1:27 when I play it on Netflix. (It doesn't show in the screencap properly, but the episode is 52:48, so 52:48 - 51:21 is 1:27.)
Same offset holds elsewhere. Just occurred to me that maybe you're working from a copy? That might cut out the Netflix intro at the beginning.
From what I've heard, Fox owns Uatu and can use The Watchers, but they don't own the Watchers as a race. Marvel gets to use the race, too. Same for the Skrull.
I thought it was just a whole joke about how Tony doesn't recognise he, following on from calling him Hugh Heffner in the first Iron Man.
A great continuity point about his character though is how in Ultron he has a hat saying "ww2 veteran" which we know to be true, being a military official in Captain America
Oh, it was definitely intended that way originally, and can still be viewed that way, just saying with the Lee as same character in all these films there'd be a logic in the idea he can change appearance. It's only a theory of mine, and not one I'm saying is the case, just would make a certain sense in the larger story and his presence as an agent of Watchers.
They were. We can assume that Marvel and Fox maybe worked out a deal to use the Watchers, or get their rights back completely. Perhaps that was part of the deal Marvel made with Fox for them to do the various X-Men TV series (like Legion). And who knows, maybe, just maybe, the FF and other related characters were part of that deal (though not sure that's the case). It would align with the post Phase 3 focus on more cosmos oriented characters after Infinity War. We'll see.
Going through your timeline to see how your new SHIELD times are/update my copy and I've found a little problem.
You've got:
2014
January 20
Jessica Jones 1x06: "AKA You're a Winner" (0:28:36 - 0:29:39)
Jessica Jones 1x03: "AKA It's Called Whiskey" (0:41:02 - 0:42:25)
????
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:17:42 - 0:18:24)
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:23:20 - 0:24:33)
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:36:05 - 0:38:40)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:26:35 - 0:26:54)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:27:24 - 0:29:06)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:29:27 - 0:30:16)
1x06 and 1x03 show the end of Jessica's relationship with Killgrave while 1x05 (0:36:05 - 0:38:40) shows them meeting with the flashbacks in 1x10 dealing with their relationship. I can't remember how long their relationship lasted to give the right place to put the flashbacks but it would have to be sometime in 2013 and not 2014
I'll have to take a look, very well could be mistake on my part. So you're saying the following:
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:17:42 - 0:18:24)
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:23:20 - 0:24:33)
Jessica Jones 1x05: "AKA The Sandwich Saved Me" (0:36:05 - 0:38:40)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:26:35 - 0:26:54)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:27:24 - 0:29:06)
Jessica Jones 1x10: "AKA 1,000 Cuts" (0:29:27 - 0:30:16)
Sure, here's the jump in 1x03. You've got it marked at 1:15 on the timeline, but it occurs at about 1:27 when I play it on Netflix. (It doesn't show in the screencap properly, but the episode is 52:48, so 52:48 - 51:21 is 1:27.)
Same offset holds elsewhere. Just occurred to me that maybe you're working from a copy? That might cut out the Netflix intro at the beginning.
From what I've heard, Fox owns Uatu and can use The Watchers, but they don't own the Watchers as a race. Marvel gets to use the race, too. Same for the Skrull.
Yeah that might be why. I have Netflix but usually watch webrip copies for those shows when adding them to timeline cuz it's far easier to time code than it is watching it on TV and using remote to pause for time code purposes. I'll check that and can fix for the Netflix logo screen. Let me know if you noticed it in any other episodes.
