Marvel Comics Transformers and G.I. Joe Universe

[JudgeDreddpool]

May God help whoever decides to do a timeline thread for the Japanese G1 continuity of Transformer. Lord knows how much of a headache that is.

 

[BB10]

They separate by medium a lot too, and sometimes something of a different medium is considered the same canon. I would argue that a lot of realities are duplicates, only separated by presentation while maintaining the same continuity. So, a comic book is canon to a cartoon, but the comic book is animated in the latter. Probably, IDK.

Some of the writers here are talking about the streams here. Here they claim streams can diverge AND merge.
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:primax_787.3_Alpha
It doesn't sound like these streams are some final word on continuity. They are mostly identifiers for distinct media.

 

[BB10]

@Megatron I think it would be unfair for GI Joe if the later issues of the ARAH comic simply take place in a What If universe and not the actual universe the OG ARAH comic took place in. I prefer to think the ARAH and the Transformers comic universes are seperate universes that just share some events with each other. At least, this is how I like to think of it.

 

[selfishmisery]

Larry Hama's GI Joe comics continue under new labels to this very day. I think it's definitely its own unique universe.

 

[BB10]

Larry Hama's GI Joe comics continue under new labels to this very day. I think it's definitely its own unique universe.

Yeah, in my previous post, I meant to say that I think ARAH comics as a whole are their own seperate universe that shares SOME events with the Marvel Tranaformers comics and not just a splinter timeline of the TF comics (I am elaborating in case my previous post wasn't clear).

 

[GradoNite]

Legend:
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G. I. Joe
The Transformers
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Comics
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Reading Order:
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #1-21
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero (2008) #21/2
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #22
The Transformers [U.S.A.] (1984) #1
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #23-24
The Transformers [U.S.A.] (1984) #2
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #25-27
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero (2008) #10
The Transformers [U.S.A.] (1984) #3
The Transformers [U.S.A.] (1984) #33-34
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #28-30
The Transformers [U.K.] (1984) #13-21
The Transformers [U.S.A.] (1984) #4

Primax 984.0 Gamma (Marvel U.S.A.)

4.100.000 BCE
The Transformers (U.S.A.) #1: "The Transformers" (Pag. 1-4)

4.000.000 BCE
The Transformers (U.S.A.) #1: "The Transformers" (Pag. 5-9)

1982
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1: "Operation Lady Doomsday"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #1: "...Hot Potato!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #2: "Panic at the North Pole!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #3: "The Trojan Gambit"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #4: "Operation Wingfield!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #5: ""Tanks" for the Memories..."
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #6: "To Fail is to Conquer... to Succeed is to Die! (Ancient Afghan Provierb)"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #7: "Walls of Death!"

1983
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #8: "Code Name: Sea-Strike!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #9: "The Diplomat"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #10: "A Nice Little Town Like Ours..."
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #11: "The Pipeline Ploy!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #12: "Three Strikes for Snake-Eyes"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #13: "Last Plane From Rio Lindo"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #14: "Destro Attacks"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #15: "Red-Eye to Miami!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #16: "Night Attack!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #17: "Loose Ends"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #18: "Destro Returns!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #20: "Home is Where the War Is!"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #19: "Joe Triumphs!"

1984
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #21: "Silent Interlude"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #21/2: "Silent Between Borders"
G. I. Joe: A Real American Hero #22: "Like Chimney Sweepers Come to Dust..."
The Transformers (U.S.A.) #1: "The Transformers" (Pag. 9-25)

Hey Megs,

1983 begins with G.I. Joe #5


We see Stalker photographing a buck with fully grown antlers on G.I. Joe #2, bucks finish growing their antlers on September

We also see snow in Moscow, in 1982 it first snowed in Moscow during October 10th

GI Joe #5 takes place on Armed Forces Day, since it happens on May, it has to be next year

1984 begins with G.I. Joe #12

It is stated that the Washington D.C. Cherry Blossoms are in bloom, they begin blooming in April

Transformers UK #29 letters page states that Mount St. Hillary erupted in February 7, 1984, if this remains in the US continuity is up to you

However 'O' mentions the cancelation of the "That's Incredible!" TV Show on Transformers #2, which happened on April 30, 1984

Cover Girl's "Wolverine" vehicle also appears on Transformers #3, showing it happens after GI Joe #16 (April, possibly May)

So we have 3 options

1 - Disregard the February 7, 1984 date
2 - Assume there is a timeskip somewhere in issue #1 or #2
3 - Assume the Washington DC Cherry Blossoms bloom at a different time and that "That's Incredible!" was canceled at a different time in this universe

I would personally go with the 2nd, I don't think it's hard to imagine that the revival and sensor drones took months to do their work during Transformers #1

 

[Megatron]

Ok our italian publisher is restarting to publish the EU this month. So why Am I here you ask? Becouse suprisingly, we've got a reprint of 2 numbers!

G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #1 & The Transformers (1984) #1.

I'll buy those, as an apportunity to modernize this thread and go full deep on it, I just hope they reprint all the run, since they confirmed that they'll release the 2023 continuation of ARAH (1982).

 

[Megatron]

Hey Megs,

1983 begins with G.I. Joe #5


We see Stalker photographing a buck with fully grown antlers on G.I. Joe #2, bucks finish growing their antlers on September

We also see snow in Moscow, in 1982 it first snowed in Moscow during October 10th

GI Joe #5 takes place on Armed Forces Day, since it happens on May, it has to be next year

1984 begins with G.I. Joe #12

It is stated that the Washington D.C. Cherry Blossoms are in bloom, they begin blooming in April

Transformers UK #29 letters page states that Mount St. Hillary erupted in February 7, 1984, if this remains in the US continuity is up to you

However 'O' mentions the cancelation of the "That's Incredible!" TV Show on Transformers #2, which happened on April 30, 1984

Cover Girl's "Wolverine" vehicle also appears on Transformers #3, showing it happens after GI Joe #16 (April, possibly May)

So we have 3 options

1 - Disregard the February 7, 1984 date
2 - Assume there is a timeskip somewhere in issue #1 or #2
3 - Assume the Washington DC Cherry Blossoms bloom at a different time and that "That's Incredible!" was canceled at a different time in this universe

I would personally go with the 2nd, I don't think it's hard to imagine that the revival and sensor drones took months to do their work during Transformers #1

the time skip is pretty resonable since if we take into account UK, we've got 3 arcs that goes from 1984 and 1985, and those are set between issues 3 and 4.

And if memory didn't leave me, issue 5 starts directly after 4, right?

 

[Megatron]

Is it accurate?

http://moa.omnimulti.com/Chronological_Transformers_Marvel_UK

 

[Megatron]

I guess we have an official order. I wonder how they'll integrate Earthforce



Just hope they could get released here too, somehow, cos it would prolly be double the price for me.

P.S. since it's 99.9% possible that they won't release in my country, since it's kickstarter EXCLUSIVE if someone here is part of the kickstarting campaign and will be an owner of these? I would be so thankful if you could share the order of the comics they are in here. Thank you for your collaborations.

EDIT: I asked them on their YT channel, I just hope I can get an answer.

 

[Megatron]

They did one for G.I. Joe too, but doesn't include Action Force and also, shouldn't there be some Hasbro Comics too?



EDIT: okii, I'm not crazy

https://gijoe.fandom.com/wiki/G.I._Joe:_A_Real_American_Hero_(Hasbro)_21.5
It seems like to be about the Marvel Comics era, that's a bit unfortunaly as I'd have loved to have smt similar to what they're doing with Transformers.

Also they missed the characters profiles from Yearbook #1

 

[Megatron]

Okii now diving into G.I. Joe (USA).

According to the Wiki, this are the comics that takes place in this continuity:

G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #1-322
G.I. Joe: Yearbook (1985) #1-4
G.I. Joe: Special Missions (1986) #1-28
G.I. Joe: Order of Battle (1986) #1-4
G.I. Joe (1992) #1-4
G.I. Joe (1995) #1-3
G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (2001) #1-43
G.I Joe: Frontlines (2002) #1-18
G.I. Joe: Fold-Out (2002) #1-11
G.I. Joe: Master & Apprentice (2004) #1-4
G.I. Joe: Master & Apprentice 2 (2005) #1-4
G.I. Joe: America's Elite (2005) #0-36
G.I. Joe: The Hunt for Cobra Commander (2005) #1
G.I. Joe: Special Missions (2006) #1-5
Snake Eyes: Declassified (2006) #1-6
Scarlett: Declassified (2006) #1
G.I. Joe: Declassified (2006) #1-3
Dreadnoks: Declassified (2006) #1-3
G.I. Joe: Storm Shadow (2007) #1-7
G.I. Joe (2008) #1-12
G.I. Joe Annual (2012) #1
G.I. Joe: Silent Option (2018) #1-4
G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero vs. Bionic Man (2018) #1-4 (canon if in declassified G.I. Joe was founded before 1981)
G.I. Joe: Yearbook (2019) #1
G.I. Joe: Silent Missions (2025) #1-5

And this seems all, tell me if I forgot anything. Now I'll go with Transformers.

 

[Pro Bot]

G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero vs. Bionic Man (2018) #1-4 (canon if in declassified G.I. Joe was founded before 1981)

Uh oh, lol.

 

[Megatron]

Now for Transformers:

Woman's Day (1928) #??
The Transformers USA (1984) #1-80
The Transformers UK (1984) #1-332
The Transformers Annual (1985) #1-7
The Transformers: Universe (1986) #1-4
The Transfoermers: The Movie (1986) #1-3
The Transformers: Headmasters (1987) #1-4
The Transformers: Generation 2 (1993) #0-12
The Transformers: Classics (Various Fiction)
The Transformers: Regeneration One (2012) #81-100
The Transformers '84 (2019) #0
The Transformers '84: Secrets & Lies (2020) #1-4

 

[Megatron]

So this leaves us with the Action Force, and TF Magazines comics that are too many to list.

 

[Megatron]

Ta-da!!

 

[Megatron]

ok guys, the YT channel of the company that is releasing the TF and G.I. Joe in my country confirmed that there are no plans for a publication of those series in my country. So I hope the kickstarter is still open, and goes out of the usa. If not. My Americans friends, my hopes are on you.

 

[Megatron]

anyways today I'll hopefully add the 1st issues of G.I. Joe and Transformers.

Then we'll have to wait for the kickstarter.

 

[selfishmisery]

ok guys, the YT channel of the company that is releasing the TF and G.I. Joe in my country confirmed that there are no plans for a publication of those series in my country. So I hope the kickstarter is still open, and goes out of the usa. If not. My Americans friends, my hopes are on you.

I bet it's 100% because of a certain someone's tariffs in the US...

 

[Megatron]

I bet it's 100% because of a certain someone's tariffs in the US...

Anyways the preorder is not available.

Good so I'll have to hope that someone scans it, or it appears on some free comics online site...

 

[Megatron]

btw I want to clarify on that matter, as they're will still publish the EU in my country as well the newest Larry Lama continuation (then why don't reprint the OG Series for ughhh).

They're not going to just print the 80s comics for my country. AT LEAST FOR NOW.

But as Selfish said, maybe it will stay in the US.

 

[Megatron]

Also I discussed the new order with the wiki discord server, and they dismissed it as just a reprint akin to the "Complete G1 Collection".

Even tho as the kickstarter profile said, there's going to be edits to make the stories fit more nicely together, AND WE'VE GOT EARTHFORCE, THE END OF THE 80S SERIES, G2 AND UK G2 IN A SINGLE VOLUME!!! WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT'S JUST A REPRINT????

In any case, don't expect the wiki to change their timeline or their reading order on their document if the TAAO Compendiums contraddicts it.

 

[Megatron]

Okii now diving into G.I. Joe (USA).

According to the Wiki, this are the comics that takes place in this continuity:

G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (1982) #1-322
G.I. Joe: Yearbook (1985) #1-4
G.I. Joe: Special Missions (1986) #1-28
G.I. Joe: Order of Battle (1986) #1-4
G.I. Joe (1992) #1-4
G.I. Joe (1995) #1-3
G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero (2001) #1-43
G.I Joe: Frontlines (2002) #1-18
G.I. Joe: Fold-Out (2002) #1-11
G.I. Joe: Master & Apprentice (2004) #1-4
G.I. Joe: Master & Apprentice 2 (2005) #1-4
G.I. Joe: America's Elite (2005) #0-36
G.I. Joe: The Hunt for Cobra Commander (2005) #1
G.I. Joe: Special Missions (2006) #1-5
Snake Eyes: Declassified (2006) #1-6
Scarlett: Declassified (2006) #1
G.I. Joe: Declassified (2006) #1-3
Dreadnoks: Declassified (2006) #1-3
G.I. Joe: Storm Shadow (2007) #1-7
G.I. Joe (2008) #1-12
G.I. Joe Annual (2012) #1
G.I. Joe: Silent Option (2018) #1-4
G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero vs. Bionic Man (2018) #1-4 (canon if in declassified G.I. Joe was founded before 1981)
G.I. Joe: Yearbook (2019) #1
G.I. Joe: Silent Missions (2025) #1-5

And this seems all, tell me if I forgot anything. Now I'll go with Transformers.

https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/A_Real_American_Hero_comic_continuity
Ok so here we have it, the precise comics that makes up the G.I. Joe part of the continuity!

 

[Megatron]

Ok guys, someone on the wiki listed the contents of each comic:

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers:_Til_All_Are_One_Compendium_1

So we know the order, The compendiums have interesting choises Like putting "State Games" and "And There Shall Come... a Leader!" after US #4, but I want to let you notice on the 4th volume:

So now we have the earthspark continuity post US #80, then G. I. Joe and the Transformers crossovers, then US G2 and finally UK G2.

So this final volume could mean 2 thing:

1) It's where they ****** up.

2) It's where they finally solved how to put them together.


cos I'd have done UK #255 to #289 before US #60 since after that UK published only reprints; for the other annuals stories IDK, for those I'd need to read them; for the G.I Joe crossover I'd have put it after US #24, but maybe they're into something, eh?

And finally for G2 I's have done:

G.I. Joe Prologue, US G2 #1-2 + Halloween Special + #3, UK G2 #1-2 (since the rest are reprints of US from #4 onwards), then US G2 #4-12.

But again, Volumes 1 to 3 are solid, I'll need to take a look about the placememnts of volume 4.

Now let's add what's missing eh?

The full classicverse would be set after US G2 #12 (If I'm right) or UK G2 #2 (If they're right); Re-generation One is placed after the Classicverse and Transformers '84 should be placed after US #80. I think that's all, right?

 

[selfishmisery]

Ok guys, someone on the wiki listed the contents of each comic:

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers:_Til_All_Are_One_Compendium_1

So we know the order, The compendiums have interesting choises Like putting "State Games" and "And There Shall Come... a Leader!" after US #4, but I want to let you notice on the 4th volume:

So now we have the earthspark continuity post US #80, then G. I. Joe and the Transformers crossovers, then US G2 and finally UK G2.

So this final volume could mean 2 thing:

1) It's where they ****** up.

2) It's where they finally solved how to put them together.


cos I'd have done UK #255 to #289 before US #60 since after that UK published only reprints; for the other annuals stories IDK, for those I'd need to read them; for the G.I Joe crossover I'd have put it after US #24, but maybe they're into something, eh?

And finally for G2 I's have done:

G.I. Joe Prologue, US G2 #1-2 + Halloween Special + #3, UK G2 #1-2 (since the rest are reprints of US from #4 onwards), then US G2 #4-12.

But again, Volumes 1 to 3 are solid, I'll need to take a look about the placememnts of volume 4.

Now let's add what's missing eh?

The full classicverse would be set after US G2 #12 (If I'm right) or UK G2 #2 (If they're right); Re-generation One is placed after the Classicverse and Transformers '84 should be placed after US #80. I think that's all, right?

Yeah I was gonna post Near Mint Conditions YT video about it the other day but couldn't because I had my own stuff going on.

Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkY24BB1s5k

 

[Mike_Castle]

Ok guys, someone on the wiki listed the contents of each comic:

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Transformers:_Til_All_Are_One_Compendium_1

So we know the order, The compendiums have interesting choises Like putting "State Games" and "And There Shall Come... a Leader!" after US #4, but I want to let you notice on the 4th volume:

So now we have the earthspark continuity post US #80, then G. I. Joe and the Transformers crossovers, then US G2 and finally UK G2.

So this final volume could mean 2 thing:

1) It's where they ****** up.

2) It's where they finally solved how to put them together.


cos I'd have done UK #255 to #289 before US #60 since after that UK published only reprints; for the other annuals stories IDK, for those I'd need to read them; for the G.I Joe crossover I'd have put it after US #24, but maybe they're into something, eh?

And finally for G2 I's have done:

G.I. Joe Prologue, US G2 #1-2 + Halloween Special + #3, UK G2 #1-2 (since the rest are reprints of US from #4 onwards), then US G2 #4-12.

But again, Volumes 1 to 3 are solid, I'll need to take a look about the placememnts of volume 4.

Now let's add what's missing eh?

The full classicverse would be set after US G2 #12 (If I'm right) or UK G2 #2 (If they're right); Re-generation One is placed after the Classicverse and Transformers '84 should be placed after US #80. I think that's all, right?

It's very cool that they included The Night the Transformers Saved Christmas, by the way

 

[Megatron]

Yeah I was gonna post Near Mint Conditions YT video about it the other day but couldn't because I had my own stuff going on.

Here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkY24BB1s5k

I read one of the first comments, and aa guy said that they moved the crossover in the back as in the UK it had a different story on how Bumblebee became Goldbug. But still G2 starts with G. I. Joe so I can't toss them away.

 

[TK37564]

I read one of the first comments, and aa guy said that they moved the crossover in the back as in the UK it had a different story on how Bumblebee became Goldbug. But still G2 starts with G. I. Joe so I can't toss them away.

The 80s Crossover is not in continuity with the Marvel UK run. Marvel UK did not publish the crossover until 1990 to rebuild up the gap between the Marvel UK and Marvel US rans with the editors note explaining the reason as such with the publishing of the first part of Issue 1 of the crossover. Also the Fleetway G2 Comics in the UK issue 1 and 2 are an original story with fleetway issue 3-5 reprinting Marvel G2 Issue 4 and 5.

 

[BB10]

The full classicverse would be set after US G2 #12 (If I'm right) or UK G2 #2 (If they're right); Re-generation One is placed after the Classicverse and Transformers '84 should be placed after US #80. I think that's all, right?

I think G2 isn't canon to the Classicsverse though? I couldn't see the Classics mentioned on the Wiki pages.

BTW, I'd have liked it if they would have officially published the Alignment story unless there are legal problems with that? (I would imagine Simon Furman wouldn't mind).

 

[selfishmisery]

Thank freakin' God....