Marvel's Earth-616 Timeline

[myusernameyes]

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Its part of the multiverse.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-327

Including the Smart Beavis and Butt-Head solely because they look like the watchers is insane lol
Imagine if someone ends up using that number because it's the closest one that doesn't have 5 numbers in it and we'll end up with some universe observed by these two

 

[BB10]

@Megatron the Marvel Appendix is starting to get to these external properties especially the Transformers stuff now btw.

Hopefully we'll get reality numbers for Invincible or Image stuff soon lol

There are so many Marvel related Transformers realities that can be numbered.

-UK alternate timeline where Galvatron kills Powermaster Optimus.
-the G1 cartoon (it's a Marvel production)
-Regeneration One (Marvel continuity continuation, albeit in my mind, this is Earth-91274)
- Classics continuity (Marvel continuity What If timeline, even had cameos from Spider-Man, Luke Cage and Invisible Woman). The fact that this reality wasn't published by Marvel wouldn't matter, as the Appendix numbered realities that appeared in external properties, such as the Silent Bob Daredevil and the Simpsons X-Men.
-the IDW 2005 universe, as the Marvel crossover is canon there (alternatively, the NA/TF crossover could be removed from 7642 and placed solely in the IDW 2005verse)
-Fleetway G2 (it had licence to publish Marvel G2 issues, so it counts I guess.)
-Maybe FunPub Shattered Glass continuity as well, as it is a mirror universe to the Marvel branch Classics continuity, and even features an evil Spider-Man counterpart named Arachnolord.

Transformers is messy, as the Marvel Content now references to both UK and USA events, so if Marvel divides them, I'd ignore it tbh.

In my mind, the UK stories (Earth-120185) lead to G2 and Alignment (the latter story references the UK Galvatron by saying the US Galvatron is Galvatron II, meaning there has to exist a Galvatron I), while the continuity strictly including the US-only stories, Earth-91274, leads to RG1 (the biggest divergence of the US comics is that GI Joe crossover miniseries).

As for the Marvel GI Joe side of things, I consider only their crossovers with Transformers canon to the TFverse (assuming the UK and the US GI Joe comics condradict each other, which is what I have heard).

This approach just feels cleaner than a dozen universes with minute differences. I wonder what Simpn Furman would say to this idea?

BTW, I previously thought Simon Furman's Omega Point (but not the rest of 3H comics) might have fit into the continuity of Alignment as well. However, Omega Point says the events of the 86 movie happened in 2005 (which is not the case in the main comic timeline), so that story is more like an cartoon/comic amalgam continuity or the cartoon continuity itself.

 

[BB10]

I don't know why the Appendix designated the 2099 seen in Deadpool GLI Summer Special as Earth-709077, when the writer clearly meant it to be Earth-2992 (Marvel Knights 2099). The comic literally references the Marvel Team-Up issues taking place on Earth-2992 and features characters from Marvel Knights 2099 as well as the Earth-6215 characters. There is nothing condradicting 709077 from 2992.

I think it might be a mistake. I will email the Appendix editors, they might change it if it is indeed a mistake. They did it before.

 

[BB10]

I don't know why the Appendix designated the 2099 seen in Deadpool GLI Summer Special as Earth-709077, when the writer clearly meant it to be Earth-2992 (Marvel Knights 2099). The comic literally references the Marvel Team-Up issues taking place on Earth-2992 and features characters from Marvel Knights 2099 as well as the Earth-6215 characters. There is nothing condradicting 709077 from 2992.

I think it might be a mistake. I will email the Appendix editors, they might change it if it is indeed a mistake. They did it before.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-709077I contacted the Appendix editor Snood and I guess he brought it up to the other editors since Marvel Wiki (who is in contact with the Appendix) just decided to delete their Wikia page lol.

 

[myusernameyes]

It was actually fun while it lasted

 

[selfishmisery]

Ever thought that Simpsons depends on a Sliding Timescale as well?

I dunno how you timeline the Simpsons universe without Silding Timescale logic, ignoring conflicting backstories or assuming there's multiple timelines lmao.

EDIT: Probably should have posted this in Timeline Hub...Futurama is more consistent-wise than Simpsons IIRC, while Family Guy and the Seth MacFarlane show just gave...non-existent continuity. All cartoon logic for the Seth ****.

 

[GradoNite]

Hey Megs! Strange Tales #101-106 are all between Fantastic Four #8 and #9

1. Marvels: Eye of the Camera #1 depicts The Thing and Alicia reaching the Baxter Building (Fantastic Four #8) as happening before Strange Tales #101
2. Johnny ceases concealing his secret identity in Strange Tales #106, while he reveals it to two random ladies he just met in Fantastic Four #9

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Okay, since am getting back onto this, I need some recommendations for which comics to focus on, preferably WW2-era stuff.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Actually, on second thought, found a series I'm gonna lock in for...

Battle (1951)
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/complete_title_detail.php?page=1&list_type=2&limit=100&title_id=1522

 

[BB10]

Actually, on second thought, found a series I'm gonna lock in for...

Battle (1951)
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/complete_title_detail.php?page=1&list_type=2&limit=100&title_id=1522

The thing I don't understand with these older comics is which ones are canon and which ones are 'fictionalized accounts'? I mean, some of these comics were retconned to be in-universe comics, like Patsy Walker and Marvel Boy. I think even the 40s Captain America comics were retconned as such.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Starting with an easy one... Battle #3's story is set in 1942, with the latter half set in December. The mention of El Agheila also places it during the Battle of El Agheila, which took place from December 11th to December 18th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_El_Agheila

Spoiler

1942
????
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 1 [Panel 3]-3) [Earth-616]
December
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 4-5 [Panel 1]) [Earth-616]
December 11th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 2-4]) [Earth-616]
December 12th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]
December 15th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 6) [Earth-616]
December 16th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 7 [Panel 1-3], 1 [Panel 1], 7 [Panel 4], 1 [Panel 2], 7 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

The thing I don't understand with these older comics is which ones are canon and which ones are 'fictionalized accounts'? I mean, some of these comics were retconned to be in-universe comics, like Patsy Walker and Marvel Boy. I think even the 40s Captain America comics were retconned as such.

Granted, I think most of the original Golden Age comics are still canon, but it was more stuff like the Young Allies, which were mostly retconned into in-universe comics (with Washington Jones pointing out in Young Allies Comics 70th Anniversary Special [attached image below] how they made his comic counterpart "Whitewash Jones" a racist caricature).

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

And meanwhile, you also have Walter "Slow Motion" Jones, and while his exploits with the Whizzer from the Golden Age stories are technically canon (minus all that racial caricature stuff), the sadly cut-short All-Winners Squad: Band of Heroes miniseries showed that Jones wasn't as dumb as the GA stories presented him as, even possessing super-human speed of his own.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Starting with an easy one... Battle #3's story is set in 1942, with the latter half set in December. The mention of El Agheila also places it during the Battle of El Agheila, which took place from December 11th to December 18th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_El_Agheila

Spoiler

1942
????
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 1 [Panel 3]-3) [Earth-616]
December
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 4-5 [Panel 1]) [Earth-616]
December 11th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 2-4]) [Earth-616]
December 12th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]
December 15th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 6) [Earth-616]
December 16th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 7 [Panel 1-3], 1 [Panel 1], 7 [Panel 4], 1, [Panel 2], 7 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]

@Megatron

 

[BB10]

I would think only the Meteor Man Movie adaptation comic would be canon in this case, no?

I watched the movie and read the comics and indeed the comic picks up directly from the adaptation, which has minor differences from the movie.

In the adaptation, they added an extra scene taking place after the events of the movie that leads into the comic series.

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Starting with an easy one... Battle #3's story is set in 1942, with the latter half set in December. The mention of El Agheila also places it during the Battle of El Agheila, which took place from December 11th to December 18th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_El_Agheila

Spoiler

1942
????
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 1 [Panel 3]-3) [Earth-616]
December
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 4-5 [Panel 1]) [Earth-616]
December 11th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 2-4]) [Earth-616]
December 12th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]
December 15th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 6) [Earth-616]
December 16th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 7 [Panel 1-3], 1 [Panel 1], 7 [Panel 4], 1, [Panel 2], 7 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]

@Megatron you gonna add this to the timeline?

 

[JudgeDreddpool]

Starting with an easy one... Battle #3's story is set in 1942, with the latter half set in December. The mention of El Agheila also places it during the Battle of El Agheila, which took place from December 11th to December 18th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_El_Agheila

Spoiler

1942
????
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 1 [Panel 3]-3) [Earth-616]
December
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 4-5 [Panel 1]) [Earth-616]
December 11th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 2-4]) [Earth-616]
December 12th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 5 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]
December 15th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 6) [Earth-616]
December 16th
Battle #3: "Defeat in the Desert" (Pg. 7 [Panel 1-3], 1 [Panel 1], 7 [Panel 4], 1, [Panel 2], 7 [Panel 5-6]) [Earth-616]

@Megatron still waiting on you to add this.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jay_&_Silent_Bob:_Jays_of_Future_Past_Vol_1_1
Earth-616, by the way. (I would only include the comic though...)

 

[Pro Bot]

Even then, I don't think it works very well in Earth-616 but... eh.

 

[Pro Bot]

Should have been Earth-37... if you know, you know.

 

[selfishmisery]

Should have been Earth-37... if you know, you know.

IN A ROW?!

 

[Pro Bot]

See, this guy gets it.

 

[iceman109]

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Jay_&_Silent_Bob:_Jays_of_Future_Past_Vol_1_1
Earth-616, by the way. (I would only include the comic though...)

I feel like these are variants instead of the pair we see in the movies

 

[Pro Bot]

Riiiight... variants.

 

[Pro Bot]

The whole story references View Askewniverse movies in a way that means that they genuinely happened, and Jay even references the actual movies as a meta reference of time passing.

 

[Pro Bot]

The events of Dogma are even recalled. The existence of Milly relies on both Jay and Silent Bob solo films happening. Clerks III's ending is important to the story.

 

[Pro Bot]

It's honestly why I don't like the Earth-616 thing. If they wanted to make variants from Earth-616, that's cool. Instead, they made it a sequel to Clerks III but set in the Marvel Universe. Why?

 

[iceman109]

I feel like they could be variants and the events of the movies still happened, take the events of Batman 1989 and Batman Returns both taking place on Earth 89 and 789

 

[Pro Bot]

Yes, but there's no branching timeline or history like there is there. Here, it's literally just a genuine continuation of the movies. There's no reason to think there's a second View Askewniverse when Kevin wrote this story.

 

[Pro Bot]

The fact that they reference their past as movies, to me, shows that they see it as being genuinely the same characters. I think placing it in Earth-616 was just a gag because it'd be funny to link the worlds like that, but I guess we'll have to see what Kevin says if he ever talks about it.