Planet-man
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Carried over from the current Dreamcasting thread....
Part of me wonders whether or not O'Brien actually still is a faithful member of The Brotherhood. Maybe Goldstien really wrote the book, maybe O'Brien and co. did. Let's say it's the latter. What better way to make sure it's never eradicated than to write and use it as a supposed tool of the Thought Police? What better way to disguise all true allegiance to The Brotherhood than to record your actions and expose them yourself as tactical treachery if your pupils are caught(which they were, but by Charrington, not O'Brien)?
Hell, maybe the entire system was FOUNDED on Inner Party members secretly running and believing in the Brotherhood because of Doublethink, and the government needing an even closer enemy. The possibilities are so mind-boggling and endless, just more proof this is one of the greatest books ever written and far better than that Nobel-Prize winning Lord of the Flies trash.
What do you think?
I've added a description of my invisioned opening sequence that I came up with back when I read the book 2 years ago. Check it out.
What I like about the ending and more importantly, the Room 101 revelation, is that it's completely necessary in terms of the book being used as a know-thy-enemy/know what's at stake eye-opener, because it's exactly how a system like that would try to work. I've come to terms with the ending by deciding that even though Winston was changed, even though there was the "real" betrayal after all, and the affair and rebelion will be forgotten and erased, whatever the Inner's say.... the fact that they happened in the first place is still something, and all those moments still exist somewhere, with the past.
And there are all the people in the equatorial regions. They may live lives embroiled in war, poverty and death, but they still have the opportunity to live and die free.
Planet-man said:I also like to imagine the Earth was later invaded by aliens and the resulting chaos destroyed the system. And don't even get me started about my partially storyboarded, eventually to be animated alternate ending...
TwilightEL said:I was reading the Black Dossier, and they talk aboutO'Brien being the "leader" of the party and how Ingsoc fell. "Leader"? The party has no leader. Did the writer even read the book?
But then I realized... if that happened, it would be beautiful. Because O'Brien knew that having a leader, a real flesh-and-blood leader would destroy the party. He knew it. So if he actually became leader? And everyone on his level or higher allowed him to do it? It would mean that under the layers of brainwashing, doublethink and self-censoring, they knowingly allowed the party to crumble and decay from within. That would be amazing.
You're challenging Alan Moore?
Moore must be familiar with 1984, having written parts of it himself.
No offence guys but shouldn't this thread stay about the dreamcasting not the book? If you want to continue talking about the book why not make a thread on the book.
Part of me wonders whether or not O'Brien actually still is a faithful member of The Brotherhood. Maybe Goldstien really wrote the book, maybe O'Brien and co. did. Let's say it's the latter. What better way to make sure it's never eradicated than to write and use it as a supposed tool of the Thought Police? What better way to disguise all true allegiance to The Brotherhood than to record your actions and expose them yourself as tactical treachery if your pupils are caught(which they were, but by Charrington, not O'Brien)?
Hell, maybe the entire system was FOUNDED on Inner Party members secretly running and believing in the Brotherhood because of Doublethink, and the government needing an even closer enemy. The possibilities are so mind-boggling and endless, just more proof this is one of the greatest books ever written and far better than that Nobel-Prize winning Lord of the Flies trash.
What do you think?