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J. Agamemnon

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Edit: And what happens to oil-rich territory when the rich men that own them are all up and gone? The young men and women left behind are going to know the world will need energy sources when it rebuilds.

The thing with this is that the "rich men" with the oil territories also have their hands in the private banking system along with other various corporations. Their lineage is handed down to their own youth who carry on the legacy because they were told to do so. The Rockerfeller now is the same as his grandad Rockerfeller with the same amount of pull and political agenda.

Worse comes to worse, they manipulate the media to thinking that buying up the oil field land is going to be worth something and "nows the time to buy." So they(rich men) sell it, make money while the ones duped go bankrupt and have to sell back(to the rich men) for a cheaper price. So in the end, it 's profit. The rich men will never be up and gone. The Rothschild family is the perfect example for this. Their manipulation of the banking system dates back to the Napoleonic Wars. They basically own the Bank of England which owns The Fed and the reason we no longer use the gold standard.
 

Zombipanda

My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
The thing with this is that the "rich men" with the oil territories also have their hands in the private banking system along with other various corporations. Their lineage is handed down to their own youth who carry on the legacy because they were told to do so. The Rockerfeller now is the same as his grandad Rockerfeller with the same amount of pull and political agenda.

Worse comes to worse, they manipulate the media to thinking that buying up the oil field land is going to be worth something and "nows the time to buy." So they(rich men) sell it, make money while the ones duped go bankrupt and have to sell back(to the rich men) for a cheaper price. So in the end, it 's profit. The rich men will never be up and gone. The Rothschild family is the perfect example for this. Their manipulation of the banking system dates back to the Napoleonic Wars. They basically own the Bank of England which owns The Fed and the reason we no longer use the gold standard.

Thanks for the history lesson. :roll:

But what media? What money? What property? Even if there was no societal upheaval (which there absolutely would be), the event would overturn global economics and make present currency worthless. "Wealth" is in the hands of anyone who has the means to grab it at that point. I'd say the two groups in the United States most likely to seize hold of power would be the remaining military (who now have their hands on a rather large, if limited, access to fuel and weaponry) and East Coast street gangs, who already have weapons in the hands of, or easily accessible to, youth, and who have for years built a structure in which the youth are trained to be soldiers. Same goes for backwaters militias. In short, all the wackos with extremist agendas (Add Islamic fundamentalist terror groups to that list) are going to be the ones in position to take power.... They have youth that's trained for battle and indoctrinated into mindsets of conquest. Although I'd imagine it would be hard to enforce any sort of power that's not localized.

and as an aside.... compound mentioned a hip-hop artist serving as a secondary character. I could easily see cults of personality building around local celebrities in the hipster scenes.
 
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JonniRandom

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Oh god!
I don't want a credit!
I just had a few questionnnnnes, I wrote them down ages ago when I read this but wasn't a member, give me a few days!
 

compound

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Thanx for your enthusiasm, man! You've raised some interesting points.

And then the real question. What happens to all the nuclear arms and other vast weaponry when the majority of the chain of command has just disappeared, and all that's left across these bases is the youth?

Hahaha. I was hoping nobody would ask about this. Here's the situation:

The first half of the series (described above) focuses largely on Alpha and his initial party ("the Seattle group"). They all have very specific, very personal reasons for making the journey to the East Coast; what's happening in the rest of society only matters to the extent that it affects them (which, really, is a typically youthful attitude).

As a result, the series is more concerned with their misadventures, to begin with.

But once "the California group" enter the picture, during the "Children's Crusade" arc, the dynamic begins to shift. See, they're led by Amaya (family name unknown; possibly an alias), a very brutal, engimatic 20-year-old black woman, who has obviously done some kind of military espionage work, even at her young age. And she's much more concerned with discovering what's become of America's weapon supply, even if she isn't open about what exactly she plans for it.

The basic idea is that the chain of command has pretty much broken down, after O-Day. There are still trained Reservists out there. Some have already broken ranks and formed their own mutinous militias (as seen during "Teenage Riot" and "Children's Crusade"); but that doesn't mean there aren't more disciplined groups elsewhere, attempting to restore order in other parts of the country. And that's where Amaya comes in.

I assure you that beginning with the next few arcs, after "Ain't Nothin' But A Number", i'll begin to address the wider political implications of O-Day, as Alpha fades into the background a little, and Amaya's group become the focus of the narrative.

Edit: And what happens to oil-rich territory when the rich men that own them are all up and gone? The young men and women left behind are going to know the world will need energy sources when it rebuilds.

While I can't guarantee that we'll ever find out what happens in the Middle East after O-Day, I *will* say that there's an entire arc set in Texas that directly addresses the "fuel question". But i'm still hammering out the finer details of that particular storyline.

Edit Edit: I'm also going to guess that the singularity is some sort of premeditated act, perhaps on the part of people in the future, to grind the looming ecological emergencies to a halt.

I'll say that you're half right. I won't jump the gun on the precise explanation, but you're definitely getting closer...

I'd say the two groups in the United States most likely to seize hold of power would be the remaining military (who now have their hands on a rather large, if limited, access to fuel and weaponry) and East Coast street gangs, who already have weapons in the hands of, or easily accessible to, youth, and who have for years built a structure in which the youth are trained to be soldiers. Same goes for backwaters militias. In short, all the wackos with extremist agendas (Add Islamic fundamentalist terror groups to that list) are going to be the ones in position to take power.... They have youth that's trained for battle and indoctrinated into mindsets of conquest.

Once again, you're right on all counts, ZP.

street gangs: We don't even need to reach the East Coast to address this. The very next arc gives us a belated first look at a major city, post-O-Day: Denver, CO. And it's gonna be full-scale gang warfare. But also surprisingly all too human. Details soon.

backwaters militias: This will be addressed briefly, in "Youthopia". But if I explain any further, I'd spoil the big twist. And then we'll come back to it, later on, in the Texas arc.

Islamic fundamentalist terror groups: These guys will play a big part of the story, once the two parties regroup in the East Coast. Since they're directly related to Haroun's individual storyline, i'll refrain from disclosing more, for now. But they're definitely on the agenda. Don't worry.

Although I'd imagine it would be hard to enforce any sort of power that's not localized.

Attempting to do so is one of the key themes of the series -- quite literally, what does it take to rebuild not just America, but the *United States* of America?

I could easily see cults of personality building around local celebrities in the hipster scenes.

You've been reading my notes, haven't you? This is definitiely a key aspect of the Denver storyline, as well. It's directly related to the gangbanger aspect.
 
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Zombipanda

My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
A few stray points here and there - things you've probably thought through but I thought I'd mention. roadways would be devastated by huge monuments of steel and glass. Every major city would probably see at least one metropolitan plane crash. Most electronic grids would fall apart in hours, but Hoover Dam could hypothetically keep running power without any sort of maintenance well into a year.

When I first read the idea I was worried that it would be too similar to Y: The Last Man, but I think there'd the age gap is a good enough distinction to make it different in satisfying ways. There would be so many jobs critically important to the stability of our most basic structures that have absolutely no one trained to complete them, but at the same time, there's access to so much information. I think the scariest part is what happens to all these young children, particularly the ones without older brothers or sisters, who aren't yet equipped to even feed themselves or communicate? (Census note: a quarter of the world is under 15) In Y's world, a significant portion of the political and corporate body are still there. There's still people who know things in the global sense and have means of power and communication. Here it's all wiped clean.

Thanx for your enthusiasm, man! You've raised some interesting points.

Thank Jah. not literally. God is silly. But thank Jah and all the wonderful plants in His Kingdom.

compound said:
The first half of the series (described above) focuses largely on Alpha and his initial party ("the Seattle group"). They all have very specific, very personal reasons for making the journey to the East Coast; what's happening in the rest of society only matters to the extent that it affects them (which, really, is a typically youthful attitude).

and I think that's really the attitude that will make the story spin. Road Warrior meets Easy Rider?

compound said:
As a result, the series is more concerned with their misadventures, to begin with.

For sure. I mean, a lot of these kids are going to be scared and horrified, but on the other hand there's going to be this (sometimes subconscious) feeling of "We're free!" and especially among these older guys it's this feeling of youth finally having a chance to change the world how they want to, for the first time since the sixties.

compound said:
But once "the California group" enter the picture, during the "Children's Crusade" arc, the dynamic begins to shift. See, they're led by Amaya (family name unknown; possibly an alias), a very brutal, engimatic 20-year-old black woman, who has obviously done some kind of military espionage work, even at her young age. And she's much more concerned with discovering what's become of America's weapon supply, even if she isn't open about what exactly she plans for it.

Which, and I understand you have to be very vague with it, doesn't really grab me. But that's the kind of thing where the details will sell it. Incidentally, speaking on issues of militaries, any region with a substantial guerilla movement to contend with (especially less-developed regions that are more accustomed to self-sufficiency) would thrive better than areas in more developed countries. And with the governments that have suppressed them evaporated, they'd have ready access to their nation's hardware.

compound said:
The basic idea is that the chain of command has pretty much broken down, after O-Day.

I'd imagine there isn't a single link in chain left.

compound said:
I'll say that you're half right. I won't jump the gun on the precise explanation, but you're definitely getting closer...

As long as it isn't a Middle Eastern terror plot, I'm cool.

compound said:
street gangs: We don't even need to reach the East Coast to address this. The very next arc gives us a belated first look at a major city, post-O-Day: Denver, CO. And it's gonna be full-scale gang warfare. But also surprisingly all too human. Details soon.

Denver is a really, really good choice. The automatic assumption (mine included) when talking about gangs is to think about the East Coast, but Denver's supposed to be vicious, super vicious. And now they're just fully trained, armed militaries let loose on the city.

compound said:
You've been reading my notes, haven't you?

I'm a mind taker.

compound said:
This is definitiely a key aspect of the Denver storyline, as well. It's directly related to the gangbanger aspect.

hm... not sure how I think about that.... but it sounds like you've got everything planned out. Good luck, dude.
 

ourchair

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We need an imaginary wiki with imaginary speculation about this imaginary series with imaginary write ups about the imaginary spin-off material like imaginary novels, books, imaginary videogames and imaginary mobiseries tie-ins.
 

Zombipanda

My Boom-Boom's mostly gay
We need an imaginary wiki with imaginary speculation about this imaginary series with imaginary write ups about the imaginary spin-off material like imaginary novels, books, imaginary videogames and imaginary mobiseries tie-ins.

:D I am now convinced that you and compound really are the same person.

Comment on my stuff, compound!
 

ourchair

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Compound is significantly more intelligent and perceptive than I am, and I'm just much more charming and good-looking.

The difference between us?

Well, whenever I take this serum...
 

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