Question about batman comics...

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I'm knid of new to the whole comic book culture... (I've been reading them four nearly a year now, and those were mostly marvel comics)
I just aquired a lot of batman comics, among which are the folowing titles:

Batman
Batman: Gotham Knights
Batman: Shadow of the Bat
Batman: Streets of Gotham
Batman: The Dark Knight
Batman and Robin
Batman and the Outsiders
Batman Chronicles
Batman Confidential
Batman Family
Batman Incorporated
Detective Comics
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight
Trinity

So, my question is: are all those titles conected by plot in any way, or can I read them one by one in order...
 
Welcome!

The answer...some of them, sort of.

I can mostly answer for Batman & Robin and Batman Incorporated. Batman Incorporated is the final chapter of Grant Morrison's Batman story (which is EXCELLENT by the way and deserves to be tracked down and read - I didn't notice any of the other parts of his story in your list). I would hold off on those.

And it's only certain issues of Batman & Robin...the first 16 if the first volume. Those 16 issues compose the middle part of Morrison's story. They also intertwine with a miniseries titled "Return of Bruce Wayne".

It's kind of confusing and there is a lot of discussion as to the proper reading order of Morrison's story, but if your Batman & Robin issues are written by him then hold off reading them because you'd literally be jumping in the middle of a long story.
 
Yes, thanks for the welcome, and for the answer...
I'll keep that in mind when I get to the Morrison...

I have another question now.
I've been looking for reading order of batman comics online, and found a pretty interesting site.
Basically it lists all of the canon batman stories chronologically by issue...
What confuses me is the title of the list: Batman - Post-Crisis...
What does Post-Crisis mean? Is it a big spoiler? Should I read pre crisis before?
 
I'm knid of new to the whole comic book culture... (I've been reading them four nearly a year now, and those were mostly marvel comics)
I just aquired a lot of batman comics, among which are the folowing titles:

Batman
Batman: Gotham Knights
Batman: Shadow of the Bat
Batman: Streets of Gotham
Batman: The Dark Knight
Batman and Robin
Batman and the Outsiders
Batman Chronicles
Batman Confidential
Batman Family
Batman Incorporated
Detective Comics
Batman: Legends of the Dark Knight
Trinity

So, my question is: are all those titles conected by plot in any way, or can I read them one by one in order...

Well... It's complicated. But we can isolate the ones that stand on their own. It sounds like a lot of the books are from very different eras, so they won't lead directly into one another anyway.

Batman Chronicles is a collection of reprints of old, old Batman comics, so you're looking at issues that were written somewhere between the 40's and 70's, so they should stand alone pretty well. Batman Family, I believe, is also a title from the 70's. Batman Confidential and Legends of the Dark Knight are both completely stand-alone. LotDK is all around pretty great and I think I heard Confidential is decent too. Trinity is a self-contained story about Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman, and Batman and the Outsiders is a team book about Batman and friends that usually didn't have much to do with crossover. I think Streets of Gotham, Gotham Knights, and Shadow of the Bat were intended to be stories more about his supporting cast, but I'm not sure. I'd guess that probably makes them decently accessible?

The rest are a tangled mess of continuity. Good luck with that.

As for "pre-Crisis/post-Crisis", "Crisis" is an event DC periodically does which more or less resets their universe. Characters get new origins and writers are free to play around with their history. The big one was in the eighties, and the only books that should be "pre-Crisis" on that account are Batman Family, Batman Chronicles, and particularly old issues of Detective or Batman. There was also a reboot a couple years ago that complicates things. A bunch of books were rebooted with new number ones, so depending on the edition Batman, Detective or Batman and Robin may take place before or after the reboot. The first of those two should be pretty to identify. If it's an issue of Batman or Detective that's numbered in double digits, it's a new one.
 
To clarify things further, there's pre-Crisis, in which there wasn't a very strong sense of continuity and the stories played loose and fast. Then there's post-Crisis, in which they used a big cataclysmic event to tighten up the sense of a shared universe. Batman got a new origin story and new background for himself and his supporting cast. Then there's the New 52, in which a lot of books got completely rebooted and all the books got renumbered, but Batman largely remained the same

Batman Chronicles and Batman Family will both be pre-Crisis. Any issue of Batman before 404 or Detective before Detective 574 is pre-Crisis. Any issue of Batman, Detective, Batman Inc. or Batman and Robin cover dated November 2011 or later is New 52. Everything else should fall into post-Crisis.

All Batman Inc. issues, Batman and Robin 1-16 (unless it's New 52) or Batman 655-683 are written by Morrison. The reading order isn't that difficult. Read his Batman, then his Batman and Robin, then his Batman Inc.

It's all rather complicated, isn't it?
 
Ok...
Thanks a lot!
I'm gonna have to read your posts a couple more times to sink it in, but i think i get it now.
So, i can read post-crisis in chronological order up to the flashpoint... (which, if I understood it well, ends the old DC universe and is followed by the NEW 52)
http://www.comicsbackissues.com/comic-book-reading-order/batman-reading-order/
This is the list...

And also, I'm looking for flash comics reading order (I guess also post crisis) But i can't seem to find it anywhere...
 
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Just to clarify and expand on Zombi's post - "pre/post-Crisis" refers to Crisis on Infinite Earths which was a series DC put out in the mid-80s that cleaned up or clarified all of the problems they had at that time with alternate Earths and the characters therein. I can't honestly say how it affected Batman because I don't really remember his role in CoIE and I haven't read any of his comics from that era, but immediately after it ended they "rebooted" Batman continuity with Batman: Year One (Batman #404-407) which was written by Frank Miller. Most (I believe) of the mainstream continuity stems from that origin.


I believe that several of the titles you listed aren't part of regular continuity which kind of muddles things up even more, but they are basically usually designed to fit anywhere in Batman canon.
 
And also, I'm looking for flash comics reading order (I guess also post crisis) But i can't seem to find it anywhere...

Understanding Flash is the key to understanding his whole thing. There have been 4 Flashes. The first Flash, Jay Garrick was from the Golden Age of comics.He's the one with the bowl on his head. He was created shortly after Superman and Batman in the 1930s when super hero comics first took off. But after a while, super hero comics went out of style and Flash, Green Lantern, and other superhero comics got cancelled. Only Batman and Superman really survived.

Then in the 50s, DC revamped many of their old heroes and we got the newer more familiar Green Lantern, Flash, etc and the Justice League. This new Flash was Barry Allen (the current Flash). He was Flash for a long time. And in the 60s, Barry's nephew Wally West became the Kid Flash and joined the Teen Titans. Also in the 60s, Barry was able to travel between dimensions and he met Jay Garrick, establishing the DC multiverse. All those old forgotten heroes lived in a different universe. They crossed over every once in a while in what DC called "crises."

Then in the 80s, DC decided their 50 year continuity had gotten too convoluted and they wanted to streamline it. They wrote Crises on infinite Earths which destroyed the multiverse and merged all the interesting characters from different universes into one universe. In the new continuity, the old heroes were now from the same world as the newer ones and were the older generation (this is THE crisis that the timeline you were looking at refers to). Also, in Crisis on Infinite Earths, Barry Allen dies saving everyone and Wally West takes up the mantle of the Flash. This crisis basically served to make Batman darker and to erase any of the old campy batman from the past. It also changed Jason Todd's story, the falling out between Batman and Dick Grayson, and Batman's early years significantly.

Wally was the Flash for a long time. If you want to read all the post-crisis Flash stuff, start with Flash vol 2 #1. There are stories in there explaining the new back story, so you won't really miss anything. In the 90s, it's established that before Barry died, he and his wife Iris went to the distant future and had kids. At some point, Barry's grandson Bart Allen comes back from the future and joins Wally as the hero Impulse. Jay and Joan Garrick raise him. There's an Impulse series that occasionally crosses over with Wally's series. Flash Volume 2 earn until issue 230 before the next crisis.

Then in the 2000s, there was a second major crisis called Infinite Crisis. It rebooted things again, but in a less drastic way. It basically recreated the multiverse with 52 worlds (not infinite like before). After this crisis all the DC books pick up one year later and at this time, Bart has become artificially aged and has taken over as the Flash. His series "Flash:The Fastest Man Alive" ran for 13 issues before he got de-aged and Wally came back. Wally's series continued where it left off with issue 231. There is a single issue called "All-Flash" that bridges the gap between the two series. I don't think infinite Crisis had a huge impact on a Batman's continuity.

A few years later came Final Crisis (which is important to Grant Morrison's Batman stuff). During this story Barry comes back to life. Following final Crisis there is a mini called Flash:Rebrith which deals with Barry's return to life. But it makes almost no sense if you haven't read all of Wally's stories. If you have read them, it's pretty incredible. Then Flash vol 3 went on for 12 issues with multiple flashes. But then Flashpoint reset everything once again, leading to Flash vol 4. I haven't read any Flash since Flashpoint, but last I heard Wally and Bart had been erased from continuity and Jay was once again from a separate universe.

Grant Morrison's Batman kind of throws a monkey wrench in the whole deal because it references old weird Batman stories that were supposedly erased from continuity by Crisis on Infinite Earths. But it does it really well, so it doesn't really matter. Flashpoint changes some details of Batman's history too. The new continuity is shorter than the old, with the heroes only having been around a few years. So Tim Drake (the third Robin) was never Robin in the post-Flashpoint continuity. I guess he was still around, but as Red Robin sort of doing his own thing maybe. I'm sure there are plenty of other differences, but I'm more of a Marvel guy myself. Most of the DC stuff I enjoyed (Flash, older Teen Titans) got completely changed/erased after Flashpoint so I gave up on DC altogether.

Hope that helps!
 
But the thing about Flash is, there's only one book, for the most part, so you should be able to more or less read it straight through without worrying about crossover.
 

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