Toho Kaiju Multiverse - Timelines

[Pro Bot]

So the Original King Kong Movie Universe is the Original Planet of the Apes Universe and the Kong of Skull Island Universe contains a local Tarzan (the original novels one?)?
Monkeyverse confirmed

Possibly. The comics have direct flashbacks to the movie in black and white, so it appears to be the film universe version of the events of the books. Don't know how Skull Island survived Son of Kong though.

 

[Jozaca]

This titles are so distinctive...

Kong: King of Skull Island
King Kong: The Island of the Skull
King Kong of Skull Island
Kong of Skull Island
Kong: Skull Island
Kong: King of Skull Island

It is like "I challenge you to find the pair that are really the same"

 

[Jozaca]

Recreation by Peter Jackson:

Oh, now I get it!
On Spain's Amazon Prime Video there are 3 versions of King Kong (1933) with different lenghts. Only 2 of them are avalible with the basic suscription and the other one is on a channel. I was so confused since I tought that maybe the difference was on the end credits and maybe one had the dub actors listed and the other not or had the distribution company listed or something like that. But then I tested and the end credits already start at diferent points and the opening credits are the same, so I was confused about the diference between the two cuts. Now I realice that the version that I saw had already the Lost Spider Pit Sequence inserted. From that mess of version I got the 30 chapters listed in the timeline for King Kong (1933). I was planning of buying it in DVD at some point to see if the chapter titles are more "normal" there.

 

[Pro Bot]

Oh, now I get it!
On Spain's Amazon Prime Video there are 3 versions of King Kong (1933) with different lenghts. Only 2 of them are avalible with the basic suscription and the other one is on a channel. I was so confused since I tought that maybe the difference was on the end credits and maybe one had the dub actors listed and the other not or had the distribution company listed or something like that. But then I tested and the end credits already start at diferent points and the opening credits are the same, so I was confused about the diference between the two cuts. Now I realice that the version that I saw had already the Lost Spider Pit Sequence inserted. From that mess of version I got the 30 chapters listed in the timeline for King Kong (1933). I was planning of buying it in DVD at some point to see if the chapter titles are more "normal" there.

Wait, they actually inserted the Peter Jackson 2005 recreation of the lost deleted scene into the film? That's awesome if true.

 

[Jozaca]

Wait, they actually inserted the Peter Jackson 2005 recreation of the lost deleted scene into the film? That's awesome if true.

Well, it is true, I am not making it up. Sadly I checked it up and seems that I don't have evidence right now to support my claim, since there is now only two King Kong (1933) releases on Prime Video right now and both are 1:36:00 in length, not the 1:44:00 that I have recorded in this timeline (Funnily one has a classification of +7 and the other one of +13). I can't check right now if they have the scene since I am not subscribed to Prime Video right now.

 

[Pro Bot]

Working on Godzilla (1954) timecodes. There's a very specific August 13th date at the start, so that's helpful.

By the way, the Criterion collection has the American version of King Kong vs. Godzilla as the main cut and the Japanese version as an extra in the 8th disc, oddly. I imagine we're going with the Japanese version as canon for obvious reasons.

MonsterVerse (Showa) Timeline
1945
????
Frankenstein vs. Baragon (Flashback)

August 6
Frankenstein vs. Baragon (Flashback)

1954
August 13
Godzilla Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:04:41)
Godzilla Chapter 2 (0:04:42 - 0:06:36)

August 14
Godzilla Chapter 2 (0:06:37 - 0:08:24)
Godzilla Chapter 3 (0:08:25 - 0:10:25)

August
Godzilla Chapter 4 (0:10:26 - 0:15:09)
Godzilla Chapter 5 (0:15:10 - 0:17:16)
Godzilla Chapter 6 (0:17:17 - 0:21:15)
Godzilla Chapter 7 (0:21:16 - 0:23:34)
Godzilla Chapter 8 (0:23:35 - 0:28:24)
Godzilla Chapter 9 (0:28:25 - 0:32:03)
Godzilla Chapter 10 (0:23:04 - 0:33:16)
Godzilla Chapter 11 (0:33:17 - 0:37:17)
Godzilla Chapter 12 (0:37:18 - 0:42:06)
Godzilla Chapter 19 (1:12:05 - 1:15:24)
Godzilla Chapter 12 (0:42:07 - 0:42:35)
Godzilla Chapter 13 (0:42:36 - 0:48:14)
Godzilla Chapter 14 (0:48:15 - 0:54:11)
Godzilla Chapter 15 (0:54:12 - 1:00:01)
Godzilla Chapter 16 (1:00:02 - 1:06:19)
Godzilla Chapter 17 (1:06:20 - 1:09:27)
Godzilla Chapter 18 (1:09:40 - 1:11:17)
Godzilla Chapter 19 (1:11:18 - 1:12:04)
Godzilla Chapter 19 (1:15:25 - 1:15:51)
Godzilla Chapter 20 (1:15:52 - 1:21:00)
Godzilla Chapter 21 (1:21:01 - 1:24:57)
Godzilla Chapter 22 (1:24:58 - 1:28:20)
Godzilla Chapter 23 (1:28:21 - 1:36:34)

1955
January 19
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:08:15)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 2 (0:08:16 - 0:10:33)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 3 (0:10:34 - 0:18:09)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 4 (0:18:10 - 0:19:31)

January 20
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 4 (0:19:32 - 0:21:39)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 5 (0:21:40 - 0:22:30)

January 23
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 5 (0:22:31 - 0:24:55)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 6 (0:24:56 - 0:31:00)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 7 (0:31:01 - 0:35:54)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 8 (0:35:55 - 0:40:29)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 9 (0:40:30 - 0:47:06)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 10 (0:47:07 - 0:47:46)

January 24
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 10 (0:47:47 - 0:50:59)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 11 (0:51:00 - 0:55:17)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 12 (0:55:18 - 0:59:52)

January 25
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 13 (0:59:53 - 1:05:13)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 14 (1:05:14 - 1:08:38)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 15 (1:08:39 - 1:11:41)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 16 (1:11:42 - 1:14:47)
Godzilla Raids Again Chapter 17 (1:14:48 - 1:21:55)

Reasoning:
Newspaper dates
30 - 1 - 20 (January 20, 1955)
30 - 1 - 23 (January 23, 1955)

 

[Jozaca]

By the way, the Criterion collection has the American version of King Kong vs. Godzilla as the main cut and the Japanese version as an extra in the 8th disc, oddly. I imagine we're going with the Japanese version as canon for obvious reasons.

It is the Japanese version dubbed? If it is not dubbed it may be because they don't want to put a movie with only subtitles and no English in the main discs.

 

[Pro Bot]

It is the Japanese version dubbed? If it is not dubbed it may be because they don't want to put a movie with only subtitles and no English in the main discs.

Only six movies have dubs anyway. Most are just subbed, which... I don't mind, that's more authentic for me.

 

[Jozaca]

1954
August 13
Godzilla Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:04:41)
Godzilla Chapter 2 (0:04:42 - 0:06:36)

August 14
Godzilla Chapter 2 (0:06:37 - 0:08:24)
Godzilla Chapter 3 (0:08:25 - 0:10:25)

August 15
Godzilla Chapter 4 (0:10:26 - 0:15:09)

August 16
Godzilla Chapter 5 (0:15:10 - 0:17:16)
Godzilla Chapter 6 (0:17:17 - 0:21:15)
Godzilla Chapter 7 (0:21:16 - 0:23:34)
Godzilla Chapter 8 (0:23:35 - 0:28:24)

August 17
Godzilla Chapter 9 (0:28:25 - 0:32:03)
Godzilla Chapter 10 (0:23:04 - 0:33:14)

August 18
Godzilla Chapter 10 (0:33:15 - 0:33:16)
Godzilla Chapter 11 (0:33:17 - 0:37:17)

August 19
Godzilla Chapter 12 (0:37:18 - 0:42:06)
Godzilla Chapter 19 (1:12:05 - 1:15:24)
Godzilla Chapter 12 (0:42:07 - 0:42:35)
Godzilla Chapter 13 (0:42:36 - 0:48:14)

August 20
Godzilla Chapter 14 (0:48:15 - 0:54:11)
Godzilla Chapter 15 (0:54:12 - 1:00:01)
Godzilla Chapter 16 (1:00:02 - 1:06:19)
Godzilla Chapter 17 (1:06:20 - 1:09:27)
Godzilla Chapter 18 (1:09:28 - 1:09:39)

August 21
Godzilla Chapter 18 (1:09:40 - 1:11:17)
Godzilla Chapter 19 (1:11:18 - 1:12:04)
Godzilla Chapter 19 (1:15:25 - 1:15:51)
Godzilla Chapter 20 (1:15:52 - 1:21:00)
Godzilla Chapter 21 (1:21:01 - 1:24:57)

August 22
Godzilla Chapter 22 (1:24:58 - 1:28:20)
Godzilla Chapter 23 (1:28:21 - 1:36:34)

Is it finished? (I have been lurking and reloading the page every 3 minutes in the last 30 minutes to see how you were doing the timeline)

 

[Pro Bot]

It is now.

 

[Pro Bot]

Toho listed Godzilla vs. Megaguirus as part of the same continuity as the original, but obviously Godzilla dies in the original while he survives in the GvM timeline. I just assume that in that timeline, Emiko never told Hideo about the Oxygen Destroyer.

With the Kiryu timeline, I just assume Godzilla's skeleton was taken by the ocean's current rather than disintegrated since that timeline continues from the original. It's an acceptable retcon.

 

[Pro Bot]

I'm going to wait for my copies of Rodan, Varan, and Frankenstein vs. Baragon to come before attempting anything after Mothra. By the way, I am absolutely rubbish at Japanese days and months. I can't tell the difference, but I'll try.

 

[Jozaca]

Toho listed Godzilla vs. Megaguirus as part of the same continuity as the original, but obviously Godzilla dies in the original while he survives in the GvM timeline. I just assume that in that timeline, Emiko never told Hideo about the Oxygen Destroyer.

With the Kiryu timeline, I just assume Godzilla's skeleton was taken by the ocean's current rather than disintegrated since that timeline continues from the original. It's an acceptable retcon.

I just heard that there is like a shot that is slightly edited when a flashback to Godzilla's death is shown that shows the skeleton remaining or something (I haven't seen the movie). It that is true I could just put the flashback in the part of the movie that it "replaces" and just put Godzilla (1954) in the viewing order.

 

[Jozaca]

I like to separate days when they are clearly not the same, even if there is not date given. Just in case that there is a microscopical chance that some future work some day would reveal more about the date, so it would be easier to edit all at once.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://www.tohokingdom.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26786https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Shinichi_ChujoIs The Gransazers canon to the Kiryu series? Weird.

 

[Pro Bot]

https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Category:Ultra_Star_God_SeriesDamn. Probably best to ignore it for now since there's lots of Toho Kaiju timelines. It's another variant of the Toho universe I guess.

 

[Pro Bot]

I like to separate days when they are clearly not the same, even if there is not date given. Just in case that there is a microscopical chance that some future work some day would reveal more about the date, so it would be easier to edit all at once.

I personally don't like to do this because I think it looks a little messy, but alright. Here's my take on the King of the Monsters! film. The order of events are very different to the original, so certainly a different continuity rather than a sidestory like some people theorise. Honestly kinda a bastardization

Fun fact, the Earth-616 Godzilla first attacked in 1956 (King of the Monsters! release date) and was trapped in ice (Raids Again). Obviously neither are completely canon to Marvel though - plus, Raids was a different Godzilla anyway.

1956
????
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 2 (0:05:12 - 0:06:39)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 3 (0:06:40 - 0:09:25)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 4 (0:09:26 - 0:10:52)

???? (The Next Day)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 4 (0:10:53 - 0:11:52)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 5 (0:11:53 - 0:14:03)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 6 (0:14:04 - 0:15:37)

???? (The Next Day)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 6 (0:15:38 - 0:18:19)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 7 (0:18:20 - 0:21:28)

???? (The Next Day)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 8 (0:21:29 - 0:25:18)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 9 (0:25:19 - 0:30:06)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 10 (0:30:07 - 0:32:08)
???? (The Next Day)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 11 (0:32:09 - 0:33:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 12 (0:33:58 - 0:36:33)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:02:58 - 1:04:24)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 12 (0:36:34 - 0:37:40)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 13 (0:37:41 - 0:40:28)

???? (The Next Day)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 13 (0:40:29 - 0:41:20)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 14 (0:41:21 - 0:45:41)

???? (The Next Day)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 15 (0:45:42 - 0:48:27)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 16 (0:48:28 - 0:53:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 17 (0:53:58 - 0:59:09)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 18 (0:59:10 - 1:01:24)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 1 (0:00:00 - 0:02:30)
???? (The Next Day)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 1 (0:02:31 - 0:05:11)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:01:25 - 1:02:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:02:58 - 1:04:24) (Audio Only)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 19 (1:04:25 - 1:04:57)
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 20 (1:04:58 - 1:11:07)

????
Godzilla, King of the Monsters! Chapter 21 (1:11:08 - 1:19:21)

King Kong Escapes
Canon to
-Godzilla Shōwa Era Universe
-Godzilla Kiryu Series Universe
Release Date
-1967/07/22
Placement Notes
-
Other Notes
-It seems more like a reboot of King Kong (based in The King Kong Show) that doesn't seem to fit so nicely in the continuity, but the wiki says that Godzilla Encyclopedia [New Edition] places it in the Shōwa Universe.

The Gorosaurus appears in Destroy All Monsters after appearing in King Kong Escapes. King Kong is likely a smaller member of the same species that the version from King Kong vs. Godzilla was. The Gorosaurus also appeared in Go! Godman (as did the Kamoebas from Space Amoeba) but apparently that show isn't canon to anything else because they were just reusing the suits for it or something.

Toho is just weirdly selective for what "counts" as canon I guess.

 

[Jozaca]

The Gorosaurus appears in Destroy All Monsters after appearing in King Kong Escapes. King Kong is likely a smaller member of the same species that the version from King Kong vs. Godzilla was. The Gorosaurous also appeared in Go! Godman (as did the Kamoebas from Space Amoeba) but apparently that show isn't canon to anything else because they were just reusing the suits for it or something.

Toho is just weirdly selective for what "counts" as canon I guess.

Yes, Minilla also appears as a monster created by the villain that is destroyed or something in Go! Greenman
https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Go!_GreenmanSeems that lots of things that are canon to the Kyriu series or to Destroy All Monters are just "the character originated in that movie, so must be canon" (but strangely doesn't seem to apply to Godzilla Final Wars).

 

[Pro Bot]

Do you want to continue this thread? Since I am not so interested in King Kong/Godzilla right now, I haven't really watched most of the movies yet and I am honestly not planning of spending around 180€ on the Criterion Collection on the foreseeable future.

Would you mind if I make a Showa thread myself and you can add it to this timeline afterwards? I'll add the breakdown of days for you as well so that it's consistent.

 

[Jozaca]

Would you mind if I make a Showa thread myself and you can add it to this timeline afterwards? I'll add the breakdown of days for you as well so that it's consistent.

If you do that, just do it as you usually do, I would just put a link to it as I have done with Megatron's Monsterverse Timeline

 

[Pro Bot]

Alright, but some films take place in two timelines is all. I don't mind doing those both ways to make it easier for you.

 

[Jozaca]

If you do that, just do it as you usually do, I would just put a link to it as I have done with Megatron's Monsterverse Timeline

Or I could copy the Monsterverse Timeline here and just transform this into a Multiverse Timeline and/or some short of Timeline Hub of Toho/King Kong Timelines

 

[Pro Bot]

I just realised something about the Heisei series.

Heisei Universe
Timeline 1
1954 - Godzilla
1984 - The Return of Godzilla
1989 - Godzilla vs. Biollante
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (Start)

Timeline 2
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora

Timeline 3
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (End)
1993 - Godzilla vs. Mothra
1994 - Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
1995 - Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
1996 - Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
2019 - G vs. G
2022 - Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
2023 - Godzilla vs. Megalon

So, technically the viewing order is:
Godzilla
The Return of Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Biollante
The Mysterians
Battle in Outer Space
Godzilla vs. King Ghidora
Godzilla vs. Mothra
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
G vs. G
Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
Godzilla vs. Megalon

 

[Jozaca]

I just realised something about the Heisei series.

Heisei Universe
Timeline 1
1954 - Godzilla
1984 - The Return of Godzilla
1989 - Godzilla vs. Biollante
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (Start)

Timeline 2
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora

Timeline 3
1957 - The Mysterians
1965 - Battle in Outer Space
1992 - Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (End)
1993 - Godzilla vs. Mothra
1994 - Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
1995 - Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
1996 - Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
2019 - G vs. G
2022 - Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
2023 - Godzilla vs. Megalon

So, technically the viewing order is:
Godzilla
The Return of Godzilla
Godzilla vs. Biollante
The Mysterians
Battle in Outer Space
Godzilla vs. King Ghidora
Godzilla vs. Mothra
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
G vs. G
Godzilla vs. Gigan Rex
Godzilla vs. Megalon

I haven't seen the movie. I know there is time travel to the past and future. Does the movie imply that the events of the Mysterians only happened after the time travel?

 

[Pro Bot]

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla features MOGUERA, which was built from records of the 1957 Moguera according to Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla Super Complete Works, and since that movie takes place in an altered timeline, that technically means that the events of The Mysterians was created due to time travel in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

However, there's also the theory that there are no alternate timelines and it's a closed loop. It's kinda interesting because the events of the first three films still "happen", but the film makes it out to be three timelines so my take is that it is similar events from those films.

 

[Jozaca]

Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla features MOGUERA, which was built from records of the 1957 Moguera according to Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla Super Complete Works, and since that movie takes place in an altered timeline, that technically means that the events of The Mysterians was created due to time travel in Godzilla vs. King Ghidorah.

However, there's also the theory that there are no alternate timelines and it's a closed loop. It's kinda interesting because the events of the first three films still "happen", but the film makes it out to be three timelines so my take is that it is similar events from those films.

And cannot be that the events of The Mysterians happen in both timelines? After all they are alien invaders, so their appearance is not related to events on Earth, right? Or maybe they arrive with Moguera in both timelines but only in one the events of The Mysterians happen as we saw them.

Another question, considering that you seem very objective about this (like when you said that Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956) can't be a side story to Godzilla (1954)): I know it is not canon, but, there some possibility that the theory that says that the movie starts in the Showa Timeline and the Hensei Universe is created because the time travel is plausible? Or there is anything before the time travel that places it firmly in the Hensei Universe?

 

[Pro Bot]

And cannot be that the events of The Mysterians happen in both timelines? After all they are alien invaders, so their appearance is not related to events on Earth, right? Or maybe they arrive with Moguera in both timelines but only in one the events of The Mysterians happen as we saw them.

That's not how time travel works. If it branches, everything is different even if there's similar events. We can only prove that The Mysterians happened after GvKG, not before.

Another question, considering that you seem very objective about this (like when you said that Godzilla, King of the Monsters! (1956) can't be a side story to Godzilla (1954)): I know it is not canon, but, there some possibility that the theory that says that the movie starts in the Showa Timeline and the Hensei Universe is created because the time travel is plausible? Or there is anything before the time travel that places it firmly in the Hensei Universe?

Nope. Absolutely impossible. The before parts are already linked to the first three films.

 

[Pro Bot]

You could always go with the closed loop theory too. That's quite common.

 

[user 16960]

https://wikizilla.org/wiki/King_Kong_of_Skull_Island_(property)Expanded universe of King Kong possibly.

This could be completely wrong, but I think I got it.

King Kong (1933) Universe
???? - Kong of Skull Island #1-12
???? - Kong of Skull Island 2018 Special #1
???? - Skull Island: Rise of Kong
1912 - Kong: Gods of Skull Island #1
1917 - Kong: The Great War #1-6
1933 - King Kong (1933)
1933 - King Kong: The Lost Spider Pit Sequence
1933 - Son of Kong
1933 - Kong: King of Skull Island #0
1958 - Kong: King of Skull Island #1-6
2955 - Kong on the Planet of the Apes #1-6

Recreation by Peter Jackson:


Kong of Skull Island Universe
???? - King Kong of Skull Island
1933 - Merian C. Cooper's King Kong
1833 - King Kong vs. Tarzan (set during King Kong)
1933 - Doc Savage: Skull Island
1958 - Kong: King of Skull Island

I'm kinda interested in timelining this reality eventually (Kinda have to since I'm doing Planet of the Apes), I'm pretty sure Son of Kong isn't canon to the Kong of Skull Island universe and that's why it's still around in the POTA crossover and stuff. Everything else on this list is the same universe not separate, with the comic adaptations just being adaptations of the novels.

 

[user 16960]

Kong continuities in general are pretty interesting with expanded media. I know the Peter Jackson reality has like, an in-universe documentary on the Blu-ray. It shows what happened to Kong's body after the film and mentions the expeditions made to the island after the events of the film (which are also mentioned in a resource book about the movie so there's some neat cross continuity there) and then explains the island sunk a few years later (although a found footage style webseries tie in I forgot the name of apparently retconned that it didn't actually sink and was a cover up or something)